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Monkey Rat
Caldari
The Nietzian Way
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.22 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Monkey Rat on 22/07/2008 17:46:48
I design and implement new business processes for manufacturing companies migrating to SAP. SAP is an ERP solution to manage all aspects of a companies business, from procurement of raw materials to selling of finished goods and includes all aspects of inventory, stakeholder and financial management.
EVE businesses are similar enough to real life ones for me to want to implement SAP on an EVE corp. I'd be particularly interested to explore running the figures through SAP's powerful planning and forecasting tools to see what strategic advantage, if any, could be gleaned form organised data. I'd also like to produce a full balance sheet including a detailed profit and loss statement, fixed assets, accruals and provisions, inventory figures and bank reconciliations.
Edit - If someone can explain what data can be obtained from the EVE server I'd be grateful. Also, this is in no way affiliated/ endorsed/ accredited with Hydra Alliance.
Has anyone seen anything similar to this on this forum as I'd be interested in ideas/ common issues etc. I've seen excel based solutions but not much else. I'd also be keen to find out what data one can extract from the EVE server as SAP is geared to handle interfaces in multiple formats. Any pointers would be much appreciated.
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Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2008.07.22 18:33:00 -
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You may want to post this in the market discussion forum.
There you might find intrested parties in this kind of venture.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:11:00 -
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Jesus I have to contend with SAP at work, and you want to put it into a game?
That's... I mean why would you do that man? Why would you do that? 
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Monkey Rat
SAP is an ERP
I stopped reading right there.
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sg3s
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.22 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Jesus I have to contend with SAP at work, and you want to put it into a game?
That's... I mean why would you do that man? Why would you do that?
My guess is that he is good at it and will use it if he can make ISK with it.
Originally by: Tarminic
Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.
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Azia Burgi
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:06:00 -
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having to contend with the mess that is SAP at work if you tried to get SAP in eve I would hunt you down and introduce you to the business end of my launchers.
Azia Burgi
http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
BP Profit Calculator
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Monkey Rat
Edited by: Monkey Rat on 22/07/2008 17:46:48
I design and implement new business processes for manufacturing companies migrating to SAP. SAP is an ERP solution to manage all aspects of a companies business, from procurement of raw materials to selling of finished goods and includes all aspects of inventory, stakeholder and financial management.
EVE businesses are similar enough to real life ones for me to want to implement SAP on an EVE corp. I'd be particularly interested to explore running the figures through SAP's powerful planning and forecasting tools to see what strategic advantage, if any, could be gleaned form organised data. I'd also like to produce a full balance sheet including a detailed profit and loss statement, fixed assets, accruals and provisions, inventory figures and bank reconciliations.
Edit - If someone can explain what data can be obtained from the EVE server I'd be grateful. Also, this is in no way affiliated/ endorsed/ accredited with Hydra Alliance.
Has anyone seen anything similar to this on this forum as I'd be interested in ideas/ common issues etc. I've seen excel based solutions but not much else. I'd also be keen to find out what data one can extract from the EVE server as SAP is geared to handle interfaces in multiple formats. Any pointers would be much appreciated.
Isn't SAP expensive?
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GallenteCitizen20080615
Gallente
Federation War News
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Posted - 2008.07.22 20:27:00 -
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my eyes are bleeding
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Anndarra Winge
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Posted - 2008.07.22 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Monkey Rat
Edited by: Monkey Rat on 22/07/2008 17:46:48
I design and implement new business processes for manufacturing companies migrating to SAP. SAP is an ERP solution to manage all aspects of a companies business, from procurement of raw materials to selling of finished goods and includes all aspects of inventory, stakeholder and financial management.
If you implement this in EVE - I am so going to wardec you. I will hunt you from one end of the universe to the other.
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Orego
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Posted - 2008.07.22 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Monkey Rat
Edited by: Monkey Rat on 22/07/2008 17:46:48
I design and implement new business processes for manufacturing companies migrating to SAP. SAP is an ERP solution to manage all aspects of a companies business, from procurement of raw materials to selling of finished goods and includes all aspects of inventory, stakeholder and financial management.
EVE businesses are similar enough to real life ones for me to want to implement SAP on an EVE corp. I'd be particularly interested to explore running the figures through SAP's powerful planning and forecasting tools to see what strategic advantage, if any, could be gleaned form organised data. I'd also like to produce a full balance sheet including a detailed profit and loss statement, fixed assets, accruals and provisions, inventory figures and bank reconciliations.
Edit - If someone can explain what data can be obtained from the EVE server I'd be grateful. Also, this is in no way affiliated/ endorsed/ accredited with Hydra Alliance.
