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BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:18:00 - [1] Before some1 whines plz read the WHOLE post :P Caldari have no uber drone boats. This makes sense as minmatar have no uber laser boat (lol) This fact is fine and dandy..untill ccp skrewed it up by bringing in carriers. To train for carriers one must train fighters, heavies/meds etc and max out their drone sp... This is fine for every1 as the drone sp aids in other ships that can use drones well ie arb/phoon/domi..to an extent the raven and scorp benefit aswell as they can use meds+lights etc. Then we get to heavies: not one caldari sub-capital ship can field 5 (or even 4) heavy drones. This is rather lame as we must spend many sp's on drones and train t2 heavies etc for our carriers, therfore losing out on the sp for heavies benefiting less from all that sp in drones. Sure we can use them in a dread or carrier but so can all the other races..we just lose out elsewhere..If someone says "just cross-train >blah<" then stfu, its not like gallente have to cross-train to get maximum use from their skillpoints. /whine now a solution: plz extend the drone bay of the scorpion to 100m (or maybe ferox? dunno, all other cal ships cld be too overpowered) scorp gets primaried anyway so its not like it will make a huge difference to ops etc, else plz bring out a new class of ships for the races that focus on that races "non-speciality" (for want of a better word) ie drone boat for cal, missile boat for gallente etc thoughts? poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Valandril U don't need t2 heavies to fly carrier, especialy in age of capfights where u will mostly use carrir to kill other caps. Tbh i use my heavy drones mostly for lol duels, for rest its either fighters or small/meds. but im gueesing u still trained for heavy t2 drones? plus i forgot to mention that with a drone bay to fit heavies u can also fit sentries, do u use those or no? i know i wld poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 04:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Unworldly1 Bah! BiggestT, you and your unreasonable demands! Next you'll be asking for caldari to be able to solo effectively too! Seriously though, the man has a point. Caldari could probly use a little drone love... (ew) the man-love will be high on the agenda tonight :D poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 06:19:00 - [4] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Boz Well I'd rather the fix Pilgrim and large pojectiles first, but... I like the idea of giving the scorp some bandwidth, haha. You rarely see the poor scorp, except for the occasional suicidal fleet pilot. And it's hard to imagine it being imbalanced by a little extra drone space. I love the scorpion and it seems like it's ever so close to greatness. But it's at that special kind of close to greatness where you're close enough to see what it might be like to actually have a versitile Caldari ship only to have your head handed to you all of the time. Still, of all the Caldari ships the Scorp makes the most sense - it has the EHP to actually fight and it has the mids to tank AND tackle, and the addition of decent EWAR skills (2x multispecs in my case) mean that really all it lacks right now is firepower - something another couple of ogres or what have you could solve. Still, I'd probably load 1 flight of warriors and and 2 flights of hammerheads so I could actually have spares. Yes excactly, ferox may be a possible choice but a 125m drone bay seems kind of ridicoulous next to the supposedly superior drake with only 25mm. I love my scorp and get on many a km with the ecm/nueting love combo that is so great for low sec. But the fact that it has no dps means that im always wanting to fly something else, especially considering i get primaried all the time... poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 07:14:00 - [5] The lack of trolling and NO UR WRONG EMORAGE posts is encouraging, but unfortunately this post wont survive as a result :( poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 07:39:00 - [6] I posted this topic in the assembly hall. If you agree with this post plz go there and support :D poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 12:14:00 - [7] Edited by: BiggestT on 21/07/2008 12:20:21 Originally by: Gabriel Virtus No droneboat for caldari? Considering that Caldari in general is not a drone race and is much better than any other race at many things, quit complaining and cross train Gallente or Amarr. There is a reason why there are 4 different races and not just one race. They are ALL DIFFERENT AND SHOULD BE. Caldari ships hold their own in almost any field and outshine other races in some fields. Caldari is a shield tanking race of missile shooters that does not use drones. They generally shoot far away from the fight. This is what Caldari is and they do it very well. There is no reason why any Caldari ship SHOULD be able to use 5 heavies. Did you know that not one Gallente ship can use more than 2 missile turrets?!@#!?#!?@! OMG! If you want to use drones, you picked the wrong race. Races should be different and use different styles for combat. Caldari loses no where, they do enough dps they do not need any drones. I am tired of people complaining that their race doesn't have this or doesn't have that, the races ARE DIFFERENT. Game would be boring if every race was the exact same as every other one. If anything is ridiculous about droneboats is the drone race's drone boats can not even use 4 heavies and barely fit 3 heavies for anything smaller than a battleship. Sign the damn petition to boost drone bandwidth on the Myrmidon and EOS to 9mb/s flame on. -Gabriel read the whole damn thing b4 posting ITS AT THE START DAMN it addressed all that stuff. plz edit that mssg by DELETING ALL YOUR TEXT edit: typo poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 12:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Artemis Rose In term of flying a carrier, the drone skills are very low percentage of your total skillpoints. . I dont care what precentage of skillpoints it takes up, most if not all carrier pilots trian heavy/sentry drones if i cant use them on one damn caldari sub-cap ship then thats sp that i cant utilise. Its like if gallente had to trian for missiles for their dread wld that be stupid? uh yes poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 12:31:00 - [9] Originally by: fivetide humidyear i've often wondered if a larger drone bay and bandwidth (but with no damage bonus) on the scorpion would help separate it from the falcon as an option in a gang, not like it does high damage now and would hardly be a nos/neut dominix. however i guess it's one of those small changes in races that makes eve what it is, no missile ships for gallente, no drones for caldari, sub optimal large guns for matari, etc. and this wld be fine if there was no drone boats for caldari, but their is. its called a chimera..and a wyvern.