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Amin	Posted - 2004.05.28 11:16:00 - [31] Well it doesnt seem to include contraband flagging from my tests on chaos Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
ScumUK	Posted - 2004.05.28 12:28:00 - [32] Edited by: ScumUK on 28/05/2004 12:32:29 hey i was not whining!...you want to play as a rat, more to you buddy. But you expect the break the law set down by concord (dont quote me on that cuz i'm still kinda new)you going to get hunted down. Just as second thought, this rule with rock for the bounty hunters, so all you lawbreakers try *****ing at them perhapas they will be more understanding as they have been nerfed for eons. "Eat at McTorp, more tasty than a Big Mac"
Hakera	Posted - 2004.05.28 12:33:00 - [33] anyone! CCP please fill in the gaps.... Criminal flagging is... Criminal Flagging works by.... Criminal Flagging applies to the following scenarios/action.... TY! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
DeGrand	Posted - 2004.05.28 15:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Nyrram Edited by: Nyrram on 28/05/2004 03:11:55 Killing you, yes, fine.. I'm a bad guy.. it's the canister that I have a problem with.. it's "a hell of alot easier" because it's not secure.. it "has a larger capacity" because it's not secure... it's not secure because it's PUBLIC DOMAIN. It's trash.. it's junk, it's something you've jettisoned.. it's not yours, it belongs to everyone.. if you want to keep adding things to it, by all means.. it's still not yours. And for the record, pirates don't usually care about ore.. if I was to find you mining in a .4 or below system, odds are I'd ransom or destroy your ship, and destroy your ore canister if you didn't pay up. Only Ore Removal Technicians care about ore.. if you want to fire at them, mine in .4 or below and take the security status hit.. But for the love of God, stop whining that you want "ownership" of a jettisoned cargo container.. if you want it, keep it in your cargo hold. What a load of bs...I mine in to jet-cans and it clearly states that its mine in the name that I give it...its my jetcan at the least! How about you go put a bag full of money on the floor in a shoppingmall...is it free for all to take just because you put it on the floor next to you? I dun think so...If thats how stuff works where u live then ill change my plans for the holidays immediatly Sucky thing is that these lowest of the lowest lifeforms in EVE are all in a n00bcorp...you should at least be able to declare war on the m0r0ns.
Skelator	Posted - 2004.05.28 16:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Agent Shield Originally by: Patreze maybe something like this -> named jettison = property, so person takeing something from named jettison is flaged as a thief What is a named jettison? If you jettison cargo from your hold, you evidently do not think to highly of it and threw it out like trash. There is no such thing as an ore thief. What is happening is players are calling other players who come buy and clean up space of debris, thiefs for some reason. Give those players a break! They are helping out Eve by eliminating all those cans with ore just sitting out in space cluttering it up. They are helping us out by cleaning up the area. I don't know how criminal flagging is going to work, but I can't imagine it is for labeling someone a criminal for picking up someone else's trash they didn't want. I agree in principal with you shield.. But I bet You have never wandered over to a noob "Jettisoned" cargo and helped yourself out of respect to the noob. I think its called Ethics and Fairness Now if I were to see a UBER STRIPMINING Battleship fleet in 1.0 then Steal away because they can Certainly mine in much lower spaceand are actually robbing the Noobs of a way to start. Maybe Im old Fashioned but we were ALL Noobs once and remember hos it sucked mining in a imicus with a basic mining laser? I sure do. They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
PwDarkKnight	Posted - 2004.05.28 16:28:00 - [36] Quote: What a load of bs...I mine in to jet-cans and it clearly states that its mine in the name that I give it...its my jetcan at the least! How about you go put a bag full of money on the floor in a shoppingmall...is it free for all to take just because you put it on the floor next to you? I dun think so...If thats how stuff works where u live then ill change my plans for the holidays immediatly If you set a bag down, its still yours, you're not getting rid of it. If you jettison it, it's no longer yours...you're abandoning it. Just because you use a jettisoned can to put ore in doesn't mean it's yours and yours only. --
Agent Shield	Posted - 2004.05.28 19:55:00 - [37] Originally by: PwDarkKnight Quote: If you set a bag down, its still yours, you're not getting rid of it. If you jettison it, it's no longer yours...you're abandoning it. Just because you use a jettisoned can to put ore in doesn't mean it's yours and yours only. What you are saying PDK, is that a jettisoned can is not a bag, purse, or wallet; so players need to understand that. Agent Shield
Agent Shield	Posted - 2004.05.28 19:59:00 - [38] Skelator my friend, I would not take ore from a noobie trying hard to make a living with his/her new ship. And I sure know what it was like when we started out using an Ibis, get ore, go to station, get ore, go to station, repeat a few times, buy Bantam, get ore, rinse and repeat until you finally have a tad better ship and equipment. It was hard work, and I think all players should at least experience that part of what the game is like. Like you, I would dread going back to that mode of loading your 'cargo hold' and going back to station, but that is how the game works and should stay that way. Jettisoned cans are a convenience, but that convenience has a price. The price being is that it could be stolen if set out with the rest of the debris by those who do that for a living. Agent Shield
Nyrram	Posted - 2004.05.29 01:19:00 - [39] Edited by: Nyrram on 29/05/2004 01:27:10 I make a solemn oath right this very moment.. if cargo canisters work this way, i'm going to drop canisters by gates with 1 trit and blow people up for taking it. I won't loot their stuff most likely, but I will kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill until CCP changes it. Simply the most idiot idea I've heard yet... why not just put passwords on the damned things, make them last 10 hours, make them indestructable, and be done with it.. I'm also going to blow up any and every cargo container I see until it gets changed back, assuming it does indeed work the way it has been suggested. -- Nyrram
