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goatplasma Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.16 02:11:00 - [31] CAOD quality thread
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.07.16 03:52:00 - [32] Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 16/07/2008 03:52:10 Originally by: Shikome Alluin Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 16/07/2008 00:08:31 edit due to beer Originally by: dayne steel and that is the reason things like this dont work "idiots" like all of you putting it down and making fun of something that could help out in the long run and make this a better game for us all... grow up and smell the roses Thats not it. CAOD is (has become, loooong ago) the place for 0.0 warfare/politics/propaganda. FW is not 0.0 warfare/politics/propaganda. CAOD is also comprised of 90% alt/shit posting (Im gulity of a few, no alt tho), and we do not need any additions to it. What Im saying is that FW needs its own forum as there is no relationship between 0.0 and FW. I am not saying FW sucks or anything. I am saying (and alot of others) that we, 0.0 entitys just do not give a fsck about FW. (generalization ftw) Highlighted the parts I found particularly interesting. FW was supposed to be designed as a training ground/ bridge to pvp and 0.0 and its succeeding at that. Raw nublets are being trained up and are becoming quite skilled. Sure there are still alot of lolfits and shitty comms discipline on some ops, but ive been on worse in 0.0. Ive also seen quite a few alts of 0.0 chars recruiting from FW militias (well at least thats whats going on in the FDU) Secondly the idea that you represent all of 0.0 is laughable, or that there is even a consensus of "0.0 people" or for that matter, that CAOD forum warriors represents said consensus. The fact that so many people I know from 0.0 corps are in FW now clearly conflicts with the idea that people dont care about it. Maybe you dont, but thats something else entirely. I agree with you that FW needs its own seperate forum though. Not because "FW has nothing to do with 0.0- the 'real eve'" but because I would hate to see people get turned off getting involved in arguably the best expansion/direction ccp has taken eve because of all the shitposts/smacktards in CAOD.
Athon NooB Silver Dragon Defense Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.16 05:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Wusti Edited by: Wusti on 16/07/2008 01:14:19 Fairly accurate I guess. Trying to create an effective "alliance" out of FW corps/players would only be an exercise in futility. FW is a cool idea, but was always going to lose its shine for older, more experienced players. The sheer number of noobs and egos was always going to make sure of that. Having said that, it is also a GREAT avenue for budding PvPers to learn the craft. To the OP - once it was moved to here the thread's fate was sealed. Stop crying and whining and organise your own gangs and teams and just do it. Edited PS: One word of advice is to stay away from the noob gate camps and set yourselves realistic goals and focus your efforts on these - it might just pay off. As an 'older, more experienced player' I can say I have never had more fun playing EvE. My RL does not allow for alliance crap atm, so I log on, go solo or join a small gang, and combat is never more than a few jumps away. There are a lot of vets who lub combat, but don't have the RL time to do so, FW is the ultimate vehicle to do so. NooB's, yeah, there are all in big-assed fleets learning the ropes. The Vets are out there having fun in one on one. I have been in seven? alliances (even a few good ones), and none compare to the fun-level FW offers. Athon
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.07.16 05:23:00 - [34] I guess Factional Warfare is awsome for those who doesn't enjoy POS warfare ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
Wusti The New Era	Posted - 2008.07.16 05:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Elhina Novae I guess Factional Warfare is awsome for those who doesn't enjoy POS warfare Not as simple as that - originally NPC 0.0 was meant to be that bridge, and tbh it meets it admirably still - Syndicate is just a crapload of fun - by and large without POS warfare as well.Its just horses for courses I guess. _______________________ Welcome to The New Era
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.16 05:41:00 - [36] Factional warfare more like fictional warfare, where's the fun in following some random FC at risk of losing your ships all over a bunch of fluff written by CCP?
newo ikin	Posted - 2008.07.16 05:59:00 - [37] Edited by: newo ikin on 16/07/2008 06:01:45 Edited by: newo ikin on 16/07/2008 05:59:44 well im with dayne i think an alliance colud be just what we need. if we do thoe whole name out of a hat thing for op leadership then only good can come of it due to the whittleing down of names. at the end of the day if it dont work then we can always brake it off and go our seprit ways. but i honestly think it would be a good way to make news and proove an afective way to counter opoasing forces newo ikin
dayne steel Caldari StrikerCorp	Posted - 2008.07.16 06:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Stahlregen Factional warfare more like fictional warfare, where's the fun in following some random FC at risk of losing your ships all over a bunch of fluff written by CCP? oh right... so a corp that war decs you just coz they can is a good reason to die have a think about the "fluff" that is dribbling from your mouth
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.16 06:22:00 - [39] Edited by: Stahlregen on 16/07/2008 06:23:42 Edited by: Stahlregen on 16/07/2008 06:22:56 Edited by: Stahlregen on 16/07/2008 06:22:25 Originally by: dayne steel Originally by: Stahlregen Factional warfare more like fictional warfare, where's the fun in following some random FC at risk of losing your ships all over a bunch of fluff written by CCP? oh right... so a corp that war decs you just coz they can is a good reason to die have a think about the "fluff" that is dribbling from your mouth ja it's conscious choice made by a group of corporate pirates not a conflict invented by the game makers- You know.. the opposite to player politics and immersion, of which had previously made eve so unique and unlike any other games.
