Originally by: TWD

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Indeed rgreat.

Also, I've come to the conclusion that OP is a GBC alt. Another thread about BoB for the lols.

Just try to proof me wrong. I doubt the OP has the balls to reveal his GBC alt though.

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Originally by: TWD

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Why try it the hard way when you can do it the easy way? i.e. MSN?

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Originally by: TWD

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Cynojammers are obviously overpowered obviously.

Don't worry though, they'll get fixed soon (tm).

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Originally by: enjoi

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bob loses 26 ships, it's a massacre!

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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I see over 400 GBC (BS ONLY) losses in 4 days.

Anyone wanna dispute that ????

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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400 * 100mil you cna build 2 Titans from that alone

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Quoting someone who's never heard of insurance.

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Quoting someone who gets fitting reimbursed from insurance.

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Quoting someone who has no in-house T2 production... Otherwise I hear it's pretty cheap.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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400 * 100mil you cna build 2 Titans from that alone

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Quoting someone who's never heard of insurance.

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Quoting someone who gets fitting reimbursed from insurance.

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Quoting someone who has no in-house T2 production... Otherwise I hear it's pretty cheap.

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Quoting some1 who aperently dont get how EVE works. But lat me explain it really easy.. In order to fly a bs with fitting you need to build the bloddy ships and the fitting out of minerals. Get it??

So if you multiply 400 with Tier 2 BS mineral amount and normal Tech II Fleet fitting You got enough Mineral to build 2 Titans..

Is this so hard to understand???

So i dotn really get why you are talkign about insurance when it doesnt matter at all.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Quoting some1 who aperently dont get how EVE works. But lat me explain it really easy.. In order to fly a bs with fitting you need to build the bloddy ships and the fitting out of minerals. Get it??

So if you multiply 400 with Tier 2 BS mineral amount and normal Tech II Fleet fitting You got enough Mineral to build 2 Titans..

Is this so hard to understand???

So i dotn really get why you are talkign about insurance when it doesnt matter at all.

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Well, because insurance will pay for the ships? Or are you talking logistics here? I'd say BoB's got that covered. Otherwise they can probably just pick up some Battleships for cheap in Jita. Not too far, and insurance will pay for most of it.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Quoting some1 who aperently dont get how EVE works. But lat me explain it really easy.. In order to fly a bs with fitting you need to build the bloddy ships and the fitting out of minerals. Get it??

So if you multiply 400 with Tier 2 BS mineral amount and normal Tech II Fleet fitting You got enough Mineral to build 2 Titans..

Is this so hard to understand???

So i dotn really get why you are talkign about insurance when it doesnt matter at all.

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Well, because insurance will pay for the ships? Or are you talking logistics here? I'd say BoB's got that covered. Otherwise they can probably just pick up some Battleships for cheap in Jita. Not too far, and insurance will pay for most of it.

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Originally by: Tifa Lionheart

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Insurance can never pay for being owned

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Yuo still dont get it do you?? Im talking about the amount of minerals you need to build 400 bs and Tech II fitting..

If you take that amount instead of building 400 BS and Tech II fitting you would ahve enough minerals to build 2 Titans.

Its really simple to understand.

So saying 400 bs doesnt matter and are so 2006 is bullshit becuase you could build 2 Titans from the mineral amount alone.

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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As far as I understand MC rolled up this space in a few days and yet BOB has made absolutely zero gains and lost 100's of ships, it's probably over a 1000 and NO that is not an exaggeration.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Tifa Lionheart

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Insurance can never pay for being owned

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That is true. I bet when the north finally gets steamrolled they will all sit back and high five each other, remenissing on how they 'owned' the GBC at the beginning of MAX.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Yuo still dont get it do you?? Im talking about the amount of minerals you need to build 400 bs and Tech II fitting..

If you take that amount instead of building 400 BS and Tech II fitting you would ahve enough minerals to build 2 Titans.

Its really simple to understand.

So saying 400 bs doesnt matter and are so 2006 is bullshit becuase you could build 2 Titans from the mineral amount alone.

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You haven't finished high-school yet, right? Otherwise I'm not sure how you could be so dumb, unless you're ******ed.

Yes, to build that many BS you need lots of minerals. That could be a problem if there where no miners in the game. Since there are miners, ship builders and traders, it's not really a problem. All you need to get one of those BSs is isk. BoB has isk. BoB gets isk when they lose a BS because of insurance. Hence, there is no problem.

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Originally by: Tifa Lionheart

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Well I dont really give a sh1t about this but if you cant fly your ship you dont deserve to be in it and i'm sick of reading how good all these bob guys are and from these kb, they are sh1t and if it wasnt for al this isk they would stay sh1t

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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wow you need a hug dear log on you BOB main so I can come TS and give you a big hug since you seem so angry

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Originally by: Minyon

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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As far as I understand MC rolled up this space in a few days and yet BOB has made absolutely zero gains and lost 100's of ships, it's probably over a 1000 and NO that is not an exaggeration.

