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Sacrificed Flower Something Squishy	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:25:00 - [1] For the past few days I've gone into the scary nether regions of 0.0 and I have to say the overall effect is boring. Getting out there is no trouble as long as your patient; same for running missions. No what bores me is the undertone, the local channel isn't used and because I'm a gaijin or something I get camped by up to six 'compensating for something' battleships with (scary avatars) for hours at a time. Add all this together and really we are only missing the plywood 'no girls allowed' sign to make it a cubby house 40 year old kids dream about. Basically I think eve is trying to make lowsec the wild west and o.o the new frontier. Yet I think eve is rewarding the wrong type of pilots; by reward I don't mean ISK - rather fun stuff to do. Griefing is fine but it seems to be the only thing I hear about once I go past lowsec. How I'd love to see eve runs with more MULTI in the massively-multi; pilots less afraid to team up with someone they've just met. I'm posting because of what I've read in the CSM discussions about direction; that being more defendable sovereignty... but I'm not so sure. I mean what is the point of having your own system if nobody new goes there. I agree there has to be more defence but not for combat pilots as I think we already have enough... for example temporary force field protection for mining gangs. Not something fool proof but enough to stop cheap and easy attacks for industry types. Flame all you want, but going by how often I got chased in a rifter I know your actually bored out there too
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:29:00 - [2] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 15/07/2008 11:34:35 Originally by: Sacrificed Flower Griefing 0.0 is about people doing what they want. The infrastructure is in place for people to do something more with it, see also: ISS. However the majority of non-industry players are Unreal Tournament rejects who think sandbox=deathmatch, so let your dreams of 0.0 being anything other than a mindless free for all with a side of cooperative fleetlagboredomblobfail die now. Also, see sig. Finally, I find that once your disappointment in the inability of EVE players to do anything other than shoot at each other passes, surviving solo in 0.0 has some interesting gameplay opportunities, such as trying to move gear quickly without getting killed, if you're into that kind of thing. - DesuSigs
Illwill Bill Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:30:00 - [3] Usually, it's more in the line of: "OMAAAGAAAEWD, there's a neut two jumps away! DOCK, DOCK!!1!one" 0.0 is, as far as I can tell, not intended for single players; it's a playground for the larger alliances. Unfortunately, they also have a tendency to hog up the space that the pirate factions have sovereignty in. ____________________ Originally by: CCP Saint Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
copasetic sideways	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:31:00 - [4] i had to sign an nda when i left my 0.0 alliance. that's why they camp you for hours on end; they don't want you to find out what i can't tell you about.
Fay DeLion Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:31:00 - [5] Edited by: Fay DeLion on 15/07/2008 11:31:26 Do you want milk & cookies too & be read a bedtime story?
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:36:00 - [6] Ofcourse 0.0 is boring. Everybody already knows this. They also know that most of the 'action' takes place in 0.4. I'd stand to wager that 0.4 systems are far more dangerous than 0.0 -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| --------------------------------------------------
Illwill Bill Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:38:00 - [7] Ahh, yes! Amamake has been the grave of many a newb venturing out into low-sec for the first time! ^^ ____________________ Originally by: CCP Saint Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
Tellenta Gallente Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Fay DeLion Edited by: Fay DeLion on 15/07/2008 11:31:26 Do you want milk & cookies too & be read a bedtime story? Yes please.
Sacrificed Flower Something Squishy	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Syniztur Ofcourse 0.0 is boring. Everybody already knows this. They also know that most of the 'action' takes place in 0.4. I'd stand to wager that 0.4 systems are far more dangerous than 0.0 Yeah but even then the combats "Oh look some idiot is ratting" or "Lets go gate camp for a few hours." Has anyone played Independence Wars II? I think the pirating element is very under developed. Originally by: Fay DeLion Edited by: Fay DeLion on 15/07/2008 11:31:26 Do you want milk & cookies too & be read a bedtime story? Only if you tuck me in as well.
Siriana	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Fay DeLion Edited by: Fay DeLion on 15/07/2008 11:31:26 Do you want milk & cookies too & be read a bedtime story? Fay - stop posting such useless, dim witted and utterly pointless crap. You're wasting everyone's time, and making yourself look like an intensely bored moron. Stay out of the forums if you have nothing constructive to say. Peace...