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2008.07.16 06:24:00 - [40] Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Raw nublets are being trained up and are becoming quite skilled. In the agregate I can say, thats a crock of shit. The only ones successful in FW are the ones who had any idea what they were doing before FW. FW serves to turn new players or lifelong carebears onto pvp and make them seek out ways to get better, because they certainly aren't going to recieve any quality instruction in the laggy cluster**** that is the current iteration of FW. Sig removed for inappropriate content.~~~Applebabe
Seatoo Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.16 08:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Dapanman1 Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Raw nublets are being trained up and are becoming quite skilled. In the agregate I can say, thats a crock of shit. The only ones successful in FW are the ones who had any idea what they were doing before FW. FW serves to turn new players or lifelong carebears onto pvp and make them seek out ways to get better, because they certainly aren't going to recieve any quality instruction in the laggy cluster**** that is the current iteration of FW.
Jelena Jinx Gallente Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.07.16 09:13:00 - [42] Originally by: dayne steel I have made this post in the hopes that we can help out out fellow Caldari. Our militia is in chaos. What i propose is to elect leaders for the faction. eg: by people voting out of the best Fleet Commanders in the militia. A governing body to take charge of the situation and turn the tide of war, smashing fleets of 50+ each against each other is not the way to go about things. Tactics are required and battle plans need to be drawn up so that we don't just make a mad rush over no-mans-land like in WW1, shooting the heck out of each other and then running back to our respective trenches. So for this to happen we all need to think long and hard. I would ask that anyone that has had Fleet Commander experience with the militia to step forward and put there names into the barrel. then once we have a sufficient number of names to begin then it will be cast to a vote so that we can find the best of the best and then start assigning roles for each person as well as backup positions as not everyone is online 24/7. Thank you all for taking the time to read this, and happy hunting. Contact me in game if you have any questions my user name is below. dayne steel caldari milita is full of stupid carebears.... its 1000000000 times worse to get them to work together than to herd cats
Squably Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.16 10:17:00 - [43] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to CAOD. Undo please Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
TheTerribleTerryTate Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.07.16 10:29:00 - [44] Edited by: TheTerribleTerryTate on 16/07/2008 10:30:35 Wow. I tho't COAD poaster ovens were allergic to non-COAD stuff. Shouldn't everyone be screaming "I'M MEEEELTING!" and siraltsalots complaining of RedrashandhiveSwarmFederations? EDIT: To add Moderator-Be-Gone, I will now insert text relevant to the OP. Hi. I don't like FW. But that's okay. You have fun with your pew-pew. -- No Pain No Game! POST WITH YOUR ALT!
Nsiah	Posted - 2008.07.16 12:04:00 - [45] Edited by: Nsiah on 16/07/2008 12:06:30 Edited by: Nsiah on 16/07/2008 12:05:20 FW is great fun - nothing much to loose, instant pvp fix. Log on pew pew log off - loose the odd ship, usually low cost so who cares. Makes a nice break from the serious gameplay in 0.0 edit: I am in a FW corp so no idea why it doesnt show in my tag - so dont delete me !!
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.16 12:26:00 - [46] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 16/07/2008 12:26:43 What tactics do you need? Follow the Minmatar example - beat the **** out of your enemies, and when they run to highsec for a few days to lick their wounds, take their systems. Repeat as necessary. PS: CCP, your forum filter fails hard . Click me! You know you want to...
rValdez5987 Amarr Tacos Revolution	Posted - 2008.07.16 13:03:00 - [47] First of all, HAS ANYONE DONE A BARREL ROLL? Secondly this thread needs more DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU. third, I am an FC, and will be running small suicide gangs. Fit cheap, obey my orders, and we will kill stuff. You will die, we will go out again. (yes I run fleets just like Angelonico, however I wont call you a **ot if you screw up or otherwise ** me off. Ill just order the fleet to primary you, and send you home in a pod instead.) Im open to participating wherever I can in militia, time allowing. We dont need leadership like a 0,0 alliance with the mandatory ops, but we do need leadership in order to have coordination.