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You cant really compear the progress of the two campains like that, saying that BoB should of done better than the MC for several reasons.

Firstly if im right i don't think that cyno jamers were around at the time of the MC invasion. This give the defending alliance a big advantage as you cant just jump 100 dreads in like they did anymore.

The NC at the time was all over the place fighting of attacks from all sides like razor was fighting t.i.t.s and tri.

The NC also has much nore titans than it did, and with no risk of a capital ambush they can use them with much less risk.

Also an improtant point is that so what if bob lost 1000 battleships/hacs/whatever they are very rich so this is nothing to them its less than 1 ship each

Just because a couple battles didn't go so well is no reason to give-up.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Yuo still dont get it do you?? Im talking about the amount of minerals you need to build 400 bs and Tech II fitting..

If you take that amount instead of building 400 BS and Tech II fitting you would ahve enough minerals to build 2 Titans.

Its really simple to understand.

So saying 400 bs doesnt matter and are so 2006 is bullshit becuase you could build 2 Titans from the mineral amount alone.

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You haven't finished high-school yet, right? Otherwise I'm not sure how you could be so dumb, unless you're ******ed.

Yes, to build that many BS you need lots of minerals. That could be a problem if there where no miners in the game. Since there are miners, ship builders and traders, it's not really a problem. All you need to get one of those BSs is isk. BoB has isk. BoB gets isk when they lose a BS because of insurance. Hence, there is no problem.

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Originally by: Kaeten

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ddue lol, even i get what hes saying

look at it like this instead.

insurance = 30mil
fitting = 70mil
100mil walla, get it now?

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Kaeten

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ddue lol, even i get what hes saying

look at it like this instead.

insurance = 30mil
fitting = 70mil
100mil walla, get it now?

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So, what you are saying is that insurance barely covers fitting and insurance on your new ship?

You know that T2 prices have gone down lately, right? You also know that as BoB manufactures most of it in house it's even cheaper, right? If that's what he's saying it's still pretty stupid.

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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What price would you put on getting owned seven times, minimum, in a row ?

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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What price would you put on getting owned seven times, minimum, in a row ?

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Depends on wether or not they get that cyno-jammer down in the end.

If they do, those BS losses are pretty cheap.

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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well, apparently. it ain't down, so i guess you beter keep bringing those bs, cheap, dear or faction....

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Originally by: Ki An

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Edited by: Ki An on 14/07/2008 00:15:24

Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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well, apparently. it ain't down, so i guess you beter keep bringing those bs, cheap, dear or faction....

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Yet.

When it is, noone's coming to save you.

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Originally by: smitor

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200 or 300 battleships with logistics can quickly kill a cyno jammer

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Originally by: TWD

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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I see over 400 GBC (BS ONLY) losses in 4 days.

Anyone wanna dispute that ????

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Only 400? That's quite disappointing. Better luck next time!

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Originally by: Shadow Saint

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I thought that BOB took down a cynojammer earlier today?

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Originally by: TWD

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Cynojammers are obviously overpowered obviously.

Don't worry though, they'll get fixed soon (tm)

Why try it the hard way when you can do it the easy way? i.e. MSN?.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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The other thing I don't get is why NCC and Redswarm don't leap at the chance to take out all of BoB's capitals when they're lurking in systems that are Redswarm / NCC friendly? We keep being told how many titans RA and allies have, and that they all stand shoulder to shoulder no matter what.

I'd have thought they'd be creaming themselves at the opportunity to wipe out all of BoB's main cap fleet in one night.

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Originally by: Halkin

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bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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Lemme guess,

Any cyno nerf that may or may not come is result of BoB's dev contacts etc and not the 7 straight months of RSF whinging about cyno jammers being over powered?

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Originally by: Local Her0

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well i hope they dont wipe em out anytime soon, because uh see your self, everyones having fun, even bob loves the spanking they're getting lol.

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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Lemme guess,

Any cyno nerf that may or may not come is result of BoB's dev contacts etc and not the 7 straight months of RSF whinging about cyno jammers being over powered?

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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wasn't QY6 a cynojammed system, that goons took ?

Didn't smashkill have cyno jammed systems ?

I think you are missing the point, to take a cynojammed system you need to have a 'plan', one that doesn't involve suiciding your fleet, or jumping into dead end systems....

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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400 * 100mil you cna build 2 Titans from that alone

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Quoting someone who's never heard of insurance.

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Quoting someone who gets fitting reimbursed from insurance.

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Quoting someone who has no in-house T2 production... Otherwise I hear it's pretty cheap.

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 13/07/2008 23:41:27

Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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400 * 100mil you cna build 2 Titans from that alone

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Quoting someone who's never heard of insurance.

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Quoting someone who gets fitting reimbursed from insurance.

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Quoting someone who has no in-house T2 production... Otherwise I hear it's pretty cheap.

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Quoting some1 who aperently dont get how EVE works. But lat me explain it really easy.. In order to fly a bs with fitting you need to build the bloddy ships and the fitting out of minerals. Get it??