Illwill Bill Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Siriana Fay - stop posting such useless, dim witted and utterly pointless crap. You're wasting everyone's time, and making yourself look like an intensely bored moron. Stay out of the forums if you have nothing constructive to say. Peace... Siriana, For a forum post to be defined as "constructive", it needs to contain an element of suggestion to the criticized poster, so that his next post can be better, and more enjoyable for everyone to read. If you would refrain from personal attacks, and give Fay some suggestions on how to improve his posts, then you might actually live up to your own standards! ____________________ Originally by: CCP Saint Hey look over there! Its...its...its the thread back on topic!
Sacrificed Flower Something Squishy	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:50:00 - [12] Edited by: Sacrificed Flower on 15/07/2008 11:52:47 Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 15/07/2008 11:34:35 Finally, I find that once your disappointment in the inability of EVE players to do anything other than shoot at each other passes, surviving solo in 0.0 has some interesting gameplay opportunities, such as trying to move gear quickly without getting killed, if you're into that kind of thing. Yeah but this is still quite solo play. [Edit] Oops that sounds kind of obvious. What I mean is having fun on my own isn't really the issue.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Sacrificed Flower Yeah but this is still quite solo play. Yes, but that's all there is unless you merge into an existing organisation, so take what you can get. - DesuSigs
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Sacrificed Flower For the past few days I've gone into the scary nether regions of 0.0 and I have to say the overall effect is boring. Getting out there is no trouble as long as your patient; same for running missions. No what bores me is the undertone, the local channel isn't used and because I'm a gaijin or something I get camped by up to six 'compensating for something' battleships with (scary avatars) for hours at a time. Add all this together and really we are only missing the plywood 'no girls allowed' sign to make it a cubby house 40 year old kids dream about. Basically I think eve is trying to make lowsec the wild west and o.o the new frontier. Yet I think eve is rewarding the wrong type of pilots; by reward I don't mean ISK - rather fun stuff to do. Griefing is fine but it seems to be the only thing I hear about once I go past lowsec. How I'd love to see eve runs with more MULTI in the massively-multi; pilots less afraid to team up with someone they've just met. I'm posting because of what I've read in the CSM discussions about direction; that being more defendable sovereignty... but I'm not so sure. I mean what is the point of having your own system if nobody new goes there. I agree there has to be more defence but not for combat pilots as I think we already have enough... for example temporary force field protection for mining gangs. Not something fool proof but enough to stop cheap and easy attacks for industry types. Flame all you want, but going by how often I got chased in a rifter I know your actually bored out there too you went to a system that is owned by some other guys and think they let you roam free there ? its like: i come to your house uninvited and start eating from your fridge.... how long would it take you get your baseball bat and kick the living shit out of me ??? ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Podee Something Squishy	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:06:00 - [15] The question is corpmate is why you didn't get podded for the glory of something squishy:P I'm in Ur Threadz deralin ur Postz
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Riho its like: i come to your house uninvited and start eating from your fridge.... how long would it take you get your baseball bat and kick the living shit out of me ??? Quite a long time, maybe you're just starving, after all. Unless you had an attitude as well, of course.
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Illwill Bill Usually, it's more in the line of: "OMAAAGAAAEWD, there's a neut two jumps away! DOCK, DOCK!!1!one" 0.0 is, as far as I can tell, not intended for single players; it's a playground for the larger alliances. Unfortunately, they also have a tendency to hog up the space that the pirate factions have sovereignty in. don't you mean... one - ''theres a nuet 2 jumps away'' two - ''oooo food'' one - ''its a vagabond'' two - ''sigh...''
Sacrificed Flower Something Squishy	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Podee The question is corpmate is why you didn't get podded for the glory of something squishy:P Wow you really are a forum *** Meh crying joyously into death just to irritate pilots with complexes is more your thing... I was happily having an adventure. Originally by:** Riho you went to a system that is owned by some other guys and think they let you roam free there ? its like: i come to your house uninvited and start eating from your fridge.... how long would it take you get your baseball bat and kick the living shit out of me ??? Gee kinda reading into things a little eh? First off it isn't their system... I tend to limit myself to waving only in passing alliance owned space. Mostly due to cold receptions. This I can understand... I could be a scout so shoot on sight is fair enough.
