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DREDD xCZx	Posted - 2008.07.23 00:39:00 - [1] Edited by: DREDD xCZx on 23/07/2008 00:40:18 I am just curious as to something lately. What happens when you die? I have come to believe that after you die, nothing happens, and that is it, your life ceases to exist. I cannot accept this, how can it be that your life, and everything you have worked for or know, to basically have been for nothing? You aren't going to remember any of it, you won't know of anything that happened in your life, who you loved, what you done, where you had been... How do people accept this? To know that you will never know you existed, not know anything, to have it taken away from you... That's not right, that's not fair, and definitely not human.
Irish Whiskey Caldari The Black Fleet The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.23 00:43:00 - [2] The human psyche cannot perceive non-existance of itself. Make sure you send me that setup 8)
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.07.23 00:47:00 - [3] So you're saying that unless your life has some overarching, cosmic, eternal significance, it has no significance at all? What hubris... *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.23 00:47:00 - [4] It's depressing to think that our consciousness, the years of experience and wisdom, memories of love and loss will simply fade away into the background of the universe, but there's not really any evidence to suggest otherwise. The fact is that human life is so insignificant is both terrifying and beautiful at the same time, to me anyway. I like to think that when I die I'll have left something behind for someone else that will last for a time, but that's just the human psyche trying desperately to survive in some form or other. In all honesty, I fear losing the people I care about much more than I fear my own non-existance. I can accept the fact that I will eventually become nothing...but the woman I love... ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
DREDD xCZx	Posted - 2008.07.23 00:50:00 - [5] No, I am saying that there is no proof to persuade me to believe in a 'God' type figure. That is going to save me or judge me after death. There is no solid proof of a heaven or paradise. Hence I come to believe there is no such thing, we live in a world full of crime,****,poverty,terrorism,death and destruction. How can there be a higher level of existence? There just possibly can't be one.
Irish Whiskey Caldari The Black Fleet The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:03:00 - [6] Originally by: DREDD xCZx No, I am saying that there is no proof to persuade me to believe in a 'God' type figure. That is going to save me or judge me after death. There is no solid proof of a heaven or paradise. Hence I come to believe there is no such thing, we live in a world full of crime,****,poverty,terrorism,death and destruction. How can there be a higher level of existence? There just possibly can't be one. Oh, if you put it that way... Well, I choose to look at it like this: We are born into a world that has been working based on using only 5 of our senses for all of humanity's recorded history. From the beginning of our existance, we perceive what has been forced into our brains. Therefore, some people are hardwired to believe that there is only one 'god' and can never remove that possibility from their brains. There is a large difference between those who actively deny the religion their society taught them and those who never had religion during their childhood. Some people do not know the difference between right and wrong from another person's perspective and therefore cannot understand another person's extreme opinions. That all being said, if you were to break free of the chains that have been put upon your mind and understand the greater meaning of existence, you would figure out that there are ways to never 'die' in the ways you have been taught to perceive death.
DREDD xCZx	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:18:00 - [7] I find it rediculously hard to accept what I believe, I think that's pretty stupid. When the hell is the test server back up??
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:20:00 - [8] I personally may not believe in a religion but I sure as hell believe in ghosts so I like to believe that there is 'some kind' of existence after this one. What it is that ghosts do other than play with dice and talk to people in their sleep I do not know.
