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Painin TheAss
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:22:00 -
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Come on, seriously ccp.
Falcons have turned into the i-win button of small gang warfare. You really cant beat a gang with a falcon in it unless u have like 10 or more peeps minimum. Eccm doesnt work. You can put 3eccm on your bs and still you're jammed 50% +
Come on ccp. Bring back small gang pvp. Nerf the falcons jamming distance significantly or at least boost ECCM. Jamming is overpowered and if you dont like blobs, a falcon will ruin your gaming experience. It has a place, it just shouldnt be an automatic victory for you if you have a falcon.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Imperial Servants
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Painin TheAss
Come on, seriously ccp.
Falcons have turned into the i-win button of small gang warfare. You really cant beat a gang with a falcon in it unless u have like 10 or more peeps minimum. Eccm doesnt work. You can put 3eccm on your bs and still you're jammed 50% +
If a BS is only jammed 50% of the time, then use the remaining time killing the Falcon. Afaik, they are rather thin and goes down pretty fast.
Yes, EW ships might be very powerful in small gangs but they need to have all the enemies jammed, or they die.
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Merrick Tolkien
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.21 13:41:00 -
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Primary = Falcon 
Or you could just jam them right back....... now theres a random thought! 
Shadow Company
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Lilly Gilbrath
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:27:00 -
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A rapier once killed me, nerf rapiers!!!
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Zikka
Hematite Rose
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:32:00 -
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I'd support a (modest) boost to ECCM but other than that I agree with the other respondents. Falcons are powerful ships but have their weaknesses.
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Spurty
Caldari
Cthulhu seaworm cult
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:55:00 -
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pfft, sounds like a small gang pvp'er came across a falcon and died.
falcon should win all 1v1 fights unless vs an fof spewing drake / caracal, in which case, the falcon just warps off, but certainly doesn't lose.
If the falcon had a BS jammed, what exactly were the rest of his gang doing about it? Slapping their DPS on it you expect, but I guess not. Your gang mates probably saw some t1 ship and wanted to get a kill (any kill, even if its completely the wrong target) therefore causing a cascade of losses for your side.
Put a falcon in your gang and go out again. You'll soon stop whining about ECM when you have it on your side.
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:58:00 -
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troll, stop feeding
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
Sunspot Requisitions
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.21 15:04:00 -
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l2PvP. you can only jam so may people at once. inevitably, someone will have to be un-jammed. as soon as that happens, set your drones on the falcon. even if you get jammed again, the drones will still attack.
Originally by: Ekrid
Edited by: Ekrid on 02/07/2008 14:33:35
because trying to fit medium beam lasers is like trying to shove a cow in your mailbox. doable, but it gets messy.
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.07.21 17:39:00 -
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solution, quit eve because you fail
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.
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Rogen DarHeel
Caldari
Rogen's Heroes
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.21 18:03:00 -
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Fight fire with fire son. Fastest lock time wins. You can even beat a falcon with a lachesis. Just lock and damp/jam him first. Surely you have some of those type of pilots in your fleet....
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.21 18:29:00 -
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They need to implement scripts for ECM mods, its bullshit that they ****ed over sensor damps, and tracking disrupters, but ECM mods are just as effective as ever, YAY BALANCE 
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.21 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen
They need to implement scripts for ECM mods, its bullshit that they ****ed over sensor damps, and tracking disrupters, but ECM mods are just as effective as ever, YAY BALANCE
all of thats nonsense, ecm was chance based, sorry bro, you didn't know that
falcons are fine, ecm works well... nuff said
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Faife
Minmatar
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.21 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Faife on 21/07/2008 18:45:12
bring a pack of FOFs and some drones
EDIT: and fit a tank. falcons have the dps of nanoship.
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Tarison
Gallente
PezCo - Ice Services
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Posted - 2008.07.21 19:02:00 -
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When people are focused on doing their job in a fight, as opposed to getting on all the killmails, it is amazing.
A single bomber(or other cloak ship with some range) equipped with a passive targeter on anti ECM duty.
The pilot won't get lots of kills, but a ship can't jam people when it warps off grid to avoid fire.
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Painin TheAss
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Posted - 2008.07.21 19:24:00 -
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show me a ship that can fit eccm and still have the targetting range and weapon range to hit a falcon at 200km. it doesnt exist. there is no counter to a falcon
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SonOf X51
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Posted - 2008.07.21 19:32:00 -
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Horrible troll thread
1/10
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Qduhaf
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Posted - 2008.07.21 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
EDIT: and fit a tank. falcons have the dps of nanoship.
Falcons have dps? really anyone that loses a 1v1 to a falcon should be ashamed of themselves, not only do they do like next to 0 dps, they have no tank and are dead slow.
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Painin TheAss
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Posted - 2008.07.21 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Painin TheAss on 21/07/2008 20:01:33
with all your wisdom about how easy to kill falcons are, i still have never seen a fitting for a ship that can kill a falcon. what can hit at 200km and still fit eccm? nothing. What can close on a falcon fast enough to tackle it and still have the dps to kill it and still fit eccm? nothing
They should make jammers use scripts like the rest of eccm. Choose jamming strength or jamming distance. fair is fair. Lets have a counter for the falcon. They certainly nerfed the shit outta my pilgrim, lol
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.21 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Straight Chillen on 21/07/2008 20:36:04
Originally by: Matrixcvd
Originally by: Straight Chillen
They need to implement scripts for ECM mods, its bullshit that they ****ed over sensor damps, and tracking disrupters, but ECM mods are just as effective as ever, YAY BALANCE
all of thats nonsense, ecm was chance based, sorry bro, you didn't know that
falcons are fine, ecm works well... nuff said
Actually i do know that, but it doesnt change the fact that is just as effective now, as it was when every other form of ewar got kicked in the teeth, the fact that it is chance based has nothing to do with that. Why dont u come with a legitimate arguement, instead of trying to be a condesending *****, Nuff said to your ass.