So if you multiply 400 with Tier 2 BS mineral amount and normal Tech II Fleet fitting You got enough Mineral to build 2 Titans..

Is this so hard to understand???

So i dotn really get why you are talkign about insurance when it doesnt matter at all.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Edited by: Ki An on 14/07/2008 00:15:24

Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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well, apparently. it ain't down, so i guess you beter keep bringing those bs, cheap, dear or faction....

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Yet.

When it is, noone's coming to save you.

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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If you do have a 12 inch thing

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Originally by: Ki An

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You know that T2 prices have gone down lately, right? You also know that as BoB manufactures most of it in house it's even cheaper, right?

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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stuff

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Originally by: Jennai

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QY6 was the only success out of the dozens of attempts on jammers in Delve. it doesn't matter how much you plan, you're not going to take down a jammer with a bridge and titans if the defenders are on the ball.

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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wasn't QY6 a cynojammed system, that goons took ?

Didn't smashkill have cyno jammed systems ?

I think you are missing the point, to take a cynojammed system you need to have a 'plan', one that doesn't involve suiciding your fleet, or jumping into dead end systems....

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Originally by: Ur235

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Will you all just shut up. Bob are having fun end of story

Nothing else matters is a game after all and yes there is fun in death (i think so anyway)

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Originally by: Tifa Lionheart

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Insurance can never pay for being owned

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Originally by: Lord WarATron

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This insurance talk is funny. Its almost as funny the fact that hostile pos's are getting blown up or taken while they unanchor them, since people do not want risk claiming insurance to defend it.

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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 14/07/2008 10:49:59

Originally by: Jennai

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QY6 was the only success out of the dozens of attempts on jammers in Delve. it doesn't matter how much you plan, you're not going to take down a jammer with a bridge and titans if the defenders are on the ball.

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Took down the NOL one too actually, and several other cyno jammers as I recall it, problem wasn't really getting them down so much as capitalizing on it and following through, although difficulties and losses in taking them down did contribute significantly to lack of participation and commitment when they did actually go down ;P

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Originally by: Lady Yevon

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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400 * 100mil you cna build 2 Titans from that alone

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Quoting someone who's never heard of insurance.

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Quoting someone who gets fitting reimbursed from insurance.

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Quoting someone who has no in-house T2 production... Otherwise I hear it's pretty cheap.

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Quoting someone who may or may not have been mislead and definately been battered several times in a row

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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Lemme guess,

Any cyno nerf that may or may not come is result of BoB's dev contacts etc and not the 7 straight months of RSF whinging about cyno jammers being over powered?

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Originally by: hmmmmmmmm

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fact
yes,we lost over 600 ships in 4 days (300+BSS)
yes,we lost all inicil sop fleet
yes,we kill som fac 3-4 poss and take dys moons
but guys who cares
i like good fight and my brothers like good fight(escept my buddy HEY YOU ,he bether love to be on Adriatic see,drink beer in commpany of 2-3 Croatian girls)
soo...in fight somtimes we win som times we not..
but we have high moral and spirit
only i hope thet LAG godess will have more mercy next time
see u all in space
eng. is not my nativ lang.:P

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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You either have the 12 inch thing, or you don't have a 12 inch thing.

If you don't have a 12 inch thing then don't tell everyone that you do have a 12 inch thing.

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Originally by: Saba Quiestador

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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You either have the 12 inch thing, or you don't have a 12 inch thing.

If you don't have a 12 inch thing then don't tell everyone that you do have a 12 inch thing.

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I have a 12 inch thing. Here's the proof.

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Originally by: hmmmmmmmm

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fact
yes,we lost over 600 ships in 4 days (300+BSS)
yes,we lost all inicil sop fleet
yes,we kill som fac 3-4 poss and take dys moons
but guys who cares
i like good fight and my brothers like good fight(escept my buddy HEY YOU ,he bether love to be on Adriatic see,drink beer in commpany of 2-3 Croatian girls)
soo...in fight somtimes we win som times we not..
but we have high moral and spirit
only i hope thet LAG godess will have more mercy next time
see u all in space
eng. is not my nativ lang.:P

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Originally by: TWD

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Cynojammers are obviously overpowered obviously.

Don't worry though, they'll get fixed soon (tm).

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Originally by: Nick Curso

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Posting as someone whos insurence covers bs and fitting.

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Originally by: titanstory

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Originally by: TWD

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Cynojammers are obviously overpowered obviously.

Don't worry though, they'll get fixed soon (tm).

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when you cant do what you want in this game, CCP help you, its patetic, really.

for op: sorry for the report, was a wrong click :/

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

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Stop being an idiot and spreading nasty rumours which lack completely any basis. This is damaging only Eve. If that is your goal - go ahead.

But if you don't have more 'facts' than some bobbits mocking goons in saying 'yeah, we are just right now talking to the dev, cynojammer nerf next week' then shut the **** up.

