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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.14 03:56:00 -
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ok, this is an unlikely scenario, but i figure better safe then sorry
so hypothetically, let's say you need to go 1v1 against a WOW character. what ship do you fly and how do you fit it?
let's go at it piece by piece: first, protecting yourself. this turns out to be trivially easy cause WOW characters' attack ranges go from about 2 meters to maybe 200m for ultra long range attacks. even the insanely close orbit of 500 is enough here. cake. they can't hit you
2nd, holding the target in place. again, trivial. if the average human can go maybe bout 2 meters per second, then let's say a fully maxed, uber mount sort of character in WOW maybe can go, and being generous here, 20 meters per second. ha. at that point no reason to even web them. cake.
3rd, damaging them. here's where it gets tricky. a WOW character is on average 1m¦, judging by the size of exotic dancers in EVE. that's a mighty small size. a torpedo would do a whopping 1 point of damage. clearly not the way to go. rockets aren't much better, bringing a total 2.8 for a caldari faction one, even fit on a CNR you're still maybe bringing about 3 dps here. let's see if we can do better.
one thing that's annoying is that while you're target might be moving 0.5 m/s with a good web on him, he's still moving and therefore transversal rule apply. you'd figure at some point the game would round down to 0, but eh, whatever.
option 2: the thrasher.
3 mid slots, 3 target painter 2s. your target is up to 2.1m¦. very nice. more than doubled damage. next, 8 t2 125s. resolution size: 40m¦. means that you hit a bit over 1 in 20 shots. at full speed, we're talking a hit every 3 seconds. with skills damage: 20.1 or so, 8 dps. well hm. those things have 5000ish hitpoints at level 70. can we do better?
how about a rapier/huginn then? seems a good idea for the target painting bonus. 6 mid slots, 6 t2 painters with V skills yields a target size of over 8m¦. well holy crap, that's bigger than a light drone. excellent.
now the low slots: all gyros. yes, they dont stack. so what. with maxed skills your damage just went up to x 1.91 (surgical strike, small turret, small AC spec). not too bad. 1 in every 5 shots hit, and they hit at 20 damage still (no ship bonus to smalls). since you only have 3 turrets this seems not much better ... right up until you remember you now have light drones. 5 of them. and your target is 8m¦. their resolution is 25m¦ so 1/3 hit. damage with full skills is 40ish. 40 dmg * 5 drones / 4 rof / 4 scan res = 12 dps. add it together, 20 dps or so.
problem: WOW chars have like 5000 hit points. well yeah, this will take a while. set it to orbit, go get a book. think of it like a small POS destruction, it'll take a good few minutes or so, specially for characters that do the various tricks to restore their health a few times. potions or whatever.
so yes, conclusion: if you end up in a fight against a WOW character then 1v1 your best bet is a rapier. for more ships, bring destroyers fit for killing small things (like light drones) and a rapier.
ADDENDUM: and finally, there's the wild card. the titan doomsday. not only is it size independent, but it's AOE. now you're talking. log in, warp over your favorite densely populated area, click, and count listen to the screaming in local. not available to most eve pilots, sadly - -
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.14 03:58:00 -
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DISCLAIMER: all math was done in my head. it's probably wrong, i probably missed some skills. specially since i didnt add skills to missile rof/damage in the first part.
if you feel like doing it correctly, please do and i'll update the individual numbers. - -
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:01:00 -
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i read the first part....
WHAT THE **** ARE YOU SMOKING.
eve is not wow, not even close to wow.... why would you type this up.
fyi, one round of small ammo is the size of a human.... just take a atron with 75mm rails...
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:05:00 -
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This has filled my head with incredibly entertaining images. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Vikarion
Caldari Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:24:00 -
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That was awesome. Post more. --------
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Nicky Rostu
Gallente Fading Star Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:27:00 -
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LFG to smartbomb Southshore!
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 14/07/2008 04:29:31 A while ago someone posted an image on what a 10.5km officer smartbomb would do to Azeroth. Basically 1 blast could cover the whole of Azeroth with the exception of 1 or 2 limited locations. Also i think it's safe to say 1 EVE hitpoint is more or less equivilent to 1000 WoW hitpoints. Just consider the size of the blast in relation to the effects. _______________
CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears. |
Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:31:00 -
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What if they have Magical Armor EM Compensation to 5?
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 14/07/2008 04:33:45 ok, I found it.
What a Smartbomb would do to Azeroth
Oh and doomsday blasts are said to be able to blast the atmosphere off of entire planets. I can only imagine what one of those would do.
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CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears. |
Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
ok, I found it.
What a Smartbomb would do to Azeroth
Oh and doomsday blasts are said to be able to blast the atmosphere off of entire planets. I can only imagine what one of those would do.
you know, i'm not much of a griefer in eve. really. but man, i just felt something evil stir inside of me when i looked at that.
mmm... - -
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Patient 2428190
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:38:00 -
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I think I'd just orbitally bombard Azeroth with an Armageddon, go for a quick refit with officer smartbombs, fly into the atmosphere and finish off the stragglers.
