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Bloody Mistake
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:29:00 -
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Hello fellas,
I have been wondering now for quite some time ... and talked to a number of people about it - and I still wonder what the Hyperion is actually good for. Or what it's supposed role is??
I mean: It's rather ****in expensive, compared to other battleships ... and does not do anything in particular very good.
Question is: Do i miss here something (quite possible as I am a rather new character), or should the Hyperion maybe be somewhat changed (specialized)? So that it does maybe fit any role at all? (remind: im not askin it to be uber).
Currently nobody with any sense seems to fly it all - in no situation what so ever.
So, suggestions anyone? (one might always hope that CCP actually takes a look here and implements some of it  ()
PS: excuse my english, i'm tryin.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:32:00 -
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It is good for low sec slugfest.
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Bloody Mistake
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
It is good for low sec slugfest.
Care to elaborate in which situation - let us call it "low sec slugfest" - it would make any sense to bring a hyperion?
Compared to a number of BS which are cheaper and do the job better in any scenario I can imagine?
Thx in advance, I'd really like some advice on that.
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Akuma Tsukai
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:59:00 -
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well i see it as fine turret mission and plexing ship. Granted, nothing outstanding, but not that bad either.
As for role - none. Bonus screams active tank me, but slot layout is..... bad for that (aint i polite  ), to say the least.
Proposed change: any of its bonuses changes to RoF - and we have a somewhta usefull ship. Would be either dps boat with 2 damage bonus or some sort of perversion which is interesting to try.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.18 19:07:00 -
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It is a fast, heavy blaster boat that active armor tanks. Much better for low sec stuff imo, but most people use cookie-cutter mega because they have no skills.
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Lieutenant Isis
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.18 19:10:00 -
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Its nice for low-sec as you get the active tank bonus, so you will have an easier time tanking the guns, esp. with only one rep. It gets the dmg bonus too, that can be good vs other BS whereas the mega get the tracking bonus: that will not help against slow targets.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.18 19:13:00 -
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It's an active tanking version of the blasterthron. Not much use besides small fights in low sec. I'd suggest a role change, but the mega is good at both sniping and blasters, so I'd have real trouble finding a spot for it. Maybe give it 8 lows and take away some PG.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.18 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 18/07/2008 19:13:40
Hyperion is great blaster boat for solo and small gang uses.
Especially for low sec gate/station camping.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.18 19:16:00 -
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The problem with the Hyperion is that the mega is too good. It should be a better sniper than the mega but due to the way your average fleet fit works and the much higher cost, it makes more sense to go for the mega.
That said, if you have very good skills and are building them yourself (or can get them for just above the mineral cost) then you might want to consider one, if you know anything about the efficiency of different ammo/tracking computer then you can really make it shine. But its the tier 3 cost (and iirc its the most expensive tier 3 BS) that makes the mega that much more popular.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
But its the tier 3 cost (and iirc its the most expensive tier 3 BS) that makes the mega that much more popular.
Exactly. As a small gang PvP boat, it can do more gun damage (albeit less drone damage) due to it's extra turret and it active tanks rather well. It probably makes a decent PvE boat as well since it can tank so well. But that extra turret's worth of gun damage and the tanking bonus isn't worth the lost drone power, the lost tracking bonus (which really helps against anything smaller than a BS), or the increase in price.
With it's slot layout, it's less effective at buffer tanking which is far more useful in big fleets. The lack of a tracking bonus really hampers it against smaller/faster targets and this is only made worse by the lesser drone capability.
In short, the Hyperion an okay battleship but the Megathron can do anything it can do at least as well, if not better, while costing a lot less. It overlaps the Rokh in much the same manner, but the Rokh can mount a better buffer tank and it can hit further out than the either Hyperion or the Mega so it's not made completely obsolete.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:45:00 -
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The Hyperion is prety good for sitting solo on a lowsec gate, and popping every hauler that comes bye. Which can be every 20 seconds, if you pick the right farmer infested system.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:46:00 -
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Bait.
