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Comte Valmont
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Posted - 2008.07.12 16:51:00 -
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Hi all. I have 2 mining drones out, but they are not worth investing in it. They are like 90% less efficient then lasers. Am I missing something here? I'd rather invest in other mining upgrades, cpu upgrades as well.
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Falkrich Swifthand
Caldari
eNinjas Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.12 17:00:00 -
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RE: Title:
Yes.
However, they are completely free to use. No CPU, grid or cap needed to operate them, and you can use them as well as lasers.
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP
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Posted - 2008.07.12 17:02:00 -
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I'm almost a maxed out Hulk miner. With mining drone rigs I estimate that my T2 drones will mine around 65% of what one of my lasers bring in.
They can definitely be worth to have, but you need to train some skills for it. Especially so you can use 5 of them.
However, it is not something you should focus on at the beginning. Training for a barge and mining upgrades will likely be a much better option for you.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.07.12 17:02:00 -
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Mining drones are crap until you get into Hulk mining (lesser barges need the drone space for combat drones - a hulk can carry 5 lights and 5 mining drones however)
Once in a hulk you'll more than likely have drones 5 already and a few levels of Drone Interfacing. 5 T2 mining drones with Drone Interfacing 5 can pull in about half a jetcan worth of ore per hour and are great for cleaning up little shit rocks other people left behind, or mining a nearby rock that's of a different type than what you have loaded in your strip miners.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2008.07.12 17:46:00 -
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Mining drones aren't supposed to replace mining lasers, they are supposed to support them to bring in that little bit of extra ore. They are worth investing in, eventually, but you're right that when your skills are limited there are better options to go for.
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Tak nTar
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.12 18:18:00 -
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I'm with Asestorian.
They are a little extra and they are paid very fast. So, unless you dont need combat drones, why dont use them to get some extra-isk ?
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Patient 2428190
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.12 18:37:00 -
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They do really well when used by a Nyx.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.12 19:16:00 -
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Right now, in my Vexor (riding shotgun for a Mining Barge operation), I have 3 T2 Mining lasers, with Mining IV. I also am running 5 T1 mining drones with Drone Interfacing III. The lasers are running 216 cu m/min. The drones are running 179.4 cu m/min. When I get Mining Drone IV and V in next 4 days, and replace the T1 drones with T2 drones, the 5 drones combined mining rate will jump to 325 cu m/min, which is approx 150% of the three T2 lasers.
The output of this is no mining barge rate, but those drones are a fantastic investment, considering this is a cruiser, not a ship designed for mining.
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Comte Valmont
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha
Right now, in my Vexor (riding shotgun for a Mining Barge operation), I have 3 T2 Mining lasers, with Mining IV. I also am running 5 T1 mining drones with Drone Interfacing III. The lasers are running 216 cu m/min. The drones are running 179.4 cu m/min. When I get Mining Drone IV and V in next 4 days, and replace the T1 drones with T2 drones, the 5 drones combined mining rate will jump to 325 cu m/min, which is approx 150% of the three T2 lasers.
The output of this is no mining barge rate, but those drones are a fantastic investment, considering this is a cruiser, not a ship designed for mining.
And how much time and ISK have you invested for these drones to be efficient? You'll have no business case left.
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Elaine Celeste
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Elaine Celeste on 12/07/2008 23:12:43
Originally by: Comte Valmont
Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha
Right now, in my Vexor (riding shotgun for a Mining Barge operation), I have 3 T2 Mining lasers, with Mining IV. I also am running 5 T1 mining drones with Drone Interfacing III. The lasers are running 216 cu m/min. The drones are running 179.4 cu m/min. When I get Mining Drone IV and V in next 4 days, and replace the T1 drones with T2 drones, the 5 drones combined mining rate will jump to 325 cu m/min, which is approx 150% of the three T2 lasers.
The output of this is no mining barge rate, but those drones are a fantastic investment, considering this is a cruiser, not a ship designed for mining.
And how much time and ISK have you invested for these drones to be efficient? You'll have no business case left.
Stop being such a negative jackass. Eve is all about tiny improvements. Even having 5-10% more yield per hour is great, and I'm sure mining drones can get you that much with ok skills.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gieron
I'm almost a maxed out Hulk miner. With mining drone rigs I estimate that my T2 drones will mine around 65% of what one of my lasers bring in.
They can definitely be worth to have, but you need to train some skills for it. Especially so you can use 5 of them.
However, it is not something you should focus on at the beginning. Training for a barge and mining upgrades will likely be a much better option for you.
