Just another note: Upon resizing the browser the right hand side panel gets dislocated. It's probable a table design issue.

I know, it's a side effect of the way i position the div blocks. I assume a minimal browser width of 1280 pixels, on smaller screen it messes up the positioning.
I'll have a look at it.

Is there some trick to minimize the market window while the scanning is running? Also is there anything i can do to make it as fast as possible? Some general "noob" proof tutorial would be nice, for the setup, upload and actual scanning tasks.

Do you offer a table (csv, mysql, xml, etc) download, of items in Jita 4-4, with an average/median sell price per item? I know you have an API, but for 4-5k items, I imagine a download would be less overhead for both of us?

If you don't, but would consider making something like that available, then you might also consider including the average/median buy price as well.

I really like the site design btw, and the 'new' feel.

Btw is there a way to see how old the shown data is?

On the main page the 'Issued at' column gives the time since the item was modified.

On the API page that data is missing because i want to keep everything as light weight as possible. Extra info means extra processing and extra bytes to transfer.

Btw are u running on a server, with multiple accounts for scanning? How do i "correctly" setup 2 accounts on the same machine, i noticed i get 2 different keys? Atm i just added 2x uploads in the 0.6 tool api, but i guess i may send redundant data?

I meant more like how old is this data, i mean isn't "issued at" just the point where the offer was created/modified? Something like "how old is the data i'm looking at". Evemarketeer has this little red/green light which notes how old the data is.

Like a field, icon which states how old the upload data is.

oki, with this rig u could run like 14 clients :)

my 4GB media PC seems to handle 2 clients pretty well for scanning, so that was my idea. Since i don't think i can run eve on my windows VPN server since no d3d gpu. ( i demand a headless eve server)

For the 2 keys, i tried to use the same key for the 2 clients and noticed that only one client got updated on the Api statistic info site, so i assumed this wont work?

I would also like the feature to display more regions at once.

I'll have a look at that.

You can select 'any region' and get all available prices.

Ah nice thx, also noticed the update timer

Now there is a small problem using both of those functions, since the timer is only valid per region. So if i check for a item to buy in all regions, i have no indicator how old the shown data is. I would like some separate table field per shown region or some color coded price, since basically all the "good" offers are likely 30+ days old.

What also could help is a settable filter to only show data if it is 5min, 30min, hour, day old .... so we can filter ourself?

I would like to suggest a other great feature :p

I like the clean and fast way the personal scan lists work, so here are my 2 improvement suggestions:

1) Make the list nameable, so if we have multiple lists we know which has what items in it.
2) Allow to use the categories names from the browser tree to create scan lists, as examples: Drones, Materials, Frigates.
3) Maybe add some production grouped default scanning lists like Marketeer (T2+mats, T3, T1)
4) The ability to run a given list only once or only once in a given time period, aka once per hour/day..? Maybe even scan enable multiple list and cycle through them in a set way. So that we can have high frequency list scans and low frequency list scans, but be able to hit one button and keep all lists updated.

I know the second feature is more complex since u need to pull the ids from your api, but my guess is they are used in the market tree view anyway.


thx and keep up the good work

Nice work.
Prioritize on making a dark theme. People always complain (for EVEMon too) that so much white burns the eyes after spending hours in space. And they are right, you know.

Nice work.
Prioritize on making a dark theme. People always complain (for EVEMon too) that so much white burns the eyes after spending hours in space. And they are right, you know.

Bizzare, the import api seems to have a URI limit of 2,158 characters. Curious because the default is more around 8,177. Although this could be because I'm using a payload method that does not stream the content.

More info here :D

I also replied in the other thread, but just so we are talking about the same thing, you are talking about retrieving price info via the API right?
Like: http://eve.addicts.nl/api/prices.php?typeID=34,35,2875,631
but with a longer typeID string.

Or are you trying to do something else?

I found this in the logs:
request failed: URI too long (longer than 8190)

i guess that's the default for apache.

I've made it possible to get the prices for all items on the market via the API.
Just add 'getAll=true' to the url and you will get the complete list.

Yes, I'm talking about the site. Your thought about readability may be noble but trying to figure out the exact price of an item in category 2 (100-1000) to distinguish an order (in my case mine) I have to check with the volume too (cause prices vary on second decimal).
I know what I request may be trivial but I'll have to set up an API way to get what I want. And I'm quite busy atm on another project.
I leave it up to you.

a) No you cannot minimize the market window as EVE will just re-open it each time the IGB makes the Javascript call to look up an item.

b) You cannot make it "as fast as possible" any faster then about 1 lookup every 3.0-3.5 seconds. If you attempt to call the EVE Javascript functions too fast, the client will just block your request and stop looking up items at all. (3.5 seconds seems to be the "safe" number, the closer you try to get to 3.0 seconds the more likely that you'll get bit.)