Good tank and everyone wants in on a Hyperion killmail. All the suckers come a running. The pilot flyin gin Hyperion is an obvious fool and an easy kill because there is no good reason to fly one. Then you jump in and wipe the floor with them.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito
Bait.
Good tank and everyone wants in on a Hyperion killmail. All the suckers come a running. The pilot flyin gin Hyperion is an obvious fool and an easy kill because there is no good reason to fly one. Then you jump in and wipe the floor with them.
This. I actually used to fly with a guy who named his Hyperion 'Bait' and even with the name it worked suprisingly well.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.18 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Originally by: Ashina Sito
Bait.
Good tank and everyone wants in on a Hyperion killmail. All the suckers come a running. The pilot flyin gin Hyperion is an obvious fool and an easy kill because there is no good reason to fly one. Then you jump in and wipe the floor with them.
This. I actually used to fly with a guy who named his Hyperion 'Bait' and even with the name it worked suprisingly well.
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True Ace
Gallente
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.18 23:01:00 -
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give it a rof bonus and a damage bonus then drop its drone bay to 50 or even 25 and u got yourself a short range damage dealer. prob is it wnt follow the tier 3 bonuses of tank/other lol. unless u count dps as tank. with its slots whatever tank u do put on will be average at best so it should balance out.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.18 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: True Ace
give it a rof bonus and a damage bonus then drop its drone bay to 50 or even 25 and u got yourself a short range damage dealer. prob is it wnt follow the tier 3 bonuses of tank/other lol. unless u count dps as tank. with its slots whatever tank u do put on will be average at best so it should balance out.
It doesnt call for a change, many people use it over the mega.
What your asking is for it to be turned into a mega mach two.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.19 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 19/07/2008 02:16:59
Frankly, all the problems listed are nothing unique for hyperion and mega. Its the same with geddon and abaddon. Its not like abaddon has a new role compared to geddon either. Look at it as a pimped ride. If you got a little extra cash you buy that tier 3 BS and look little cooler. Big deal :-o
And yeah it is good for low sec combat. Especially fighting outnumbered, that is where tank is important and hype has shitloads of tank.
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Trollie
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Posted - 2008.07.19 02:37:00 -
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The Hype's problems almost all stem from the issues with self repping. Still, it's got some uses if you know you're up against low damage targets.
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.19 03:00:00 -
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I see no signifcant issues with the Hype that demand a change, particularly given some of the other ships that need tweaking.
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Bloody Mistake
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.19 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tai Paktu
I see no signifcant issues with the Hype that demand a change, particularly given some of the other ships that need tweaking.
So what is the reason to fly a Hyperion? Since a megathron, at half the price, does most if not all better?
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.19 04:49:00 -
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The same as all Tier 3 BS. Tank and gank (or range if you are Caldari).
If you want to active tank, you use a Hyperion. If you don't, you use a Megathron.
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adriaans
Amarr
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.19 11:55:00 -
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''I mean: It's rather ****in expensive, compared to other battleships ... and does not do anything in particular very good.''
hyperion outtanks any armor tanking (active) ships i believe, say you were to fit a vinidcator with officer stuff, the hyperion would get a MUCH better tank (around 4k dps tanked omni) and still do not too bad damage. So in my view the ship is meant to tank and deal damage as a secondary. I really like the ship (now only gotta get t2 L hybrids so i can use it's full potential) sure it's expensive...but so is evrry other tier 3 BS....
i don't think it should be changed, it does what it should do according to bonuses quite well, which is tanking THEN deal damage,
''Currently nobody with any sense seems to fly it all - in no situation what so ever.''
right.... watch garmonation 5 when it comes out...
it's the same deal with geddon vs abaddon, abaddon is tank prim, geddon is dps prim, i.e just fine there too.
if you think the mega is better why don't you fly the mega then...