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 12:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Jallem Sims Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Artemis Rose In term of flying a carrier, the drone skills are very low percentage of your total skillpoints. . I dont care what precentage of skillpoints it takes up, most if not all carrier pilots trian heavy/sentry drones if i cant use them on one damn caldari sub-cap ship then thats sp that i cant utilise. Its like if gallente had to trian for missiles for their dread wld that be stupid? uh yes the point is YOU DON'T HAVE TO! Just because everyone else can dosn't mean you have too. Infact you can use med drones, lots of them if you want. Its a option. Just like having a missile point on gal ships, dosen't mean I must train up to use it. well i dont know a single carrier pilot that cant use heavy drones or sentries, do u? poudly annoying fc's since 2007

BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 12:48:00 - [11] Originally by: fivetide humidyear same applies to the matari really, only 1 drone boat before capitals. carriers are specialist ships. It's only heavy drones 5 you need, and if you are training carriers it's a long haul regardless so a 20 odd days to get the weapons system sorted isn't much of an add on to the training for the jumpskills, BS 5 etc etc. yes but all the other races benefit more from all that sp in drones, generally having larger drone bays making drones a more useful tool for the non-caldari player. All im asking is for one damn cal-sub-cap-ship to use 5 heavies (with no replacement drones in bay) is that soo evil?? poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 13:06:00 - [12] Originally by: fivetide humidyear no missile ships for gallente, no drones for caldari, half right bold part is hmm wrong: eris: Interdictors Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile thermal damage and 10% bonus to Interdiction Sphere Launcher rate of fire per level poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 13:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Jallem Sims so your saying... cause everyone else uses them, why can't you? Even though you can still use fighters without this skill. look at it this way, i train many skills such as interfacing/durability etc for fighters it wld be rahter silly of me to ignore the other types of drone with such good support skills for them but sadly its gimped as i cant use heavies/sentries on any sub-cap cal ship poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 13:52:00 - [14] Originally by: fivetide humidyear Originally by: BiggestT look at it this way, i train many skills such as interfacing/durability etc for fighters it wld be rahter silly of me to ignore the other types of drone with such good support skills for them but sadly its gimped as i cant use heavies/sentries on any sub-cap cal ship i stand to be corrected but drone durability etc don't count for fighters, only drones. you could always use 2 heavy drones on your raven, and 1 on your drake and i cld fit a mining laser or two on it also lol but to make up for their slowness and the fact that 5 t2 smalls will out dps 1 and 5 hammerhead t2's will outdps the max for cal (3) we shld have at least one ship that makes them viable by being able to field at least 4. ps i really didnt know that about durability lol..meh poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.21 14:14:00 - [15] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon Originally by: Malcanis The lack of caldari versatility you describe is exactly what this thread is addressing. There are NO caldari "DPS" ships. So what is the Raven again? Raven is fairly good, to be sure. But the bonuses are really configured for range just like all the other Caldari ships. And it's certainly not soloable. [Raven, Torps] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Target Painter II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Large EMP Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Large EMP Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 1.2k DPS, 90k EHP, MWD, Point, painter. Looks solo-able (as much as a battleship gets) to me. passive tank drake for a lolmail and its generally a bad idea to mix drone types due to diff speeds etc. poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.22 07:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Dr Stark Originally by: Vorga Gar Give the Scorpion 125m3 bay and same bandwidth? The scorpion with that kind of drone bay would be like you can not shoot me but let the sentry drone rig you a new one it bethe best teir 1 battleship and would be overpower by 10 fold U realise that i cld simply put some ecm mods on a raven and itd do more dps than the scorp ez. I dont want a gank boat i simply want to utilise all the drone skills that wld be put into carriers, as sure i dont need to train heavies or sentries, but id be rather silly not to as i have many support skill for dornes once i train fighters not just to barely use them, but to use them well. Having one cal ship that cld use at least four heavies or sentries wld allow me to utilise that drone sp rather than only being applicable to carriers. Imagine if gallente had the moros changed to a missile boat? theyd whine incredibly and want it changed or want some sub-cap misisle boats for skill-tree efficiency poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.22 07:41:00 - [17] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert For starters, if