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Exquisite Luxury	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:09:00 - [1] [quote EVE FAQ]Subscription rates for credit card users: Europe Cost/month* Total cost* 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95 3-month-plan Ç 12.95 Ç 38.85 6-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 71.70 12-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 131.40 * VAT included Outside Europe Cost/month Total cost 1-month-plan $ 14.95 $ 14.95 3-month-plan $ 12.95 $ 38.85 6-month-plan $ 11.95 $ 71.70 12-month-plan $ 10.95 $ 131.40 Taking into account that 1Euro= 1.59$ why do Europeans have to pay 156% more then Americans for the same subscription and same service???? Is it even legal to do so and if so isn't there a way for Europeans to get arround this?
fencer35	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:19:00 - [2] Why do we in Europe pay more .......absolutely no idea. Didnt take me long to realise though started paying by buying time codes in US$ ....thus making an instant saving !!!
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:41:00 - [3] Always trying to reason in your advantage.... has it ever crossed your mind that it's the other way round, that the US guys (and people buying GTC's) pay TOO LITTLE, because the folks on the other side of the ocean can't handle their cashflow?
Exquisite Luxury	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Tzar'rim Always trying to reason in your advantage.... has it ever crossed your mind that it's the other way round, that the US guys (and people buying GTC's) pay TOO LITTLE, because the folks on the other side of the ocean can't handle their cashflow? Ofcourse yes if you would want every american to pay 1.5x more for his subscription and have half of them quit EVE..... That would be smart
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Tzar'rim Always trying to reason in your advantage.... has it ever crossed your mind that it's the other way round, that the US guys (and people buying GTC's) pay TOO LITTLE, because the folks on the other side of the ocean can't handle their cashflow? The problems with the US dollar is because of things down 10-15 years ago within our banking system. If we didn't change our banking system to allow those mistakes to happen, our issues would have never have happen. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=463121 Please make sure all your signatures are all within the forum guidelines for height, width, size and content - Atropos
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:35:00 - [6] 1) The Euro price includes VAT, which accounts for about half the price difference. 2) The Dollar has been dropping like a rock. 3) Buy GTCs in dollars to get around it. CCP just increased the price of GTCs by 50%, probably because a lot of people had this great idea. Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/JCs) just 120M isk!
MarleWH	Posted - 2008.07.13 18:51:00 - [7] CAUSE AMERICA ROCKS WOOOOOOOOO
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 22:40:00 - [8] Feel free to elect an idiot without a clue about fiscal responsibility, and you'll be paying as much, or less, than us in no time. It's what we did. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Securitas Protector principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.13 23:56:00 - [9] Hey, F'nog, at least our idiot of a president did one good thing...he made us pay less for EVE! Third term FTW!
Purtonias Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.14 21:32:00 - [10] Edited by: Purtonias on 14/07/2008 21:32:50 have to admit i do the same and purchase us timecodes in europe, easy .. even buying the current $ priced GTC from us retailers over a period of time the savings will mount up..
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.14 21:55:00 - [11] they don't work it out on a one-to-one basis, it's done to industry standards. in the US most MMOG's have a $15 a month subscription and i haven't lived in the UK since 95 so i don't know for sure, but i'm guessing that the monthly sub for an MMOG there is 15 quid? either way, the price of subscriptions in europe & the US aren't linked to each other, but to their own respective economies. This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Pesky LaRue they don't work it out on a one-to-one basis, it's done to industry standards. in the US most MMOG's have a $15 a month subscription and i haven't lived in the UK since 95 so i don't know for sure, but i'm guessing that the monthly sub for an MMOG there is 15 quid? either way, the price of subscriptions in europe & the US aren't linked to each other, but to their own respective economies. The prices are linked, or better, they were linked. Once upon a time every MMO charged in $. Then VAT for Europeans came into the picture because most MMO companies are (were) based in the US, and companies dealt by charging, technically, from within the EU and in Euros. The dollar and the euro were roughly