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Originally by: TWD

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Awww Dracorimus, don't be like that :(((((((

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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Originally by: General StarScream

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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a long time ago, when i was a littel less of a noob, i was in Xelas

and really funny how bob attacked 1 week befor the news of the new sov system, with cyno jammers.

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Originally by: TheAdj

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Originally by: TWD

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Only 400? That's quite disappointing. Better luck next time!

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Where have you been hiding sweetheart, I've missed you! Stop fake-scouting AZN and get up here so we can have talks like the old days.

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Originally by: Admiral Crom

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I don't wanna Hear anyone talk about CYNOJAMMERS being Overpowered. If so, and if Nerfed... Let go back to NOL and see who really would have won. BOB might have drooped to it's knee's. But what do I know!?!

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Originally by: Admiral Crom

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I don't wanna Hear anyone talk about CYNOJAMMERS being Overpowered. If so, and if Nerfed... Let go back to NOL and see who really would have won. BOB might have drooped to it's knee's. But what do I know!?!

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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Originally by: Alexios Komnenos

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Edited by: Alexios Komnenos on 14/07/2008 16:46:52

Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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CCP never has done an adequate job of coming clean after that incident. I also don't believe that Devs don't still intervene based on playing favorites, or their own ingame affiliations, and fact of the matter is that other than banning employees from playing on non company accounts so their behavior can be tracked nothing can prevent this.

The fact that T20 wasn't fired and the only punishment handed out was to the guy who exposed him alone gives CCP a serious lack of credibility and the impression that they really don't take this seriously.

The answer of course is transparency. The number of CCP employees in each corp/alliance should be public knowledge. Not their names, identity, etc, but the COUNT of how many there are in each corp/alliance. That way the employees have a reason to be cautious and play it fair, because if it's known that 15 devs are in "Alliance A" and zero in "Alliance B" if something funny happens with Dev intervention in a conflict between them then those questions will be asked, and such things won't be able to be gotten away with.

Fact of the matter is, I don't think that ANYONE seriously believes that the T20 scandal was the ONLY time Devs have stepped in to abuse their positions to help their own side. It was just the one where they got caught.

And yes, I do believe that BOB has foreknowledge of game changes. It's been leaking around for awhile that some mega nerf to cynojammers is coming.

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Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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Originally by: Alexios Komnenos

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Edited by: Alexios Komnenos on 14/07/2008 16:46:52

Originally by: Dracorimus

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If this happens and bob do advance with pre-knowledge of cynojammer nerf, then I think I'm gonna stop playing as there will be no point.....

My stuff, no you cant, its being melted if I go along with this char

BTW, im an ex-bob char for over 2-3 years, and feel very unhappy that one group can get what they want in a game by contacting devs...or cheating (T20).

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CCP never has done an adequate job of coming clean after that incident. I also don't believe that Devs don't still intervene based on playing favorites, or their own ingame affiliations, and fact of the matter is that other than banning employees from playing on non company accounts so their behavior can be tracked nothing can prevent this.

The fact that T20 wasn't fired and the only punishment handed out was to the guy who exposed him alone gives CCP a serious lack of credibility and the impression that they really don't take this seriously.

The answer of course is transparency. The number of CCP employees in each corp/alliance should be public knowledge. Not their names, identity, etc, but the COUNT of how many there are in each corp/alliance. That way the employees have a reason to be cautious and play it fair, because if it's known that 15 devs are in "Alliance A" and zero in "Alliance B" if something funny happens with Dev intervention in a conflict between them then those questions will be asked, and such things won't be able to be gotten away with.

Fact of the matter is, I don't think that ANYONE seriously believes that the T20 scandal was the ONLY time Devs have stepped in to abuse their positions to help their own side. It was just the one where they got caught.

And yes, I do believe that BOB has foreknowledge of game changes. It's been leaking around for awhile that some mega nerf to cynojammers is coming.

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Originally by: Kaitou Shiroi

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See, everyone points at the losses BoB is taking in the MAX campaign, and I think that is part of the picture. But again, the goal (as far as I can ascertain) is to cause "Maximum damage and disruption." By this token, looking at sov changes from 10 July (the first day after the rollout) RA alone has lost/given up sov in at least 16 systems in the MAX area. They've also switched out pos mods so that there are less faction mods on certain poses, and even unanchored at least a few large faction poses (one of which a BoB fleet scooped up after I found it ).

So even if there is a large amount of losses in ships, the sheer disruption value of the campaign can't be denied. Not to mention, we're less than a week into this. I'd like to see where this goes from here.

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Originally by: Kaitou Shiroi

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RA alone has lost/given up sov in at least 16 systems in the MAX area.

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Originally by: Yuri Vladomirovic

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Lunas you are my first 8/10 troll, but u get +1 for trying to be a smartarse, and +1 for stupidity, thats 10/10, congratulation!!!

