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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2835
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Posted - 2012.03.19 18:50:00 -
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"i do not find the goons interesting, just tiresome" - person who is constantly posting about goons |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.19 19:34:00 -
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Hello Weasel, it passed the time. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10341
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:03:00 -
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I, too, pass the time engrossed in things about which I claim not to care. This is why you will find that I am the single most prolific poster on the forums dot EVE Online, you see, because I don't care about EVE Online. How much don't I care about it, you ask? A little bit over ten thousand likes worth, that's how much. And nothing you say or do will make me care about it, no sir! PS I am a super rich guy in real life and my supermodel girlfriend(s) all think you're pathetic. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar; Space Friend to All Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10341
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:05:00 -
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also you're literallyhitler Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar; Space Friend to All Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:26:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sidus, are you the youngest member of the Goons?
Or is it just your spite filled posts that make you seem so young and immature?
I'm not the one using the deaths of 50 million people to create a false argument about internet spaceship politics. Only a child or someone completely lacking empathy would do that. Not only that, but your character is named after one of the principle architects (Iosef Stalin) of both the major genocides in WW2 as well as before WW2 in the Ukraine.
Which is more mature? Using a tragedy as a tool for an online argument or actually being able to consider such a serious topic inappropriate for this forum. In your hatred of us, you've become much worse than we are. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.19 20:41:00 -
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I did not, and would not assert that the Goons were in any way copying the third reich. I am simply of the opinion that a self proclaimed political operator like mittens should have been, well, a bit more politcally savvy.
I am well aware of what' Uncle Joe' did in his time.
Isaac Deutscher wrtote an excellent political biograpy of Stalin.
Oh, and I do not think the GoOns are bad. They have made Eve an even better game in many ways.
It is some of their more childish posters their terminology I have little time for - pubbies, aspies etc. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:23:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:45:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:I ...PS I am a super rich guy in real life and my supermodel girlfriend(s) all think you're pathetic.
You sure youGÇÖre not Cleve Grothsmore? |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.19 21:53:00 -
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The cross-bar on your house door...much rural crime, or to keep the other Goons out?
This post is meant to be light hearted by the way. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:12:00 -
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If you notice, the door doesn't have a deadbolt. I don't use that door and the 2x4 is more to keep the door closed than locked. It doesn't have weather stripping either so the bar keeps it from rattling in the wind and letting cold air into the house in winter. Read the captions for the pictures and you'll see that I'm tearing this house down and building a new one. |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10355
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:21:00 -
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Kai Tel wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I ...PS I am a super rich guy in real life and my supermodel girlfriend(s) all think you're pathetic. You sure youGÇÖre not Cleve Grothsmore? I wish I was half as unintentionally funny as that guy. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1258
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:59:00 -
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Sidus Sarmiang wrote:I've gotten the impression that this thread isn't so much "Why did people vote for Mittani", because that's been made clear, as it is "Why didn't people vote for me?"
It's already been made clear why people voted for Mittani.
They didn't vote for you for the following reasons:
1. Your big push came after voting was wrapping up. 2. Your big push consisted mostly of making threads here, which only appeals to a small audience. 3. Your ideas, which have something to do with walking in stations and mining, weren't fleshed out. 4. You focused on how much you hate goons and how you're the non-goon candidate rather than fleshing out your ideas and debating them. 5. Seriously, flesh out your damn ideas and debate them. If you ragepost about goons, we'll troll you because it means you're a fun diversion. Trolling a genuinely well reasoned, well intentioned, and well presented argument isn't something many of us would do. 6. Any ideas you do have are vastly overshadowed by your terrible campaign manager. How many anti-goon candidates have there been? How many have gotten more exposure than you? You're splitting a small vote.
My advice is this. You want to be the WiS/mining candidate? Put together the best goddamn set of ideas for mining and walking in stations anyone has ever seen and try again next year. Think of ways to use mining to bring industry to nullsec, make mining by non-botters viable and competitive, and all the other issues I'm not aware of. Present multiple solutions to each problem, debate pros and cons, and all that crap. Do the same thing for walking in stations, with the additional caveat that you need to explain why resources from flying in space should be diverted or how to avoid diverting resources.
Basically, you need to make it clear you absolutely know your **** and are not using a gimmick like "I hate goons grrr" to win. Then people will talk about your ideas rather than your joke of a campaign manager. Then maybe you'll get invited to debates (as it is, you'd fall more on the comedy/Xenuria spectrum of why someone would debate with you). In the debate, you'll get exposure. Then, maybe you'll win.
As it is, all I remember about you is you keep posting really stupid anti-goon threads and it's pretty funny but getting tired.
I started my effort well before the election began. I definitely didn't start this thread to understand why folks didn't vote for me. I genuinely wanted to understand who the spamming for mittens were persuaded and if the spammers really felt the got traction.
