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Maestro Del'Tirith Del'Tirith Holdings	Posted - 2008.07.17 02:19:00 - [91] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 How's things by the way? chat with me in game some time. Hush, he's busy making sure my dividend is good to go this week
Kwint Sommer Caldari Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.07.17 02:51:00 - [92] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Originally by: Kwint Sommer By the way, I still have not heard a word from EBANK about the secured loan request I made yesterday. In a few more hours I'm going to have to look elsewhere or just liquidate some stuff.... All done Kwint along with an evemail. Sorry about the delay Thanks and sorry about *****ing so much when it was barely 24 hours but there was one hell of a deal and I didn't want to let it slip through my fingers. I'm sure you know how that feels. AC, thanks for the offer and we definitely need to catch up. Ricdic, you too. I want to hear all about this 100-something billion scheme you guys have going. I've got some stories to tell too but now I'm gona finish my scotch and go to bed. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.17 07:25:00 - [93] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/07/2008 07:35:11 Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Kwint Sommer getting so partisan and viscous That should be vicious, not viscous. Perhaps from now on you'll think twice before swallowing stuff that originates from Ebank Ricdic. Motherships
Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.17 07:28:00 - [94] I withdrew about 2/3rds of my cash due to needing a new set of implants. I still have money on deposit, and will be putting some more cash in once I sell a few things I made.
Mr Horizontal Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.17 07:55:00 - [95] Shar, I'm afraid I still need to ask one small question for everyone's benefit: What, precisely, do you want to achieve? Director \| www.eve-bank.net
Gigi Kent Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.17 09:42:00 - [96] Originally by: HawkBlade Originally by: Kwint Sommer You'll note he usually uses the same one for a few days then switches. That's probably him signing a different account into the forum. I've personally logged onto Ric's account when his computer was down. I moved around 140 billion in isk to various people's to cover responsibilities. So I can most assuredly tell you that Ric specifically chooses what toon he wants to post with depending on Ric's purpose. He posts mostly with Ebank Ricdic as constantly branding is part of his power and prestige. Erm....? -------------------------- Sig do what now?
LuthienTinuviel The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.07.17 09:59:00 - [97] Originally by: Mr Horizontal Shar, I'm afraid I still need to ask one small question for everyone's benefit: What, precisely, do you want to achieve? been stated as couple of times but it seems everyone misses the point (either that or I am misreading Shar's posts) Shar has said that he has no confidence in Ebank and that in good consiciense he was unable to remain part of Ebank and needed to make sure that people that were there for the fact that they trusted shar knew about that. Add in LaVista Vista (nice scruples there Mr CSM candidate) deciding to break a trust that shar had given him Ricdic's general shitting around threads and accusations of Shar "blackmaling" him then you get to where you are currently which is Ebank's pr has taken another nosedive of a 50 story building (oh and add in interesting moderation from CCP).
Mr Horizontal Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.17 10:23:00 - [98] Originally by: LuthienTinuviel been stated as couple of times but it seems everyone misses the point (either that or I am misreading Shar's posts) Shar has said that he has no confidence in Ebank and that in good consiciense he was unable to remain part of Ebank and needed to make sure that people that were there for the fact that they trusted shar knew about that. Add in LaVista Vista (nice scruples there Mr CSM candidate) deciding to break a trust that shar had given him Ricdic's general shitting around threads and accusations of Shar "blackmaling" him then you get to where you are currently which is Ebank's pr has taken another nosedive of a 50 story building (oh and add in interesting moderation from CCP). This doesn't answer my question. He's made these points already. What I am asking is a definitive list of action points he wants to see from EBANK in order for him to feel satisfied he's achieved what he set out to do. Director \| www.eve-bank.net
