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Ashley Sky The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:32:00 - [1] So we all know that EVE employees play EVE, to make it better, right? And we all know that you have faith in your own game, that's why CSM member names and characters are public, correct? So you definitely wouldn't be doing anything shady in your own game that would cause you to abuse your powers for your in-game characters, now would you? I'm sure you're totally honest in a fair and balanced way. That's why you should have no problem with this request. One could argue that you keep your characters a secret so people don't beg you to abuse your powers or come after you in game. But you know that you don't ever do that right? A game that is good enough for us should be good enough for you, shouldn't it? So this shouldn't be an issue. After all, when we know who you are, we'll be able to keep a watchful eye and make sure that you're being truthful and trustworthy. If you are being regular players this should definitely be a good-faith public relations move for you. It's my opinion that the EVE community has a right to know when it is playing along side a GM/Dev. After all, publicly traded corporations declare their senior officers. These good practices could apply to you as well, wouldn't you say?
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:34:00 - [2] i'm spartacus Minmatar FW Corp recruiting
sg3s Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:35:00 - [3] There are many reasons why NOT to do this.. but a simple one is that the devs, in fact, just want to be players at a point and they do not want the extra attention it would give them.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:36:00 - [4] The fail is strong with this one. - DesuSigs
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:37:00 - [5] Edited by: DubanFP on 11/07/2008 21:38:28 Originally by: sg3s There are many reasons why NOT to do this.. but a simple one is that the devs, in fact, just want to be players at a point and they do not want the extra attention it would give them. this. Can you imagine the harrassment they would get every day when they're trying to play? Big importaint fleet battles and they get like 10 private convos in the middle and constantly lose ships to crap like that? Of course every time you die someone will post about being on the killmail of one of the devs, or say something about it. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Wynona Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:39:00 - [6] I'm all for a better gaming environment and approve of this message. Can you feel the love? =)
Ashley Sky The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:40:00 - [7] Originally by: sg3s There are many reasons why NOT to do this.. but a simple one is that the devs, in fact, just want to be players at a point and they do not want the extra attention it would give them. But the fact of the matter is that they are Devs, so they have to be more accountable for this potentially unfair advantage. Think of it as how corporation employees handle stock buys to prevent insider trading.
Ashley Sky The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:44:00 - [8] Originally by: DubanFP this. Can you imagine the harrassment they would get every day when they're trying to play? Big importaint fleet battles and they get like 10 private convos in the middle and constantly lose ships to crap like that? Of course every time you die someone will post about being on the killmail of one of the devs, or say something about it. And how would this differ from other famous players in the game such as well-known pirates, and CSM council members? There's something called auto-reject and CSPA fees. The game is fully equipped to handle this.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:44:00 - [9] If they reveal their characters they will be treated differently to normal players, which will in turn skew the gaming experience they use to evaluate the game. So doing so would be a bad idea from a game design perspective as it'll defeat the purpose of them playing. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:47:00 - [10] CCP Employee Gaming Policy would force all revealed dev characters to be reprocessed. It is CCP policy not to reveal them. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
HAMTRONIX Shadows of the Dead Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:48:00 - [11] I must be missing something here, how exactly is knowing that a char is a gm/dev/etc going to tell you anything other than that char works for ccp? Should you also get their api keys too so you can monitor them..bah, fail idea.
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:50:00 - [12] this is an awful idea. the whole point is so that we dont know and treat them the same way. then again if you think that devs are "cheating" by playing the game they're working on, you're probably beyond salvage. - -
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:50:00 - [13] This is a ridiculous idea. Apart from the fact that they may want to play the game just for fun, they also play it to get to know what the problems are in the game. To do that requires being able to play the game normally, which they would not be able to do if their player characters were revealed. They may as well just play with their dev accounts. CCP have an internal system for making sure devs behave themselves. If you don't trust them not to cheat, then you have no obligation to play their game. --- Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Ashley Sky That's why you should have no problem with this request. There's only this little problem of COMPANY POLICY, where it says that if the "regular" gameplay character of a CCP employee is ever exposed as belonging to a CCP employee, that character's name, ID and emploment history has to be "randomized" as soon as that is known. I bet a lot of CCP employees that still play (yes, a lot have quit due to draconic measures following the T2 scandal) would love to be able to tell some regular players they're dev characters - even if they're painfully aware they couldn't do anything to help them, and they WOULD get a lot of requests for help even in spite of their inability to do anything thanks to the IA dept. - but they're not allowed to. _ *The mineral/moonstuff balance \|\| THE* nanofix**
Ashley Sky The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Faife then again if you think that devs are "cheating" by playing the game they're working on, you're probably beyond salvage. If you're curious, look up a player called "Nova". This player has T2 BPOs and started out in a player corp (not an NPC corp) Not saying that the GMs ever cheat, but...