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Edited by: Tholarim on 14/07/2008 12:52:27

Originally by: hmmmmmmmm

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fact
yes,we lost over 600 ships in 4 days (300+BSS)
yes,we lost all inicil sop fleet
yes,we kill som fac 3-4 poss and take dys moons
but guys who cares
i like good fight and my brothers like good fight(escept my buddy HEY YOU ,he bether love to be on Adriatic see,drink beer in commpany of 2-3 Croatian girls)
soo...in fight somtimes we win som times we not..
but we have high moral and spirit
only i hope thet LAG godess will have more mercy next time
see u all in space
eng. is not my nativ lang.:P

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dude, what?

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Originally by: Kaitou Shiroi

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See, everyone points at the losses BoB is taking in the MAX campaign, and I think that is part of the picture. But again, the goal (as far as I can ascertain) is to cause "Maximum damage and disruption." By this token, looking at sov changes from 10 July (the first day after the rollout) RA alone has lost/given up sov in at least 16 systems in the MAX area. They've also switched out pos mods so that there are less faction mods on certain poses, and even unanchored at least a few large faction poses (one of which a BoB fleet scooped up after I found it ).

So even if there is a large amount of losses in ships, the sheer disruption value of the campaign can't be denied. Not to mention, we're less than a week into this. I'd like to see where this goes from here.

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Originally by: TWD

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Cynojammers are obviously overpowered obviously.

Don't worry though, they'll get fixed soon (tm).

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Originally by: Moran Trayga

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You know that a dev said when they ran a check to see which devs were where, they found that goons had the most devs.

Also, if you know that it has been "leaking around for a while" that there is a cyno jammer nerf coming, why couldnt BoB have heard these rumours too and acted on them? Or are you saying a dev told you? I mean there are so many holes in your argument I could go on for hours here...

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Originally by: Alexios Komnenos

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Claiming that they can't be destroyed against a determined defense is bullshit. I've seen it done to my side, and I've been part of a fleet that destroyed one. People who whine about cynojammers are really no less crying carebears than those who whine about nanos, etc. Suck it up, and bring a fleet to do the job. Taking a system that someone has Sov 3 in is hard if it's defended properly with jammers/deathstar pos's/jump bridges BECAUSE ITS SUPPOSED TO BE HARD!

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Originally by: Jennai

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I don't think CCP intended 0.0 warfare to turn into this WW1-in-space stalemate where it takes weeks and vast numbers of casualties to make a tiny advance that will probably be lost to the next day's counterattack.

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Originally by: Jita Mistress

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Originally by: Jennai

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I don't think CCP intended 0.0 warfare to turn into this WW1-in-space stalemate where it takes weeks and vast numbers of casualties to make a tiny advance that will probably be lost to the next day's counterattack.

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That's CCP's fault for letting Eve turn into Capital Ships online. It's completely broken, ridiculous, and unbalanced.

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Originally by: Jita Mistress

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Originally by: Jennai

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I don't think CCP intended 0.0 warfare to turn into this WW1-in-space stalemate where it takes weeks and vast numbers of casualties to make a tiny advance that will probably be lost to the next day's counterattack.

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That's CCP's fault for letting Eve turn into Capital Ships online. It's completely broken, ridiculous, and unbalanced.

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Here is the problem, Bob feel like they should be able to jump in "Max" capitals and own any system within in a nights worth of work, Creating "Max" damage. yes Eve has crossed a line where the biggest cap fleet wins. Caps are cheap, especially since the game has been deployed for many years. But i do think the Devs of Eve realized this and decided the easiest way to remedy this was... CynoJammers.

So Bob, continue to build your cap fleet until we can't count the number of caps on the field without pulling out that dusty old calculator. The fact remains that in-order to protect alliances from the cap blob, there are cyno jammers. This is not an issue with proper Trained Fc's that are willing to suicide entire fleets of hundreds to take down one cyno jammer.. If this game was easy to dominate then everyone would play it.

So my two cents for both sides of this Max damage war, Sit down, shut up and get ready to lose some ships.. that is the only way systems are won. regardless who you are. Battles are not won on the forums, no matter how hard either side tries. also, alliances and corps need to stop looking to CCP to Change the game every time they lose an engagement, change your tactics and adapt or become extinct, the simple rules of life and evolution.

ohh ya, The north is still waiting for their opportunity to post a little morale booster for all to see when you log on.. just saying, kinda one sided to allow one side to post about how perfect they are. Shows the Eve community that CCP does really favor one side.

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Originally by: Phantasmo

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I agree. DELETE ALL CAPITAL SHIPS. Every single one of them.

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Originally by: Tyra Ba'aleron

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Edited by: Tyra Ba''aleron on 15/07/2008 04:33:50
I think you forgot your Corp/Alliance rules fake taffun, prepare for an asshumping.

