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Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:59:00 -
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For one we are forced to look at things like mining level two which we never asked for. Please allow us to remove skills even if its at the cost of losing those skill points.
Also it would be nice to remove noob mistakes that simply look awful on your skillsheet! 
CCP awesomesauce!
Feel free to discuss and or troll this thread. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2859
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:00:00 -
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No! Stand by your mistakes and CCP forced injects! lol
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
982
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:00:00 -
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This accomplishes literally nothing. In fact it hurts - you got hacked? lol, enjoy your 0 SP character.
You didn't sink time into the skill. You lost nothing. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |

Cyprus Black
The Eden Company
157
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:01:00 -
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Quite possibly the most ******** "suggestion" ever.
Having a few mining skills has absolutely no negative impact on your character. Nobody is judging your skillsheet. This is just stupid.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
887
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:06:00 -
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Noes.
But I do want to give moneys to CCP to buy Sp directly to the toon of my choice and not the pain/RMT commerce that is toons bazaar.
10 mill per year it's not much, wouldn't change anything for whoever in the game except that, the more players with high sp you have the more they use pimpy stuff and the more they sub more accounts, because they're happy having 2 char stuck in a super and a Titan.
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seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
109
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:08:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:This accomplishes literally nothing. In fact it hurts - you got hacked? lol, enjoy your 0 SP character.
You didn't sink time into the skill. You lost nothing.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5664
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:17:00 -
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I thought they could treat OCD fairly well these daysGǪ? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Andski
GoonWaffe
3214
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:19:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:But I do want to give moneys to CCP to buy Sp directly to the toon of my choice
better idea: get out "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Rixiu
PonyTek
114
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:19:00 -
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Skills generally have no negative impact on how you perform doing something, they can only be positive (in some cases not the AB skill but you get the idea).
Titan pilots with mining skills are just as good as titan pilots without mining skills and hence your suggestion is bad and you should feel bad. |

Stellar Vix
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:24:00 -
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Absolutely not.
Reason number 1
This turns into a safe way to xport really expensive skill books.
-Vix |
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:26:00 -
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Its about perfectionism.
Call me a strange animal, I just like the ability to choose to perfect something.
Freedom of choice within the limits given to you should be supreme. To optimally do or not do something. Make sense?
Probably not. |

Andski
GoonWaffe
3216
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:28:00 -
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repeatedly self-destruct pods until that awful mining skill is at 0 "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
950
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Posted - 2012.03.18 16:57:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:For one we are forced to look at things like mining level two which we never asked for. Please allow us to remove skills even if its at the cost of losing those skill points. Also it would be nice to remove noob mistakes that simply look awful on your skillsheet!  CCP awesomesauce! Feel free to discuss and or troll this thread.
What a bunch of noobs posting in this thread. I have PVP characters with six indy skills i didn't want or ask for.
You kiddies these days have no inkling how much random SP was tossed at you in the old character creator. I want the option to delete that SP.
While it in no way affects the performance of the character, it's just ugly to look at. I like seeing a nice focused skill sheet. Plus it lowers the sell value and I don't like selling characters for less than I need to.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:27:00 -
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My point exactly!
As for the noobs posting in this thread not able to apply rational thinking, you just got Epeen'd.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
3218
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:29:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:My point exactly!
As for the noobs posting in this thread not able to apply rational thinking, you just got Epeen'd.
here's a question
why should CCP spend any amount of development time on something nobody cares about besides worthless forum alt posting worms like you? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:42:00 -
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Here's an answer.
Being able to erase a simple little piece of data would be just as easy to erase a simple little forum troll like yourself.
You seem mad bro.
And I quote this from some other forum thread I read somewhere...
Quote:Show us on the doll where CCP touched you. |

Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
103
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:58:00 -
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It's generally a bad idea to sell ships (other than shuttles after your done with them) because you never know when you could use it one day. Same thing goes with skills. Lets say for example you have an industrial skill up to 3 but you haven't needed it in 5 years. Now suddenly, your alliance is getting steamrolled by another alliance and you have to evacuate all assets. Now you can fly a ship that can carry your most expensive **** in the system and GTFO.
Or maybe you never intended to be a miner, but a certain mineral's prices skyrocket and mining it will make people rich. In the time it will take for others to train for a good mining ship the prices will stabilize but you can cash in since you already have the ship trained.
There is no real reason to delete skills. I have skills I regretted training to but I'm not too upset about it because there is a chance I might need it one day. |

Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:04:00 -
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This is where EVE is the beautiful platform of planning ahead. If one day I needed a certain skill I would purchase it one day and inject it one day. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
951
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:07:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:It's generally a bad idea to sell ships (other than shuttles after your done with them) because you never know when you could use it one day. Same thing goes with skills. Lets say for example you have an industrial skill up to 3 but you haven't needed it in 5 years. Now suddenly, your alliance is getting steamrolled by another alliance and you have to evacuate all assets. Now you can fly a ship that can carry your most expensive **** in the system and GTFO.
Or maybe you never intended to be a miner, but a certain mineral's prices skyrocket and mining it will make people rich. In the time it will take for others to train for a good mining ship the prices will stabilize but you can cash in since you already have the ship trained.
There is no real reason to delete skills. I have skills I regretted training to but I'm not too upset about it because there is a chance I might need it one day.
That's fine if you are poor and have only one character.
But I have around 500 ships at the moment and 8 active characters. I'm pretty secure in the knowledge that if mineral prices go up I won't need to train mining skills on one of my PVP characters to take advantage of it.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5665
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:10:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:This is where EVE is the beautiful platform of planning ahead. If one day I needed a certain skill I would purchase it one day and inject it one day. GǪwhich still doesn't mean that there's any real reason to delete skills. Just get some meds or CBT GÇö it's a more general solution that covers this problem as well. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
12
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:13:00 -
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This idea is absolutely moronic. No. |

Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:23:00 -
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Quote:GǪwhich still doesn't mean that there's any real reason to delete skills. Just get some meds or CBT GÇö it's a more general solution that covers this problem as well.
Hide yo wives, hide yo kids, it's the derogatory queen.
Quote:This idea is absolutely moronic. No.
This cat is pushing a watermelon out of a lake. Your argument is invalid. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5665
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:28:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:Hide yo wives, hide yo kids, it's the derogatory queen. Providing solution for OCD is hardly derogatory, nor is pointing out that there's no point in, or reason for, the mechanic you're asking for. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
120
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:32:00 -
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If you sat a CCP coder down to do this, you'd end up getting negative skillpoints, all skills skills removed and replaced with Salvaging Drones and logs that show nothing about how it happened.
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stoicfaux
787
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:37:00 -
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Crikey, OP sounds like one of those people who try to control the shape of a ClearCase version tree by pro-actively branching every single element in a new branch view.
edit: Forgot to add /esoteric tag.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
497
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:37:00 -
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As I see it, and as rather meticulous when it comes to building up characters, on one hand I wouldn't object to have have that option but on the other hand as they don't really affect my game in a negative sense, I am against it. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:39:00 -
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Quote:Providing solution for OCD is hardly derogatory, nor is pointing out that there's no point in, or reason for, the mechanic you're asking for.
You seem to be very keen on trying to insist that psychological disorders are the reason you can not come up with an argument that has any common sense, logic or content.
I am going to have to heavily agree with you on this.
If it is an option you are too feeble-minded to not want to use you can always go for the option of not using it!
Stop trying to come up with deviations that are an insult to the low intellectual capacity you come across with. |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:41:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:For one we are forced to look at things like mining level two which we never asked for. Please allow us to remove skills even if its at the cost of losing those skill points. Also it would be nice to remove noob mistakes that simply look awful on your skillsheet!  CCP awesomesauce! Feel free to discuss and or troll this thread.
No. I have devoted myself to making mistakes that teach me how to be a better pilot. I reserve the right to face the consequences of my own actions. You have no right to take away said consequences. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |

Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:44:00 -
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Quote:No. I have devoted myself to making mistakes that teach me how to be a better pilot. I reserve the right to face the consequences of my own actions. You have no right to take away said consequences.
Yea, except you are being forced to live with the consequences of mistakes that CCP makes for you.
Freedom of choosing your own choices is daunting isn't it. |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
12
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:47:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:Quote:No. I have devoted myself to making mistakes that teach me how to be a better pilot. I reserve the right to face the consequences of my own actions. You have no right to take away said consequences. Yea, except you are being forced to live with the consequences of mistakes that CCP makes for you. Freedom of choosing your own choices is daunting isn't it.
This is like asking to pick and choose what internal organs you have when you're born you know. Those skills are there initially to make your starting character able to make money in a variety of ways. |
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
101
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:51:00 -
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I'm ok with 'untraining' skills at the same rate you train them at. If someone wants to spend time untraining instead of training, have at it. |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.18 18:52:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:Quote:No. I have devoted myself to making mistakes that teach me how to be a better pilot. I reserve the right to face the consequences of my own actions. You have no right to take away said consequences. Yea, except you are being forced to live with the consequences of mistakes that CCP makes for you. Freedom of choosing your own choices is daunting isn't it. This is like asking to pick and choose what internal organs you have when you're born you know. Those skills are there initially to make your starting character able to make money in a variety of ways.
I will have to file a petition to Jehovah asking him why the frakk did he screw up my ability to resist all diseases and my ability to live forever and why he was such a douche to the people of this planet and then expects us to believe he is all caring. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |

Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:13:00 -
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I can't belive that somebody is asking this for real. |

stoicfaux
787
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:27:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:I can't belive that somebody is asking this for real. He's trolling. The game is now to use pithy retorts, extreme/creative analogies, and for the OP to present logic that you know is wrong but somehow just can't formulate a counter-argument for.
Or we can go back to arguing rehashing the arguments about whether the removal of the learning skills with its attendant across the board increase in attributes was a good idea or not. I, for one, have no desire to continue arguing about learning skills.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5668
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:28:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:You seem to be very keen on trying to insist that psychological disorders are the reason you can not come up with an argument that has any common sense, logic or content. No, you provided that reason pretty much from the outset. I'm simply suggesting that game mechanics aren't the right way to go.
You are asking for something that makes absolutely no difference whatsoever. You're talking about consequences and mistakes that don't exist. Whether it's a disorder or not is for a professional to decide, but I can tell you that you're trying to solve a problem that does not exist except in your head. If it's just a matter of having a few strewn-about lvl II:s or lvl III:s, get them up to IV or V or whatever makes things right in your world to make it not GÇ£look awfulGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
769
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:37:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:Also it would be nice to remove noob mistakes that simply look awful on your skillsheet!
Might I suggest the following link:
http://www.camh.net/About_Addiction_Mental_Health/Mental_Health_Information/OCD/ocd_medications.html The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |

masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
13
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:42:00 -
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I know right? What does he expect?
"Well you're an extremely well rounded pvp character who has a solid killboard and can t2 fit t3s so I think you're right for us --- wait a second you have mining level 2 you noob! Get out of my sight carebear!"  |

Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:45:00 -
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Quote:You are asking for something that makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.
To you.
Quote:You're talking about consequences and mistakes that don't exist.
In your head.
Quote:Whether it's a disorder or not is for a professional to decide, but I can tell you that you're trying to solve a problem that does not exist except in your head.
In your mind.
Quote:If it's just a matter of having a few strewn-about lvl II:s or lvl III:s, get them up to IV or V or whatever makes things right in your world to make it not GÇ£look awfulGÇ¥.
In your perception.
Are you seriously that daft?
A simple destroy erase improve function that would take hardly any effort whatsoever that in the opinion of a plenty amount of people would neaten up the way a skillsheet looks.
Just train your obsessive compulsive disorder and get your cognitive behavioural therapy up to IV or V or whatever makes things right in your world to make it look "not awful.
Right back in your face you feeble-minded idiot.
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:49:00 -
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You know what CCP,
Just go ahead and toss this thread in your ideas and features cage where none of these idiots feel compelled to add their lowlife opinions without any content to something your most likely not going to change anyway. |

Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
769
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:50:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:Right back in your face you feeble-minded idiot. Making friends and influencing people.
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5668
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:54:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:To you. In your head. In your mind. In your perception. That's the whole problem, isn't it: it's all in your head. So why not solve the problem there instead rather than burden the GMs with more frivolous petitions from random batches of butterfingered users?
Quote:A simple destroy erase improve function that would take hardly any effort whatsoever that in the opinion of a plenty amount of people would neaten up the way a skillsheet looks. Messing with the skill system and making it safe and balanced (and exploit free) is a fair amount of effort for something as pointless as a GÇ£neatGÇ¥ skill sheet. Why do you even need that? It makes zero difference to how your character works. This is the part you still fail to explain. Moreover, if you absolutely need a GÇ£neatGÇ¥ skill sheet to calm your nerves, there is already a method for that as previously indicated. What's wrong with that one?
Quote:Right back in your face you feeble-minded idiot. Yeah, you see, that doesn't quite work because I'm not the one asking the devs to waste time on something that doesn't serve any kind of purpose other than to assuage what so far can only be described as some deep-seated repulsion to uneven blocks of pixels. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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stoicfaux
787
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote: A simple destroy erase improve function that would take hardly any effort whatsoever that in the opinion of a plenty amount of people would neaten up the way a skillsheet looks.
Messing with the skill system and making it safe and balanced (and exploit free) is a fair amount of effort for something as pointless as a GÇ£neatGÇ¥ skill sheet. Why do you even need that? It makes zero difference to how your character works. Slippery Slope. If Eve has the ability to cleanly and safely remove skills, then Eve has the ability to do "skill respecs."
So is the OP just OCD (in the conversational, non-clinical sense) or is the OP angling for something bigger?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5668
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:10:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Slippery Slope. If Eve has the ability to cleanly and safely remove skills, then Eve has the ability to do "skill respecs." Not just that, but even on its own, it has issues.
Train every skill you need for the equipment you use, then ditch all the GÇ£lead-upGÇ¥ prereqs that aren't actually used or required for the equipment itself (eg. all those small / medium turret skills for large turrets). Bam! Cheap upper-tier T2-capable clone at a quarter the cost.
Quote:So is the OP just OCD (in the conversational, non-clinical sense) or is the OP angling for something bigger? Doesn't particularly matter.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:23:00 -
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Quote:Not just that, but even on its own, it has issues.
Train every skill you need for the equipment you use, then ditch all the GÇ£lead-upGÇ¥ prereqs that aren't actually used or required for the equipment itself (eg. all those small / medium turret skills for large turrets). Bam! Cheap upper-tier T2-capable clone at a quarter the cost.
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Ettu Brute II
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:04:00 -
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Macrathleachlainn Lucian wrote:This is where EVE is the beautiful platform of planning ahead. If one day I needed a certain skill I would purchase it one day and inject it one day. Thereby incurring precisely the disadvantage that Fredfredbug4 mentioned.  |
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