ECM should be ****ed in the same exact why that other forms of ewar is, Severely nerf the base effectiveness, and give it scripts for either long range low power jamming, or short range high power jamming. Hell i think it should be the same deal with webbers and warp scramblers, and it would do a great deal to make the game more interesting and varied
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Qduhaf
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Posted - 2008.07.21 20:31:00 -
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if the falcon is at 150km (which is about the max), then you can:
1. warp away
2. have fast tackler burn to, and then warp your eccm ship to the tackler
3. Ignore the faclon and take out the other ships in his gang
Falcons within drone range just need to have your drones assigned to them.
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Painin TheAss
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Posted - 2008.07.21 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Qduhaf
if the falcon is at 150km (which is about the max), then you can:
1. warp away
2. have fast tackler burn to, and then warp your eccm ship to the tackler
3. Ignore the faclon and take out the other ships in his gang
Falcons within drone range just need to have your drones assigned to them.
ok 1. any small gang with a falcon in it can tackle u and jam u indefinately. there is no warp away.
2. again your answer to jamming is only to have a bigger blob of ships to send after the falcon. a blob is not a counter.
3. there is no ignoring a falcon or shooting other ships in his gang in small gang warfare. You will not target, you have no options.
and 150km is NOT the max that a falcon can jam at. Try more like 200km. No other covert recon can perform its roles at 200km. In fact my pilgrim gets no range bonus for my neuts at all! and still it has no tank.....
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Adeena Torcfist
Caldari
Dark Underground Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.21 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Put a falcon in your gang and go out again. You'll soon stop whining about ECM when you have it on your side.
thats the best arguement yet.
I fly Falcons, & they cant ALWAYS jamm. Fit ECCM, christ, its like not fitting a plate or Shield Extender, & complaining u died in volly before you could repp.
Falcons cant kill either, so what goes up in 1 area, severly diminishes in another.
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Qduhaf
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Posted - 2008.07.21 21:21:00 -
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Pilgrim is a worthless ship atm, completely agree with that and it should have the neut/nos range bonus to make it useful. EVE is a better place when all the ships have viable PVP roles, not just nos domis or nano vagas.
A pilgrim/curse with ECCM is tough to jam, I have been on both sides of that equation. With ECCM, a maxed falcon with 2 racials still only gets around 1/3 chance of jamming. Nano fited curse can be on that falcon quick and after quick round of neuts, the falcon is floating junk.
Nothing is going to save 1 pilgrim pilot against a falcon in a gang! But 3 recons/battleships against a falcon and 2 of anything else will do well. I'd suggest that you look for a falcon pilot to join your gang, its now a viable ship.
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Akiba Penrose
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.21 22:20:00 -
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/Signed
Falcons is overpowered, everybody knows it.
Imo ECM in general is a big mistake and should be completely re-done. It does not add anything to pvp.
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Wannabehero
Caldari
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.07.21 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Painin TheAss
Edited by: Painin TheAss on 21/07/2008 20:01:33
with all your wisdom about how easy to kill falcons are, i still have never seen a fitting for a ship that can kill a falcon. what can hit at 200km and still fit eccm? nothing. What can close on a falcon fast enough to tackle it and still have the dps to kill it and still fit eccm? nothing
Apocalypse to Shut Up the OP
Highs
8x TACHYON BEAM LASER II (Aurora L)
Mids
2x ECCM - Radar II
2x Sensor Booster II (range)
Lows
1x Tracking Enhancer II
1x Signal Amplifier II
2x Heat Sink II
1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate
1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1x Damage Control Unit II
Rigs
1x Energy Locus Coordinator I
2x Ancillary Current Router I
Optimal of over 213 km, Targeting range of over 228 km, assuming you have the skills Long Range Targeting V and Sharpshooting V (which you should, they are fast trains).
Sensor strength of over 71.9 (Max skilled Falcon pilot will have under a 19.5% chance to jam per overheated racial).
Alpha of 2613, RoF of 7.32 seconds (357 DPS). This alpha will 2 shot a standard falcon setup (no tank) unless they have hull upgrades to V or have a DCU active.
Requires a 3% PG implant to fit, otherwise downgrade a couple Tach's to Megabeams.
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Qduhaf
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Posted - 2008.07.21 22:38:00 -
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A armor tanking raven or even scorpion could do same with cruise missiles. Falcons aren't overpowered they just need to be part of the balance for ship set-up.
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Chairborne
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Posted - 2008.07.22 03:16:00 -
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a boost to eccm would be good or maybe just a slight adjustment to the falloff of ecm's a little more in line with effects of using a dampner at max range, becuase IMHO i dont think a falcon should be able to effectively cycle jam BS's outside a good sniping BS's range, just bring em in a little closer maybe by 20km or so would fix it, for me anyway. But an All out nerf is out in my book.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
Sunspot Requisitions
Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.22 08:56:00 -
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i must say, ive often thought the range of ECM was a little excessive. perhaps bring it closer to 40/60km max? after all, the inverse square law dictates it takes 4 times the power to transmit twice the distance. 90km would be a lot of power.
Originally by: Ekrid
Edited by: Ekrid on 02/07/2008 14:33:35
because trying to fit medium beam lasers is like trying to shove a cow in your mailbox. doable, but it gets messy.
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