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X3S Minmatar Blood Raider Domination	Posted - 2008.07.20 11:52:00 - [1] Edited by: X3S on 20/07/2008 11:56:26 So pod pilots of the verse. I've seen you hunting the belts, taking concords isk for these so called bounties. You got concord to protect you from outlaws where these miners and "Pirates" have no one. I'm going to stand up and say that I'm not going to sit by and watch. I'm going to use all my abilities to hunt you down and bring revenge for the fallen.
Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.20 12:15:00 - [2] I find your boast, at best, to be unreasonable. Many capsuleers lose ships to pirates every day across the cluster. In fact, I can, in a mining vessel with no weapons or other defences, warp to most asteroid belts in the cluster, and be accosted by these "defenceless" pirates. Also, I'm trying to recall the last time I saw CONCORD respond to a non-capsuleer criminal attacking anyone. CONCORD's mandate involving capsuleers is clear: Unless it involves a pod pilot shooting or attacking another, they ignore us. But, in case you actually plan on going through with this, I hear that the largest concentration of capsuleers attacking pirates lay within Caldari space, near Motsu, Saila and Aramachi. Good hunting!
X3S Minmatar Blood Raider Domination	Posted - 2008.07.20 12:56:00 - [3] It's nice to go hunt anti-pirates. If they out gun you, they'll chase you to the ends of the verse. When outlaws happen to have the upper hand, we can only follow them to the system next to high sec. And so what if concord does'nt respond to "pirate" attacks in high sec. These ships are of the lowest of power, too small to be picked up on concords scanners. I personally have seen a single light drone dispatch these so called attackers. I can't see deploying a concord battleship to deal with that, for the fuel to warp there would cost more then the single bullet it would need to fire.
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.21 03:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Vikarion on 21/07/2008 03:42:34 Lemmee seee...what corp do you belong to? Blood Raider Domination? Aren't those the folks that believe that the strong rule over the weak? Yes? Well, then those precious "fallen" you weep for were "the weak". My lasers danced across their hulls and I laughed as they died screaming soundlessly into the void. -------- Burn The Heretic, Kill The Mutant, Purge The Unbeliever Innocence Proves Nothing
X3S Minmatar Blood Raider Domination	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:33:00 - [5] Hunt as you will, but someone will be hunting you.
Zekarus Caldari MAIDS	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:50:00 - [6] Everybody's got to die sometime. Some sooner than others. -------- MAIDS. Now with black, frilly uniforms.
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.07.21 06:27:00 - [7] Pilot X3S, I must say that I do not understand your reasoning for this so-called "mission" of yours to punish those of us who prefer to destroy the outlaws of our civilization. Are you part of or affiliated with one of them? I must also ask how you intend to carry out this goal of yours without being swatted like a fly by the forces of Concord. While you could roam the vast expanses of nullsec space and actively seek those that kill the crews of outlaw starships, you must realize that vastly more of the "pirates" you speak of are destroyed in the highsec sectors of Empire space. Surely it would be more effective for you, and those you wish to aid, to stop these activities? Also, apologies, I just noticed that your corp appears to be affiliated in some way with the Blood Raiders. I hadnt noticed that earlier. God be with you all, Pilots.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.07.21 23:14:00 - [8] Let her rant. Too often pilots state goals they can't achieve, grandiloquent and over their edge. I hope you fail, not only for opposing law and order, but also for being a Blood Raider. I look forward to hearing you have been hunted down. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.21 23:30:00 - [9] Edited by: Hero Crane on 21/07/2008 23:30:36 Originally by: X3S Edited by: X3S on 20/07/2008 11:56:26 So pod pilots of the verse. I've seen you hunting the belts, taking concords isk for these so called bounties. You got concord to protect you from outlaws where these miners and "Pirates" have no one. I'm going to stand up and say that I'm not going to sit by and watch. I'm going to use all my abilities to hunt you down and bring revenge for the fallen. ~_^ .... what the hell is she going on about now? WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.21 23:31:00 - [10] Who knows? Who cares? - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Stitcher Who cares? I do. For now. Originally by: X3S Edited by: X3S on 20/07/2008 11:56:26 So pod pilots of the verse. I've seen you hunting the belts, taking concords isk for these so called bounties. You got concord to protect you from outlaws where these miners and "Pirates" have no one. I'm going to stand up and say that I'm not going to sit by and watch. I'm going to use all my abilities to hunt you down and bring revenge for the fallen. Revenge for the fallen... pirates? Really? Are you insane? Pirates have no protection? Wow, that's news, I was not aware they needed any. I guess next time I visit a belt in any system with a 0.8 security level and lower I will just sit still and let these pirates have their way then. Or not. you see, where I'm from, pirates are a curse on all lawful people. Their individual goals aside, if it's reviving a false utopian state, heed the words of their cult leaders, serve their crime bosses or whatever, they all seek to make what belongs to you theirs to further their cause. Personally I find the Serpentis to be the worst of them all. A faction that make the majority of their income on peddling their poisons and contraband into my nation and corrupting my society deserve no mercy at all. Anyone found dealing with or working for the Serpentis deserve to be punished, most ofthen with death. If you try to stand in my way, or protect them, I will kill you too. Actually, I almost wish you did try. I've no time to go lecture a naive fool like you on the reality of life, but if you intend to go on with this, others will take care of you for me. However, if you want a nice serving of plutonium-infused plasma all you need to do is come to the Old man Star. I'll be happy to serve you, really. Sig source
