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Terron Kerrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:09:00 -
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Its pretty simple. *You all can say what you want the fact is the same*
Whats the point in these seperate races when there are really no differences.
We can fly any ship and do any job and skill. i thought EvE was about diversity and uniqueness in races and job application. What a farce.
*sarcastic* Might as well just nerf all the races and make them one. |
Terron Kerrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:09:00 -
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srry folks, just realised i posted in wrong topic. |
Froggy Storm
Angels Of Death EVE Mayhem.
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:25:00 -
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Avatar aesthetics and about 12hr or so head start in training. In the old times races and the society selections made a big difference. But too many complaints that they got "balanced " into irrelevance.
Do keep this in mind when vociferously calling for nerfs in the name of balance. We might just end up with ships only differentiated by aesthetics too. |
Terron Kerrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:53:00 -
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Hit the nail on th head.
You are so right. EvE is losing it's spark for diversity in the long run. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.03.16 05:56:00 -
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-2/10 Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Crellion
Parental Control HELL4S
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Posted - 2012.03.16 06:44:00 -
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Dunno I agree with him. Can't quite remember what races are for. Unless this is another silly parabol thread about Titans...
Also the guy who said it used to mean something way back... I hope you mean waaaaaaayyy back because at least since end 04 beggining 05 there has been no difference that a few days training wont obliterate...
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Halete
Almost Epic
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Posted - 2012.03.16 06:57:00 -
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EVE's about the diversity of the sandbox and each player's part in it. The heck are you smoking? Race never had, or never should have anything to do with it (regarding what EVE should be, I realize it used to be that the races started off quite differently).
Here's a sand-box; except you can only play within these rules. For the full experience, create three alts!
Yeah, I can see how this wouldn't a problem for some people - you're implementing a change that doesn't affect some players whilst completely sucks for anyone outside of that group. Looking like a pretty significant net loss to me, for the sake of letting some people feel like beautiful unique snowflakes.
Races give us flavor and aesthetics. I think this enough. You don't need to be an RPer or anything like that to appreciate that.
Post below me has a good point too. Even if you totally re-arrange starting skills like it used to be, it's still a flavor changed that can be mitigated by training. My post was more directed any other consideration to change the races. Generic small-time hero-tackle pilot with no relevance. |
Froggy Storm
Angels Of Death EVE Mayhem.
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Posted - 2012.03.16 07:02:00 -
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Crellion wrote:Dunno I agree with him. Can't quite remember what races are for. Unless this is another silly parabol thread about Titans... Also the guy who said it used to mean something way back... I hope you mean waaaaaaayyy back because at least since end 04 beggining 05 there has been no difference that a few days training wont obliterate...
True enough it was only a day or less of difference, but the skills were more settled on a starter profession then. But it was largely just for flavor even then. Point conceded. :) |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.03.16 07:10:00 -
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It's a sandbox, you have the choice to be universal or unique. I've chosen to limit myself to Gallente ships, just because I can. I want to embrace the strenghts and overcome the weaknesses, and oh yes I think they are the sexiest ships in EVE
It's cool that those who want to fly everything have the choice- it's distant future and we are demigods, why couldn't you fly all ships designed by humans?
Quote:Avatar aesthetics and about 12hr or so head start in training. In the old times races and the society selections made a big difference. But too many complaints that they got "balanced " into irrelevance.
Do keep this in mind when vociferously calling for nerfs in the name of balance. We might just end up with ships only differentiated by aesthetics too.
Without balance, we would only see FOTM ships in space, while the rest unsubbed. Balancing allows different ships to be competitive and keeps the space scenery interesting and varied.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.16 09:04:00 -
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I recall that back in the day certain bloodlines (namely the Caldari Achura) had an "advantage" attribute-wise. I believe it was something along the lines that they didn't need to use an attribute remap to optimize their training plan... so EVERYONE got themselves said "optimal" character.
Someone might want to fact check me on that though. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
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OfBalance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.16 11:14:00 -
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Too generous. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:08:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:I recall that back in the day certain bloodlines (namely the Caldari Achura) had an "advantage" attribute-wise. I believe it was something along the lines that they didn't need to use an attribute remap to optimize their training plan... so EVERYONE got themselves said "optimal" character.
Someone might want to fact check me on that though.
They had a good selection of stats, meaning they had the lowest base charisma(3). Since there are very few charisma skills in the game and they are mostly specializations, for the average character low charisma meant you trained faster overall. We didn't have neural remaps back then, so it was a great choice for anyone looking to maximize their training speed and was the least bad choice for a new player who didn't know what he wanted. We only got the remaps in apocrypha(2009) when the character creation process was revamped too. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.03.16 12:50:00 -
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I disagree.
I chose Caldari because I like their ideals. I like their artwork, the industrial asymmetric design philosophy, their style of dress and their genetic traits.
Racial Attributes in the past made choosing a character more stats then style. I choose my character to represent who I want to be and how I want to represent myself in the game.
On top of that the idea of making differences in the races is just silly. In an age where genetic modification and complete plastic surgery is most likely as simple as going to a tattoo artist today, I see no reason a character should not be whoever they want to be.
This isn't Orcs and Humans. You are a very rich and powerful individual that Governments and Corporations want to court you because you are worth 100 other non Capsuleer Ships. Profit and results talk more then racial ideologies.
Yes Race in this game only effects aesthetics, yes you are not limited to certain roles by race and yes you are judged solely by your capabilities and your character.