Has anyone seen anything similar to this on this forum as I'd be interested in ideas/ common issues etc. I've seen excel based solutions but not much else. I'd also be keen to find out what data one can extract from the EVE server as SAP is geared to handle interfaces in multiple formats. Any pointers would be much appreciated.
SAP? We dont have 20 billion Euro to pay for it. ANd also, the 18 to 24 months to test and implement. LOL
Peoplesoft and Siebel are much better anyway, but only slightly less expensive.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.22 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 22/07/2008 21:37:21
Eek, SAP is possibly the most powerful yet user unfriendly ERP solution on the market, Dynamics is a much better solution for ease of use.
While I don't believe we are discussing this a well implemented ERP solution could be useful in eve I guess to the most industrial of industrial corps but its unlikely to really have much impact, most businesses that get sold the solution never get enough usage out of it to make it worthwhile.
The cost of a licence for an eve corp would be nuts.
Proud member of the Caldari Death Squad
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Lui Kai
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.22 21:43:00 -
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Did anyone else click this thread wondering if it was going to talk about dubbing audio in different languages in game? 
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Azelle
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Posted - 2008.07.22 21:46:00 -
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Luckily I didnt have to work with it at my old job, but I had colleages who were cursing SAP to hell.
At a cost of 150 million Euro and 24 months of implementation and it still wasnt working no wonder people were cursing .. ( I used to work at the Danish postal service. )
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HaaaaiiiiYA
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Posted - 2008.07.22 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: HaaaaiiiiYA on 22/07/2008 21:52:51
Edited by: HaaaaiiiiYA on 22/07/2008 21:52:06
hahahahaha SAP, who in their right mind...........
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/10/levis_erp_costs/Levi's, Whirlpool, Hersheys and more were sad pandas because they picked SAP
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Rimhawk
Caldari
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.07.22 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rimhawk on 22/07/2008 23:04:07
A parody, but having witnessed two SAP implementations its one with a BIG core of truth:
1. SAP is suggested as a solution for our problems. (Check).
2. A demo is provided. We get many charts, reports etc. 'Oppurtunities' for cost reduction and process improvement are identified.We are all expected to say: AWESOME!
3. Implementation commences. More work than expected so additional consultants are hired. Cost increases but hey who's counting (we can't anyway, we don't have SAP yet).
4. Incremental introduction of SAP. Players obviously require training, they are not qualified to operate the state-of-the-art interface. More cost incurred.
5. Some functionality is more difficult to implement than expected. Costly research indicates this is due to inadequacies in the process. Consultants advise 'optimizations':
a.) Ships to be divided into new classes for convenience: BIG, MEDIUM, SMALL.
b.) Reprocessing made efficient: Reprocessed items now yield 1 unit of tritanium.
c.) Journal entries now have 90 attributes. Loading journal takes 2 hours.
d.) Insurance doesn't 'work' for the new process and is eliminated.
6. Players still don't get the interface, coaching is required. More consultants are hired. Planning is updated, we're right back on schedule instead of three months behind.
7. Implementation continues slowly. SAP is flawless, but:
a.) Users have trouble adapting to the process improvements.
b.) The organisation is not quite ready for the change.
c.) The EVE devs are too slow to adapt.
8. CALAMITY: Users complain about performance. Stopgap measure: Tranquility hardware is re-assigned to SAP. Replacement hardware is ordered but also deployed for SAP. Performance improves slightly but 5 vs 5 fights now have jita-like lag.
9. A specialist (Dr. I.R. N00b) is hired to improve the interface. 300 new screens and 800 new functions are added. Error rates increase as performance degrades, costs are through the roof. Adjustment of planning and budget puts the project right back on schedule.
10. CALAMITY: Implementation threatened by unforeseen circumstances: It turns out players are able to destroy ships!?!?!?! This unforeseen development plays havoc on cost calculations! (After all, who would expect WARships to be DESTROYED in a PVP-CENTRIC GAME). Consultants suggest a stopgap measure: Disallow players to activate weapons while the situation is investigated. CCP complies because they invested so much they can't back out now.
11. Implementation continues. AP routes are optimized for speed. GM department is flooded with complaints since the route from Yulai to Jita now runs through Delve and Detorid. BOB and Goons are happy.
12. A solution is found for the ship destruction issue. With an artificial cap in place players can once again destroy each others ships. A cap is set at 78 ships per player per year. Titans are eliminated because they often exceed this number.
13. Despite many improvements and coaching players still cannot operate the interface, which now has over 800 screens, 4000 buttons and 9000 data fields. SAP consultants are hired to replace players who are quitting in droves.
14. The RAMSAN is employed to counter SAP database performance issues. The EVE database is shifted to Oveur's home rig. Planning adjustments put us back on schedule.
15. Forums are considered counterproductive and removed in favor of management reports. BOB and Goons once again less happy.