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Vikarion Lemmee seee...what corp do you belong to? Blood Raider Domination? Aren't those the folks that believe that the strong rule over the weak? Yes? Well, then those precious "fallen" you weep for were "the weak". My lasers danced across their hulls and I laughed as they died screaming soundlessly into the void. I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Vikarion after the Naqam thread but... yeah. To "X3S", pretty much exactly what he said. If these pirates, engaged in illegal activities, are too weak to defend themselves, then they deserve no sympathy. They took a risk at the expense of others and they got a rather costly comeuppance for it. And what are you planning to do, anyway? Wardec every antipirate corporation in the cluster? ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And what are you planning to do, anyway? Wardec every antipirate corporation in the cluster? We can only hope. I'd enjoy that, alot. Sig source
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Vikarion after the Naqam thread but... yeah. To "X3S", pretty much exactly what he said. If these pirates, engaged in illegal activities, are too weak to defend themselves, then they deserve no sympathy. They took a risk at the expense of others and they got a rather costly comeuppance for it. And what are you planning to do, anyway? Wardec every antipirate corporation in the cluster? Hey, I think that you're a self-righteous, arrogant, drug-addicted ignoramus, but that's no reason we can't agree on something. Oh, and I see a good amount of pod pilots blast some drivel like this onto the Galnet every fortnight. Then they vanish into the night, feeling that they have properly informed us as to how terrified we should be, while the rest of us laugh ourselves silly at them. -------- Innocence Proves Nothing Kill Them All!
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:03:00 - [15] Originally by: BloodBird Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And what are you planning to do, anyway? Wardec every antipirate corporation in the cluster? We can only hope. I'd enjoy that, alot. Yes, please. Me first. Well, technically I'm not an anti-pirate by any means, but me first anyway, ok? Please wear your most expensive set of implants for the occasion. -------- Innocence Proves Nothing Kill Them All!
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:21:00 - [16] <Veron Daerth falls off the chair laughing, A faint voice comes over the comms channel, often interrupted by laughter> Could you see that? Actually trying to wardec the entire cluster's population of anti-pirates? I can see it now, he warps to the station outside Dodixie, Motsu, or Aunia and simply opens fire on everyone. I wonder how long he lasts. <The laughing cuts off when the feed stops>
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:58:00 - [17] I just checked her security status. -6.3 She can't even make it into hi-security to hunt those she hates. -------- Innocence Proves Nothing Kill Them All!
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.22 05:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Vikarion I just checked her security status. -6.3 She can't even make it into hi-security to hunt those she hates. Exellent. Means I'll likely find her in low-sec, AND be free to open fire as I please. Damnation, I want to get these issues out of my way and return to space so badly, I can't belive this is taking so long. Sig source
X3S Minmatar Blood Raider Domination	Posted - 2008.07.22 06:33:00 - [19] Yeah, you'll find me in low sec, and you can fire on me without having to worry about sentry turrets. Then after your little vacation in low-sec is over, you can run back to high sec... where you'll be safe.
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.22 07:02:00 - [20] Originally by: X3S Yeah, you'll find me in low sec, and you can fire on me without having to worry about sentry turrets. Then after your little vacation in low-sec is over, you can run back to high sec... where you'll be safe. Naive child. I LIVE in low sec. I go to high sec only to trade or perform a task that requires that I go there. Assuming that I live in high sec just because I find the chance to harm you a positive thing, is the biggest mistake you can do. I used to love being in null sec you know, I was used to the laws of null sec when I came back to low sec (ergo, none) so the first thing I did, you know what that was? I found a pirate-wannabe in a low sec belt, fiering on another Federation citizen hunting the hated Serpentis in a cruiser. The pirate had guts though, he used a frigate. I obliterated him, and, due to habit, I locked down his capsule as well and destroyed that too. Big mistake, CONCORD slapped me down to -2.7 for that, I'm unwanted in Oursulaert as well as Luminaire and any other 1.0 and 0.9 system now. This will be fixed as soon as I'm back into active duty though. And when I do, should I see you, you better hope your vessel heavily out-classes mine, because I tend to engage regardless, for the sake of the battle itself. O, and if you ever assume I'm afraid of you again, or need the protection of high sec, I'll make it personal and actually dedicate time to go find you. That, pirate, will be enjoyable. For me. Sig source

Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.22 07:57:00 - [21] Originally by: X3S Yeah, you'll find me in low sec, and you can fire on me without having to worry about sentry turrets. Then after your little vacation in low-sec is over, you can run back to high sec... where you'll be safe. ... you have failed yourself as a supposed 'pirate', a capsuleer, and a woman.... plz...pod yourself XD WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!
Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.22 08:40:00 - [22] Don't know what's funnier, that she is just that crazy, or that everyone here is still paying attention.
Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.22 08:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Karanth Don't know what's funnier, that she is just that crazy, or that everyone here is still paying attention. i wouldn't call it paying attention, per se...its more of...taking shots out of new found hatred and pure, mind-numbing boredom... WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!
Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.22 09:54:00 - [24] I see. Never mind then, and carry on with the sniping.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:55:00 - [25] Ah! One of the earlier entries in the annals of Those Who Make Their Own Causes Hard to Support returns to Galnet. Welcome back, pilot. You've come a long way from Fimbulwinter, but I suppose your habits were always more in line with the Sani Sabik, anyway. I hope you haven't been dining on anyone I know. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.22 14:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Ah! One of the earlier entries in the annals of Those Who Make Their Own Causes Hard to Support returns to Galnet. Welcome back, pilot. You've come a long way from Fimbulwinter, but I suppose your habits were always more in line with the Sani Sabik, anyway. I hope you haven't been dining on anyone I know. TWMTOCHS? Sheesh, they could just join one big corp and be so much easier to keep track of. -------- Innocence Proves Nothing Kill Them All!
Kimochi Rendar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.22 15:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Vikarion TWMTOCHS? Sheesh, they could just join one big corp and be so much easier to keep track of. They do just fine bringing attention to their own failures. If you had them all together in one place they might actually become dangerous. Ghost Festival is now recruiting!
Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.22 17:54:00 - [28] Edited by: Hero Crane on 22/07/2008 17:53:44 Originally by: Kimochi Rendar Originally by: Vikarion TWMTOCHS? Sheesh, they could just join one big corp and be so much easier to keep track of. They do just fine bringing attention to their own failures. If you had them all together in one place they might actually become dangerous. dangerously annoying...maybe ...MAYBE WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.22 23:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Kimochi Rendar Originally by: Vikarion TWMTOCHS? Sheesh, they could just join one big corp and be so much easier to keep track of. They do just fine bringing attention to their own failures. If you had them all together in one place they might actually become dangerous. Not all that dangerous. I hear that it's impossible to laugh yourself to death, so we should be fine. -------- Innocence Proves Nothing Kill Them All!
Mordenkainan Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.23 21:13:00 - [30] Have fun X3S - been awhile - got away from the cannabilism thing yet or still seeing the doc?

X3S Minmatar Blood Raider Domination	Posted - 2008.07.23 23:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Mordenkainan Have fun X3S - been awhile - got away from the cannabilism thing yet or still seeing the doc? Actually, I ate my doc. looks like finding a cure will prove more difficult then I anticipated.
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.24 01:08:00 - [32] Originally by: X3S Actually, I ate my doc. looks like finding a cure will prove more difficult then I anticipated. Step out of your capsule, put a gun loaded with hollow-point ammo in it against your temple and pull the trigger. Should work just fine. Sig source
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.07.24 01:37:00 - [33] Originally by: BloodBird Originally by: X3S Actually, I ate my doc. looks like finding a cure will prove more difficult then I anticipated. Step out of your capsule, put a gun loaded with hollow-point ammo in it against your temple and pull the trigger. Should work just fine. While I tend to agree with BloodBird that New Eden might be better off without cannibalistic critters running around. I have to ask what happened to that "open-mindedness" the Gallente are always bragging about? And I've attended more than a few blood-lettings in Gallente space in my day, of course that was before the Federation Navy started shooting at me on sight...
Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.24 02:57:00 - [34] The Federation is all about freedom... until you trample someone elses. Then we put the ass-kicking boots on.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.24 03:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Karanth The Federation is all about freedom... until you trample someone elses. Then we put the ass-kicking boots on. This is... You know what? No. I could say all sorts of things here, list the various reasons the Caldari have to legitimately accuse the Federation of trampling all over our freedom, not only in ages past but in the modern day too... But I should probably restrain myself. Beating one's head against a wall can only result in brain damage. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Gottii Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.24 05:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Stitcher You know what? No. I could say all sorts of things here, list the various reasons the Caldari have to legitimately accuse the Federation of trampling all over our freedom, not only in ages past but in the modern day too... I'll bet you a lot of ISK Heth trambles more Caldari freedoms in the next ten years than the Federation has done in a century....
Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.24 07:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Gottii Originally by: Stitcher You know what? No. I could say all sorts of things here, list the various reasons the Caldari have to legitimately accuse the Federation of trampling all over our freedom, not only in ages past but in the modern day too... I'll bet you a lot of ISK Heth trambles more Caldari freedoms in the next ten years than the Federation has done in a century.... i love how all the statesman, who supposedly believe in that, "the needs of many, before the needs of one(or watever)" crap, are sooo happy to lay down everything....for the needs of one... how delicious WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.24 16:11:00 - [38] Originally by: Hero Crane i love how all the statesman, who supposedly believe in that, "the needs of many, before the needs of one(or watever)" crap, are sooo happy to lay down everything....for the needs of one... how delicious That's at least partly because it takes a certain self-centeredness to drive the ambition needed to make it to the top, in most cases. Every so often, you might get someone who's actually pretty selfless, but that's going to be the exception, rather than the rule, and usually means a zealot of some kind. Then again, because a great many leaders undoubtedly tell themselves that what they're doing is for the good of all even if it isn't, and because a great many leaders are quite clever when it comes to making it look like they're working for the common good even when they're not, it's likely that anyone who doesn't like a leader will assume that leader's motives to be selfish, and that any evidence to the contrary is just that leader being devious. Also, anyone who actually is selfless may come off looking ... well, crazed. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Hero Crane Bilge Rats of Tortuga	Posted - 2008.07.24 16:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Originally by: Hero Crane i love how all the statesman, who supposedly believe in that, "the needs of many, before the needs of one(or watever)" crap, are sooo happy to lay down everything....for the needs of one... how delicious That's at least partly because it takes a certain self-centeredness to drive the ambition needed to make it to the top, in most cases. Every so often, you might get someone who's actually pretty selfless, but that's going to be the exception, rather than the rule, and usually means a zealot of some kind. Then again, because a great many leaders undoubtedly tell themselves that what they're doing is for the good of all even if it isn't, and because a great many leaders are quite clever when it comes to making it look like they're working for the common good even when they're not, it's likely that anyone who doesn't like a leader will assume that leader's motives to be selfish, and that any evidence to the contrary is just that leader being devious. Also, anyone who actually is selfless may come off looking ... well, crazed. uhhhhh...so...hmmm... ok...wat you're saying is you HAVE to be ruthless and murderous and not give two shits about your own people to be a good ruler ~_^ WHO'S...YOUR...HERO!!!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.24 16:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Inara Subaka While I tend to agree with BloodBird that New Eden might be better off without cannibalistic critters running around. I have to ask what happened to that "open-mindedness" the Gallente are always bragging about? And I've attended more than a few blood-lettings in Gallente space in my day, of course that was before the Federation Navy started shooting at me on sight... I love how idiots always use "but aren't Gallente supposed to be open-minded?!" as an admonishment when the Federation shuts down something outrageous. "Aren't you guys supposed to allow free speech?!" squeals the Amarrian demagogue, as he's hauled off by the police for spouting vicious hatred against the Minmatar people on a street corner. "Aren't you supposed to allow freedom of choice?!" yells the Serpentis operative, after receiving a nightstick to the face for selling dope to teenagers. "Aren't we supposed to be able to do what we like in the Federation?!" yells the Blooder, as a tactical team ziplines through his skylight after reports that he and his sect have been engaging in cannibalism. The Federation is a place of widespread freedom, yes. But not total freedom. In any society limits must be placed on a person's behaviour, that people around him don't suffer for it. Liberal democracy is not anarchy, and the Federation's constitution is not a mandate to be an immense bastard. Besides, surveys show that 9 out of 10 Gallenteans prefer the taste of Mannar prize beef over human flesh. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.

Zekarus Caldari MAIDS	Posted - 2008.07.24 16:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Besides, surveys show that 9 out of 10 Gallenteans prefer the taste of Mannar prize beef over human flesh. Purely out of intellectual curiosity, pray tell. The remaining one out of ten... Do they prefer chicken? ----------------- MAIDS. Now with black, frilly uniforms.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:27:00 - [42] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Inara Subaka While I tend to agree with BloodBird that New Eden might be better off without cannibalistic critters running around. I have to ask what happened to that "open-mindedness" the Gallente are always bragging about? And I've attended more than a few blood-lettings in Gallente space in my day, of course that was before the Federation Navy started shooting at me on sight... I love how idiots always use "but aren't Gallente supposed to be open-minded?!" as an admonishment when the Federation shuts down something outrageous. "Aren't you guys supposed to allow free speech?!" squeals the Amarrian demagogue, as he's hauled off by the police for spouting vicious hatred against the Minmatar people on a street corner. "Aren't you supposed to allow freedom of choice?!" yells the Serpentis operative, after receiving a nightstick to the face for selling dope to teenagers. "Aren't we supposed to be able to do what we like in the Federation?!" yells the Blooder, as a tactical team ziplines through his skylight after reports that he and his sect have been engaging in cannibalism. The Federation is a place of widespread freedom, yes. But not total freedom. In any society limits must be placed on a person's behaviour, that people around him don't suffer for it. Liberal democracy is not anarchy, and the Federation's constitution is not a mandate to be an immense bastard. Besides, surveys show that 9 out of 10 Gallenteans prefer the taste of Mannar prize beef over human flesh. grinning My question was meant to be facetious, I'm sorry if the sarcasm got by you. I know the Federation limit's people's freedoms, they shoot at me on sight, and I consider that quite limiting of my freedoms. And you are correct, there should be limits... but who decides those limits, and what those limits are, is something we will disagree on. And I would have to agree, Mannar beef is better than human flesh. However, I am considering opening a restaurant in which the main courses are made of the vacuum frozen corpses... I wonder how much traffic I would get for that?