Dmian Gallente Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:22:00 - [9] Well, it's called Atheism. When you accept that there's nothing after life, you start to appreciate more the limited time you have, you truly enjoy every moment because you know that, when you die, it'll be over. Enjoy it while it lasts. You realize that life's precious, a lovely joke that's great to play and share with other people. If you have goals in your life, life makes total sense. Also parenthood gets more significant and you truly realize it's importance as a way to perpetuate yourself. I don't think that the promise of a heaven, a paradise and virgins or a second opportunity makes more sense of life, really (can I have the virgins now? ) ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here
Irish Whiskey Caldari The Black Fleet The Black Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:29:00 - [10] Originally by: DREDD xCZx When the hell is the test server back up?? See thread topic

pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:36:00 - [11] After death you leave behind whatever effect you have on the people around you. That is your afterlife. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Gabbot	Posted - 2008.07.23 02:19:00 - [12] We live on.......in the force im sorry, it needed to be said
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.23 02:23:00 - [13] Originally by: DREDD xCZx That's not right, that's not fair, and definitely not human. You should read Jitterbug Perfume. I bet you'll love it
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.23 02:46:00 - [14] Well there are tons of religions that try to explain life after death, I would like to believe that life wont cease to exist. I personally like to believe one of three things could happen. 1)since im a christian, stuff happens and everybody now knows what stuff that is. 2)life just ceases at death. 3)This would be my favourate- the human brain is just a cage for your consciousness, once you die your consciousness is released as energy where you can choose whether you want to fly around in that state or find another cage. Out of the 3 I think 2 would be most plausible, but ive stopped believing in this because its downright depressing.
Gabbot	Posted - 2008.07.23 03:33:00 - [15] Originally by: goodby4u Well there are tons of religions that try to explain life after death, I would like to believe that life wont cease to exist. I personally like to believe one of three things could happen. 1)since im a christian, stuff happens and everybody now knows what stuff that is. 2)life just ceases at death. 3)This would be my favourate- the human brain is just a cage for your consciousness, once you die your consciousness is released as energy where you can choose whether you want to fly around in that state or find another cage. Out of the 3 I think 2 would be most plausible, but ive stopped believing in this because its downright depressing. 2 isnt depressing, it makes u want to live every day like its your last, enjoy your life to the fullest, instead of abstaining from alchohol, sex and all the other fun things in life!
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings	Posted - 2008.07.23 03:47:00 - [16] Edited by: DubanFP on 23/07/2008 03:47:41 There's a couple ways you can look at it. A couple of the things i've considered include When you think your brain releases Electromagnetic waves. Every spark of every neuron every moment of your life. These waves will ring out through the cosmos for all of eternity cataloging every moment of your life through your eyes. Another is your legacy. How will you be remembered in the hearts of your friends and loved ones? You live on for some time in their minds until nobody is left to remember you. Still whether you did more good or harm to humanity in your lifetime your effects will still be there. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.23 04:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Gabbot Originally by: goodby4u Well there are tons of religions that try to explain life after death, I would like to believe that life wont cease to exist. I personally like to believe one of three things could happen. 1)since im a christian, stuff happens and everybody now knows what stuff that is. 2)life just ceases at death. 3)This would be my favourate- the human brain is just a cage for your consciousness, once you die your consciousness is released as energy where you can choose whether you want to fly around in that state or find another cage. Out of the 3 I think 2 would be most plausible, but ive stopped believing in this because its downright depressing. 2 isnt depressing, it makes u want to live every day like its your last, enjoy your life to the fullest, instead of abstaining from alchohol, sex and all the other fun things in life! 2 makes you believe there is no reason for anything we do, there is no point to advance, or look forward to anything. 2 makes me feel like nothing matters and I might as well end myself now because I will affect nothing.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.07.23 04:23:00 - [18] Ya'all let me know when to post the link for the suicide hotline.....
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.23 04:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Ya'all let me know when to post the link for the suicide hotline..... I said thats what I would think if I believed that, and I used to(I was an antheist a while ago)and decided to believe what I do matters. Im not suicidal, not by a longshot.
Buff Plankchest	Posted - 2008.07.23 04:30:00 - [20] Suicide hotline? I'll contact Achmed the dead terrorist and tell him he has a new recruit

goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.23 04:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Buff Plankchest Suicide hotline? I'll contact Achmed the dead terrorist and tell him he has a new recruit I cant go, im sick
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.07.23 06:35:00 - [22] Tonight in OOP: Deep Thoughts in the Internet Spaceship Game Forum --- Originally by: El'tar I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.23 06:52:00 - [23] Originally by: DREDD xCZx What happens when you die? You are re-inserted into the matrix oh wait... _______ Oh Mindy...