16. Project progresses. Players login four times to get in. Items can only be ordered one at a time. Ship undock requires triplicate forms and GM approval. Players exiting the game must fill in timesheets. Many quit.
17. Project is highly succesful, on time AND on budget, it even makes the NY Times. Tranquility now has 1000 concurrent players left, all are miners or paid SAP consultants. Under threat of legal action Sir Molle and Darius Johnson praise SAP in a rare joint inverview on CNN.
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Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2008.07.24 10:03:00 -
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He is not suggesting implementing sap on the eve cluster.
He is suggesting to use sap for evaluation of a in-game corporation
I see some problems as managing non-trade-stock assets is not nearly as importand in eve as it is irl, so at least imo there is little to be gained analyzing that
But maybe using such a tool to analyze transactions for a trader or a production corp could yield some intresting results.
However, as I have said before such an idear would be much more welcome in the market discussion forum.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagas Pharmaceuticals
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Posted - 2008.07.24 10:33:00 -
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In one word... NO! SAP is AWFULL!
Btw, if you do that you'll have a couple merc corps at your back.
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oniplE
Loving Pirates
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:10:00 -
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Well a tool LIKE sap could be useful for larger corporations or alliances.
But obviously SAP itself is way too expensive to be a realistic option. I've worked in a SAP implementation project earlier this year and the costs involved were incredible.
I think SAP Business ByDesign might be a lot cheaper, but it would still cost.. 1300 dollars a month?
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Pilot Abilene
Caldari
Serpentine Dream Theory
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:12:00 -
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Are you ppl really that thick? ...and I don't mean the OP. He was asking what data can be extracted not that he wants to implement it on the eve cluster. I don't know the extent of the data that can be extracted but maybe someone with basic reading comprehension skills may see your post. Sounds interesting if you want to put all that effort in.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:13:00 -
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I Germany, we generally say that the abbreviation "SAP" stands for "Sanduhr-Anzeige-Programm", which would translate to "Hourglass Displaying Program" in English.
That said, I have never actually worked with SAP, so aside from sharing this anecdote I will withhold unqualified judgement.
And finally, I would advise the posters here to take the chill pill - if you think he wants to integrate SAP as a program into EVE, you have misunderstood him. What he wants to do is run a SAP implementation with figures from a production corp in EVE.
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Prof Patpending
Warp badgers with guns
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:15:00 -
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We don't need SAP. Just ask the Goons, they seem to find plenty of saps to scam 
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Ordon Gundar
Caldari
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:16:00 -
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I work in Procurement in the Automotive Aftermarket, and four of our major suppliers have migrated to SAP. And their performance has worsened considerably.
The main problem is that a computer system, no matter how complex, cannot make up for a human beings intuition.
Are some people just hell-bent on making Eve another job????
Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S) |
Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Life is Experience
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:19:00 -
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Or maybe you could just use EveMeep?
Sure it's done on a personal level, but it does include corp assets if you have the roles, and I'm still not totally sure about the processing/building total(s) windows.
I'm not sure that even with the best tools, that it can predict the future in Eve. Besides even if it does, one could argue that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Life is about memories the more the better.
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Jagadeishan
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:26:00 -
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Developing ERP-like application would be great for EVE corporation management, but using SAP?? you got to be jokin...
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oniplE
Loving Pirates
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Abilene
Are you ppl really that thick? ...and I don't mean the OP. He was asking what data can be extracted not that he wants to implement it on the eve cluster. I don't know the extent of the data that can be extracted but maybe someone with basic reading comprehension skills may see your post. Sounds interesting if you want to put all that effort in.
"EVE businesses are similar enough to real life ones for me to want to implement SAP on an EVE corp. I'd be particularly interested to explore running the figures through SAP's powerful planning and forecasting tools to see what strategic advantage, if any, could be gleaned form organised data."
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:41:00 -
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eve commander is as close as what api allows
theres no shares in the api apparently :(
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Tenacha Khan
E-Thugz
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Posted - 2008.07.24 11:41:00 -
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At the moment we are unable to extract much data from eve, would be nice to be able to download an hourly snapshot of the eve market and extract all production records, without those you would have to manually input all information and that would make the whole task pointless.
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Tratis Sykes
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.24 12:23:00 -
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Here in Germany SAP stands for 'Schrecken, Angst und Panik' for many ppl. Translated it would be 'Loathing, Fear and Panic'.
But generaly, an ERP Software for an industrial/trader Corp can have some benefits, if you are willing to fill out all needed information manually.
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Crae Matreki
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.24 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rimhawk
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Awesomeness! That's totally the SAP way. Slow And Painful.
The world doesn't need SAP, so I don't see why anyone in EVE would need it.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.24 12:30:00 -
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WTH ARE YOU THINKIN' ABOUT?
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