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.24 17:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Zekarus Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Besides, surveys show that 9 out of 10 Gallenteans prefer the taste of Mannar prize beef over human flesh. Purely out of intellectual curiosity, pray tell. The remaining one out of ten... Do they prefer chicken? I was hoping the satirical undertones in that statement would have been self-evident. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.24 18:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Inara Subaka And I would have to agree, Mannar beef is better than human flesh. However, I am considering opening a restaurant in which the main courses are made of the vacuum frozen corpses... I wonder how much traffic I would get for that? Aside from a single squad of police officers coming to haul you away and close your business down... none, I reckon. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.07.24 20:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Hero Crane ok...wat you're saying is you HAVE to be ruthless and murderous and not give two shits about your own people to be a good ruler ~_^ Very close. What I was saying is that most people who become high-level leaders at all are so because they've been thinking of themselves before others in pursuit of their ambitions, and that, since it can be very difficult to tell whether this is the case or not in an individual instance, people will tend to assume that it is. The ruthlessness and murderousness are, I would argue, unrelated. It's possible to be ruthless and murderous for the sake of others, after all. If you accept Amarrian culture at face value, this is what the Reclaiming is all about. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Arnulf Ogunkoya Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.07.24 21:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Inara Subaka grinning My question was meant to be facetious, I'm sorry if the sarcasm got by you. I know the Federation limit's people's freedoms, they shoot at me on sight, and I consider that quite limiting of my freedoms. And you are correct, there should be limits... but who decides those limits, and what those limits are, is something we will disagree on. And I would have to agree, Mannar beef is better than human flesh. However, I am considering opening a restaurant in which the main courses are made of the vacuum frozen corpses... I wonder how much traffic I would get for that? Sorry dear. I think someone's got there ahead of you. From what I gather there's a membership only joint in the Fed that offers just that. I am told that for a suitably insane fee they will even feed you one of your own corpses, cooked to your specification of course. Not my thing at all. File under how dumb can people get? Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.24 22:25:00 - [47] Edited by: BloodBird on 24/07/2008 22:26:54 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Inara Subaka While I tend to agree with BloodBird that New Eden might be better off without cannibalistic critters running around. I have to ask what happened to that "open-mindedness" the Gallente are always bragging about? And I've attended more than a few blood-lettings in Gallente space in my day, of course that was before the Federation Navy started shooting at me on sight... I love how idiots always use "but aren't Gallente supposed to be open-minded?!" as an admonishment when the Federation shuts down something outrageous. "Aren't you guys supposed to allow free speech?!" squeals the Amarrian demagogue, as he's hauled off by the police for spouting vicious hatred against the Minmatar people on a street corner. "Aren't you supposed to allow freedom of choice?!" yells the Serpentis operative, after receiving a nightstick to the face for selling dope to teenagers. "Aren't we supposed to be able to do what we like in the Federation?!" yells the Blooder, as a tactical team ziplines through his skylight after reports that he and his sect have been engaging in cannibalism. The Federation is a place of widespread freedom, yes. But not total freedom. In any society limits must be placed on a person's behaviour, that people around him don't suffer for it. Liberal democracy is not anarchy, and the Federation's constitution is not a mandate to be an immense bastard. Besides, surveys show that 9 out of 10 Gallenteans prefer the taste of Mannar prize beef over human flesh. I was about to reply to Miss. Subaka with something along these lines, but Ixiris here did it for me. I will add however, that while I do support a person's freedom in nearly all regards, there are limits to what I will allow. The case of the piratical s****declaring publicly how she engages in cannibalism, is one of those situation I'll just say to hell with it, and hope said pirate dies horribly as soon as possible for the sake of everyone else. [Edit: Apparently the word s.c.u.m is now a bad-word. wtf?] Sig source
X3S Minmatar Blood Raider Domination	Posted - 2008.07.24 23:50:00 - [48] Originally by: BloodBird The case of the piratical s****declaring publicly how she engages in cannibalism, is one of those situation I'll just say to hell with it, and hope said pirate dies horribly as soon as possible for the sake of everyone else.
Mordenkainan Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.25 00:20:00 - [49] Nope, just stay away from my barbeque! In all seriousness - I think some of these people will benfit from your attention X3S, so have fun. Time the galaxy was culled.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.07.25 02:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya Sorry dear. I think someone's got there ahead of you. From what I gather there's a membership only joint in the Fed that offers just that. I am told that for a suitably insane fee they will even feed you one of your own corpses, cooked to your specification of course. Not my thing at all. File under how dumb can people get? Personally, I'm not a huge fan of cannibalism, but if I could have made a profit off of other people's depravity... But if someone has already cornered that market I guess I'll have to find a different gimic. grumbles about being behind on the markets Originally by: BloodBird I will add however, that while I do support a person's freedom in nearly all regards, there are limits to what I will allow. The case of the piratical s****declaring publicly how she engages in cannibalism, is one of those situation I'll just say to hell with it, and hope said pirate dies horribly as soon as possible for the sake of everyone else. Again, this falls under the same catagory that wannabe "lady for hire" did... some things are meant to be kept discreet.

Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.25 02:26:00 - [51] Originally by: X3S Would a frozen corpse be better off floating in space? I think not. First of all every corpse I scoop, I take very good care of. First, I unfreeze the corpse throughly and then proceed to remove the hair. After this I say a small prayer and take my trusty blood removal device and drain that corpse dry. The cooking process is complicated (the recipe is secret) but in general what I don't eat, I feed to the homeless. So am I so bad? cleaning space of corpses, feeding the homeless, and taking wasted blood and returning it to the cycle of life. No. No you don't do any of that. That's a blatant lie. You obviously have as lax a grip on physics and biology as you do on reality. In no uncertain terms: The reason that you freeze rapidly in space is not because space is cold. Convection and conduction do not occur in a vacuum, only radiation. The reason people instafreeze upon exposure to space is actually because the presence of a vacuum (or rather, more accurately, the absence of pressure) causes fluids to boil. Obviously, the energy to initiate a state transition between liquid and gas has to come from somewhere, so it's drawn off from the surrounding tissues. The respective vapour pressures of blood and water are similar enough that exposure to vacuum will cause them both to boil. This causes a condition called ebullism which is essentially gas bubbles forming in the blood because it's boiling. The rapid boiling-off of fluids robs the surrounding tissues of heat, and can, yes, actually cause frost in the mouth (this is presumably why they're called "frozen" corpses by ship computers). Now, given that a significant concentration of blood has in fact boiled off, what's left unboiled (if there is any at all) will probably not resemble blood so much as a hemoglobin-rich soup of ruptured cells, and the body itself, when "thawed", will be little more than a dessicated husk because almost all of its fluids have boiled away. Allow me to assure you that on the average frozen corpse, there'll be little to no meat that you could actually cut off, and absolutely none that would be fit for human consumption. And there would be no blood. (( OOC: Yes, before any of you ask, I've done the research. I'm not making this up. Space is not cold and vacuums do cause fluids to boil at lower temperatures. CCP got their science a little wrong - although to be honest, given the type of ordinance that's usually involved in pod destruction, corpses would, realistically, be left as a thin smear of subatomic particles )) ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Leon 026 Caldari Vorace.	Posted - 2008.07.25 10:03:00 - [52] Heh, another Covenant reject. Recruiting
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris not resemble blood so much as a hemoglobin-rich soup of ruptured cells, and the body itself, when "thawed", will be little more than a dessicated husk because almost all of its fluids have boiled away. [...] And there would be no blood. Mmm Soup. While you're mostly correct Andreus dear, the gasses that boil off first are usually the gasses already in the blood, such as oxygen, carbon dioxide, but more importantly nitrogen. While they do attempt to escape the body, there's very little surface area for them to do so and as such is a relatively slow process due to the constant freezing that almost -273*C space can due to the corpse on exposure to space... which is suprisingly cold. In effect, what happens is less of a soup and more of a mess, but still a frozen one, by the end. So you're mostly right hun, but forgetting that space is cold and that such harsh exposure can actually counteract the rapid boiling and rupturing of complex cell organisms is probably due to the fact that I still remember my basic science at school, whereas you're a good bit older and had far more important things to remember. Oh and Andreus hun, ignore that nasty Mebrithiel woman. She's just bitter at losing mummy and doesn't have dolls to play with like me. And on a final point... eating defrosted corpses sounds gross! Personal Library
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien While they do attempt to escape the body, there's very little surface area for them to do so and as such is a relatively slow process due to the constant freezing that almost -273C space can due to the corpse on exposure to space... which is suprisingly cold. In effect, what happens is less of a soup and more of a mess, but still a frozen one, by the end. So you're mostly right hun, but forgetting that space is cold and that such harsh exposure can actually counteract the rapid boiling and rupturing of complex cell organisms is probably due to the fact that I still remember my basic science at school, whereas you're a good bit older and had far more important things to remember. Wait, weren't we arguing about... oh, nevermind. Yes, but we've already established that space isn't* cold. Vacuums don't (and pretty much by definition can't) have temperature. There's no way for surface heat to propogate in a vacuum, as conduction or convection require a medium, and a vacuum is, by definition, the absence of a medium. Heat, then, can only be lost via radiation - which, given that the human body is a very, very inefficient radiator, is a very slow process. Yes, objects in space ARE as a rule very cold, and touching them will also make YOU very cold (via heat conduction), but you actually need to be in physical contact with them for this to happen. Think about vacuum drinks flasks - they use a vacuum to prevent heat loss, simply because there's no way for heat to propogate across it. Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Oh and Andreus hun, ignore that nasty Mebrithiel woman. She's just bitter at losing mummy and doesn't have dolls to play with like me. Wh-... oh. Well. Um. Whatever. Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien And on a final point... eating defrosted corpses sounds gross! One of the few things I think we can unconditionally agree on. