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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:24:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:I've never seen an incursion channel break 200 people, even with drive throughs that are forced to be in the channel untill they log out.
Go to Solitude when a High SEC Incursion spawns there... I rarley see more then 100 & often see much less |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:28:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:"ThereGÇÿs certainly a lot of money coming from Incursions.-á Incursion rewards in December amounted to 9.6 trillion ISK, which is an all time high, while the rewards in January and February were 9.0 and 8.7 trillion ISK respectively.-á ThatGÇÿs quite a bit of money entering the economy.-á However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are.-á Bounty prizes paid out in February totalled 33 trillion ISK." That's an extra 10 trillion ISK that was not in the economy previously on a monthly basis. The 10 trillion ISK seems to be approximately 20% of the ISK Faucet economy ... so yeah, Incursions are having an effect. The bounty system was here before Incursions. confirming that incursion runners didn't do any PvE during the 7.5 years before incursions were released. .
Confirming I never did PvE before Incursions too... as a noob at day 1I started in NULL trying to fight blobs of titans with my rookie ship  |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:30:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Three vanguards per incursion. 6 sites per system. 11 per fleet. when there are more than 198 (- local residents) in Incursion local everybody is not getting paid. Unless there are a couple assault fleets and the occasional HG. Still <600 pilots making that bank at any given time. And with 6 fleets you WILL contest as the 6 sites don' t just pop up instantly.
You can ALWAYS make 50 mil an hour in raw ISK once you have an Incursion capable shiny, and use it to run missions instead.
You can SOMETIMES make 100 mil an hour running Incursions. Not all of the dreaded 66% can make all of that money all of the time, no matter how hard you try to hype it.
Stop explaining the truth to the trolls..s according to them Incursions have no risk ( 0% risk == perfect security ) & ships never die in Vanguards either |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Stop explaining the truth to the trolls.. GǪand the truth of the matter is that incursions make for a massive ISK faucet that is completely out of proportion to how many are doing it and where they're done.
You want to ***** about out of porportion facets ***** about the Mineral/Catalyst faucet known as Tech Moons babe... that dwarfs Incursions by a long shot. Go fling your poo I mean goo at that feature working as intended |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:49:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Azriel Geist wrote:I make 500m isk an hour playing Eve Poker... should CCP nerf that?  Your EVE Poker winnings aren't coming out of the magical ISK faucet. Poker is zero sum. You win 500M ISK, someone (or some people) lost 500M ISK.
they are comming from the ISK faucet though too many incursion runners gamble during my Vanguard blitz fleets its a real problem I say nerf it gambling causes Incrursioner proverty above all else also there is too much **** posts in incursion fleets nerf website posts too... nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf nerf nef nerf |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:You want to biiiiiitch about out of porportion faucet that makes a few into super rich at the cost of the other 99.99% look at Mineral/Catalyst faucet known as Tech Moons babe.. You mean those things that don't inject any ISK? Those things that require significant (and continuous) investments in manpower to acquire and keep running? Those things that exist exclusively in nullsec where they create wars and the losses of cubic kilometres worth of assets? Yeah, no. They're not really an issue for the economy. Nice straw man though GÇö fits right in with the ridiculous straw man of the OP.
Correct the moon goo faucet. Don't tell me it is not a faucet that is not lining the wallets of a very few . You are telling me there are not considerable investments in man hours devoted to incursion running? I often fly 6 billion ISK ships in certain fleets & am surrounded by man ships that cost the same or more... 20-80 man fleets. It required alot of work to get these fleets running hunny. YOU ARE TELLING ME MOON GOO IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE ECONOMY?!?!?! YOUR BS IS PILED SKY HIGH IN THAT STATEMENT GIRL |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:09:00 -
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Ottersmacker wrote:Considering how risk-averse incursion fleets seem to be, it doesn't seem like a very hard thing to do (i've seen a 11-strong fleet with 3 logistics stand down because someone had a war dec from a 2 man corp with no online members, this caused an aggro timer to one of the logistics and the entire operation stood down for 15 minutes).
I can only wonder what declarations of war or sudden appearances by thrashers and tornados can do.
BEEN DONE BEFORE... what happens now is the war decked doesn't get reps & dies... standing order for his stupidity for not reading my fleets MOTD. |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:10:00 -
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Farang Lo wrote:quite stupid that 25% isk generated drop into 1% of eve population prove that statisic... Until you do I say incursion runners are 10%+ of the eve population... prove me wrong... Yep you can't becuase you are clueless about the real numbers |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:17:00 -
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Azure Moonlight wrote:Bounties arent a problem and never were and its not at all surprising they generate the most ISK. I think noone ever said otherwise. Incursions whereas are a problem, because they are totally out of proportion. A minimal number of players generating 1/3 of all bounty income on the server? Thats a small bunch of suddenly VERY rich people. That is hurting the economy and not primarily bounty income and what is attached to it.
