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Il'yar Corpae	Posted - 2008.07.11 15:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Il''yar Corpae on 11/07/2008 15:52:27 Edited by: Il''yar Corpae on 11/07/2008 15:52:01 well, i¦m looking into a lot of fleet fights in the future (MAX anyone?), so i wondered which ship has the best cost-value ratio for fleet warfare in 0.0 space. my goal is to get the most out of my ISK for the war in front of our doorstep :( thanks in advance :)
Rexthor Hammerfists Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.07.11 15:52:00 - [2] blackbird, eris flycatcher heretic -
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.11 15:54:00 - [3] Anything that can be fully insured, to be honest. Raven, MegaT, Apoc, ...Tempest? If you don't t2 fit it (grumble), the total loss after insurance is extremely low. However, you will need the initial isk to buy and insure it, obviously. If you're really low on isk? Use cheap interceptors or dictors. Lag isn't very friendly to them in a big fight... My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day
Caffeine Junkie 2 Guys In Motherships	Posted - 2008.07.11 15:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists blackbird, eris flycatcher heretic /this. I don't think i've even been in a fleet and heard the FC say "It's ok, we don't need anymore dictors." There are many places in this game where battles are fought and won, EFT isn't one of them.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists blackbird, eris flycatcher heretic /this. I don't think i've even been in a fleet and heard the FC say "It's ok, we don't need anymore dictors." Covopos, because I've never seen a fleet that didn't want more scouts. :) -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Liang Nuren Covopos, because I've never seen a fleet that didn't want more scouts. :) -Liang But, you can't see these ships at all! My favorite part was the skill remark. That made my day
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:09:00 - [7] Any Tech II spider-tanking, sniper-fitted Megathron, Tempest or Apoc will provide excellent long-range firepower, at a reasonable cost, for your fleet. A Scorpion, Blackbird, Falcon or other Caldari electronic warfare ship provides excellent support. Falcon's shouldn't die, and if the others die, you can make money on the insurance. Dictors are fairly cheap and provide an invaluable role for any fleet. Logistics are awesome and should not die that often if used properly. As an FC in a long range fleet battle, I don't really want to see BCs, missile boats or Drone Ships. They are still excellent at holding a gate while your capital fleet destroys POSes. At the end of the day, any ship is better than nothing. A T1 frig that holds a point on the primary long enough to kill it, is worth every penny. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:16:00 - [8] Battleships are your bread and butter ships to feed the fleet meat grinder. After insurance they don't really cost any more to lose than a ceptor or dictor. Heck if you ghetto fit it, some will only cost you a few mil to lose. Dictors are also cheap, vital, and can be surprisingly survivable with a cloak and a speed fit. Blackbirds are also good for newer players. You can affordably fit them to reach fleet ranges and jam from 190+ falcon style.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Gimpb Blackbirds are also good for newer players. You can affordably fit them to reach fleet ranges and jam from 190+ falcon style. You know something I don't. Care to share setup? -- Coming to you, Assault Ships fix, by the people saying that the Gallente Recons are fine.
Valandril Caldari Exiled. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Gimpb Blackbirds are also good for newer players. You can affordably fit them to reach fleet ranges and jam from 190+ falcon style. You know something I don't. Care to share setup? Lows: 2xdevhax blackbird range module. ---
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:29:00 - [11] Geddon, only 60 some odd mil and full insurable. Also does considerable dps.
ZW Dewitt	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:46:00 - [12] Noob ships are free. Also add Scorpion to the list.
Zareah	Posted - 2008.07.11 17:54:00 - [13] Blackbirds are uber cheap and great for value. With something like: -Whatever you like in highs:small launchers arent a bad idea to fry the inties/frigs that try to kill you. -4x Racial jam -2x Sensor booster (target range) -1x Damage control II -1x 800mm plate Rigs:3x projector rig You get something stupid like 250km range with good skills, still around 150-200km with some OK skills and the rigs are quite cheap (5m each or so, even less if you make them yourself). Jamming is always welcomed in fleets and even better if you can longrange jam: if you're with a sniper fleet there's a low chance you'll be primaried.