sg3s Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:54:00 - [16] Edited by: sg3s on 11/07/2008 21:57:08 Originally by: Ashley Sky Originally by: sg3s There are many reasons why NOT to do this.. but a simple one is that the devs, in fact, just want to be players at a point and they do not want the extra attention it would give them. But the fact of the matter is that they are Devs, so they have to be more accountable for this potentially unfair advantage. Think of it as how corporation employees handle stock buys to prevent insider trading. How much more things would you be able to do as a dev on a normal account? (which is what they use for their normal character) Well in short, nothing more than what a normal player can, ok they will know how certain mechanics works but they still have to abide by the rules of the game. They also have to abide by a lot of rules on their 'gm' or 'dev' character, maybe even a lot more, just to stop employees from abusing... I think you are taking this too far, are you so scared someone might actually get an advantage that you wouldn't trust the developers with a character of their own to play the game they made?... I think you should get your head examed. edit: as an addition, and bonus, do you think it is any different on other mmorpgs? aside from the fact that the companies behind them might fully deny that their developers/game masters play the game? get real
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Ashley Sky Not saying that the GMs ever cheat, but... Suspicions of cheating ? Write the IA about it. fakeedit : /hug _ *The mineral/moonstuff balance \|\| THE* nanofix**
Gealbhan Caldari Infernal Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.11 21:59:00 - [18] I know who they are. I'll list them now, they're... odd whirring sound and a blank stare later... ...and that is how you make chicken kiev's.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Ashley Sky Originally by: Faife then again if you think that devs are "cheating" by playing the game they're working on, you're probably beyond salvage. If you're curious, look up a player called "Nova". This player has T2 BPOs and started out in a player corp (not an NPC corp) Not saying that the GMs ever cheat, but... It's a 2003 character and of what I know there was a time when employment histories were truncated due to some issues. That's why there's no starter corp. Ask Chribba, I remember him talking about that. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Ashley Sky Originally by: Faife then again if you think that devs are "cheating" by playing the game they're working on, you're probably beyond salvage. If you're curious, look up a player called "Nova". This player has T2 BPOs and started out in a player corp (not an NPC corp) Not saying that the GMs ever cheat, but... you are stupid... please stfu and leave. there are quite alot of players whit first corp being a player corp. if i remember correct there where no npc starter corps when eve went live... they got added bit later. and DEVs dont need to make their characters known to everyone. they would get abused beyond insanity because of it. its even stupid to ask such a thing. if you dont like it.. just FO ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Halkin Locus Solus	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Ashley Sky So we all know that EVE employees play EVE, to make it better, right? And we all know that you have faith in your own game, that's why CSM member names and characters are public, correct? So you definitely wouldn't be doing anything shady in your own game that would cause you to abuse your powers for your in-game characters, now would you? I'm sure you're totally honest in a fair and balanced way. That's why you should have no problem with this request. One could argue that you keep your characters a secret so people don't beg you to abuse your powers or come after you in game. But you know that you don't ever do that right? A game that is good enough for us should be good enough for you, shouldn't it? So this shouldn't be an issue. After all, when we know who you are, we'll be able to keep a watchful eye and make sure that you're being truthful and trustworthy. If you are being regular players this should definitely be a good-faith public relations move for you. It's my opinion that the EVE community has a right to know when it is playing along side a GM/Dev. After all, publicly traded corporations declare their senior officers. These good practices could apply to you as well, wouldn't you say? Well we know you play this game, right? Send full home address so I can send dog turd my special delivery. Seriously though, I dont see why they should. If they had chars in 'regular' corps every man and his ibis would have them decc'ed and locator agents after them. Just for giggles. Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
Ashley Sky The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Abrazzar Not saying that the GMs ever cheat, but... It's a 2003 character and of what I know there was a time when employment histories were truncated due to some issues. That's why there's no starter corp. Ask Chribba, I remember him talking about that. Fascinating point of trivia that I didn't realize.
Caractacus Potts	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Zaphod Jones i'm spartacus No, I'm spartacus.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Caractacus Potts Originally by: Zaphod Jones i'm spartacus No, I'm spartacus. Notify : 2008.07.11 22:10:01 Zaphod Jones is already Spartacus. _ *The mineral/moonstuff balance \|\| THE* nanofix**
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:14:00 - [25] You do realise that if a dev's character is revealed as such, it has to be reprocessed? It's somewhat of a deterrent. __________________________ Quote: ...bored, skint, no charter, and a ship that looks like an explosion in a girder factory...
Armoured C Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Caractacus Potts Originally by: Zaphod Jones i'm spartacus No, I'm spartacus. Notify : 2008.07.11 22:10:01 Zaphod Jones is already Spartacus. spartacus is over rated... im hello kitty
Wynona Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:15:00 - [27] Awesome discussion I'm gonna put tanning oil on my nose too
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Crumplecorn The fail is strong with this one. need a hug ? --------- Founder of the Hug-a-troll initiative Hug a forum troll because they can probably use it !
Halkin Locus Solus	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Ashley Sky Originally by: Halkin Seriously though, I dont see why they should. If they had chars in 'regular' corps every man and his ibis would have them decc'ed and locator agents after them. Just for giggles. So you're saying we have a broken wardec system that needs attention? What prevents me from doing this to you, or you doing this to me? I think you're using fanboy logic here. The argument you present will prevent them from playing the game they make. War decs or not their characters will be treated differently, no way around it. The war dec system does have some flaws, however thats not what where i was going. Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
Ashley Sky The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.11 22:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Halkin The argument you present will prevent them from playing the game they make. War decs or not their characters will be treated differently, no way around it. The war dec system does have some flaws, however thats not what where i was going. What do you think test servers are for? Imagine that you are a $20/hr carpenter working on a $1 million house. When you're finished should you get to live there? Oh wait no you're making it so you can get paid.

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