Shinux First Caldari Regiment	Posted - 2008.07.23 07:10:00 - [24] Welcome to nihilism 101. You have just reached a wonderful point in your life! Good luck, and welcome to the group :)
Ch Tang	Posted - 2008.07.23 08:29:00 - [25] I have faith in a life after death. However, as stated before, there is no scientific proof of this and therefor no way to intelligently argue the topic. The only thing that I may add is that this belief is something that must be revealed to a person and this revelation may, or may not, have a root taking effect.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.23 10:21:00 - [26] Edited by: Reven Cordelle on 23/07/2008 10:22:35 What awaits after your percieved "real existance" will forever be a mystery. Even if it is nothing, we cannot actually imagine pure "nothing". Science Vs Religion technically. However the entire arguement pivots on the existance of a "soul" or something similar. When you die, your brain stops working... not immediately.. but it dies. Blood flow to the brain halts, the brain tissues die off, it all just goes away. Without a brain, theres no perception of anything. There IS actually nothing. Of course some people may think that the brain never actually dies and continues to work in some capacity, but then decomposition sets in which pulls the brain apart piece by piece until it is just dirt in the ground, or ashes in a small ceramic pot. The idea that everyone has a soul naturally voids the fact that your brain is basically you, and when it ends. You do. With the soul, its assumed that the soul is you. Maybe your soul goes to "heaven", maybe it gets implanted into another body on this plane of existance and that you end up actually being someone else, but you can't remember your past life for it to actually matter. Who knows, but as far as science dictates, as soon as brain activity fails.. you are nothing. Ever had a nights sleep when you wake up but you don't remember having dreamt, or what you dreamt about? If you have that nights sleep, but you don't wake up... thats probably what happens. You just aren't there anymore. Sorry man, but we're just a bug like everything else on this planet, and even if we were put here by some higher being, that doesnt mean that our existance somehow matters for something in this incredible expanse of space. What we work for is nothing but a strive to exist in a changing enviroment. How does this make us any different to any other creature we share this planet with? We've developed an advanced brain over millions of years of evolution, theres no reason to say that no other animal can do the same. Of course, I could be wrong. Fact is.. you don't know. But looking at it from a scientific point of view, it seems that an afterlife is not very likely. I think thats more than 2 cents...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:22:00 - [27] Originally by: DREDD xCZx What happens when you die? I have come to believe that after you die, nothing happens, and that is it, your life ceases to exist. I cannot accept this, how can it be that your life, and everything you have worked for or know, to basically have been for nothing? You aren't going to remember any of it, you won't know of anything that happened in your life, who you loved, what you done, where you had been... What's so hard to accept ? You live how much you can live, then you cease existing, and all what's left is the memory of you in the people you interacted with, or the people that heard of you. It's about as hard to accept like the fact the sun will rise each morning (almost certainly, for a long time) or the fact gravity holds you down to the Earth's surface. Quote: How do people accept this? Most don't. That's why we have religions. Quote: To know that you will never know you existed, not know anything, to have it taken away from you... That's not right, that's not fair, and definitely not human. Actually, it's completely fair and absolutely human. And "right" is a relative term. _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:26:00 - [28] you just achieved teen angst. congratulations.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Akita T Actually, it's completely fair and absolutely human. And "right" is a relative term. It's human, yes, but whether it's fair or not is as relative as the term right. You might argue our body is a present, and the matter as well as the energy it is composed of is only a loan from the earth/god/coincidence/whatever. BUT - and thats where "jitterbug perfume" comes in - there'S something fishy about that: Our emotions, the love we feel, the hate, the pain, happiness, anger and even the hardon in the morning - THAT'S OURS. Yours and mine and everbodies. We get up in the morning, resisting our OWN weaker self. After we reached a certain age, it's very likely you feel pain while doing so. YOUR OWN PERSONAL PAIN. You have to endure it, and theres no friggin earth/god/coincidence/whatever to alleviate that pain. Ok, but let's not get hung up on this aching bones, have a look further. Unless youre a lucky bastard, you have to get out and work to afford bare necessities. You know... sacrifice 8 hours or more of this beautiful day to be able to... not starve or freeze. Shit, is this all part of the big divine present that "Life" is? because if you ask me, the deal is getting worse the longer i look at it. The car may not be mine, but the ride was damn hard to pull off, so please, have a little respect and ASK if i want to leave the car, instead of kicking me out. thats just rude. you catch my drift? read "jitterbug perfume". because... it really is NOT fair, but that doesn't mean we should resort to desperate measures like religion to cope with it.