You know that Jita 4-4 is a 0.01 station. So you can't limit to a price range. :)

Edit: I see you changed it already. Much appreciate it.

i upped the ranges with a factor of 10

Till someone else complains about it (ain't we users some shi**y whiners?). :)

I found a way to upload twice as much as normal :)

Now for this to work, you have to be sure that the market scanner you are using will hand out unique blocks of items to each client that is uploading in the same region. This is important, because otherwise you will just be uploading the same items in short succession. I don't know how others have programmed their market scanners, but mine will work the way it should.

First you start the scanner as usual, then open another tab and also start the scanner in the second tab. That's it, no voodoo required :)

You might have to time the start of the second scanner a bit, starting it just after an item from the first scanner opened worked for me. If you get the message 'Notify IGB function throttle limit reached. Only 1 IGB javascript function allowed per second.', you have to restart the second scanner and time it a bit differently.
I usually get it working in one or two tries.

Once you have it running, it keeps running.

I assume you are talking about the website, not the API?

Low valued items do have 2 decimals, look at tritanium for example.

prices smaller than 100 have 2 decimals
prices between 100 and 1000 have 1 decimal
bigger than 1000 have no decimals

I did this for readability.

The API should have 2 decimals always.

- Definitely needs a "dark theme" as the default for the IGB

- When looking up an item like Tritanium, there needs to be a summary pane above the detailed buy/sell order listing indicating the approximate price.

- URL address needs to update so that you can copy/paste links to share with others such as the link to the Tritanium price in The Forge

EMD and EMK use the "5% simulated" method where they take the total unit volume up for sale and calculate how much you would pay if you bought the bottom 5% of the volume. EC offers a "sell percentile" in their API call, which is close to the EMK/EMD numbers. The 5% sim-buy works great for commodities, fairly well for moderate volume items, but does tend to fall apart slightly in the quieter regions on the low-volume items where sell prices can have a large spread and there's only a handful of units for sale.

I'm not a fan of straight averages, as they get unduly influenced either by the "buy a zillion units at 0.01 ISK" at the low end of the market or "selling 1 unit for a zillion ISK" at the high end. At a minimum, you have to drop the outliers (and define that in some fashion). Even EMK's harmonious mean numbers run much "hotter" then what you'll actually pay when shopping.

For buy orders it's trickier as the 5% rule doesn't work as well, especially on the lower volume items. But if you have a bunch of units that you want to move, the 5% simulated sell isn't a bad method (a 2% or 4% version might give better results).

I'm not a fan of straight averages, as they get unduly influenced either by the "buy a zillion units at 0.01 ISK" at the low end of the market or "selling 1 unit for a zillion ISK" at the high end. At a minimum, you have to drop the outliers (and define that in some fashion). Even EMK's harmonious mean numbers run much "hotter" then what you'll actually pay when shopping.

For buy orders it's trickier as the 5% rule doesn't work as well, especially on the lower volume items. But if you have a bunch of units that you want to move, the 5% simulated sell isn't a bad method (a 2% or 4% version might give better results).

Hey,

can u check item id "29966" there seems to be a mixup with a other item in the database since i see tonns of invalid priced entries.

thx Andy

Hey any hope on implementing this little update filtering box? I really would like to be able to set a minimum update time like eve-central has. Since now i can check empire/tradehubs easily, thx a bunch for this feature i often see very old entries with complete outdated prices. So being able to filter out by update/upload time would make filtering "bad" orders more comfortable.

Btw thx for the great site, i used jitonomic before and EvE Addicts is so much faster and more comfortable to use.

Hey!

Great service! I really like the simplicity and performance of the site. Also, the API is EXACTLY what i need for my Spreadsheets in Space!

Thumbs up! :)

Hey any hope on implementing this little update filtering box? I really would like to be able to set a minimum update time like eve-central has. Since now i can check empire/tradehubs easily, thx a bunch for this feature i often see very old entries with complete outdated prices. So being able to filter out by update/upload time would make filtering "bad" orders more comfortable.

Btw thx for the great site, i used jitonomic before and EvE Addicts is so much faster and more comfortable to use.