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.26 05:03:00 - [55] Edited by: Mebrithiel Ju''wien on 26/07/2008 05:04:49 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Yes, but we've already established that space isn't cold. Vacuums don't (and pretty much by definition can't) have temperature. Ridiculous. You're saying that a thermos flask vacuum doesn't have a temperature? Or that it's a perfect vacuum, which, I might add, space isn't. Not seen many Frentix clouds lately, have we... Originally by: Andreus Ixiris There's no way for surface heat to propogate in a vacuum, as conduction or convection require a medium, and a vacuum is, by definition, the absence of a medium. Heat, then, can only be lost via radiation - which, given that the human body is a very, very inefficient radiator, is a very slow process. Yes, objects in space ARE as a rule very cold, and touching them will also make YOU very cold (via heat conduction), but you actually need to be in physical contact with them for this to happen. Think about vacuum drinks flasks - they use a vacuum to prevent heat loss, simply because there's no way for heat to propogate across it. Vacuum flasks, as pointed earlier (and we did this in an experiment by timing how long a fluid takes to cool down in Physics back on Leurtmar), aren't perfect vacuums and the fluid inside (even the really good ones that keep things frozen for really long journeys in my mammoth) eventually gets warm or cold depending on original temperature. Even space, with its massive spaces between the odd molecule, is still not a perfect vacuum. Convection and conduction do occur and is why things become stupidly cold. Besides which, this doesn't even include the fact that gasses and other junk in an exploding ship will assist the diss... dissap... dissipation of heat or energy. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris One of the few things I think we can unconditionally agree on. I'm sure there's a lot more. Like Heth being a smelly, bad leader. The possibilities are endless... ♥ Personal Library
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.26 15:42:00 - [56] Space isn't a perfect vacuum, or that vacuum flasks maintain perfect temperature equilibrium, no. But my point was that vacuums, in themselves, can't hold a temperature, and that even though yes, things inside a vacuum will eventually freeze, you seemed to imply in your first post that a person will be exposed to an absolute-zero environment the moment they're thrown out of an airlock. This isn't true - they will eventually end up at absolute zero, but that will happen fairly slowly. I reiterate - space isn't, in itself, cold. Bodies freeze not due to a temperature gradient but due to the effects of vacuum on the boiling points of liquids. And yeah, moving smoothly between two subjects, I hope someone throws Heth out of an airlock. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.26 17:06:00 - [57] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I hope someone throws Heth out of an airlock. Oh, we don't go in for that sort of thing, usually. Generally, if the State really needs to be rid of somebody, they're invited to a friendly discussion over a nice cup of tea. Far more civilized. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
3ll3 Gallente Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.07.26 19:44:00 - [58] Edited by: 3ll3 on 26/07/2008 19:45:07 Miss X3S, You class people hitting and running as cowadly all becouse they can enter High Sec' and those you seek to protect can not? There I snothing wrong with gurilla Tactics against superior forces or forces that use Ganking and flanking manouvers, there are no set rules to combat only kill or be killed. In battle there is no honour there is no code of gentlemanly conduct only the cold harsh reality of reality. Low sec and zero sec are known by all who have any inkling of expriance in piloting as being any thing goes, you hit 0.4 to 0.0 and you had best be in a ship you can afford to lose and be up to date with insurance and clones, becouse even the best of us will fall eventualy. Every Pirate and near do weller knows that when they undock the are taking the risk of being popped and podded any one who does not should just stay in High Sec'. That aside the brave but foolish will stay in Low/Zero Sec' to be Yanked, Ganked and Spanked. Espechily when there is a nice safe High Sec' they can escape to, sorry but it's just copmmon sense to get out when you find you have bitten of more than you can chew. One more thing before I stop my Idotic and foolish Babblings, you claim to be the their white/Dark Knight to stand up for them but I think they are more than tough and strong enough to fight for themselves they don'ty need to be insualted by some trying to hold their hands for them. Signed, 3ll3
X3S Minmatar Blood Raider Domination	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:04:00 - [59] I actually was referring to the non-pod piloted ships that concord pays you to kill.
3ll3 Gallente Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:14:00 - [60] Oh I se now you mean those Rat's that scurry between asteroid belts, I canunder stand now you wish to protect the weak from the strong. The weak being the none pod Pirates and Strong being us. Well fair enough then though I'll still be attacking them when they attack me, after all self defence and all that Wiggles

AltBier Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:08:00 - [61] Edited by: AltBier on 29/07/2008 12:19:42 Originally by: X3S You got concord to protect you from outlaws where these miners and "Pirates" have no one. Where does concord protect some pod pilots but not others? In high-sec? Only if you have a self inflicted criminal record. In low-sec? Unlikely. 0.0? LOL. Originally by: X3S I actually was referring to the non-pod piloted ships that concord pays you to kill. Oh, I see. Surely "self inflicted criminal record" applies to them too.