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.07.23 14:28:00 - [30] When you die in the Matrix, you die in real life. According to the movie Ghost, with Patrick Swayze, you stay behind to complete unfinished business. After that, you live on a subway train ripping people's grocery bags and manhandling other ghosts. That's the life for me I'd say! __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!

Flash Bombardo	Posted - 2008.07.23 14:55:00 - [31] According to The Mighty Boosh, whilst in limbo, you may be lucky enough to get a free haunting. Some people like to say goodbye to their dear old Mum, whilst others prefer to come back back and terrify someone by levitating cups. Howards Journey To Hell
ivar R'dhak STK Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.23 15:17:00 - [32] Bah, as usual the know-it-alls and funnybones are p!ssing around in this thread. Listen to someone who knows what he¦s talking about instead: Preview of Interviews with Dannion Brinkley 1 & 2 Make sure you get the full interviews No.1 & No.2 _ Mal-`Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-¦Big damn heroes sir.¦ Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.07.23 16:03:00 - [33] Edited by: Plumpy McPudding on 23/07/2008 16:03:07 Originally by: ivar R'dhak Bah, as usual the know-it-alls and funnybones are p!ssing around in this thread. Listen to someone who knows what he¦s talking about instead: Preview of Interviews with Dannion Brinkley 1 & 2 Make sure you get the full interviews No.1 & No.2 Wouldn't this man have to die to know everything there is to know about the after life? Is he a zombie? __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.23 16:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Edited by: Plumpy McPudding on 23/07/2008 16:03:07 Originally by: ivar R'dhak Bah, as usual the know-it-alls and funnybones are p!ssing around in this thread. Listen to someone who knows what he¦s talking about instead: Preview of Interviews with Dannion Brinkley 1 & 2 Make sure you get the full interviews No.1 & No.2 Wouldn't this man have to die to know everything there is to know about the after life? Is he a zombie? Indeed... Ill go get my shotgun...
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:21:00 - [35] Edited by: annoing on 23/07/2008 17:21:58 Originally by: DREDD xCZx I am just curious as to something lately. What happens when you die? I have come to believe that after you die, nothing happens, and that is it, your life ceases to exist. I cannot accept this, how can it be that your life, and everything you have worked for or know, to basically have been for nothing? You aren't going to remember any of it, you won't know of anything that happened in your life, who you loved, what you done, where you had been... How do people accept this? To know that you will never know you existed, not know anything, to have it taken away from you... That's not right, that's not fair, and definitely not human. And thus you realise why religion has such a grip on the human psyche. You fear oblivion and so you are willing to believe some cr@p about a fictional so-called omnipresent, omnipotent deity that offers you eternal life, full of memories of a life past. Does it make you feel happier? The truth is so hard to accept isnt it? When you die, you die. There is nothing afterwards. Learn to live with it and you'll learn to live a happer life. Here is something for you to contemplate: You never truely die until the last person who remembers you die themselves. Up to that point all of your victories, defeats, loves and genius are alive and well. Through your children, through your actions, through your friendships your life exists. Learn to live life and make the most of it. Dwi Cymraig
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:26:00 - [36] fear of death is quite possibly the most meaningless fear one could have in my oppinion, no we do not know what will happen to us after death but our body contains energy, and that energy has to go somewhere Originally by: Reem Fairchild The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:29:00 - [37] Edited by: goodby4u on 23/07/2008 17:29:55 Originally by: annoing Edited by: annoing on 23/07/2008 17:21:58 Originally by: DREDD xCZx I am just curious as to something lately. What happens when you die? I have come to believe that after you die, nothing happens, and that is it, your life ceases to exist. I cannot accept this, how can it be that your life, and everything you have worked for or know, to basically have been for nothing? You aren't going to remember any of it, you won't know of anything that happened in your life, who you loved, what you done, where you had been... How do people accept this? To know that you will never know you existed, not know anything, to have it taken away from you... That's not right, that's not fair, and definitely not human. And thus you realise why religion has such a grip on the human psyche. You fear oblivion and so you are willing to believe some cr@p about a