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.29 07:48:00 - [40] Something like this? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Aelius	Posted - 2004.05.29 10:05:00 - [41] Let's see... You have a flag... see??? a stick with a rug... and you have a criminal, some ebil, bad to the bone guy. You stick the flag into one of his eyes and you have... CRIMINAL FLAGING Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Bohr	Posted - 2004.05.29 11:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Christa Larne Is this really just about ore thieves? And surely opening a random jet-can cannot be considered a criminal action. What happens when I am rat-hunting in a system and someone has previously killed a couple but not cleared up the loot. I have no way of knowing which are 'my' cans and which are 'theirs' so I would easily open the wrong one. Nopes. They have ticker names. Opening such a can would make you a thief i presume. Originally by: Christa Larne Is it not the case that CCP have stated repeatedly that they are not going to do anything about people taking ore from jet-cans as they were not intended to be used for mining in the first place? My understanding of the criminal flagging was that it would be of more use in lowsec Empire space. Right now if a PK attacks someone in a belt anyone else in system who decides to come and assist can't fire on the PK (unless they have >-5.0 sec) without incurring a -sec hit. Criminal flagging would mean that if I perform a criminal act then anyone can shoot at me without taking a -sec hit. This is gonna change PvP, not ore stealing from jet-cans. I doubt it will be any use for lowsec in general, as it is part of introducing the blackmarket, allowing for smugglers and such people. Meaning, are you carrying contraband or stolen goods, you're flagged and CONCORD will do theirs to hunt you. Perhaps players will stand a chance at doing this too, through i.e Federation Navy and the likes. That is only speculating.
Bohr	Posted - 2004.05.29 11:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Nyrram Edited by: Nyrram on 28/05/2004 03:11:55 Originally by: ScumUK well when i'm mining i jetison the ore into a temp can and continue to fill it as it has a larger cap as any of the secure can's and a hell of a lot easier (thus meaning that the can is still wanted) if some nasty rat person wants to come by and kill me then steal my ore fair enough, that is the nature of the game, what is so wrong that the rat gets labeled a bad guy...doh! you a bad guy! deal with it! Killing you, yes, fine.. I'm a bad guy.. it's the canister that I have a problem with.. it's "a hell of alot easier" because it's not secure.. it "has a larger capacity" because it's not secure... it's not secure because it's PUBLIC DOMAIN. Actually no such thing as "public domain". You find a purse on the street you are, in the words of the law, not allowed to touch it :P Lots of good reasons for that when thinking about it. Jet cans have a ticker name and you can even name them yourself :)
Lufio II	Posted - 2004.05.29 11:42:00 - [44] Putting a label on a trashbin in town still doesn't make it yours. And actually this discussion has been around for months already as far as I can tell beeing here for only a month. Jetbins are trashcans. Excplicitly used for getting rid of unwanted stuff. Want to keep your stuff? Get an Indy helping you, or actually mine in an indy. Or use secure bins, that's what they are for at all (yeah, they haven't got as much space, but hey, you have a PW on it, and they sure can stand some shooting). I'd find it highly unconventional to have someone flagged as criminal for taking stuff from jetbins. I'd love to see everyone flagged as criminal because they opened the can of loot from cheap rats they shoot.....
Jowen Datloran	Posted - 2004.05.29 11:43:00 - [45] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 29/05/2004 11:45:57 All the mining I've done has always been in jetcans and I've never had anything stolen. It's not luck, it's because I plan ahead. I've always respected the so called ore "thieves" because they actually make me have to do this planning and pose a minor intellectual challenge in the otherwise simple work mining is. I would really hate to see them go Who will otherwise oppose the macro miners? ---------------- What's a rumor on page one is a fact on page two
Hakera	Posted - 2004.06.01 06:55:00 - [46] anyone! CCP please fill in the gaps.... Criminal flagging is... Criminal Flagging works by.... Criminal Flagging applies to the following scenarios/action.... TY! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Korwin	Posted - 2004.06.01 09:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Nyrram Edited by: Nyrram on 29/05/2004 01:27:10 I make a solemn oath right this very moment.. if cargo canisters work this way, i'm going to drop canisters by gates with 1 trit and blow people up for taking it. I won't loot their stuff most likely, but I will kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill until CCP changes it. Simply the most idiot idea I've heard yet... why not just put passwords on the damned things, make them last 10 hours, make them indestructable, and be done with it.. I'm also going to blow up any and every cargo container I see until it gets changed back, assuming it does indeed work the way it has been suggested. Before running around telling everyone the sky is falling try to look beyond your nose. It takes about 10 minutes of coding to get a box to pop up informing the player that they are about to perform a criminal act and "Do you wish to perform this action?". That will solve 99% of all problems with unsuspecting players getting themselves flagged. But more power to you on your crusade to prevent criminal flagging from being implemented. Perhaps you should find a better way to earn a living than stealing Veldpsar from newbies.
Oveur	Posted - 2004.06.01 09:52:00 - [48] Info coming to Patch Review. Also answered here.. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

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