Gimpb	Posted - 2008.07.11 18:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: Gimpb Blackbirds are also good for newer players. You can affordably fit them to reach fleet ranges and jam from 190+ falcon style. You know something I don't. Care to share setup? Lows: 2xdevhax blackbird range module. Looks like zareah has it covered.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.11 19:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Il'yar Corpae Edited by: Il''yar Corpae on 11/07/2008 16:22:11 Edited by: Il''yar Corpae on 11/07/2008 16:21:59 Edited by: Il''yar Corpae on 11/07/2008 15:52:27 Edited by: Il''yar Corpae on 11/07/2008 15:52:01 well, i¦m looking into a lot of fleet fights in the future (MAX anyone?), so i wondered which ship has the best cost-value ratio for fleet warfare in 0.0 space. my goal is to get the most out of my ISK for the war in front of our doorstep :( thanks in advance :) Summary: Ships: Sniper-BS Dictor CovertOps Blackbird Insured Sniper BS and blackbird.
Firkragg Blue Labs Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.11 19:34:00 - [16] Originally by: ZW Dewitt Noob ships are free. Also add Scorpion to the list. this is a useful cheap option but you are increasing your chance of dying by a fair margin by buying one
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:05:00 - [17] Originally by: goodby4u Geddon, only 60 some odd mil and full insurable. Also does considerable dps. this is the correct answer ---- GO BLUE!!
Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:12:00 - [18] Originally by: ZW Dewitt Noob ships are free. Also add Scorpion to the list. This, noob ships are free, so therefore their cost:value ratio is a number so high it can't exist.
Mozohl Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:14:00 - [19] A Armageddon comes to mind, it's a beast for its cost.
Cautet Precision Engineering	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:26:00 - [20] Edited by: Cautet on 11/07/2008 20:29:55 Originally by: Karanth Originally by: ZW Dewitt Noob ships are free. Also add Scorpion to the list. This, noob ships are free, so therefore their cost:value ratio is a number so high it can't exist. \ 0/0 = 1 . Hmm, actually 0/10 = 0 because you have to count podeath in when flying in fleet fights in something that will only get shot if its worth grabbing the pod. bb v scorp. It's difficult but scorp is a better ship for fleet action, and the cost of losing is no more really than a bb. Especially if you are going to rig the BB. Yes they die alot but in a cost effective way. The main reason scorp is better though is that you look better going to fight in a scorpion than in a bb. It shows you have big round steel ones. Insured sniper bs: the kings of cost effective fleet pvp. apoc, pest, mega the kings, then rokh maelstron and geddon (cost of rokh & maelstrom, cap of geddon) dictors: well they do die alot in fleet action, but often you can scrounge one for free.
Joe Starbreaker AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Originally by: goodby4u Geddon, only 60 some odd mil and full insurable. Also does considerable dps. this is the correct answer Sixty million? Try sixteen million. I can't remember the figures I had worked out on the back of an envelope, but my first geddon, fully fit, cost 82M including all modules and insurance, with an insurance payout of 66M. That ship cost me 16M to replace. And if you keep your eye open, you can find even better deals on this and other battleships.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.11 20:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Cautet 0/0 = 1 NO. 0/0 is undefined. lim (x->0) of x/x = 1 -Liang -- The Universe has a really good firewall. Why else do you think nobody has hacked the Universe yet?
Cautet Precision Engineering	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:03:00 - [23] Let me rephrase: My assertion that 0/0 = 1 is an approximation based on the assumption that nothing has exactly 0 cost or 0 value (due to opportunity cost), and nothing has 0 value, but instead both approach very close to 0 cost and value. Actualy, after thinking for a while a more realistic cost minimum would be say between 1-10mil for poddeath (adjusted to 50k to 500k to include probability of poddeath in any one loss of ship). Value of using a noobship would be a small number either side of 0 depending on the situation, as some people may experience disconfort knowing they have brought a noobship instead of a proper ship, whereas some may think it is better than nothing. The resultant cost:value would be a very small positive or negative benefit, approaching 0. I need a beer. This is what happens if you stay in on a Friday night!
Alak D'bor Viper Squad Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:35:00 - [24] Originally by: goodby4u Geddon, only 60 some odd mil and full insurable. Also does considerable dps. I <3 geddon. But they fail currently because of cap after mwd is fitted, and with bubbles and dd you must fit mwd. Listen to your fc, and when they whine about what they don't have, bring it next time if you can until they whine about something else. If the fc isn't whining about something, it's hard to beat a thron or an apoc fitted to hit 150+ in value to the fleet, tempest 3rd choice.
Itanis Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Sixty million? Try sixteen million. I can't remember the figures I had worked out on the back of an envelope, but my first geddon, fully fit, cost 82M including all modules and insurance, with an insurance payout of 66M. That ship cost me 16M to replace. And if you keep your eye open, you can find even better deals on this and other battleships. You still need the initial investment, so it's more than 16 milliion. :)
Caractacus Potts	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:43:00 - [26] I'm gonna go with... suicide cyno-kestrel.

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