fictional so-called omnipresent, omnipotent deity that offers you eternal life, full of memories of a life past. Does it make you feel happier? The truth is so hard to accept isnt it? When you die, you die. There is nothing afterwards. Learn to live with it and you'll learn to live a happer life. Here is something for you to contemplate: You never truely die until the last person who remembers you die themselves. Up to that point all of your victories, defeats, loves and genius are alive and well. Through your children, through your actions, through your friendships your life exists. Learn to live life and make the most of it. But that still means we all shall die one day, I mean people such as washington and alaxander the great wont be remembered forever, and thus even that idea is hard to grip. I guess your just a stronger person then I because I would like to believe my accomplishments and triumphs will mean something in the longrun.... And if I were to believe they wouldnt I would be a very depressed, and horrible person. Lastly, Arvald, while im a christian I do tend to believe in just that, that the consciousness can be its own entity and exist outside the body or enter another.
Cindy Swallows	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:33:00 - [38] i would like to know what happens after death. There really must be something because i cannot imagine the nothingness. I don't believe in god or anything like that but i still think that there must be something.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Cindy Swallows i would like to know what happens after death. There really must be something because i cannot imagine the nothingness. I don't believe in god or anything like that but i still think that there must be something. How much is that info worth to you? Motherships
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:39:00 - [40] Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Cindy Swallows i would like to know what happens after death. There really must be something because i cannot imagine the nothingness. I don't believe in god or anything like that but i still think that there must be something. How much is that info worth to you? Originally by: Reem Fairchild The fact that people who post stupid things get instant and honest feedback letting them know how stupid they are, is one of the best qualities of the Eve forums.

YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:41:00 - [41] How much isk are you all willing to pay? Motherships
Cindy Swallows	Posted - 2008.07.23 17:56:00 - [42] i'm gonna find out myself and for free, when time is right (ie when i'm very old)
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.23 18:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Cindy Swallows i'm gonna find out myself and for free, when time is right (ie when i'm very old) What if what I'm going to tell you will influence your life from this moment to your last? I'm offering Enlightenment. Motherships
Mabel Ainsworth	Posted - 2008.07.23 18:20:00 - [44] Just like the op, I can't my head around the idea that I'll stop existing. Your existance will be completely forgotten and anything you'v done is in vain. But still nothing to fear in it IMO, millions and millions have gone through it before me and the cycle will continnue after me. I hold on to that thought.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.07.25 01:52:00 - [45] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/07/2008 01:54:08 In order to understand what happens after death you must ask first what defines you as an individual. You will then realize that... However you people must also understand that my time is valuable and unless I receive a small incentive (no matter how small of a donation - even 100k isk will do) I cannot bring myself to providing a full explanation. Motherships
Kalahari Wayrest Re-Awakened Technologies Inc	Posted - 2008.07.25 02:09:00 - [46] Quote: I am just curious as to something lately. What happens when you die? I have come to believe that after you die, nothing happens, and that is it, your life ceases to exist. I cannot accept this, how can it be that your life, and everything you have worked for or know, to basically have been for nothing? You aren't going to remember any of it, you won't know of anything that happened in your life, who you loved, what you done, where you had been... How do people accept this? To know that you will never know you existed, not know anything, to have it taken away from you... That's not right, that's not fair, and definitely not human. It's quintessentially human __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:14:00 - [47] Edited by: Machimpy on 25/07/2008 03:17:32 Screw what yall believe in, you can't deny the logic that some day, even millions of years after your time, your body particles would have dispersed to become part of some other life form. As long you know that while you're still alive and conscious, you should'nt have any problem dealing with death, nothingness or God...
