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AltBier
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: AltBier on 29/07/2008 12:19:42
 Originally by: X3S
You got concord to protect you from outlaws where these miners and "Pirates" have no one.
Where does concord protect some pod pilots but not others?
In high-sec? Only if you have a self inflicted criminal record.
In low-sec? Unlikely.
0.0? LOL.
Originally by: X3S
I actually was referring to the non-pod piloted ships that concord pays you to kill. 
Oh, I see.
Surely "self inflicted criminal record" applies to them too.
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AltBier
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
But my point was that vacuums, in themselves, can't hold a temperature, and that even though yes, things inside a vacuum will eventually freeze, you seemed to imply in your first post that a person will be exposed to an absolute-zero environment the moment they're thrown out of an airlock. This isn't true - they will eventually end up at absolute zero, but that will happen fairly slowly.
I have only a little knowledge of such matters, but I do know that there are three types of heat movement: Radiating, transferring, transporting. So in a vacuum, the last two could not take place, but radiating would surely take place. Otherwise, how would the planets most distant from their sun have become so cold? So my thoughts are that the body, if it somehow stays in one piece, will freeze quite rapidly due to heat radiation.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.29 17:01:00 -
[63]
No, AltBier, you're thinking of "convection" and "conduction", and no, the human body will "not freeze quite rapidly due to heat radiation", because the body is an extremely inefficient radiator. If we radiated heat away fast enough to flash-freeze, this would be happening all the time, and the human body would be unable to maintain a stable internal temperature.
Anyway, my main point in all of this is that X3S is an outright, blatant liar in saying that she can possibly extract either intact, consumable meat or blood from a corpse jettisoned into space. The fact that she can't even be truthful about basic scientific facts shows that we can't trust her word on other things - such as, for instance, her ability to pose any threat to the average pilot.
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AltBier
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.30 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: AltBier on 30/07/2008 09:38:43
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
No, AltBier, you're thinking of "convection" and "conduction"
Ah yes, thank you for pointing out the correct technical terms.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
and no, the human body will "not freeze quite rapidly due to heat radiation", because the body is an extremely inefficient radiator. If we radiated heat away fast enough to flash-freeze, this would be happening all the time, and the human body would be unable to maintain a stable internal temperature.
Well I certainly agree that it will not flash freeze, it will certainly tear itself apart first (in some way) such that there is a huge amount of surface area which will then rapidly radiate its heat out into space.
If it somehow stayed in one piece (due to some unknown pod side-effect), how long would you estimate it to take then to freeze due to radiating?
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Anyway, my main point in all of this is that X3S is an outright, blatant liar in saying that she can possibly extract either intact, consumable meat or blood from a corpse jettisoned into space.
Agreed.
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Ravin Abai
Amarr
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.07.30 16:17:00 -
[65]
I believe the correct expression is... "facepalm?"
Please report to I3Q to be tortured and summarily executed, you ****ing moron.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.30 17:24:00 -
[66]
Originally by: AltBier
Well I certainly agree that it will not flash freeze, it will certainly tear itself apart first (in some way) such that there is a huge amount of surface area which will then rapidly radiate its heat out into space.
Another common misconception about sudden vacuum exposure is that the body's tissues are not resilient enough to withstand sudden loss of pressure. In reality, a pressure of 1 atmosphere is actually only about 14 psi (pound-force per square inch), with a vacuum being zero, and so a drop of one atmosphere, while in no way healthy, will not cause the human body to tear itself apart. Parts of the body will, as previously mentioned, bloat due to ebulism, but most bodily tissues are elastic enough that this will not cause serious issues.
(( OOC: This is also true - the human body can survive a drop of 1 atmosphere without B-movie-esque blood-sausage explosions. A drop of nine atmospheres, however... ))
Originally by: AltBier
If it somehow stayed in one piece (due to some unknown pod side-effect), how long would you estimate it to take then to freeze due to radiating?
Given, as established above, it staying in one piece is highly likely, I still have no idea how long exactly it would take for heat to radiate away. It would depend on their body shape, what they were wearing, if anything, and a large number of other factors. It would eventually happen but I couldn't really give you an estimate.
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Dance Commander
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X3S
Minmatar
Blood Raider Domination
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Posted - 2008.07.30 17:56:00 -
[67]
Ok, so the wise man says theres no meat or blood left on a space corpse. Next time you come a cross a corpse floating in space, take a good look.. And don't forget theres other live food available.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:11:00 -
[68]
Originally by: X3S
Ok, so the wise man says theres no meat or blood left on a space corpse. Next time you come a cross a corpse floating in space, take a good look.. And don't forget theres other live food available.
I'm sorry, you ball-tripping crazy woman, but what you're saying just doesn't match basic physics or biology. Look in a textbook.
And "live food" is not the same as "frozen space corpse". Stop moving the goalposts. Stupid *****.
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Dance Commander
Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting. |
3ll3
Gallente
Tranquillity Nation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 00:39:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I'm sorry, you ball-tripping crazy woman, but what you're saying just doesn't match basic physics or biology. Look in a textbook.
I hate to be the one to side with crazy Sage wanna-be but I have been noticing that a lot of what should be imposible via the Law of Physics are in ome way defied if that's so then maybe so to could Biology as well.
Though one thing confuses me if your body freezes up allbut instantly then the Flesh and organs would become ice since most of the body is liquid based.
Now if the body was defrosted it would if I am right which I highly doubt, would be some what toxic hence why some forms of meat have to be gutted and prepared even cooked before being frozen.
Any way that's my two Isk, sorry for putting my ore in.
Move along folks nothing to see here
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:50:00 -
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And I'd like to point out also that most space corpses are completely unrecogniseable when recovered. The damage done to them via vacuum exposure, ebulism, exposure to ionising radiation and the after-effects of whatever weapon was used to destroy the unfortunate ship they were originally on... yeah, no recoverable meat, no blood.
X3S is a truth-devoid liar.
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Dance Commander
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mebrithiel Ju''wien on 31/07/2008 06:49:44
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
no blood.
X3S is a truth-devoid liar.
Wrong on one still but right on the second. There's always blood.
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