Hehe, that's a good idea. I'll have my Hulk in 5 days and had given up on mining drones (needing the combat drones for defense). I'll definately give them a try now 
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.13 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Comte Valmont
Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha
Right now, in my Vexor (riding shotgun for a Mining Barge operation), I have 3 T2 Mining lasers, with Mining IV. I also am running 5 T1 mining drones with Drone Interfacing III. The lasers are running 216 cu m/min. The drones are running 179.4 cu m/min. When I get Mining Drone IV and V in next 4 days, and replace the T1 drones with T2 drones, the 5 drones combined mining rate will jump to 325 cu m/min, which is approx 150% of the three T2 lasers.
The output of this is no mining barge rate, but those drones are a fantastic investment, considering this is a cruiser, not a ship designed for mining.
And how much time and ISK have you invested for these drones to be efficient? You'll have no business case left.
Really? No business case huh? Well, considering the 20% bonus per level for Drone Interfacing applies not only to mining efficiency but also drone damage, you would be ummmm...what is the word, "dead wrong".
Now, if you are one of these people that fire off their drones at 10km from an asteroid, well then, you best stay away from drones and stick with something more simple to understand.
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Marion Rendois
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Posted - 2008.07.14 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Comte Valmont
And how much time and ISK have you invested for these drones to be efficient? You'll have no business case left.
Yes, if the guy was trying to make a business case for mining operations as his primary focus, training Drone Interfacing to maximise mining yield doesn't make sense when he isn't even in a mining barge yet.
However, considering that Drone Interfacing also increases the damage done by combat drones, I think he has a very good case for increasing the effectiveness of his Vexor (which is, after all, a drone carrier). The fact that Drone Interfacing helps his mining drones mine faster is just a pleasant bonus.
You don't necessarily know that he's not carrying combat drones too. Combat drones with nothing to fight are more useless than mining ore in a Vexor using mining lasers and mining drones. So if anything, he's actually increasing the productivity of his Vexor by using mining drones when there are no enemies to blow up.
As to the OP - mining drones are not useless. Their productivity gain relies heavily on having advanced drone skills such as Drone Interfacing.
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Henri Calisse
Caldari
Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.07.14 08:40:00 -
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Don't forget the mining drone rigs for your ship as well.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar
AA Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.14 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Comte Valmont
Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha
Right now, in my Vexor (riding shotgun for a Mining Barge operation), I have 3 T2 Mining lasers, with Mining IV. I also am running 5 T1 mining drones with Drone Interfacing III. The lasers are running 216 cu m/min. The drones are running 179.4 cu m/min. When I get Mining Drone IV and V in next 4 days, and replace the T1 drones with T2 drones, the 5 drones combined mining rate will jump to 325 cu m/min, which is approx 150% of the three T2 lasers.
The output of this is no mining barge rate, but those drones are a fantastic investment, considering this is a cruiser, not a ship designed for mining.
And how much time and ISK have you invested for these drones to be efficient? You'll have no business case left.
How much time and isk do you have to invest to be efficient period in a ship?
Every increase is still an increase.
Considering many of the skills for mining drones (other than mining drone operation) carry over to combat drones... still worthwhile to train them.
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Kask Aledrought
Gallente
Imperial Security Group
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Posted - 2008.07.14 12:29:00 -
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Please see page 36
http://www.envimon.com/francis/eve/completeminersguide_v2.2.pdf
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Marion Rendois
Originally by: Comte Valmont
And how much time and ISK have you invested for these drones to be efficient? You'll have no business case left.
Yes, if the guy was trying to make a business case for mining operations as his primary focus, training Drone Interfacing to maximise mining yield doesn't make sense when he isn't even in a mining barge yet.
However, considering that Drone Interfacing also increases the damage done by combat drones, I think he has a very good case for increasing the effectiveness of his Vexor (which is, after all, a drone carrier). The fact that Drone Interfacing helps his mining drones mine faster is just a pleasant bonus.
You don't necessarily know that he's not carrying combat drones too. Combat drones with nothing to fight are more useless than mining ore in a Vexor using mining lasers and mining drones. So if anything, he's actually increasing the productivity of his Vexor by using mining drones when there are no enemies to blow up.
As to the OP - mining drones are not useless. Their productivity gain relies heavily on having advanced drone skills such as Drone Interfacing.
Looks like the OP has moved on, but I would like to expand on the usefulness of the drones. I have been supporting a buddy in a mining barge while we have repeatedly mined rocks within a particular mission. (avoided the potential PvP issues I alluded to in a different thread)
His barge is defenseless, given he is carrying strip miners. I have been carrying 3 T2 mining lasers, one railgun, and one one salvager in my high slots. I am also running 5 mining lasers out there.
When NPC trouble shows up, my mining lasers come home, and out pop my Hammerheads. The NPC's blow up real good (SCTV joke), I salvage, and then I swap back to mining lasers. My buddy in the mining barge never misses a beat.
Given that I am running about 55-65% the mining efficiency of his mining barge, plus protecting both of us, I would suggest to the OP that drones, both mining and combat, are a terrific investment in money and skilltraining.
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