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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:47:00 -
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In FOUR EASY STEPS!
1) get a disposable alt via a second account or a demo account in a second machine. 2) fly him to your mining ship 3) have him shoot your mining ship 4) Concord spawns and will now stick around as your personal mining op suicide ganking defense fleet. This certainly beats CONCORD's regular response time. (5) (Optional) After your alt's timer goes away, repeat as needed.
Just a little suggestion. Maybe this will cut down on the number of whine threads?
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Mister Cuddles
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:54:00 -
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I can swear i've seen at least four threads using this "idea" today. CCP classifies it as an exploit, because CONCORD stays in the belt for far longer than needed.
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:58:00 -
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really? I've suicide ganked people in front of concord like that before and the last I checked they sit around for 10-30 seconds before firing anyways. _______________
CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears. |
Biatchyka
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:02:00 -
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Doesn't that Concord spawn simply ignore the new threat and a new spawn appears?
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:03:00 -
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Does this work?
I seem to remember from when I was in the Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective that there was a separate CONCORD spawn for each person involved in the gank and that once the spawn had done its work it just sat there looking pretty till its time to despawn was up and did not get involved with killing the other members of the gang.
But that was some time ago, so maybe it has been changed.
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Cuis1nart
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Khrillian In FOUR EASY STEPS!
1) get a disposable alt via a second account or a demo account in a second machine. 2) fly him to your mining ship 3) have him shoot your mining ship 4) Concord spawns and will now stick around as your personal mining op suicide ganking defense fleet. This certainly beats CONCORD's regular response time. (5) (Optional) After your alt's timer goes away, repeat as needed.
Just a little suggestion. Maybe this will cut down on the number of whine threads?
What do you do when the alt's security status goes below -2?
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cuis1nart
Originally by: Khrillian In FOUR EASY STEPS!
1) get a disposable alt via a second account or a demo account in a second machine. 2) fly him to your mining ship 3) have him shoot your mining ship 4) Concord spawns and will now stick around as your personal mining op suicide ganking defense fleet. This certainly beats CONCORD's regular response time. (5) (Optional) After your alt's timer goes away, repeat as needed.
Just a little suggestion. Maybe this will cut down on the number of whine threads?
What do you do when the alt's security status goes below -2?
You graduate and mine in a .9
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Kinkie Yuuki
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Posted - 2008.07.10 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kinkie Yuuki on 10/07/2008 03:22:35
Quote:
3) have him shoot your mining ship
[jenny] gank meslef so ohtre gnaker cant? llo genyus! [/jenny]
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.10 04:27:00 -
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Way to create lag, hope you get petitioned.
And the Concord you spawned will simply ignore any threat and you'll still have to wait the usual time. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.10 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Cuddles I can swear i've seen at least four threads using this "idea" today. CCP classifies it as an exploit, because CONCORD stays in the belt for far longer than needed.
Link or it didn't happen
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MenanceWhite
Amarr Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 06:25:00 -
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I was pretty sure that was classified as an exploit too, but I remember someone else posting an official responce at some time that it was'nt.
Anyone unsure can just petition to ask about it. ---
Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.10 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cuis1nart
Originally by: Khrillian In FOUR EASY STEPS!
1) get a disposable alt via a second account or a demo account in a second machine. 2) fly him to your mining ship 3) have him shoot your mining ship 4) Concord spawns and will now stick around as your personal mining op suicide ganking defense fleet. This certainly beats CONCORD's regular response time. (5) (Optional) After your alt's timer goes away, repeat as needed.
Just a little suggestion. Maybe this will cut down on the number of whine threads?
What do you do when the alt's security status goes below -2?
You have to shoot a LOT of cans to do this.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Viqtoria
Caldari Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 07:33:00 -
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An old concord spawn will instantly gank anyone getting a GCC timer infront of them. And yes, it works.
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:27:00 -
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Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
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jam6549
Amarr Via Crucis
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
MAN HE JUST BROKE DOWN SOME PURE PWNAGE. ARE YOU GONNA TAKE THAT? ARE YOU?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria An old concord spawn will instantly gank anyone getting a GCC timer infront of them. And yes, it works.
I've offended repeatedly with concord watching and they didnt intervene. A new spawn appears for every agressor.
I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them. |
oniplE
Loving Pirates
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
So basicly using this tactic is not an exploit as long as you face the consequences. Makes me wonder how you're going to uphold this rule, seems like a lot of work to keep an eye on ALL -2 characters that are deleted. x |
Carniflex
Caldari liquids and aqueous solutions
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
This means that you are not supposed to delete alts with negative security. As I read it I understand, that as long as you are not recykling your alt you are free to do it ?