AltBier Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.07.29 12:25:00 - [62] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris But my point was that vacuums, in themselves, can't hold a temperature, and that even though yes, things inside a vacuum will eventually freeze, you seemed to imply in your first post that a person will be exposed to an absolute-zero environment the moment they're thrown out of an airlock. This isn't true - they will eventually end up at absolute zero, but that will happen fairly slowly. I have only a little knowledge of such matters, but I do know that there are three types of heat movement: Radiating, transferring, transporting. So in a vacuum, the last two could not take place, but radiating would surely take place. Otherwise, how would the planets most distant from their sun have become so cold? So my thoughts are that the body, if it somehow stays in one piece, will freeze quite rapidly due to heat radiation.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.29 17:01:00 - [63] No, AltBier, you're thinking of "convection" and "conduction", and no, the human body will "not freeze quite rapidly due to heat radiation", because the body is an extremely inefficient radiator. If we radiated heat away fast enough to flash-freeze, this would be happening all the time, and the human body would be unable to maintain a stable internal temperature. Anyway, my main point in all of this is that X3S is an outright, blatant liar in saying that she can possibly extract either intact, consumable meat or blood from a corpse jettisoned into space. The fact that she can't even be truthful about basic scientific facts shows that we can't trust her word on other things - such as, for instance, her ability to pose any threat to the average pilot. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
AltBier Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.07.30 09:35:00 - [64] Edited by: AltBier on 30/07/2008 09:38:43 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris No, AltBier, you're thinking of "convection" and "conduction" Ah yes, thank you for pointing out the correct technical terms. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris and no, the human body will "not freeze quite rapidly due to heat radiation", because the body is an extremely inefficient radiator. If we radiated heat away fast enough to flash-freeze, this would be happening all the time, and the human body would be unable to maintain a stable internal temperature. Well I certainly agree that it will not flash freeze, it will certainly tear itself apart first (in some way) such that there is a huge amount of surface area which will then rapidly radiate its heat out into space. If it somehow stayed in one piece (due to some unknown pod side-effect), how long would you estimate it to take then to freeze due to radiating? Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Anyway, my main point in all of this is that X3S is an outright, blatant liar in saying that she can possibly extract either intact, consumable meat or blood from a corpse jettisoned into space. Agreed.
Ravin Abai Amarr Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.07.30 16:17:00 - [65] I believe the correct expression is... "facepalm?" Please report to I3Q to be tortured and summarily executed, you ****ing moron.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.30 17:24:00 - [66] Originally by: AltBier Well I certainly agree that it will not flash freeze, it will certainly tear itself apart first (in some way) such that there is a huge amount of surface area which will then rapidly radiate its heat out into space. Another common misconception about sudden vacuum exposure is that the body's tissues are not resilient enough to withstand sudden loss of pressure. In reality, a pressure of 1 atmosphere is actually only about 14 psi (pound-force per square inch), with a vacuum being zero, and so a drop of one atmosphere, while in no way healthy, will not cause the human body to tear itself apart. Parts of the body will, as previously mentioned, bloat due to ebulism, but most bodily tissues are elastic enough that this will not cause serious issues. (( OOC: This is also true - the human body can survive a drop of 1 atmosphere without B-movie-esque blood-sausage explosions. A drop of nine atmospheres, however... )) Originally by: AltBier If it somehow stayed in one piece (due to some unknown pod side-effect), how long would you estimate it to take then to freeze due to radiating? Given, as established above, it staying in one piece is highly likely, I still have no idea how long exactly it would take for heat to radiate away. It would depend on their body shape, what they were wearing, if anything, and a large number of other factors. It would eventually happen but I couldn't really give you an estimate. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
X3S Minmatar Blood Raider Domination	Posted - 2008.07.30 17:56:00 - [67] Ok, so the wise man says theres no meat or blood left on a space corpse. Next time you come a cross a corpse floating in space, take a good look.. And don't forget theres other live food available.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.30 19:11:00 - [68] Originally by: X3S Ok, so the wise man says theres no meat or blood left on a space corpse. Next time you come a cross a corpse floating in space, take a good look.. And don't forget theres other live food available. I'm sorry, you ball-tripping crazy woman, but what you're saying just doesn't match basic physics or biology. Look in a textbook. And "live food" is not the same as "frozen space corpse". Stop moving the goalposts. Stupid *****. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
3ll3 Gallente Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.07.31 00:39:00 - [69] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I'm sorry, you ball-tripping crazy woman, but what you're saying just doesn't match basic physics or biology. Look in a textbook. I hate to be the one to side with crazy Sage wanna-be but I have been noticing that a lot of what should be imposible via the Law of Physics are in ome way defied if that's so then maybe so to could Biology as well. Though one thing confuses me if your body freezes up allbut instantly then the Flesh and organs would become ice since most of the body is liquid based. Now if the body was defrosted it would if I am right which I highly doubt, would be some what toxic hence why some forms of meat have to be gutted and prepared even cooked before being frozen. Any way that's my two Isk, sorry for putting my ore in. Move along folks nothing to see here
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.07.31 05:50:00 - [70] And I'd like to point out also that most space corpses are completely unrecogniseable when recovered. The damage done to them via vacuum exposure, ebulism, exposure to ionising radiation and the after-effects of whatever weapon was used to destroy the unfortunate ship they were originally on... yeah, no recoverable meat, no blood. X3S is a truth-devoid liar. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.

Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.07.31 06:49:00 - [71] Edited by: Mebrithiel Ju''wien on 31/07/2008 06:49:44 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris no blood. X3S is a truth-devoid liar. Wrong on one still but right on the second. There's always blood. Personal Library


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