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Originally by: The Cursed

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Hums if anyone would like to post anything of importance please do so. Everything IÆve read up to this point shows me nothing of a failure on this op. Bob is fighting a cap defended system with BS only and yes taking losses. IÆd like to see any alliance in eve make the same move and not take losses also. The loss of a BS is no diff then losing a t1 cruiser or frigate at this point. The payout is high and the loss is minimal. If we lost 600 command ships then IÆd say it was a big hit but were not.

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Originally by: The Cursed

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Bob is fighting a cap defended system with BS only and yes taking losses.

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Originally by: TWD

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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I see over 400 GBC (BS ONLY) losses in 4 days.

Anyone wanna dispute that ????

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Only 400? That's quite disappointing. Better luck next time!

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Originally by: JenDen

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Originally by: The Cursed

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Bob is fighting a cap defended system with BS only and yes taking losses.

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iirc certain people were trash-talking goons for doing quite the same thing.

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Originally by: Ztrain

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"His only regret is that he had so few to sacrifice...."

Z

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Originally by: Taffun

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Edited by: Taffun on 15/07/2008 04:28:14
Edited by: Taffun on 15/07/2008 04:17:42
Edited by: Taffun on 15/07/2008 04:16:45
Here is the problem, Bob feel like they should be able to jump in "Max" capitals and own any system within in a nights worth of work, Creating "Max" damage. yes Eve has crossed a line where the biggest cap fleet wins. Caps are cheap, especially since the game has been deployed for many years. But i do think the Devs of Eve realized this and decided the easiest way to remedy this was... CynoJammers.

So Bob, continue to build your cap fleet until we can't count the number of caps on the field without pulling out that dusty old calculator. The fact remains that in-order to protect alliances from the cap blob, there are cyno jammers. This is not an issue with proper Trained Fc's that are willing to suicide entire fleets of hundreds to take down one cyno jammer.. If this game was easy to dominate then everyone would play it.

So my two cents for both sides of this Max damage war, Sit down, shut up and get ready to lose some ships.. that is the only way systems are won. regardless who you are. Battles are not won on the forums, no matter how hard either side tries. also, alliances and corps need to stop looking to CCP to Change the game every time they lose an engagement, change your tactics and adapt or become extinct, the simple rules of life and evolution.

ohh ya, The north is still waiting for their opportunity to post a little morale booster for all to see when you log on.. just saying, kinda one sided to allow one side to post about how perfect they are. Shows the Eve community that CCP does really favor one side.

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Originally by: JenDen

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Originally by: The Cursed

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Bob is fighting a cap defended system with BS only and yes taking losses.

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iirc certain people were trash-talking goons for doing quite the same thing.

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Originally by: Tolsimir Wolfblood

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Seriously stop posting all this crap on whats going to happen or whats not going to happen. Log on, get in a ship and join the fun. This is a game after all.

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Originally by: Tolsimir Wolfblood

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Seriously stop posting all this crap on whats going to happen or whats not going to happen. Log on, get in a ship and join the fun. This is a game after all.

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Originally by: Naabata

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With all the BOB Mains posting to block sensible reading of Facts I need to point out a few Facts:

when the NC NAP fest and friends assaulted QY6 in Delve and gained control [took out the BOB cyno jammers] after heavy fighting and losses. BoB was sitting back and smiling .....After enjoying the Cyno Jammers introduced to the game.

Now BoB has advance knowledge about CCP thinking Cyon Jammers are too good at stopping invading fleets making invasion boring. Well CCP is CHANGING the game And Nerfing Cyno Jammers to do the same in FAVOR of BOB . Now at the beginning of this MAX thing.

Again I repeat: "Maximum Damage" [in favor of BOB]

Cyno Jammer Nerf is on the way because "Maximum Damage" Can't happen or be successful without a Cyno Jammer Nerf....

Leave Game mechanics alone DAMN IT If BOB is so Great, let them do this ON THE SAME TERMS AS THE BATTLES OF QY6 AND NOL.....

Eliminate Favoritism ....and cheating

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Originally by: Naabata

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Tear it apart.

Or can't you type more than one sentence or smack me.

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Originally by: Naabata

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Edited by: Naabata on 15/07/2008 15:01:39
Tear it apart, I dare you or stfu .

EXPLAIN how I am not intelligent. Address all my points and try not to smack

lol!!


Nah, Not Super spys we Sabotage that's different.

Post with your Main.




Maturity is not in your experience I guess.

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Originally by: TWD

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Why are people getting upset about a possible upcoming cynojammer nerf?

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Originally by: Naabata

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"Your points where adressed in my first response to you. You saw it as smack. That proved that you're not intelligent.

That answer your questions?" you spelled address wrong.

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Originally by: Naabata

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You did not address any of my points because many are the truth. Real intelligence is the truth. Tear it apart or stfu .

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Originally by: Naabata

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TWD response is one hell of a label of sensitivity to this topic.

You my friend are also.

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Originally by: Naabata

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You didn't address any of my points period everyone that read this thread since your post sees this so I will be the guy who stfu now till you make a Valid response to my original set of observations.