What about trial accounts ? One does not need to delete anything there. It would need ofc second computer to do that this way, but it's not that rare to see 2 computers in same house.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous Way to create lag, hope you get petitioned.
this
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The mineral/moonstuff balance || *THE* nanofix
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Tzigan Jegos
Dirty Gypsies Trading Co.
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
`noobALT -10` has -10 security status `noobALT 0` has 0 security status
noobALT 0 flies a noobship to the belt, where noobALT -10 (who waits there in a pod) boards it. noobALT -10 shoots MAIN. No recylcing needed. Concord does not shoot pods.
The dog that trots about finds a bone. - Gypsy proverb |
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BritishInvader
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:19:00 -
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You shouldn't need to do this anyway. It's not like there are any goons anyway.
-----+----- Mail : BritishInvader for signature orders.
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Lo3d3R
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:36:00 -
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If your char gets below -2, just make an insta undock, then warp to belt from there (and yes it still works ok, after the undocking angle changes).
9 out of 10 times you can still attack someone in the belt to get Concord there, so there is no reason to recycle alts (wich is not allowed!).
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Magmain
Caldari Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Khrillian In FOUR EASY STEPS!
1) get a disposable alt via a second account or a demo account in a second machine. 2) fly him to your mining ship 3) have him shoot your mining ship 4) Concord spawns and will now stick around as your personal mining op suicide ganking defense fleet. This certainly beats CONCORD's regular response time. (5) (Optional) After your alt's timer goes away, repeat as needed.
Just a little suggestion. Maybe this will cut down on the number of whine threads?
Nice one... You forget that in high-sec not many people really care to gank you, they just want your ore. CCP won't do anything about that if it occurs.
Do It how I do it, get a nice shield mod (pithi b-type) and have a warp scram fitted with t2 medium drones... cake.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
What if they don't use a disposable alt, but instead train an alt up a little bit and whenever the security status starts of the alt gets a little low from that "procedure" they jump clone it out to somewhere in 0.0 to rat and recover their security rating that way - then, they can just jump clone it back to Empire space and repeat the process as is needed.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 10/07/2008 11:32:51
Originally by: CCP Atropos Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
Please explain this reply then:
Quote: Please note that we only consider deleting characters as an exploit when the following two factors are met: 1) The character was created for suicide ganking only. 2) The player did the trick for repeated times after being confirmed in his account logs.
That was from a question about firing on your can with an alt, in a belt, to spam Concord.
BTW: I would have like not to post this section of the reply, but there is not a ID number for the petition to cite for you to check it.
Originally by: Mister Cuddles I can swear i've seen at least four threads using this "idea" today. CCP classifies it as an exploit, because CONCORD stays in the belt for far longer than needed.
I fin extremly fastidious having a reply saying that it is allowed and then getting a CCP Atropos saying a different thing.
Please CCP set those rules in stone at least for your employees.
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:42:00 -
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How does my reply differ from that you quoted?
The reasoning is that you're deliberately using free ships (noob frigates) and alts to bypass the risk and penalties incurred by angering CONCORD. The incurred penalties are ignored since there's no financial loss, and no meaningful security loss, since you would delete the character afterwards.
Of course, if you're willing to live with these penalties, and don't delete the offending character, then there's no problem, since it is working as intended (you lose your ship, become criminally flagged, and incur a security hit). Although no one will really like you since you're spawning CONCORD to cover your own money making schemes
How about getting some players to help you mine in safety?
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Alexios Komnenos
Minmatar Byzantine Holding Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
If that's the case, then why isn't using "disposable" ships then recovering the cost via insurance payouts by design when losing the ship ON PURPOSE to CONCORD not an equal exploit?
Sorry, not buying what you are selling.
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sg3s
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos stuff
How about getting some players to help you mine in safety?
No such think as safety in high sec.
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alexios Komnenos
Originally by: CCP Atropos Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
If that's the case, then why isn't using "disposable" ships then recovering the cost via insurance payouts by design when losing the ship ON PURPOSE to CONCORD not an equal exploit?
Sorry, not buying what you are selling.
Fair enough. I'll request that a GM post here and they can reiterate what I've been saying.
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Furb Killer
Gallente USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:12:00 -
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Because they still get the security penalty.
However @ ccp, telling to get players to protect your mining op in high sec is a joke, right? What are they supposed to do vs suicide gankers? Only thing that would work is having a logistics ship in same belt as you are mining all the time. Then it would be handier to mine in low sec, then at least you can kill attackers before they destroyed the mining ship.
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