you're flying a Chimera, you've already made one mistake. It's the least useful carrier in my opinion. Thanatos, Archon and even the Nidhoggur are more useful. No the minmatar carrier is best for fleets due to spider tanking bonus's the archon is 2nd due to armour tanking bonus, which is the more common spider tank the chimera is 3rd as it gets a tanking bonus also, but for shield the thanatos is worst as it gets no tanking bonus, and a dps bonus is less usefull in a huge fleet where dps isnt realy an issue due to large numbers Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert So no. This idea is bad. Caldari BS are fine and giving any of them a 125 drone bay/bandwidth would make it the most used ship in pvp overnight. oh im sorry will ur domi or thron get booted of the top spot for that? poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.22 07:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Malcanis "Pick your targets. It's a solo ship" Exactly what targets would you pick in your platescorp? noob lo-sec ratters in drakes are in serious danger from you, but they're in serious danger from almost anything. If you're going within web/scram range, you need to be able to jam your target basically all the time, because it's not difficult to stop a scorp warping away. And you're only picking on large targets because small/medium ones will just leave, laughing at the tiny damage your torps don't even inflict on them because they can outrun them. Torps are viable on ravens because of the missile velocity bonus. As you say, you're EFT-crafting. The game reality is tragically different: The scorp can't kill anything it can catch, barring pilot error/inexperience. The best thing about it is that you can generally disengage after realising what a horrible mistake it is to try soloing in it. If you don't want the scorpion to be the one caldari ship that can plausibly solo, that's fine, but don't pretend that it's not outclassed in every possible role* by at least 3 other ships. Since the Topic is discussing which caldari ship most merits a decent drone bay, I'd be interested to hear your alternative candidate. Except maybe bait ship. Man, the possibilities there just make me desire* to fly it! i wish more ppl wld think like this guy rather than just say "waa caldari dont need a drone boat waaa" but we do need at least one semi-good option for soloing and we do need at least one line up sub-cap ship for the chimera to justify all that drone sp poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.22 15:42:00 - [19] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Malcanis Exactly what targets would you pick in your platescorp? noob lo-sec ratters in drakes are in serious danger from you, but they're in serious danger from almost anything. If you're going within web/scram range, you need to be able to jam your target basically all the time, because it's not difficult to stop a scorp warping away. And you're only picking on large targets because small/medium ones will just leave, laughing at the tiny damage your torps don't even inflict on them because they can outrun them. Torps are viable on ravens because of the missile velocity bonus. Switch an ECM for a web. Nobody's stopping you. Quote: Since the Topic is discussing which caldari ship most merits a decent drone bay, I'd be interested to hear your alternative candidate. Candidate? This follows the reasoning that a caldari ship needs a big drone bay because you have to train for carriers. Which is completely stupid. It's a separate skill tree entirely than heavy drones. ur an idiot, see the above posts for reasons minmatar can use 5 heavies, they arent specced for drones ammar can use 5 heavies they arent specced for drones gallente of course why not cladari? if u say because "there opposite to caldari" then why is the eris, lach and ares a missile boat? stfu and the reason im tlaking bout heavies is because it wld be stupid to put so much sp into drones such as interfacing/adv interfacing etc for carriers and not train for heavies/sentries, but cal are gimped as we cant field them in a single sub-cap cal ship I dont know how many times ive explained that u must be a tard poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.22 16:44:00 - [20] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: BiggestT ur an idiot, see the above posts for reasons minmatar can use 5 heavies, they arent specced for drones ammar can use 5 heavies they arent specced for drones gallente of course why not cladari? if u say because "there opposite to caldari" then why is the eris, lach and ares a missile boat? stfu and the reason im tlaking bout heavies is because it wld be stupid to put so much sp into drones such as interfacing/adv interfacing etc for carriers and not train for heavies/sentries, but cal are gimped as we cant field them in a single sub-cap cal ship I dont know how many times ive explained that u must be a tard You don't seem to understand the term "racial flavor". I'll just leave it at that, please leave at LEAST 5 personal insults below the quote line. explain caldari's "racial flavour" when all factions have bonused missile boats? and we share hybrids with gallente? and when minmatar shield tank? plz stop posting stuff without considering different aspects of ur so called "racial flavour" poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast

BiggestT Caldari Fun Inc	Posted - 2008.07.23 04:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Boz Well Hm, do gallente have a bonused missile ship (don't tell me stealth bomber lulz)? Most do, but not Gallente. Do Amarr shield tank? Maybe a small shield buffer on a nano boat Gallente have the eris, an interdictor, read above to see its missile bonus's Ammar can easily go down the shield tank road with the sansha faction ships e.g Nightmare but i do agree it is nice to have an ewar bs, tho i do think a little extra drone-ness wldnt be too much to ask for poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.09 16:04:00 - [22] Hmm, in retro-spect a scorp with a bigger drone bay may be a tad overpowered post-patch poudly annoying fc's since 2007 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123 caldari drone boat enthusiast

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