Sounds like a good thing to me. |
Osabojo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:49:00 -
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I am so tired of getting pulled over by CONCORD.
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:48:00 -
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I have two accounts.
Acct 1 Main: <------me Alt 1: Amarrian Alt 2: Caldari
Acct 2 Main: Gallente
Notice that both main characters are Gallente. I chose that race simply because of the fundamental principles of civil and economic liberties that they represent and stand for. The alts are just there for one purpose: to serve as scouts hunting down bot users. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.16 15:39:00 -
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Yes its pretty balanced but there are other reasons. The backgrounds still add depth, drive story.
I'm not a die hard Intaki because I randomly picked, I loved the back story and history. Grow an imagination and you might notice nothing has changed. For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2012.03.16 15:52:00 -
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I picked minmatar for fluff reasons. I only fly minmatar ships because I only really LIKE minmatar ships, and have sunk all my support skills into them. |
Soporo
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Posted - 2012.03.16 16:02:00 -
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Ought to get a (small) boost of some sort for flying your racial ships. Amarr 2% cap bonus, or everyone just gets a 1% grid or cpu bonus or something. Something Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken |
Kasutra
Tailor Company
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:40:00 -
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Soporo wrote:Ought to get a (small) boost of some sort for flying your racial ships. Amarr 2% cap bonus for instance, or everyone just gets a 1% grid or cpu bonus or something. Something And why is that? |
BearJews
Android Arms And Industrial Corporation
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:44:00 -
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i always looked at it for aesthetics, ship design, and folk lore. |
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Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade Vanguard.
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:50:00 -
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Soporo wrote:Ought to get a (small) boost of some sort for flying your racial ships. Amarr 2% cap bonus for instance, or everyone just gets a 1% grid or cpu bonus or something. Something
Yet another boost for the Winmatar? |
Darthewok
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:53:00 -
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If all the 4 races ships were homogeneous they would look like this. Assymetric rusty golden potatoes. CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
Kid Chaos
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.16 18:29:00 -
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I agree. The fact that the race you chose for flavor reasons doesn't pigeon hole you into ship types or skill sets on the absurd notion that anyone can learn / do / fly anything based on their interests and applied effort towards learning those skills / ship types, is just f***ing stupid.
Everyone of the same race should have the same inherent interests, abilities, attributes, and should therefor excel in EXACTLY the same fields, just like in real life!
Good call, OP. Good call... |
Arlen Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:00:00 -
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I chose Amarr because they have the nicest ships, and I love their lore. My character will never fly Minmatar, because they are filthy slaves. Why would I lower myself to flying their primitive ships? Likewise I wouldn't fly Gallente, they are almost as bad as the Minmatar. I could possibly fly a Caldari ship, as they are atleast allies with the Amarr, but it's unlikely.
I do agree there should be some sort of bonus for people who actually stick with their race, rather than flying whatever the fad is at the time. Nothing much, just something like the 1/2% slight bonuses someone mentioned. It's not entirely needed, but would be a nice incentive to stop everyone flying drakes just because the internet says they are good.
If the game was brand new, about to be released, I would rather have seen crosstraining unavailable, or atleast something that requires a very large skill/time investment. It's far too late for anything like though, so I'll just make do flying my subpar Amarr ships and feeling good about myself, because at least I'm not some FOTM bandwagoner. |
M1k3y Koontz
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:32:00 -
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Everything has been nerfed to kingdom come, get back to the reason the races are different, VARIETY! Everything has been nerfed so much at this point that there is little reason to train one race over the other, since they all have to be "balanced". All ships will excel at something, find a way out counter it, evolve, or die.
Except the drake which was a freak of nature.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:26:00 -
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Achuras Online is why the races are mostly the same. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.17 01:39:00 -
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It could be neat to see them make instead of making our characters att / skillwise different if they add legacy ships in way of having different noob ships depending on your bloodlines, or even more useful like ships, not necessarily exclusive to the others, just yours until someone gives it up. And no, I'm not thinking SWTOR legacy, just some custom looking ships that are inspired by bloodlines. *shrugs* |
Belthazor4011
Battle BV
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:04:00 -
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Terron Kerrix wrote:What do you think?
I mainly think its shocking how many people agree with you and therefor agree with you. Its really sad to be honest.
Races allow for different concepts, allows for factional warfare and different NPC opponents to just name a few quickly.
I mean is Armor tanking equal to Shield tanking?
Is firing missles the same as blasters?
Are autocannons and lazors really the same?
Are neut bonussed ships the same as web bonussed ships?
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. If you really believe all races and ships are equal I cant help you. No one can, all I can say is find another game and can I haz your stuffz please?
Thanks in advance. |
Cambarus
Baros Reloaded
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:39:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Avatar aesthetics and about 12hr or so head start in training. In the old times races and the society selections made a big difference. But too many complaints that they got "balanced " into irrelevance.
Do keep this in mind when vociferously calling for nerfs in the name of balance. We might just end up with ships only differentiated by aesthetics too. Races were made the same because for the longest time there were 2 options: Make an achura, or make something that's not as good as an achura. The initial differences in stats, at the time the only difference between the races aside from aesthetics, was big enough that unless you wanted to avoid skill sets for things like weapons and ships, there was one clear winner and everything else was sub-par.
Plus one of the core aspects of eve is that you can crosstrain into anything and be equally effective in it, it's one of the things that separates it from other MMOs. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:52:00 -
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You're an immortal Capsuleer, the elite of the elite, and god-like in ability. You are free of most societal constraints and limitations, unless you choose to let them limit you.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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