I don't hate goons, I was one once. Part of the friction I had with BRUCE that contributed to our leaving was they refused to "blue" the goons while we were in Syndicate. So stop repeating that lie.
And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".
I didn't ask for your advice as to how to run for the CSM. I asked if the pro mittens spam worked and why. It is part of my interest in the human nature aspects of life in Eve.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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esc shk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:05:00 -
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You're pretty stupid fyi. |
esc shk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:06:00 -
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Did you pay a :10bux: to post on our forums and then get permabanned Issler? |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:06:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".
Well, to address this comment which is obviously aimed at Hans (or at least partially), you realize the grand majority of the stuff in his platform is from the community itself? Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:09:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Y h'lo thar pubbies!
People like you would just continue to ignore the problems nullsec faces at best, and at worse, actively seek to make nullsec even worse than it already is. The Mittani wants to fix things all over the galaxy, he understands the problems people face everywhere, not just in their walled garden that they never leave. t.
First, a shout to someone else from E&B.
I have no desire and have never stated that I am anti-null. In fact I have stated repeatedly null is where the very best rewards should be found. What I do believe and have stated repeatedly is Eve needs to be viewed in its entirety, not just one segment without regard to what affect it has on the others. It is the giant intertwined balance of the 'verse in Eve that makes this game so good.
So your premise about what I stand for and would seek to do to Eve is elected to the CSM 7 is flat out wrong. I could say the same for some of the other candidates as well, your impression on how they would affect in a negative Eve is also skewed.
What you will do getting Mittens elected by an even larger margin in fact will damage the CSM in the long run. CCP has already said they are concerned about the skewed nature of the CSM members and the a large portion of players actively oppose the CSM as they view it as yet another power block meta-game. Reelection of Mittens with record numbers just makes that even clearer.
But thanks for a reply, even if I think your logic is flawed and that you didn't bother to research anything I've posted or represent.
If I could I'd contract you a Tada O Heart Shield to thank you for your reply.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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esc shk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:11:00 -
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Oh yes. Probably the most politically savvy player in the entire game getting elected by a clear margin is bad for the future of the game.
Dear Lord honey you and I need to have a talk |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:13:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".
Well, to address this comment which is obviously aimed at Hans (or at least partially), you realize the grand majority of the stuff in his platform is from the community itself?
It is not directed at Hans, I am just explaining why I didn't create a ginormous bible of "Eve According to Issler" which a lot of people have criticized me for nor providing. Its not like I'm new to Eve, not active in the forums and in Eve itself. By now I should be somewhat of a known quantity. Hans seems to be a pretty decent candidate and I expect him to do well in this election.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
9
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:20:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
I started my effort well before the election began. I definitely didn't start this thread to understand why folks didn't vote for me. I genuinely wanted to understand who the spamming for mittens were persuaded and if the spammers really felt the got traction.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
We post because most of the ideas that The Mittani has jive with our own.
As for gaining 'traction'? We do it partly to drum up votes, partly to generate comedy in the form of awful posts and threads from pubbies. #2 is far more successful than #1.
D Derp Rifter Pilot xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub CEO |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:21:00 -
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esc shk wrote:Oh yes. Probably the most politically savvy player in the entire game getting elected by a clear margin is bad for the future of the game.
Dear Lord honey you and I need to have a talk
Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!!
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:22:00 -
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D Derp wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
I started my effort well before the election began. I definitely didn't start this thread to understand why folks didn't vote for me. I genuinely wanted to understand who the spamming for mittens were persuaded and if the spammers really felt the got traction.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
We post because most of the ideas that The Mittani has jive with our own. As for gaining 'traction'? We do it partly to drum up votes, partly to generate comedy in the form of awful posts and threads from pubbies. #2 is far more successful than #1. D Derp Rifter Pilot xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub CEO
See, now that was a good reply!
Thanks!
Issler
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
9
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:26:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:esc shk wrote:Oh yes. Probably the most politically savvy player in the entire game getting elected by a clear margin is bad for the future of the game.
Dear Lord honey you and I need to have a talk Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!! Issler
The reason that a goon gets such massive amounts of votes isn't because he can make a reasoned argument for already popular ideas when he feels like it, and it's not because he can socialize like a normal human being and network with other internet spaceship nerds.
It's the -~goon metagame~-
e: I post this because your post that I quoted was an example of the #2 reason that I spoke of earlier in the thread! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2839
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:27:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".