LuthienTinuviel The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.07.17 10:51:00 - [99] Originally by: Mr Horizontal Originally by: LuthienTinuviel stuff This doesn't answer my question. He's made these points already. What I am asking is a definitive list of action points he wants to see from EBANK in order for him to feel satisfied he's achieved what he set out to do. At a guess (quoted from Shar's resignation thread) Originally by: Hawkblade Subject: Last Resort: Private Meeting Date: 14 Jul 2008 00:55 (EST) Recipients: SencneS, Anastasia, Banni Vinda, Hexxx, PangGrohl, Selene D'Celeste, Mr Horizontal, LaVista Vista (BCC), Athre (BCC) I'm contacting everyone on the board simply because I do not think that any productive conversation can take place in front of Ricdic. I am concerned. I am worried and, in truth, I'm considering leaving. Not because of the bickering, though the bickering is I think a symptom, but because I'm losing confidence in eBank itself. As time goes by Ric is reporting less and less of who, what, where, when and/or how. What has me really spooked is not this Bob Guy at all, that's more the straw on the camel's back tbh. It was this 175b self approved loan that he failed to tell anyone about. Now if we all remember we adamantly decided that Ric could not just grant himself a loan without oversight. Long ago with the EO forum **ing post that he did where he said he could. Well, he did. And didn't bat an eye about it. If not for him mentioning it in passing over MSN to me I don't know if the board would have any clue to where 175 billion went. Now, I don't want to stab the man but this latest volley of his, "keep in your place", has me at my last straw. The board of directors was a key integral part of the formation of eBank. Ricdic worked for us, not the other way around. I think that has been totally forgotten in his impetuousness and, sadly, we need to move forward either with admitting we are no longer in charge and responsible or we take the necessary action in front of us. I'm not going to politic you, I don't want the *ing job either. But I am going to tell you what is plainly in front of us... Caesar must go. I fear it is simply a case of him or us and the sooner that decision is made. either direction, the better for us all. Either way this turns out I'm going to do what I have to do to maintain my integrity. If matters are left at status quo, I'm gone. If matters are for Ricdic, again I'm gone. I will not stick around and let an impetuous child destroy me and my good name like he almost let Cally near destroy Seems fairly clear in that what Shar is looking to happen it also seems patently clear from the one responce he said he recieved to it that you guys either don't check your PM's much OR don't really care about the extent of ricdic's control percieved or otherwise. /me shrugs maybe that message is a good place to start Mr Horizontal although I am perhaps overstepping the bounds here as I cannot speak for Shar merely infer from what I know of him and from reading the posts he has made here and in the other thread. (Caesar must go* was probably an important bit in that note just FYI)
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.07.17 11:33:00 - [100] Originally by: LuthienTinuviel Seems fairly clear in that what Shar is looking to happen it also seems patently clear from the one responce he said he recieved to it that you guys either don't check your PM's much OR don't really care about the extent of ricdic's control percieved or otherwise. The third option could be that the others don't feel the same way maybe?

Gigi Kent Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:41:00 - [101] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Originally by: LuthienTinuviel Seems fairly clear in that what Shar is looking to happen it also seems patently clear from the one responce he said he recieved to it that you guys either don't check your PM's much OR don't really care about the extent of ricdic's control percieved or otherwise. The third option could be that the others don't feel the same way maybe? That says more about the board than it does about Shar tbh. From what I have seen so far, Shar was burned and burned bad, He decided to clear his conscience for his sake and for the publics sake.....yet he's coming out of this whole debacle worse off than ebank. I can only see this getting worse for Ebank, theres no semblance of a team spirit and they have lost the one member who calls people out on decisions and speaks up against dodgy decisions. Whatever way this unravels, its going to be interesting to see how the biggest bank in eve online is going to handle this scandal. IMO, Ebank has just lost any semblance of professionalism it had. Giving a self loan of 33% of ebanks liquid isk (right?) for probably less than the average % rate is wrong, no matter what way you look at it. If any member of ebank wants to take a loan from ebank, they should be a customer. Just like everyone else. Double standards got you where you are today. -------------------------- Sig do what now?