If I see a GM avatar, I'd ram him. Lalala. |
Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:56:00 -
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Yeees… I think your approach to the whole problem is a bit off. I mean, we don't really fight individuals in ≡v≡, but rather large constructs, and our weapons are designed to hit and damage those constructs, thereby killing everyone inside.
So really, the question is: how big is a WoW city?
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:00:00 -
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This thread definetly needs a sticky. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Neth'Rae
Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:08:00 -
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My feral druid would outheal that with lifebloom :P
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:09:00 -
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This WoW sounds really, really brilliant, where can I get some?
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Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:23:00 -
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I'd just get out the atmosphere I somehow got in. After scooping them into my carghold.
Then jettison, lock the can..
They can't break out of my ship (if they have such abilities), or the can because they'll be in either 1. A warp tunnel 2. Empty space amidst flaming ship wreckage (and possibly explosions) 3. Empty space.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina (dreadnoughts are also possibly the most boring ship you could fly. It's like mining, without the part where you make money)
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Neth'Rae My feral druid would outheal that with lifebloom :P
so i never made it past level 50 or so when i played (around launch time), and i have no idea on the numbers. what's a serious sustainable solo tank in WOW like, and the HP buffer?
i want to put it against a discocalypse - -
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:30:00 -
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Or just ram a Nyx into them tbh. Money well spent. |
Veratii
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:31:00 -
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This thread delivers. And a fairly well geared tank in wow sports about 18000hp and 15-33k armor depending on class. |
Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:32:00 -
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let's play the what if game...
one word: ambulation
yes it's a thinker
station camps would take a whole new meaning... |
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:48:00 -
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wtf is the OP smoking... really.... you should seek help ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:53:00 -
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titan doomsday is bigger than all of azeroth...
And there is no EM resist in wow so pretty sure BoB wins WOW.
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Hieronimus Rex
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Posted - 2008.07.14 06:06:00 -
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EVE might win with characters, but WoW has demigods and other supernatural whatnot so some of the WoW NPCs might be able to give EVE ships etc a beating.
My favorite nerdrage debate was the death star vs a titan.
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Tishlin Veredici
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.14 06:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tishlin Veredici on 14/07/2008 06:23:00
Originally by: Kobushi let's play the what if game...
one word: ambulation
yes it's a thinker
Your 10mm "Scout" Accelerator Pistol Strikes Kragor the Destroyer perfectly, wrecking for 453.65 damage.
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Voodoo Mistross
SPORADIC MOVEMENT The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.14 06:28:00 -
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Faife for permaban just for posting EVE and WoW in the same thread title
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.14 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hieronimus Rex EVE might win with characters, but WoW has demigods and other supernatural whatnot so some of the WoW NPCs might be able to give EVE ships etc a beating.
My favorite nerdrage debate was the death star vs a titan.
Star Wars would dominate EVE FIN.
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Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.07.14 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Originally by: Hieronimus Rex EVE might win with characters, but WoW has demigods and other supernatural whatnot so some of the WoW NPCs might be able to give EVE ships etc a beating.
My favorite nerdrage debate was the death star vs a titan.
Star Wars would dominate EVE FIN.
Don't. Start. This. Again.
Please.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina (dreadnoughts are also possibly the most boring ship you could fly. It's like mining, without the part where you make money)
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.14 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Verx Interis
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Originally by: Hieronimus Rex EVE might win with characters, but WoW has demigods and other supernatural whatnot so some of the WoW NPCs might be able to give EVE ships etc a beating.
My favorite nerdrage debate was the death star vs a titan.
Star Wars would dominate EVE FIN.
Don't. Start. This. Again.
Please.
As long as we can agree it was not a "debate" so much as a bunch of EVE fanboys making shit up and Star Wars enthusiasts setting them straight.
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Wideen
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 06:42:00 -
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I'd fit a sniping Apoc with Tachyons.. don't think it would require much more than a salvo
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Hesod Adee
Militants of Xen
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Posted - 2008.07.14 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hieronimus Rex EVE might win with characters, but WoW has demigods and other supernatural whatnot so some of the WoW NPCs might be able to give EVE ships etc a beating.
My favorite nerdrage debate was the death star vs a titan.
Pity that the Eve ships can just sit several AU out and nudge large rocks towards the planet (we are talking rocks only a few km across). If the first it deflected, send two next time. If they are deflected, send four.
Or find a few rocks, stick some big engines on them and ram them into the planet. If the rock is deflected, well that only cost a few engines. If the rock is shattered, the fragments will still hit the planet, causing a lot of sun blocking dust.
Nuking them from orbit is also an option.
Aiming at an individual WoW character would be hard. But if you glass his general location ...
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