Originally by: General StarScream

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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a long time ago, when i was a littel less of a noob, i was in Xelas

and really funny how bob attacked 1 week befor the news of the new sov system, with cyno jammers.

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Originally by: TheAdj

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Originally by: TWD

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Only 400? That's quite disappointing. Better luck next time!

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Where have you been hiding sweetheart, I've missed you! Stop fake-scouting AZN and get up here so we can have talks like the old days.

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Originally by: Admiral Crom

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I don't wanna Hear anyone talk about CYNOJAMMERS being Overpowered. If so, and if Nerfed... Let go back to NOL and see who really would have won. BOB might have drooped to it's knee's. But what do I know!?!

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Originally by: Admiral Crom

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I don't wanna Hear anyone talk about CYNOJAMMERS being Overpowered. If so, and if Nerfed... Let go back to NOL and see who really would have won. BOB might have drooped to it's knee's. But what do I know!?!

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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Originally by: Alexios Komnenos

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Edited by: Alexios Komnenos on 14/07/2008 16:46:52

Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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CCP never has done an adequate job of coming clean after that incident. I also don't believe that Devs don't still intervene based on playing favorites, or their own ingame affiliations, and fact of the matter is that other than banning employees from playing on non company accounts so their behavior can be tracked nothing can prevent this.

The fact that T20 wasn't fired and the only punishment handed out was to the guy who exposed him alone gives CCP a serious lack of credibility and the impression that they really don't take this seriously.

The answer of course is transparency. The number of CCP employees in each corp/alliance should be public knowledge. Not their names, identity, etc, but the COUNT of how many there are in each corp/alliance. That way the employees have a reason to be cautious and play it fair, because if it's known that 15 devs are in "Alliance A" and zero in "Alliance B" if something funny happens with Dev intervention in a conflict between them then those questions will be asked, and such things won't be able to be gotten away with.

Fact of the matter is, I don't think that ANYONE seriously believes that the T20 scandal was the ONLY time Devs have stepped in to abuse their positions to help their own side. It was just the one where they got caught.

And yes, I do believe that BOB has foreknowledge of game changes. It's been leaking around for awhile that some mega nerf to cynojammers is coming.

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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Originally by: Alexios Komnenos

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Edited by: Alexios Komnenos on 14/07/2008 16:46:52

Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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CCP never has done an adequate job of coming clean after that incident. I also don't believe that Devs don't still intervene based on playing favorites, or their own ingame affiliations, and fact of the matter is that other than banning employees from playing on non company accounts so their behavior can be tracked nothing can prevent this.

The fact that T20 wasn't fired and the only punishment handed out was to the guy who exposed him alone gives CCP a serious lack of credibility and the impression that they really don't take this seriously.

The answer of course is transparency. The number of CCP employees in each corp/alliance should be public knowledge. Not their names, identity, etc, but the COUNT of how many there are in each corp/alliance. That way the employees have a reason to be cautious and play it fair, because if it's known that 15 devs are in "Alliance A" and zero in "Alliance B" if something funny happens with Dev intervention in a conflict between them then those questions will be asked, and such things won't be able to be gotten away with.

Fact of the matter is, I don't think that ANYONE seriously believes that the T20 scandal was the ONLY time Devs have stepped in to abuse their positions to help their own side. It was just the one where they got caught.

And yes, I do believe that BOB has foreknowledge of game changes. It's been leaking around for awhile that some mega nerf to cynojammers is coming.

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Originally by: Kaitou Shiroi

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See, everyone points at the losses BoB is taking in the MAX campaign, and I think that is part of the picture. But again, the goal (as far as I can ascertain) is to cause "Maximum damage and disruption." By this token, looking at sov changes from 10 July (the first day after the rollout) RA alone has lost/given up sov in at least 16 systems in the MAX area. They've also switched out pos mods so that there are less faction mods on certain poses, and even unanchored at least a few large faction poses (one of which a BoB fleet scooped up after I found it ).

So even if there is a large amount of losses in ships, the sheer disruption value of the campaign can't be denied. Not to mention, we're less than a week into this. I'd like to see where this goes from here.

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Originally by: Kaitou Shiroi

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RA alone has lost/given up sov in at least 16 systems in the MAX area.

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Originally by: Yuri Vladomirovic

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Lunas you are my first 8/10 troll, but u get +1 for trying to be a smartarse, and +1 for stupidity, thats 10/10, congratulation!!!