"enjoy your afterlife"

PWNED

hehe

Naabata cloaks

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Originally by: General Windypops

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The other thing I don't get is why NCC and Redswarm don't leap at the chance to take out all of BoB's capitals when they're lurking in systems that are Redswarm / NCC friendly? We keep being told how many titans RA and allies have, and that they all stand shoulder to shoulder no matter what.

I'd have thought they'd be creaming themselves at the opportunity to wipe out all of BoB's main cap fleet in one night.

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Originally by: TWD

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Why are people getting upset about a possible upcoming cynojammer nerf?

Isn't that what you wanted all these months?

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

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Originally by: General Windypops

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I must admit, this particular 'BoB alt' is pretty upset. It's not every day that you conclusively lose the hard earned title of Worst Poster on CAOD to some super sikrit guy you've never even heard of.

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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus

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BoB asking for respect for their losses is pretty lol

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Originally by: Naabata

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Why is lag the Greatest when BoB is in the area anyway? No other group seems to create that kind of Lag.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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What happened to all the 'we're kicking GBS's ass' posts. I've not seen any after the first couple of days.

Why's that?

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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kiaeddz had the guts and the cohones

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Originally by: The Cursed

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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus

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BoB asking for respect for their losses is pretty lol

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Ive read threw all the post and have not seen one respect request period. All i seem to see is a bunch of childern hiding in empire making stupid post and looking like complete idiots. Alot of you talk the talk but i doubt any of you have the balls to back anything you post. Come fight or STFU newbs

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• I am not in Empire.

• I am an observer

• you are not going to Deklein to fight the last few days [Totally out matched ]

• "Come fight or STFU newbs"

• so you stfu, you go fight.

• I don't have to back what I say, you will see I am correct in my observations about how the game will or won't be changed./me points at TWD comments.

Originally by: Ki An

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Edited by: Ki An on 15/07/2008 15:36:12
And I will be among the guys laughing at your 'points' :)

/Edit: Are you cereal btw? Do you promise never to post again if I don't reply to your first post? Sweet.

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Originally by: TWD

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Why are people getting upset about a possible upcoming cynojammer nerf?

Isn't that what you wanted all these months?

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Originally by: TWD

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Why are people getting upset about a possible upcoming cynojammer nerf?

Isn't that what you wanted all these months?

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Originally by: Veldya

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Originally by: TWD

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Why are people getting upset about a possible upcoming cynojammer nerf?

Isn't that what you wanted all these months?

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If the cyno jam nerf comes into effect I am putting money down on Anti-Bob Coalition II will be formed within 3 months and BoB will be disassembled within 6 months.

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Originally by: Ciaphas Khaine

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Originally by: Veldya

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Originally by: TWD

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Why are people getting upset about a possible upcoming cynojammer nerf?

Isn't that what you wanted all these months?

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If the cyno jam nerf comes into effect I am putting money down on Anti-Bob Coalition II will be formed within 3 months and BoB will be disassembled within 6 months.

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I dont know about that, many of us in EVE have come to realize that RSF are just as bad if not worse than BoB. Personally, I dislike RA far more than I dislike BoB which, I must say, I quite a feat on RA's part, because I really ****ing hate BoB

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Originally by: Complete Tart

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Hey why don't you sign your posts anymore?

I loved the way you would put /Ki-An at the end of every post, it was like your own stamp of approval of your own posts, it was sooo cool

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Originally by: Naabata

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I request you give respect for the recent destruction of hundreds of your ships by NC in very heavy Lag.

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Originally by: Naabata

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• I am not in Empire.

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Originally by: Naabata

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• I am an observer

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Originally by: Naabata

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• you are not going to Deklein to fight the last few days [Totally out matched ]

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Originally by: Naabata

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• "Come fight or STFU newbs"

• so you stfu, you go fight.

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Originally by: Naabata

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• I don't have to back what I say, you will see I am correct in my observations about how the game will or won't be changed./me points at TWD comments.

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Originally by: Naabata

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your group has lost 100's of BS and a couple Cap ships to NC recently.

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Originally by: Naabata

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"but,you didn't want those ships anyway" I guess.

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Originally by: Naabata

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Stand behind what you say . Either way you look bad.

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Originally by: Naabata

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Either TWD is a liar or Bob gets what it needs to succeed in "Maximum Damage"

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Originally by: Naabata

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Making workable choices occurs in a crucible of informative mistakes. Thus
intelligence accepts fallibility. And when absolute (infallible) choices are not
known, Intelligence takes chances with limited data in an arena where mistakes are not only possible but also necessary. -----Frank Herbert

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Originally by: Ciaphas Khaine

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Edited by: Ciaphas Khaine on 17/07/2008 16:56:39

I must say Ki An you outdid yourself, I think that Naabata guy will think twice, thrice, and possibly even a forth time before he posts again

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Naabata

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• you are not going to Deklein to fight the last few days [Totally out matched ]

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I thought you said you where an observer. This hints at you actually being there. So, which is it?