Funkcikle Gallente MicroFunks	Posted - 2008.07.16 15:31:00 - [48] less forum poasting and Moar undocking from Squids and Slave fondlers please. Move your ships to the designated kerplosion areas
The Anointed Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.16 16:28:00 - [49] I have only been in a single fleet so far thanks to being too lazy to log in these days, but it was awesome. A rag tag pile of shit caldari fleet jump 6 jumps and a rag tag bunch of shit gallente/minny fleet warp to our gate and the fight begins. Minutes later the field is full of the corpses of few month old char's and their civilian fitted rifters. Flying in mobs is far more entertaining than flying with any form of structure. Anyway, what you are suggesting is totally pointless unless you have the entire militia join a bunch of corps. Adding structure to what is essentially a mob of alts and new players is a job that is beyond the reach of anyone in eve imo. If you want to make an impact then get into a corp with about 20 motivated people and you could probably do more damage in a shorter time than you could if you tried to organise this lot.
Transmaniacon Minmatar Strike-Force-Alpha	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:14:00 - [50] Try advertising this to the fellow militia corps. You should get the CEOs to join a channel or mailing list, announcing specific ops, and where to meet, ship types, etc. Have everyone grouped up in certain squads, things like sniper squads, tacklers, electronic warfare, etc. Make use of eve voice, require it for your fleet (we all know everyone has it...). I imagine organizing such a large group of people would be a nightmare, but if you can advertise this better to the militia, you might gain support. The only thing you will gain from CAOD is a headache because people here are not capable of providing information and support.
Darth Syphils Amarr Noshikkan	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:34:00 - [51] Originally by: rValdez5987 First of all, HAS ANYONE DONE A BARREL ROLL? Secondly this thread needs more DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU. third, I am an FC, and will be running small suicide gangs. Fit cheap, obey my orders, and we will kill stuff. You will die, we will go out again. (yes I run fleets just like Angelonico, however I wont call you a **ot if you screw up or otherwise ** me off. Ill just order the fleet to primary you, and send you home in a pod instead.) Im open to participating wherever I can in militia, time allowing. We dont need leadership like a 0,0 alliance with the mandatory ops, but we do need leadership in order to have coordination. Sorry to say but forming up a fleet for 3 and 1/2 hours and watching your corpies get ganked by star fraction wasent fun for me at all, neither was the part when one of your corpies was begging people in the militia for a free raven because he didnt wanna risk losing his domi. Anyways the taco fleets are kinda cool just just a suggestion, form up the fleets quicker and tell your corp mate to leave begging for free ships and mods for corp chat. And stop the recruitemnt spam in militia. Darth
Cpt Lollercakes Warriors of COAD	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Funkcikle less forum poasting and Moar undocking from Squids and Slave fondlers please. Move your ships to the designated kerplosion areas Clearly a BoB alt!
Napro Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Shikome Alluin What Im saying is that FW needs its own forum as there is no relationship between 0.0 and FW. Too bad this isn't the 0.0 Forum Corporation: State Protectorate Alliance: Caldari State Organization: FW I can officially post here
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2008.07.16 17:50:00 - [54] You'll never be able to impose organization (even your bad version thereof) on a random collection of people with no stake in what you're selling. You can by force of will, beat it into some people for a little while, but beyond that, you are shouting in the wind. If you actually want to be successful, form your own corporation, recruit the people you met in FW that were enjoyable, and build a group that fights together and cares about itself. Treating FW like an alliance is like signing up to join the biggest cr*ppiest alliance you've ever experienced. I can't think why you'd have wanted to do that before FW, I can't see why you'd want to now.