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Edited by: Tholarim on 14/07/2008 12:52:27

Originally by: hmmmmmmmm

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fact
yes,we lost over 600 ships in 4 days (300+BSS)
yes,we lost all inicil sop fleet
yes,we kill som fac 3-4 poss and take dys moons
but guys who cares
i like good fight and my brothers like good fight(escept my buddy HEY YOU ,he bether love to be on Adriatic see,drink beer in commpany of 2-3 Croatian girls)
soo...in fight somtimes we win som times we not..
but we have high moral and spirit
only i hope thet LAG godess will have more mercy next time
see u all in space
eng. is not my nativ lang.:P

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dude, what?

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Originally by: Kaitou Shiroi

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See, everyone points at the losses BoB is taking in the MAX campaign, and I think that is part of the picture. But again, the goal (as far as I can ascertain) is to cause "Maximum damage and disruption." By this token, looking at sov changes from 10 July (the first day after the rollout) RA alone has lost/given up sov in at least 16 systems in the MAX area. They've also switched out pos mods so that there are less faction mods on certain poses, and even unanchored at least a few large faction poses (one of which a BoB fleet scooped up after I found it ).

So even if there is a large amount of losses in ships, the sheer disruption value of the campaign can't be denied. Not to mention, we're less than a week into this. I'd like to see where this goes from here.

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Originally by: TWD

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Cynojammers are obviously overpowered obviously.

Don't worry though, they'll get fixed soon (tm).

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Originally by: Moran Trayga

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You know that a dev said when they ran a check to see which devs were where, they found that goons had the most devs.

Also, if you know that it has been "leaking around for a while" that there is a cyno jammer nerf coming, why couldnt BoB have heard these rumours too and acted on them? Or are you saying a dev told you? I mean there are so many holes in your argument I could go on for hours here...

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Originally by: Alexios Komnenos

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Claiming that they can't be destroyed against a determined defense is bullshit. I've seen it done to my side, and I've been part of a fleet that destroyed one. People who whine about cynojammers are really no less crying carebears than those who whine about nanos, etc. Suck it up, and bring a fleet to do the job. Taking a system that someone has Sov 3 in is hard if it's defended properly with jammers/deathstar pos's/jump bridges BECAUSE ITS SUPPOSED TO BE HARD!

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Originally by: Jennai

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I don't think CCP intended 0.0 warfare to turn into this WW1-in-space stalemate where it takes weeks and vast numbers of casualties to make a tiny advance that will probably be lost to the next day's counterattack.

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Originally by: Jita Mistress

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Originally by: Jennai

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I don't think CCP intended 0.0 warfare to turn into this WW1-in-space stalemate where it takes weeks and vast numbers of casualties to make a tiny advance that will probably be lost to the next day's counterattack.

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That's CCP's fault for letting Eve turn into Capital Ships online. It's completely broken, ridiculous, and unbalanced.

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Originally by: Jita Mistress

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Originally by: Jennai

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I don't think CCP intended 0.0 warfare to turn into this WW1-in-space stalemate where it takes weeks and vast numbers of casualties to make a tiny advance that will probably be lost to the next day's counterattack.

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That's CCP's fault for letting Eve turn into Capital Ships online. It's completely broken, ridiculous, and unbalanced.

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Here is the problem, Bob feel like they should be able to jump in "Max" capitals and own any system within in a nights worth of work, Creating "Max" damage. yes Eve has crossed a line where the biggest cap fleet wins. Caps are cheap, especially since the game has been deployed for many years. But i do think the Devs of Eve realized this and decided the easiest way to remedy this was... CynoJammers.

So Bob, continue to build your cap fleet until we can't count the number of caps on the field without pulling out that dusty old calculator. The fact remains that in-order to protect alliances from the cap blob, there are cyno jammers. This is not an issue with proper Trained Fc's that are willing to suicide entire fleets of hundreds to take down one cyno jammer.. If this game was easy to dominate then everyone would play it.

So my two cents for both sides of this Max damage war, Sit down, shut up and get ready to lose some ships.. that is the only way systems are won. regardless who you are. Battles are not won on the forums, no matter how hard either side tries. also, alliances and corps need to stop looking to CCP to Change the game every time they lose an engagement, change your tactics and adapt or become extinct, the simple rules of life and evolution.

ohh ya, The north is still waiting for their opportunity to post a little morale booster for all to see when you log on.. just saying, kinda one sided to allow one side to post about how perfect they are. Shows the Eve community that CCP does really favor one side.

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Originally by: Phantasmo

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I agree. DELETE ALL CAPITAL SHIPS. Every single one of them.

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Originally by: Tyra Ba'aleron

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Edited by: Tyra Ba''aleron on 15/07/2008 04:33:50
I think you forgot your Corp/Alliance rules fake taffun, prepare for an asshumping.

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