Well, to address this comment which is obviously aimed at Hans (or at least partially), you realize the grand majority of the stuff in his platform is from the community itself? It is not directed at Hans, I am just explaining why I didn't create a ginormous bible of "Eve According to Issler" which a lot of people have criticized me for nor providing. Its not like I'm new to Eve, not active in the forums and in Eve itself. By now I should be somewhat of a known quantity. Hans seems to be a pretty decent candidate and I expect him to do well in this election. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate how do you mesh your belief you are a known quantity with your consistent failure to secure a real seat since csm2
wouldn't that imply eve has rejected you and will always do so |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2839
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:27:00 -
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D Derp wrote: e: I post this because your post that I quoted was an example of the #2 reason that I spoke of earlier in the thread!
everything issler posts is it owns |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:29:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Triskian wrote:Y h'lo thar pubbies!
People like you would just continue to ignore the problems nullsec faces at best, and at worse, actively seek to make nullsec even worse than it already is. The Mittani wants to fix things all over the galaxy, he understands the problems people face everywhere, not just in their walled garden that they never leave. t. First, a shout to someone else from E&B. I have no desire and have never stated that I am anti-null. In fact I have stated repeatedly null is where the very best rewards should be found. What I do believe and have stated repeatedly is Eve needs to be viewed in its entirety, not just one segment without regard to what affect it has on the others. It is the giant intertwined balance of the 'verse in Eve that makes this game so good. So your premise about what I stand for and would seek to do to Eve is elected to the CSM 7 is flat out wrong. I could say the same for some of the other candidates as well, your impression on how they would affect in a negative Eve is also skewed. What you will do getting Mittens elected by an even larger margin in fact will damage the CSM in the long run. CCP has already said they are concerned about the skewed nature of the CSM members and the a large portion of players actively oppose the CSM as they view it as yet another power block meta-game. Reelection of Mittens with record numbers just makes that even clearer. But thanks for a reply, even if I think your logic is flawed and that you didn't bother to research anything I've posted or represent. If I could I'd contract you a Tada O Heart Shield to thank you for your reply. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I wasn't arguing that I don't think you want to fix nullsec, I was arguing that you don't really understand the problems you want to fix. At best you would ignore nullsec, at worst you'd actively seek to make it worse. Somewhere in the middle lies you, or at least what it would seem you stand for: unintentially making it worse by trying to fix it because you don't understand it.
I've been following your campaign from the start, remember Magnusian? That's one of my alts. I was going to list them all in my original post but ran out of room due to the size limit. Originally I had hoped you were one of the more level-headed and sane candidates and was willing to even toss you a vote from one my alt accounts, but you've spent almost your entire campaing sabotaging yourself.
And if we're going to go cherry-picking from my post, I'll leave this here:
Quote: No one else has shown they have the balls, or really even the intelligence and capacity to lead this game in the direction it needs to go.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
PS I'm still single and rich, if you become my baby factory and quit eve I will buy you a flashy sportscar that goes vroom. I like cooking so I won't even make you cook dinner, unless you want to. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
9
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:33:00 -
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Sorry, I forgot to do this.
Issler Dainze wrote: But does anyone expect non-goon aligned or non-pro-goon pilots to be convinced to support him by the pro goon posts?
It seems pretty unlikely to me and in fact the volume of them might have a backlash.
They have supported him, and most people think eve-o is sort of a joke.
It's not like his platform is "delete all non-goonswarm titans" and "Give Deklein more tech moons" |
esc shk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.19 23:49:00 -
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Issler. Honey
We didn't push for the titan nerf (okay lol we did, but Mittens didn't exactly coerce CCP into it if you read his posts on the matter) We advocate nerfing of Technetium (We have a lot of it and we are far too rich because of it) Mittens got brand new newbie ships
If you could point out three things that Goons/Mittens are pushing for that are an example of the "EVIL GOONIE METAGAME" I'll pull out a compass and carve 'fancy that' on my ****. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1259
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:20:00 -
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esc shk wrote:Issler. Honey
We didn't push for the titan nerf (okay lol we did, but Mittens didn't exactly coerce CCP into it if you read his posts on the matter) We advocate nerfing of Technetium (We have a lot of it and we are far too rich because of it) Mittens got brand new newbie ships
If you could point out three things that Goons/Mittens are pushing for that are an example of the "EVIL GOONIE METAGAME" I'll pull out a compass and carve 'fancy that' on my ****.
Did I say I think he is "meta-gaming"? Looking carefully and I haven't. I said their is a clear perception in a lot of the players minds the there is meta-gaming going on with the CSM.
I generally don't wear a tinfoil hat so you'll have to ask someone else that has, just reporting what I see happening.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2840
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:23:00 -
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i do not say that issler dainze has no voters or supporters besides her pathetically large legion of alts: I merely allude to the fact that many people believe this |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2840
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:25:00 -
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i do not say that issler dainze has been arrested for indecent relations with a goat: i merely have stated there is a clear perception this has occurred and as a result we must either vote for a non-issler csm candidate or ensure there are no goats in iceland
but i do not myself say this, i merely report what the people believe |
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