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Syniztur Ofcourse 0.0 is boring. Everybody already knows this. They also know that most of the 'action' takes place in 0.4. I'd stand to wager that 0.4 systems are far more dangerous than 0.0 but remember taking aprt in combat in a lowsec system and lets face it you cant just hunt flashers cos though you see a fair few most of them travel with another 2 or 3 in tow and your goig to be killing anything that moves cos that how little I find at least. and long gone are the days when you can go back into empire and get some standings back because in that hour you spent in lowsec concord decided that 0.5 sec was a bit too nice for you and they would rather you were dead for your hour of fun
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:21:00 - [20] 0.0 space is OWNED space. Those who own it kill those who are not friendly to them. Its as simple as that. And it HAS to be that way: You could be a scout or a Cyno pilot. I do alot of solo 0.0 stuff, but I'm also part of an Alliance which owns the space. If you want to do the same, I'm afraid you will either have to join an Alliance too, or else you will be hunted wherever you are found. And Yes: Low-sec is much more scary than 0.0 is.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Sacrificed Flower Gee kinda reading into things a little eh? First off it isn't their system... I tend to limit myself to waving only in passing alliance owned space. Mostly due to cold receptions. This I can understand... I could be a scout so shoot on sight is fair enough. If you are in 0.0 you will be in what someone considers their system.
WulfWestphal Minmatar Niflhel	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Sacrificed Flower Gee kinda reading into things a little eh? First off it isn't their system... I tend to limit myself to waving only in passing alliance owned space. Mostly due to cold receptions. This I can understand... I could be a scout so shoot on sight is fair enough. If you are in 0.0 you will be in what someone considers their system. Its just the age-old NRDS vs. NBSI discussion. Some alliances are paranoid enough to isolate themselves completely by shutting down their space some do not isolate their territory but isolate themselves in their homesystems or thinking procedures. There are very few (if any) alliances who really appriciate new influx from outside. Be it industry, military (NPC/Merc-wise) or just something like ideas, visions, expectations, etc. The human mind seems build that way. If you can grab power, you hold and keep it and defend it from anyone who looks funny at it. All while ignoring the fact that isolating yourselve this way, you loose much more than you gain. Anyway: zero sec doesnt have to be boring, you "just" have to find the "right" zero-sec space. ---
Podee Something Squishy	Posted - 2008.07.15 17:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Podee on 15/07/2008 17:29:40 Originally by: Sacrificed Flower Originally by: Podee The question is corpmate is why you didn't get podded for the glory of something squishy:P Wow you really are a forum *** Meh crying joyously into death just to irritate pilots with complexes is more your thing... I was happily having an adventure. Heh and thats what it's all about isn't it You saying * meant i couldn't read this at work :( bloody anti swearing software! Yes to the ***age and most definatley thats what it's all about, where has eve's spirit gone I wonder... I'm in Ur Threadz deralin ur Postz
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.07.15 17:32:00 - [24] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 15/07/2008 17:33:05 Originally by: Princess Jodi 0.0 space is OWNED space. Those who own it kill those who are not friendly to them. Its as simple as that. And it HAS to be that way: You could be a scout or a Cyno pilot. I do alot of solo 0.0 stuff, but I'm also part of an Alliance which owns the space. If you want to do the same, I'm afraid you will either have to join an Alliance too, or else you will be hunted wherever you are found. And Yes: Low-sec is much more scary than 0.0 is. You are assuming the OP doesn't know this, which is not very articulate considering the astute critique that has been presented by the OP. Spin your ship much? Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Sacrificed Flower Something Squishy	Posted - 2008.07.15 18:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Princess Jodi 0.0 space is OWNED space. Those who own it kill those who are not friendly to them. Its as simple as that. And it HAS to be that way: You could be a scout or a Cyno pilot. I do alot of solo 0.0 stuff, but I'm also part of an Alliance which owns the space. If you want to do the same, I'm afraid you will either have to join an Alliance too, or else you will be hunted wherever you are found. And Yes: Low-sec is much more scary than 0.0 is. It goes like this; if I'm flying around in a system with Sovereignty: BoB/IAC etc I consider it their space and so I leave it alone. If I'm in a system with Sovereignty: Angel Cartel I don't consider it their space... Even when a section of that alliance delicately asks me to go home (in the form of "Rah! We station camp in command ships aren't you a wimp... fear me please! I can't get it up unless you cry.') Which for my eve experience is rather pathetic and boring... hence my topic. Originally by: WulfWestphal Its just the age-old NRDS vs. NBSI discussion. Some alliances are paranoid enough to isolate themselves completely by shutting down their space some do not isolate their territory but isolate themselves in their homesystems or thinking procedures. There are very few (if any) alliances who really appriciate new influx from outside. Be it industry, military (NPC/Merc-wise) or just something like ideas, visions, expectations, etc. The human mind seems build that way. If you can grab power, you hold and keep it and defend it from anyone who looks funny at it. All while ignoring the fact that isolating yourselve this way, you loose much more than you gain. Anyway: zero sec doesnt have to be boring, you "just" have to find the "right" zero-sec space. Fair point, I get that EvE is geared to be hostile and combat/competition related... so most alliances are closed on communication. I wouldn't go so far as to say our inclination of game play forms on a genetic level. It seems like a school yard mentality to me. I think its cool that people actually get into the game enough to fear losing this or going out here but there has to be a point of limiting player ability of limitation (If you get what I mean.) For instance get rid of the rats in archangel space. My problem is mostly with the "Hey you aintz belong here you... wez been here first.' I get from high security rating pilots in piewat space protecting the farmer who won't undock until I'm chased out. So what are my options on experiencing more to eve... join an alliance and become the doochebag who chases pilots like me out? No thanks. PS for those misguided pilots (generally anal-retentive caldari avatars) who think being a doochebag means your a bad ass - toughie. No the actual definition means your 'vaguely irritating.' So stop kidding yourself... oh and lastly because I generally don't get to type it, no I'm not impressed you can get that kind of damage out of a torp on a frig.
Atlas Oracle Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.07.15 18:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Sacrificed Flower So what are my options on experiencing more to eve... join an alliance and become the doochebag who chases pilots like me out? No thanks. well said. this is the game that CCP wants Eve to be, as illustrated over and over. it is no wonder the game is so very small in subscriber base and concurrent players online at any given time. now we'll have a chorus of gobacktowow from the furious little fanbois...
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:05:00 - [27] well, I wouldn't call 45k players simultaneously online small, and neither are the 400k subscriptions. But yes, for several Eve players, 0.0 (alliance or not) is the 'endgame' as far as there is an endgame here Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:14:00 - [28] Edited by: Haradgrim on 15/07/2008 20:15:09 gobacktowow.....jk In all seriousness, it is that quiet danger that gives EVE the adrenaline pumping awesomeness that we (PVP pilots at least) have come to love and respect. I don't know about you but fitting a ship I can't really afford with modules I really wish I hadn't bought and then flying it through hostile gate camps gives me the kind of rush that most people usually have to pay $80 a gram for.... my point being; can you put a price on that? ISK or otherwise? -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Dionisius Gallente The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 15/07/2008 11:48:33 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 15/07/2008 11:34:35 Originally by: Sacrificed Flower Griefing 0.0 is about people doing what they want. The infrastructure is in place for people to do something more with it, see also: ISS. However the majority of non-industry players are Unreal Tournament rejects who think sandbox=deathmatch, so let your dreams of 0.0... WAIT WHAT?! Did some of us rejects fragged your sorry butt enought times while respawning? I resent that! I loved UT... and most FPS in general... i meen... wha-what happened to the good old " GO BACK TO WOW!" punch line?! Now i have to reinstall UT and spawnkill some more n00bs like you to feel good again. Oh and Go back to WOW! _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Illwill Bill Ahh, yes! Amamake has been the grave of many a newb venturing out into low-sec for the first time! ^^ been there recently? it's minmatar militia 20 deep most of the time - -

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