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:16:00 - [48] Life goes on
Delvardious Kaesos Caldari Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:19:00 - [49] I follow the religion of Jedi and I go to Temple every day. ---------------------------------------- Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes.
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:22:00 - [50] Suck on it, peeps are getting desperate these days.

Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:38:00 - [51] Originally by: pwnedgato After death you leave behind whatever effect you have on the people around you. That is your afterlife. Like ripples on the water. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Machimpy Edited by: Machimpy on 25/07/2008 03:17:32 Screw what yall believe in, you can't deny the logic that some day, even millions of years after your time, your body particles would have dispersed to become part of some other life form. As long you know that while you're still alive and conscious, you should'nt have any problem dealing with death, nothingness or God... And this matters how? It wont contain my consciousness so what would it matter to me?
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:12:00 - [53] Edited by: Machimpy on 25/07/2008 04:14:34 Quote: And this matters how? It wont contain my consciousness so what would it matter to me? I hope this doesnt sound selfcentered, but if only darkness comes after ones death why should you care about what happens after your death? Precisely, you shouldn't care, life behaves before you already, and maybe just as well without you. There'd be no point trying to imagine and speculate about it beyond that anyway, leave that to the religious folk.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Machimpy Edited by: Machimpy on 25/07/2008 04:14:34 Quote: And this matters how? It wont contain my consciousness so what would it matter to me? I hope this doesnt sound selfcentered, but if only darkness comes after ones death why should you care about what happens after your death? Precisely, you shouldn't care, life behaves before you already, and maybe just as well without you. There'd be no point trying to imagine and speculate about it beyond that anyway, leave that to the religious folk. Well by definition I am religious(I believe there is life after death). I would say I believe in a....Modified christianity.
Machimpy	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:19:00 - [55] And what would that modified belief system be?
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:26:00 - [56] Originally by: Machimpy And what would that modified belief system be? I dont like to discuss religion on the forums but I guess I will.. Atm most christians follow the bible to the note, I definately do not, infact I tend to believe that the bible is full of stories(some might be true, I tend to believe most are false)but they contain a moral. NOTE RELIGIOUS STUFF AHEAD. Now if you ask most christians they will tell you sinning at any time is wrong, I tend to believe the ten commandments(and otherwise) are just lessons to follow through everyday life(ie you shouldnt stab some random guy for no reason)but it is your personal call when the shit hits the fan. Basically, try your best to be a good person, and youll be rewarded... But I do have an open mind when it comes to religion as im still young.
JAQUE ALERA	Posted - 2008.07.25 07:06:00 - [57] CLICK...
Moleclown Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:18:00 - [58] Hmm, atm I think we die and that's it, but you have to remember that our mind can't exactly create something completely new, everything we create in our head is something we've seen or read about, ie a monster doesn't exist in real life, but the colours, it's limbs and the general concept of arms and legs are from the real world. Try and think of something completely new, you'll find you can't. The point behind that is that noone alive has experienced death so we can't imagine it at all, and we can't imagine not existing for the same reason. Well that's my mumbo - jumbo out of the way Player x- It's still 4am for the lil ol' amarican and I got to get to bed soon. Player y- You know ur tierd when u can't spell your own nationality. Moleclown- You know ur tired when you can't s
Mark Lucius Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:31:00 - [59] Screw you guys! I have secured my place near the stripper factory ßnd the beer volcano. ---
The TX Gallente Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:39:00 - [60] I intend to live forever. (Whether that is literally or metaphorically or something-else-ery, I don't know) -------------------- [Signature] [/Signature]

Davai Davai	Posted - 2008.07.27 07:43:00 - [61] you just wake up in your last clone :)