Gromik Mining Bytes Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:28:00 - [55] Edited by: Gromik on 16/07/2008 18:27:58 For someone who loathes 0.0 alliance politics, POS warfare, and needing to clear a 2 hour chunk of time just to PvP, FW is wonderful. I'm enjoying it so far- no need to form up a blob to do something, no FC pitching a fit about participation, no 30 jumps just to not find a target. It's great for someone who likes to fight, doesn't have the time to travel halfway across the galaxy for a target, and can get low sec PvP in without having a sec status hit or requiring sentry-tanking. It's kinda nice having a war with lots of targets, no station-camping (that I've seen), and a nice mix of engagements. /me waves at an old enemy posting above Gromik Mining Bytes, Inc. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:28:00 - [56] Adding leadership to FW will never work for 3 reasons: 1-Leaders have no actual control over the FW blocks. They can't kick or demote or remove roles from anyone. 2-Leaders have no control over the quality of players in their group. FW is automatically the lowest common denominator of the worst pilots available. 3-FW groups have no ability to build infrastructure or claim space or build supercapitals as alliances can. Quality leaders are near impossible to find even when those qualities are met. Why would leaders flock to the opportunity to be impotent and herd cats? Sounds like a job made of SUCK to me. - - - Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.07.16 18:40:00 - [57] First off, I know, I'm being bad by posting here. We try to stay off this forum as much as possible. Second. Seems people DO want a fleet instead of a Blob. I remember all the ridicule that idea got. People claiming there was no difference. Well, there is a huge difference and the effects can clearly be seen in these FW battles. The rest of our leadership might shoot me for this, but the only way you are going to end up with a fleet is by putting some work in ahead of time. I am normally against revealing anything that the Uni teaches to outsiders, but I think I will in this one instance. It's not like all the spies we're riddled with cannot find it out anyway. Quote: In order to maximize our fleet's effectiveness and take advantage of the fleet system's ability to allow multiple people to give out fleet invites, the proper method for forming a fleet is below. 1. Fleet Commander (Whoever is forming the fleet) right-clicks on his name and forms a fleet with himself. This puts him at FC, with one wing and one squad. He should then add 3-4 more squads to wing 1, then create a second wing to place scouts. (If fleet size is known to be larger, more wings should be created, typically with 3-4 squads each BEFORE others are invited, this allows squads to be properly numbered for the wings. The last wing made however should be the wing for scouts. 2. FC calls in alliance chat for people with leadership skills. For large fleets, start with Wing Commanders (WC) and smaller fleets Squad Commanders (SC). So you might put "Everyone with SC title or leadership 5 please put SC into alliance chat." 3. FC invites WC's and SC's to their proper positions, so that when each member joins, they will not require moving. This is done by right clicking on the name in alliance and highlighting invite to fleet and selecting the position you want to fill. Wing 1>Squad 1>Squad commander. 4. Once WC's and SC's are in place, fleet recruiting is turned over to them and the WC or FC should call for each role in turn. There are four roles in the fleet typically: Scouts (This should be called for first), Electronic Warfare (EW), Tacklers (T) and Damage (dam). WC's and SC's will then fill their squads from the available pilots while the FC coordinates with scouts and gathers intel. Notice, there are no X's involved here and when you are called, you should put in your role followed by ship class. Example: EW - blackbird, T- rifter, Dam - Raven. This method will allow a fleet to be formed very quickly, with balanced squads capable of independent action. FC's can also designate specialty squads as well, by telling that SC to take only certain ship types. This can be an EW squad, tackler Squad, or even a heavy squad of BC or battleships. Believe me, if people will watch and listen, this way is very fast and effective at building a fleet. So if you really want a fleet and not a blob...it's going to take effort on the part of the would be leaders to make it happen. I believe even with a pick up gang, you can use this information to form an organized group, as opposed to a budged up mob. A few more details on the SC/WC part. WC - Has the wing commander skill, when called for, would put WC# into alliance/militia. #=the skill level. This lets the FC know how many squads that wing commander can pass bonuses to. SC - Squad commander - In militia cases, I would simply call for people with Leadership 5, to ensure they can pass bonuses to a full squad. This has been a gift to EVE Online from Eve University. Enjoy. Silentbrick Fleet Admiral Ivy League
Zathi Shaitan Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants	Posted - 2008.07.16 22:31:00 - [58] Originally by: Kaleeb What makes you think a leader has to be a fleet commander? QFT. OP has no idea about strategy, or hierarchy. Move along, nothing to see. ---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus? http://loseloose.com/
McFly C0LDFIRE	Posted - 2008.07.17 04:51:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to CAOD. So does this mean that CAOD is the official Militia Sub-Forum? --
Cazius Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2008.07.17 07:33:00 - [60] Originally by: McFly Originally by: CCP Mitnal Moved to CAOD. So does this mean that CAOD is the official Militia Sub-Forum? I most certainly not hope so. too much 0.0 entities around here who never give a **** about FW but feel the need to post and actually read it anyway. But they don't give a fu<k about FW..... Actually I like the chaos in FW. That keeps the fun in it instead of fat 0.0 blokes being all damn serious about the fights. Backstabbing, blobbing, bubbeling, smacking etc. Great tactics in 0.0.... I do not mind you guys giving advice, but keep the smack in other threads.

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