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Originally by: Ni Gaplees

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Just wanted to point out that you can still be there and be a neutral observer

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Originally by: Ciaphas Khaine

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Originally by: Veldya

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Originally by: TWD

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Why are people getting upset about a possible upcoming cynojammer nerf?

Isn't that what you wanted all these months?

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If the cyno jam nerf comes into effect I am putting money down on Anti-Bob Coalition II will be formed within 3 months and BoB will be disassembled within 6 months.

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I dont know about that, many of us in EVE have come to realize that RSF are just as bad if not worse than BoB. Personally, I dislike RA far more than I dislike BoB which, I must say, I quite a feat on RA's part, because I really ****ing hate BoB

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Originally by: Naabata

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Edited by: Naabata on 17/07/2008 18:21:08
I am talking about what I see and conclusions there of.

And you guys don't look at IRON [one of the best I have ever seen] and other NC killboards do you?

Yes 100's of BoB et al losses including 2 Capital ships a Thanatos and a Phoenix.

The battle this morning was kinda good. Nice to see fighting again.

Have dozens of good Frank Herbert posts just a copy paste away.

We at the Bureau are actually very neutral. This topic needs to be addressed in public. Our history in game has seen us sabotage both sides in the conflicts at hand. We sabotage anyone or any group as needed. Even our own staff regularly which makes us kind of unique.

Many things we do naturally become difficult only when we try to make them
intellectual subjects. It is possible to know so much about a subject that you become totally ignorant. ---Frank Herbert

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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it's probably over a 1000 and NO that is not an exaggeration

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Originally by: Angela Toren

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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it's probably over a 1000 and NO that is not an exaggeration

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'over 1000' not 'over a 1000', you can't say 'over a one thousand'

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Originally by: rgreat

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Originally by: Adm Tecumseh

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Lemme guess,

Any cyno nerf that may or may not come is result of BoB's dev contacts etc and not the 7 straight months of RSF whinging about cyno jammers being over powered?

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Don't underestimate the power of MSN.

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Originally by: Angela Toren

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Originally by: Sasha Lyre

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it's probably over a 1000 and NO that is not an exaggeration

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'over 1000' not 'over a 1000', you can't say 'over a one thousand'

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Originally by: DaiTengu

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Originally by: The Cursed

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Hums if anyone would like to post anything of importance please do so. Everything IÆve read up to this point shows me nothing of a failure on this op. Bob is fighting a cap defended system with BS only and yes taking losses. IÆd like to see any alliance in eve make the same move and not take losses also. The loss of a BS is no diff then losing a t1 cruiser or frigate at this point. The payout is high and the loss is minimal. If we lost 600 command ships then IÆd say it was a big hit but were not.

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Wait, what?

This is the exact opposite of what Molle originally posted. You bobbits need to get your story straight.

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Originally by: hmmmmmmmm

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fact
yes,we lost over 600 ships in 4 days (300+BSS)
yes,we lost all inicil sop fleet
yes,we kill som fac 3-4 poss and take dys moons
but guys who cares
i like good fight and my brothers like good fight(escept my buddy HEY YOU ,he bether love to be on Adriatic see,drink beer in commpany of 2-3 Croatian girls)
soo...in fight somtimes we win som times we not..
but we have high moral and spirit
only i hope thet LAG godess will have more mercy next time
see u all in space
eng. is not my nativ lang.:P

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Originally by: teh punisher

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p.s ghaelsto kakram you really should stop posting. you're not good at it at all

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Originally by: FourT****ie

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Edited by: FourT****ie on 18/07/2008 03:33:10
MM KB
Hah!

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: FourT****ie

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Edited by: FourT****ie on 18/07/2008 03:33:10
MM KB
Hah!

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Someone tell this man how participations work, I've had enough of spoon feeding the ******s on here.

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Originally by: Haargoth Agamar

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Originally by: teh punisher

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p.s ghaelsto kakram you really should stop posting. you're not good at it at all

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Hey aren't you that guy from noob mercs that likes posting a lot? If so why did you leave noob mercs? Are you no longer a noob?

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Originally by: Angela Toren

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Reporter interviews DBP and Sirmolle

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Originally by: Angela Toren

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Reporter interviews DBP and Sirmolle

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Originally by: Jebidus Skari

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everyone underestimated Bob when the north + goons + ra attacked them, and they managed to send everyone home.

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Originally by: Kraknall

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Originally by: Jebidus Skari

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everyone underestimated Bob when the north + goons + ra attacked them, and they managed to send everyone home.

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Er, no....they lost all their space and then holed up in one region and waited their attackers out. They did not "heroically counterattack" and drive anyone out.

Revisionism is in very poor taste.

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Originally by: The Blinded

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My theory is that Naabata is actually General Starscream's alt

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Originally by: Sigarni

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I dont see so many noobs shouting omg MAX failure anymore ?? Is that maybe because POS's and Cap ships are being destroyed every few hours and BoB seems to have gots its act together ??

CAOD is such a fickle mistress

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