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:48:00 - [102] Originally by: LuthienTinuviel (oh and add in interesting moderation from CCP). Given the viciousness of the thread, I really am surprised it wasn't locked sooner. Honestly, it should have been locked after page 3.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:58:00 - [103] Let me try and explain what I am talking about regarding over-exaggeration. Below is an exerpt from Shar's email to all the other board behind my back: Originally by: LuthienTinuviel As time goes by Ric is reporting less and less of who, what, where, when and/or how. What has me really spooked is not this Bob Guy at all, that's more the straw on the camel's back tbh. It was this 175b self approved loan that he failed to tell anyone about. 1) The new coder - The head coder and our chairman (Horizontal and Hexxx) had complete knowledge of this coder and we all agreed together that he should be hired. So I am getting the whole blame off Shar here for nothing. We had no processes in place regarding hiring and no requirement for a board vote to hire a new addition to the team. However, it should have been brought to the boards attention in a post before giving him forum access, that I have already agreed with. Even now that it has been brought to their attention it hasn't been met with much negativity anyway. 2) 175b self approved loan. This is the biggest load of rubbish and a complete lie. It's not a loan in any way, shape of form. It was an investment into a different operation. There is NO loan whatsoever and this was never stated as a loan in our internal forums, always as an internally secured investment. As for failing to tell anyone, people were told from the day it started. They were told when the investment was only at 20b, they were told when it went to 50, they were told when it went beyond that. For over a week constant updates on the situation were provided and Shar was well apprised of the situation plus he had no qualms with it. The ONLY wrongdoing here was that there was no formal board vote prior to actioning it. Since then there has been a board vote and interestingly it recieved 100% support from all the voters. In fact, it was exceeded not to 175b but to a total of 33% of the funds (currently about 220b). This is an investment completely secured by EBANK in a completely different area than our loans and external investments. If anything, this expansion is a huge increase in security and performance for EBANK as we are now heavily diversified. Plus the investment is in a very minimal risk environment. Sure, a patch change (one of the largest one in Eve history) could damage the operation, but it would not occur without a very large amount of notice. Read what Shar wrote, and then read the non-dramatised versions I have written and it may paint a different story. Shar showed zero concern regarding the 175b venture for the entire 1-2 weeks it was running and is only bringing it up now to try and fuel his cause. I have, and will agree that WE dropped the ball when hiring the new coder by not first letting people know he was coming (by we, I mean the 3 directors involved, not me alone). Regarding the large investment I should have put through a board vote so I am at fault here, however Shar and the rest of the board are equally at fault for not questioning the operation as they watched it grow daily from 20b to 140b or whatever it is now. There's no real drama to see here, just an irate employee spinning facts to suit his cause (whatever that may be).
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.17 13:01:00 - [104] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/07/2008 13:02:27 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Originally by: LuthienTinuviel Seems fairly clear in that what Shar is looking to happen it also seems patently clear from the one responce he said he recieved to it that you guys either don't check your PM's much OR don't really care about the extent of ricdic's control percieved or otherwise. The third option could be that the others don't feel the same way maybe? Actually Ricdic, the others are smart enough not to pay attention to your megalomania, besides they have their own agenda and it's in their best interest to shut up and get payed. You on the other hand are not content with your social status / menial job [ Originally by: EBANK Ricdic ] Hehe well I wouldn't call it a consulting business. I have no RL experience in these fields whatsoever (I work on an internet help desk telling people the phone cord from the modem needs to be plugged into the wall if they want working internet). and somehow you feel like compensating for that in game, whenever the opportunity arises. Everyone in Ebank has worked hard to get it to where it is now. Somehow you believe that you're better than the rest. Problem is that Shar is way older than you and could not take your "keep in your place" crap. Motherships
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.07.17 13:25:00 - [105] I at this thread Can we all just be friends ffs? Trinity Corporate Services
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.17 13:27:00 - [106] That's the last bit of info I'll be adding to this thread. Motherships
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.17 13:28:00 - [107] Originally by: northwesten Can we all just be friends ffs? Look mom, I just found out whom Oveur is ingame! grin Ah, the immortal words of Oveur. Made my day
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.17 13:34:00 - [108] Guys, The Board is fine, our staff are fine, internally there is nothing like the turmoil we see here on the EVE-O forums. We're back to normal discussions internally and honestly, it's easier to ignore the kind of blatant trolling we see around here when we have things to do for EBANK. We've got some big updates to our EBANK code in testing right now and a new role framework to finalize. Again, we have a statement coming. Multiple points have been touched on so far and if you don't wish to believe the Directors than fine...but just because you don't like the answers doesn't mean the answers are going to change. Director \| www.eve-bank.net
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2008.07.17 13:51:00 - [109] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: northwesten Can we all just be friends ffs? Look mom, I just found out whom Oveur is ingame! grin Ah, the immortal words of Oveur. Made my day Trinity Corporate Services
LuthienTinuviel The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.07.17 16:19:00 - [110] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: northwesten Can we all just be friends ffs? Look mom, I just found out whom Oveur is ingame! grin Ah, the immortal words of Oveur. Made my day Hmm depends if your going to put that knife your holding into my back or not you seem to have started out fairly well with doing that to Shar so who knows if you will continue with other in the same manner /me shrugs. Anyway I am down with this now. Oh and kaazac mate the moderation I was talking about was not the lock but rather the Mods using the magic vanishing wand on a single post that I have looked over on eve-search about 3 or 4 times now and can still see absolutely zero reason it was disapeered for.