the same back then, thus they just slapped a Ç in front of the 14.99 ( actually, for a while the companies charged like Ç12.99 or Ç13.99 but why not milk the last euro or two? ). In the end, it doesn't matter. European aren't paying more than they used to, unless they were taking advantage of the weak dollar and buying GTCs ( without paying taxes which is (accepted) tax fraud )). Americans aren't paying less because the US salaries aren't rising as fast as the dollar is dropping. The only people truly affected by this are the companies that charge 2 different currencies, and they are managing it fine by doing some creative bookkeeping... well, and the US game companies that will get their asses kicked once the EU trade commission catches on to the fact that videogames imported from the US are rising in price in the EU while the $ is dropping. Price cartels get big fines over here.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Pohbis Originally by: Pesky LaRue they don't work it out on a one-to-one basis, it's done to industry standards. in the US most MMOG's have a $15 a month subscription and i haven't lived in the UK since 95 so i don't know for sure, but i'm guessing that the monthly sub for an MMOG there is 15 quid? either way, the price of subscriptions in europe & the US aren't linked to each other, but to their own respective economies. The prices are linked, or better, they were linked. Once upon a time every MMO charged in $. what i meant, was that the prices aren't tied to each other in terms of CCP wanting to keep them fair and balanced - they don't say that the price will be X Icelandic Krona, and this translates to A Dollars and B Pounds and C Renminbi. They make a determination based on the local value of the product and that's what it costs in the local region. another example is starbucks - when i was in the UK a few years ago and the exchange rate was better, a venti latte cost me about 60% of what it cost me in the US, but when i was there recently the exchange rate was so awful that the price in pounds was basically the same as in dollars (both cost about 3.50) but due to the devaluation of the dollar, this meant that i was paying 3.50 pounds, which amounted to about 6 dollars, almost twice what i'd pay back in the US. when i was still livign in Europe is was significantly cheaper to buy my computer parts on the internet and have them shipped over - but i don't remember any posts on any forums saying "ZOMG IT'S CHEAPER TO BUY FROM NEWEGG.COM IF I LIVE IN EUROPE, ZOMG, NEWEGG.COM NEED TO ADJUST THEIR PRICES" This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.15 15:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Pohbis In the end, it doesn't matter. European aren't paying more than they used to, unless they were taking advantage of the weak dollar and buying GTCs ( without paying taxes which is (accepted) tax fraud )). Americans aren't paying less because the US salaries aren't rising as fast as the dollar is dropping. That sums it up perfectly, by the way :) This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Markizah	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:41:00 - [15] Because when dollar was stronger, americans were paying more.
Exquisite Luxury	Posted - 2008.07.21 02:20:00 - [16] Edited by: Exquisite Luxury on 21/07/2008 02:20:41 its not just a 'LITTLE' more its freaking 150% of the REAL value... You americans wouldnt be dismissing this so easely if you had to pay 150% more of the price in Euro But I also think the actual reason is the plain lazyness of simply changing the $-sign in front of the number.. With a near equal conversion it doesnt matter much but with SUCH A HUGE difference it does! In the end all it does is chase more players away, is that what you want to happen to your EVE?
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.21 16:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Exquisite Luxury Edited by: Exquisite Luxury on 21/07/2008 02:20:41 its not just a 'LITTLE' more its freaking 150% of the REAL value... You americans wouldnt be dismissing this so easely if you had to pay 150% more of the price in Euro But I also think the actual reason is the plain lazyness of simply changing the $-sign in front of the number.. With a near equal conversion it doesnt matter much but with SUCH A HUGE difference it does! In the end all it does is chase more players away, is that what you want to happen to your EVE? you're still missing the point. it's not about the relative price to each other, it's about the relative price to the local market. i know, complicated stuff, please go back to just whining about it. This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.21 16:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Exquisite Luxury In the end all it does is chase more players away, is that what you want to happen to your EVE? How would NOT raising prices (that's the current situation) chase 'more' players away? Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/JCs) just 120M isk!