Since when has nuevo rich ever become a problem in an economy?!?!?! Quite the opposite: Nuevo rich always invigorate economies |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:37:00 -
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Terajima Kazumi wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:You want to biiiiiitch about out of porportion faucet that makes a few into super rich at the cost of the other 99.99% look at Mineral/Catalyst faucet known as Tech Moons babe.. You mean those things that don't inject any ISK? Those things that require significant (and continuous) investments in manpower to acquire and keep running? Those things that exist exclusively in nullsec where they create wars and the losses of cubic kilometres worth of assets? Yeah, no. They're not really an issue for the economy. Nice straw man though GÇö fits right in with the ridiculous straw man of the OP. Correct the moon goo faucet. Don't tell me it is not a faucet that is not lining the wallets of a very few . You are telling me there are not considerable investments in man hours devoted to incursion running? I often fly 6 billion ISK ships in certain fleets & am surrounded by man ships that cost the same or more... 20-80 man fleets. It required alot of work to get these fleets running hunny. YOU ARE TELLING ME MOON GOO IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE ECONOMY?!?!?! YOUR BS IS PILED SKY HIGH IN THAT STATEMENT GIRL Moon goo doesn't create ISK, it merely moves it.
Moon Goo is used to create items & affects those items costs. It has a VERY real affect to the economy. Are you going to tell me next that the cost of oil does not affect the economy? |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:59:00 -
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Don't tell my that ISK faucets are only thing causing inflation... the minerals/botting problem is part of the inflation here ( funny less botts will be causing inflation ) &the monoloplies on moon goo faucets can create inflation too. But if you want to only cry about the ISK faucets bounties are the biggest faucet & they can be botted too. Incursions are not being botted. |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[ Cipher Jones wrote:Incursions are done everywhere but wormhole space, and wormhole space injects more ISK than Incursions. First of all, no, it doesn't. It injects about Gàö the amount. Wspace is also 0.0, and thus deserve a higher payout, so even if it did, that would be kind of expected. More the to point, though, since you seem to be missing it, just like Darth here: how many people are running those wspace sweeps?
You got it mixed up babe Incursions inject 2/3 the amount of ISK in the form of blue loot here is my citation http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[ Quote:You are telling me there are not considerable investments in man hours devoted to incursion running? Compared to keeping a profitable moon? Nope. Quote:YOU ARE TELLING ME MOON GOO IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE ECONOMY?!?!?! What economical issues are there with moon goo (aside from being a deflationary materials faucet)?
Incursioners spend many man hours & spend ALOT o ISK on ships & AMMO ( faction ammo at theat ). Compated to keeping a single profitable moon, yep I can argue the deflationary minerals until 2011 were wrecking the economy as a matter of fact I'll start a thread concerning how deflation is worse then inflation by along shot
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:54:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:[ Quote:You are telling me there are not considerable investments in man hours devoted to incursion running? Compared to keeping a profitable moon? Nope. Quote:YOU ARE TELLING ME MOON GOO IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE ECONOMY?!?!?! What economical issues are there with moon goo (aside from being a deflationary materials faucet)? Incursioners spend many man hours & spend ALOT o ISK on ships & AMMO ( faction ammo at theat ). Compated to keeping a single profitable moon, yep I can argue the deflationary minerals until 2011 were wrecking the economy as a matter of fact I'll start a thread concerning how deflation is worse then inflation by along shot And how often has your 6 bill shiny been blown up?
I had a shiney 6 billion ship blow up last month but I was lucky & recovered 1/2 of it in loot from my fleet mates... when was the last shiney worth 6 billion+ blew up on you? |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:58:00 -
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:ONCE AGAIN I SEE NO NUMBERS ON BLUE LOOT IN THAT CITATION MY CITATION HAD IT Fix your keyboard and read it again. Not necessarily in that order, but do both. Oh, andGǪ Quote:Blue loot [is] bring[ing] in more ISK [and is] therefore a [bigger] ISK [faucet] GǪeven with all that angrish, you're still missing the point. So, read my citation and my post again, and fix your keyboard. Quote:I had a shiney 6 billion ship blow up last month but I was lucky & recovered 1/2 of it in loot from my fleet mates... So a lot less than the cost of acquiring and keeping a moon safe.
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[ Quote:I can argue the deflationary minerals until 2011 were wrecking the economy as a matter of fact I'll start a thread concerning how deflation is worse then inflation by along shot You could. Do you have any shred of evidence? Or, to restate the question since you didn't actually answer it: what economical issues are there with moon goo?
I have seen numbers that show a 100% increase in cost of techtanium forgot the period time too... I don't have it with me so I may be wrong... Got any info (citations please) or agraph on the price of tech goo over the last 7 years?
I would like a gander at that faucet's prices & amount of it that has been extracted & compare them it'd be an interesting graph indeed  |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:35:00 -
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I read your citation & my citations your seems to by over the month of Janurary & mine February? why did blue loot change 3 trillion ISK in 1 month? |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:I read your citation & my citations your seems to by over the month of Janurary & mine February? why did blue loot change 3 trillion ISK in 1 month? Like I said earlier: most likely because it's kind of a GÇ£seasonalGÇ¥ thing GÇö it's not a constant flow out of wspace, but something the big collectors (the ones creating enough volume to make a difference) gather up for a month or three in the POS until it's time to pack the Orca / Freighter / whatever to the gills and jump it out for a selling spree.
Still 1 month that much a difference? |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:48:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
I had a shiney 6 billion ship blow up last month but I was lucky & recovered 1/2 of it in loot from my fleet mates... when was the last shiney worth 6 billion+ blew up on you?
And how often does that happen? I think there's a lot more lost defending moons in a week than you lost in one ship a month ago. I doubt you lose that much that often. Whether I've lost a pimped out shiny is irrelevant, I'm not the one using strawman arguments by pointing at moon goo as an isk faucet when it's actually not, it's a mineral faucet.
I've REPEATEDLY called moon goo a mineral faucet that lines the wallets of a much fewer number ( order of magnitude at least)then the ISK faucet which is known as Incursions. |
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