MilowFV Echo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:12:00 - [111] I ve read both threads and only really have two things to add and hell they aren't even new items. I really thing Ebank needs to have a firm policy on only having the PR person post. If any other member has something to add they should just tell the PR person and let them deal with it. LV I really thing you drop the ball when you told Shar that you would hold what he told you in confidence and then turned around and told others. If you can't keep your word don't give it. Trying to justify it after the fact to yourself or others doesn't help the situation either. Just my thoughs after reading thru both post.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:30:00 - [112] Edited by: Kazzac Elentria on 17/07/2008 17:29:49 Originally by: LuthienTinuviel Oh and kaazac mate the moderation I was talking about was not the lock but rather the Mods using the magic vanishing wand on a single post that I have looked over on eve-search about 3 or 4 times now and can still see absolutely zero reason it was disapeered for. Ahh... I ducked out of that one early in the day, so I missed it. Looking at it now on eve-search.... I tend to agree with your assessment though. I'll hold my tounge until I get the official fallout statement, just try not to keep us waiting to long. I have about 10 investors breathing down my back right about now.
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.17 18:05:00 - [113] Originally by: YouGotRipped That's the last bit of info I'll be adding to this thread. Actually that would be the first, since all you've added previously to the quoted statement is in fact opinion.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.17 18:51:00 - [114] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/07/2008 18:57:35 Originally by: Joss Sparq Originally by: YouGotRipped That's the last bit of info I'll be adding to this thread. Actually that would be the first, since all you've added previously to the quoted statement is in fact opinion. Ever heard of Semiotics? I'm sure you meant to emphasize the difference bewteen factual data and opinions but wtf... we 're all compasionate towards Ricdic's condition. Even I. Motherships
CornerStoner	Posted - 2008.07.17 21:33:00 - [115] I don't know about everyone else, but the establishment of a PR person for EBank would make this "drama-bomb" (and any future incidents) much less dramatic. Hell, even people who are suspects in crimes hire PR people to handle the press and public statements. It only seems prudent that a virtual Bank the size of yours would seek to protect it's reputation and standing among it's depositors. Hopefully your board agrees.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.07.17 22:23:00 - [116] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 17/07/2008 22:27:02 Originally by: CornerStoner I don't know about everyone else, but the establishment of a PR person for EBank would make this "drama-bomb" (and any future incidents) much less dramatic. Hell, even people who are suspects in crimes hire PR people to handle the press and public statements. It only seems prudent that a virtual Bank the size of yours would seek to protect it's reputation and standing among it's depositors. Hopefully your board agrees. There's already a PR person and the fact that only he should have been posting came up a lot. Reading Comprehension -3 Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
mr bighelmet EnTech	Posted - 2008.07.17 22:40:00 - [117] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 17/07/2008 22:27:02 Originally by: CornerStoner I don't know about everyone else, but the establishment of a PR person for EBank would make this "drama-bomb" (and any future incidents) much less dramatic. Hell, even people who are suspects in crimes hire PR people to handle the press and public statements. It only seems prudent that a virtual Bank the size of yours would seek to protect it's reputation and standing among it's depositors. Hopefully your board agrees. There's already a PR person and the fact that only he should have been posting came up a lot. Reading Comprehension -3 And the fact that even though there is a PR in place other members decide they should post even though they shouldn't explain a lot. If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest
Anastasia Heron Amarr Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.17 22:40:00 - [118] Edited by: Anastasia Heron on 17/07/2008 22:43:23 For my part, I was disappointed to see Shar go. I like him as a person and as a business partner, and his voice will be missed. I wasn't, however, prepared to move for the removal of Ricdic from EBANK. While the bank isn't Ric's playground, he's certainly integral to its operation, and does a great deal behind the scenes to ensure that the bank runs smoothly. He is always willing to step up and get things done when things are stalling or nobody is willing to step up. Given the choice between losing Shar and losing Ric and having no third option, I chose the ever-popular "abstain", as that was a tempest I wasn't willing to get in the midst of. The results speak for themselves. In terms of the ISK, the simple fact of it is that we need to diversify in order to grow, we can't rely solely on loans for our income stream. Various projects are underway headed by various people, myself included. These project require ISK to operate, naturally, unless you really want us to rat in noobships in 0.8 space to meet our interest commitments. PP is far and away doing more than we would expect from any of our debtors, which is only appropriate as he works for us. PP has been given our expectations and is working to exceed them. Pay has not been discussed, meaning he is currently working for free. Obviously he will be paid at some point, but we don't know when or how much or what sort of retroactivity there will be, so if you wish to say he is being paid an unknown amount, have a great time with that. There is no conspiracy to cover up anything or keep anyone in the dark, and I fully believe all of our directors, both past and present, are doing the best they can. I don't understand why people are so anxious to see us fail or expose grand conspiracies and secret MSN dealings. The unfortunate fact is that there are people who would only be satisfied if they could read all of our internal postings, comment on all of them, then sit back and smirk as their divine advice isn't followed to the letter. If your happiness is predicated on our failure (or success, for that matter), I feel sorry for you. Go outside. Call some immediate family members. Find a webcomic or two (I recommend XKCD). Just stop trying to one-up everything and everyone you see. Or if you really need to feel superior, read celebrity blogs; You'll be busy for days. In the meantime, you play your game, we'll play ours. And maybe we'll all have fun doing it. After all, isn't that the point? ----- Originally by: CCP Mitnal please don't make allegations about other people's sexuality, post in avoidance of the forum filter and especially not post derogatory comments about someone else's mother
CornerStoner	Posted - 2008.07.17 22:54:00 - [119] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 17/07/2008 22:27:02 Originally by: CornerStoner I don't know about everyone else, but the establishment of a PR person for EBank would make this "drama-bomb" (and any future incidents) much less dramatic. Hell, even people who are suspects in crimes hire PR people to handle the press and public statements. It only seems prudent that a virtual Bank the size of yours would seek to protect it's reputation and standing among it's depositors. Hopefully your board agrees. There's already a PR person and the fact that only he should have been posting came up a lot. Reading Comprehension -3 My reading comprehension is fine. Thank you. Being the PR person in title and actually performing the job are two different things. (in case you didn't know) Ability to read between the lines -2
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.07.18 05:03:00 - [120] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 17/07/2008 19:23:57 Originally by: Joss Sparq Originally by: YouGotRipped That's the last bit of info I'll be adding to this thread. Actually that would be the first, since all you've added previously to the quoted statement is in fact opinion. Ever heard of Semiotics? I'm sure you meant to emphasize the difference bewteen factual data and opinions but wtf... we're all compasionate towards Ricdic's condition and at least worried about the fate of eBank. Even I. What I meant to emphasize was that I believe there is a difference between "info" (information) and what you had been contributing, which in this thread has been little else than instructing select individuals to sever their own *****. Hardly something I would call informative and certainly not something I would consider to be constructive in this context. Anyway, that will do for me. If your anticipated quality of response is anything akin to your usual template of behavior expressed around here I suppose I should have expended this energy in some manner more likely to be productive.



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