Slaver Hatastus	Posted - 2008.07.21 17:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Slaver Hatastus on 21/07/2008 17:01:01 Originally by: Exquisite Luxury You americans wouldnt be dismissing this so easely if you had to pay 150% more of the price in Euro i personally don't care WHAT the price equates to in Euro's - my subscription fee hasn't changed at ALL since i started playing in 2005 - and that's the only thing that i give a toss about. this might be a little above your comprehension level, but CCP aren't responsible for world economics and like someone else said, they're not - and have NEVER been - trying to balance the cost of EVE across every economic and geographic region. forget what it costs you in dollars, do YOU think the price of EVE is worth what you pay for it? that's really the only question here. if you DO, then stop whining like a little baby about how much it costs in another country, and if you DON'T, just quit.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.21 17:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Slaver Hatastus Edited by: Slaver Hatastus on 21/07/2008 17:01:01 Originally by: Exquisite Luxury You americans wouldnt be dismissing this so easely if you had to pay 150% more of the price in Euro i personally don't care WHAT the price equates to in Euro's - my subscription fee hasn't changed at ALL since i started playing in 2005 - and that's the only thing that i give a toss about. this might be a little above your comprehension level, but CCP aren't responsible for world economics and like someone else said, they're not - and have NEVER been - trying to balance the cost of EVE across every economic and geographic region. forget what it costs you in dollars, do YOU think the price of EVE is worth what you pay for it? that's really the only question here. if you DO, then stop whining like a little baby about how much it costs in another country, and if you DON'T, just quit. /thread
Nareth Mordonis	Posted - 2008.07.21 18:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Exquisite Luxury Edited by: Exquisite Luxury on 21/07/2008 02:20:41 its not just a 'LITTLE' more its freaking 150% of the REAL value... You americans wouldnt be dismissing this so easely if you had to pay 150% more of the price in Euro But I also think the actual reason is the plain lazyness of simply changing the $-sign in front of the number.. With a near equal conversion it doesnt matter much but with SUCH A HUGE difference it does! In the end all it does is chase more players away, is that what you want to happen to your EVE? That's not true. I think a few people would complain, but for the most part if the Euro was worth 2/3 of the dollar instead of 1.5 and Americans still had to pay 15 dollars for the game I doubt many (if any) people would say anything. To most of us a dollar is a dollar. Call us backwards, or maybe it's a lacking of the American public education system, but the general populace does not associate the dollar with other country's currency. Meaning if it is 15 dollars here, that's all we care about. It could be 10 cents American in the UK for all we care (ok well if it was 10 cents people might say something).
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.21 18:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Nareth Mordonis Originally by: Exquisite Luxury Edited by: Exquisite Luxury on 21/07/2008 02:20:41 its not just a 'LITTLE' more its freaking 150% of the REAL value... You americans wouldnt be dismissing this so easely if you had to pay 150% more of the price in Euro But I also think the actual reason is the plain lazyness of simply changing the $-sign in front of the number.. With a near equal conversion it doesnt matter much but with SUCH A HUGE difference it does! In the end all it does is chase more players away, is that what you want to happen to your EVE? That's not true. I think a few people would complain, but for the most part if the Euro was worth 2/3 of the dollar instead of 1.5 and Americans still had to pay 15 dollars for the game I doubt many (if any) people would say anything. To most of us a dollar is a dollar. Call us backwards, or maybe it's a lacking of the American public education system, but the general populace does not associate the dollar with other country's currency. Meaning if it is 15 dollars here, that's all we care about. It could be 10 cents American in the UK for all we care (ok well if it was 10 cents people might say something). bingo. this isn't about what it costs anyone else to play in any other country, it's about what it costs YOU to play and if you think that's a fair price. If CCP hike the price up to $20 or more to compensate for a fluctuating world market then people in the US will absolutely quit, of that i'm sure, but it won't be because we're paying more than anyone else in another country, it'll be because the price is no longer equitable with the regional market. why am i suddenly going to agree to pay $20 for a game when every other game of the same type is only $15 or less? anyone that keeps whining and crying about this same issue needs to wake up a little, take a lesson in global economics and as someone else posted, ask themselves one question: regardless of what anyone else is paying anywhere else in the world, is EVE worth the monthly subscription to ME? This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Mkhai Vrekesh Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.21 23:34:00 - [23] shut it, you a-holes over there have a better living system all the way around, especially education. You pay more taxes, everyone pitches in more. While over here in the u.s. we slowly fall apart...just give us a little break with eve man!
Buff Plankchest	Posted - 2008.07.22 00:29:00 - [24] poor little dorks in china don't even get tranquility
Metaldog Bloodstone The Bloodstone Project Miners United	Posted - 2008.07.22 01:05:00 - [25] i should start paying with Canadian dollars, just to see if they notice the difference.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.07.22 01:23:00 - [26] stop thinking of money in cash think of it in how much money you make. they take 10% of our weeky pay for a week and they take 10% of your weeky pay a week. the cost of living is the same it just happens your money is better than ours.
Stormwind Bloodfeather Minmatar Sogdian Traders Inc	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:54:00 - [27] Originally by: F'nog Feel free to elect an idiot without a clue about fiscal responsibility, and you'll be paying as much, or less, than us in no time. It's what we did. o/ I endorse this message Storm In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy!

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