Kyanzes Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.07.27 12:38:00 - [62] Edited by: Kyanzes on 27/07/2008 12:42:24 You say it bothers you that there will be a moment in time when your consciousness will be no more. You can try to zero in on this problem from the opposite end: have you ever been terrified by the fact that there was a time in the past you have not yet existed? If you are so afraid then it should bother you just as much. Death "feels" exactly the same. I'm sure you don't have any ill effects of not having existed in a timeframe before your life started so there's no reason to be afraid of your future non-existance. Here and now you have the power to have an impact, however small, on the world. You, unless you are incapable of conception, also have the power to give life. But even if you can't have children you can help to make the world better for others. Or worse, for that matter You have to face it: you will die. Tomorrow, next week or decades from now. But it will come. I agree that with the progression of time, as you get used to its passing, time seems to flow faster and faster. Your body (or consciousness if you will) adapts to its flow and you earn a certain immunity to its effects. Death is not the goal here so don't focus on it. Death is basically a salvation if you will: as your body can no longer function (being old, having an accident etc) it simply submits to the rules of nature and delivers you from unnecessary pain, inability to reason etc. Since time will have no meaning after your death if there's any form of life for you in the future, it will come immediately as you will not be able to experience the time passed between your lifes. I personally don't believe in such thing as reincarnation but one may never know for absolutely sure. That's where religion comes to play. Some people do believe. That's why churches can have such an impact on human life. Yeah, death bothers me too sometimes, but pure logic an reasoning won't give you any meaningful answers. Some believe Jesus existed and delivered mankind from certain doom. Others believe in Buddha, yet others in Allah. There are those who go after L. Ron Hubbard... If you ask me religion is but a tool in the hands of a select few who excercise control over large groups of humans to their own benefit. Try to think this way: sit down and take a timer in your hand, or launch the time config window on the Windows taskbar (modern times ) and let the second hand reach zero. Now imagine that the final minute of your life begins. Now watch it going around for a minute. Ask yourself: what else could you have done in that one minute aside from waiting for it to pass? There are a lot of things that would fit inside that 60 seconds. Ofc you could extend this to an hour, a day, a week etc. To your entire life. It's the content that matters, not the final moment when the time is up. As others said you can have an impact. Even this contemplation of yours is having its effect since people are responding to the thread, dedicating some of their life to give it thought (however shallow some of these thoughts are ) and believe it or not their life has been changed by this. You may have saved some of them from death and ofc lead others to a lifeline that results in early exitus If I were you I would go out more often. Expose yourself to the outside world and play along. As the possiblity of afterlife cannot be scientifically disproved you can always cling on religion if all else fails. No shame in it, several billion people have been doing it Is there a char limit to posts? --------------------------------------------- Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.27 13:24:00 - [63] We, as humans, prefer to think that life won't just cease to exist. It goes together with the ultimate questions, "why am I here" and "what is my purpose in life". Without a finite span, the world would become far too overcrowded. Once you've had your turn on the wheel of life, it's time to step aside and let someone else have a turn, there are only so many spaces. When nature calls your number, you don't have a choice. There is no reason for you to be here, no ultimate destiny or prophecy you are supposed to fulfil before you go, no path on which you must walk. You are born and you die, that is all. What you do between these two events is entirely your own choice but, since you already know that your time is finite, make the most of it, there are no second tries. You may leave behind part of your DNA, a legacy if you prefer to think of it as such but that is all. Just remember the ending of Blade Runner: "All these things will be lost, like tears in the rain." It just sums up life. Nothing you remember will be stored forever unless you chose to write it all down. Even then, you can only describe something you have seen and the reader can visualize but never truly see if for themselves. In a similar way to describing a scene of beauty to a person who has been blind all their life, they may get an idea of it but never truly appreciate the actual feeling that a person who can see it gets. For example, try describing a color to a person who has never been able to see. Life is a 'once only' offer, there is no such thing as 'then' after 'dead' unless you are talking about what happens to the physical body. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.07.27 14:14:00 - [64] well i've always believed there is no after life so to speak so i've always thought that i should make the most of my life but i haven't really so far lol
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.27 21:48:00 - [65] when you die you won't care? so why think about it until you die?... have fun while your alive and just maybe if you make a big enough impact before you die, you will be remembered in future generations.. ________________________ I'M POOR
Akiba Penrose The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:29:00 - [66] When you die you just return to what you where before you where conceived. So to know what comes after death you just have to remember back to before you where born/conceived. We have all been dead, and will eventually return to death. Life is just a short little break from death actually.


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