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Furb Killer
Gallente
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.19 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: True Ace
give it a rof bonus and a damage bonus then drop its drone bay to 50 or even 25 and u got yourself a short range damage dealer. prob is it wnt follow the tier 3 bonuses of tank/other lol. unless u count dps as tank. with its slots whatever tank u do put on will be average at best so it should balance out.
Would be overpowered and nerfed.
Hyperion is for active tanking, megathron for passive. Sure now buffer tanking is more usefull in general than active tanking, but that doesnt make the hyperion useless.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.19 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: adriaans
''I mean: It's rather ****in expensive, compared to other battleships ... and does not do anything in particular very good.''
hyperion outtanks any armor tanking (active) ships i believe, say you were to fit a vinidcator with officer stuff, the hyperion would get a MUCH better tank (around 4k dps tanked omni) and still do not too bad damage. So in my view the ship is meant to tank and deal damage as a secondary. I really like the ship (now only gotta get t2 L hybrids so i can use it's full potential) sure it's expensive...but so is evrry other tier 3 BS....
i don't think it should be changed, it does what it should do according to bonuses quite well, which is tanking THEN deal damage,
''Currently nobody with any sense seems to fly it all - in no situation what so ever.''
right.... watch garmonation 5 when it comes out...
it's the same deal with geddon vs abaddon, abaddon is tank prim, geddon is dps prim, i.e just fine there too.
if you think the mega is better why don't you fly the mega then...
Its true that every t3 bs is expensive but the Hyperion is more so and I can't think of one good reason I would want it over a Rokh, the problem is; we wouldnt be having this discussion if the mega and the hyp's bonuses were reversed, the issue is really that the gallente t2 bs is better than the t3....
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Shafty
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2008.07.19 18:04:00 -
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Nowt wrong with it, leave it alone.
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50freefly
Caldari
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.07.19 18:47:00 -
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Hyp has the CPU to fit a much nicer active tank at a good price and the mids to fit two injectors. It is, therefore, my choice when I need to active tank (It also gets a better tank than the mega due to the rep bonus).
It is also awesome looking and not a bad ship. Depending on my lowslot config I can tank a gank mega and still do 750 or so dps with mediocre gunnery skills.
Also, it isn't the best sub cap armor tanking ship by any means. Abaddon wipes the floor with it (same bonus effectively and an extra lowslot).
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.19 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: 50freefly
Hyp has the CPU to fit a much nicer active tank at a good price and the mids to fit two injectors. It is, therefore, my choice when I need to active tank (It also gets a better tank than the mega due to the rep bonus).
It is also awesome looking and not a bad ship. Depending on my lowslot config I can tank a gank mega and still do 750 or so dps with mediocre gunnery skills.
Also, it isn't the best sub cap armor tanking ship by any means. Abaddon wipes the floor with it (same bonus effectively and an extra lowslot).
Aye, the upshot is the active tank it can field. The downside is just that active tanking is out of style atm, and so there aren't many situations where you'd want to fly a Hyp. Still, I don't think that necessarily means the ship needs changing necessarily. If and when active tanking becomes popular again, the Hyp will likely have a more significant role.
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El'Tar
Caldari
Monkey Madness.
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Posted - 2008.07.19 20:03:00 -
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Hypririon is good ship imo
good for batels cos it tank lot
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.19 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: El'Tar
Hypririon is good ship imo
good for batels cos it tank lot
this man is a Hyperion god, you should listen to him 
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Ong
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Posted - 2008.07.20 03:38:00 -
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Just about to get into this myself (along with the mega) as far as i can see the hype is for gate camping and long fleet engaments with multiple fights, both of which require active tanking.
The mega is for small fleet, hit and gun ganking, or as part of LARGE fleets where no tank is gunna save u if made primary, in which case u kill as much as u can before u go pop.
tbh its better then the maelstrom, as it gets much the same damage and tank, but can tackle also, but not quite as good as a Rokh & Abbadon.
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