If you set the region to 'trade hubs', 'empire' or 'any'', you will find the text 'filter' on the top left of the sell orders. Once you hover over it, you can adjust the age of the data, 0 = any age, you can filter up to 14 days.
The setting is saved in a cookie, so out of game is should remember. For the IGB you'll have to set it for each session.

btw small bug/issue for selecting a item and searching a item. If u browse and select a item it will show the orders, but if u than use the search function it will only update the order tables, but not the navigation tab. For items with similar prices i sometimes fail to realize that the show orders are indeed not for the selected item, depending on my last search.
Would be less confusing if the navigation tab would update to the item accordingly, also helps to get a idea under what category the searched item actually is.

While i'm at it and its friday, what about a custom list like marketeer or marketdata, which u can create and browse? Since i mainly check specific items for each job, so basically the scan list we can create for uploading in a web friendly browsable format?

I don't think you have a page like the following yet:

http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/18

Ideally, it should list the top N market hub systems (Jita, Amarr, Dodixe, Rens).

Me wants decimals for all price range. Gimme moooaaarrr accuracy.

I don't think you have a page like the following yet:

http://www.evemarketeer.com/item/group_summary/18

Ideally, it should list the top N market hub systems (Jita, Amarr, Dodixe, Rens).

I have created something similar.

There is a new menu item called Market Groups, it opens a page where you can search for a market group to display.
You can also dubble-click a market group on the left hand menu.

EDIT:
If you set the region filter to -- Trade Hubs -- you will get data from:
Jita IV - Moon 4 / Rens VI - Moon 8 / Amarr VIII (Oris) / Dodixie IX - Moon 20

For me under FF12 the "dubble-click" is not working and i also can't find a way to get a group list view of any of the T3 subsystems? Ideally i would like to see a list of either all race/type specific or just the race + type.

Thx Andy

Only groups with actual items in them are dbl-clickable.
If you open 'Drones', 'Combat Drones' does not work, but 'Drone Upgrades' or 'Mining Drones' should work.

There is a new menu item called Market Groups, it opens a page where you can search for a market group to display.
You can also dubble-click a market group on the left hand menu.

I know it's offtopic, but Bob before you describe a feature in FF as awesome check that it wasn't first introduced in Chrome. FF is copying a lot of Chrome's features lately, which make me wonder why stick on FF.

... and use FF for all other stuff, mainly because chrome still lacks dozen of FF addons i like and use.

Hey, Snarf. I was watching the Stats page. How come the "This Month" is lower than "This Week"? How are you calc them?

Thanks. Now for the next request:

Update the browser title so it says "Eve Addicts - Market Group - Minerals ID 18" and update the URL line so that Firefox can easily find that page using its "awesome bar" search. With the EMK site, I could just type "group min" into the address bar and it would pull up the EMK's summary page for the market group.

The items on the market group page should be linked so that we can go to the item detail page.

I still prefer the EMK page because I could see all (4) major market hub prices at a glance for an entire group of items, which made it easier to go shopping for things like bulk minerals / datacores where I wanted it now, at the cheapest sell price and didn't have time to babysit buy orders. Or if I had a bunch of product - I could quickly see which of the four market hubs had the best sell prices and then ship that product to that hub for selling.

Thanks for adding the 5% number. Any ETA on adding that to the API?

Main things I use APIs for:

- How much my inputs are going to cost me. So the lowest 5% sell or the sell/percentile price is important. I don't base input costs on buy order values.

- What I can sell my outputs for (either to a buy order or as sell orders), again this is generally the 5% sell or sell/percentile value. If I want to sell my stuff quickly, I need to be in the bottom 5% of the total orders, not chasing some imaginary average value up in the middle of the pack.

- Figuring out if there's a possible trade opportunity across a regional boundary. In which case I'm looking at the top buy orders compared to the low-end of sells in the other region.

- Estimating what my stockpiles and assets are worth. Ideally done with either an average of the 5% sell prices in the top N market hubs, or as a 5% sell aggregate of the main market hubs.

Hi,

is there a API call like the "quicklook" from eve-central to actually get the buy/sell orders in XML format?

Thx Andy

I don't know if I don't understand your API correct or it's an error, but the following API request fail:
http://eve.addicts.nl/api/prices.php?detailed=true&typeID=34&stationID=60003760

On a side not: I'm going to implement this in jEveAssets...
Thank you for yet another great price data source! :)

Another irregularity:
http://eve.addicts.nl/api/prices.php?typeID=3898&detailed=true
I would expect buy_price and sell_price to have the value 0.0

It's not super important - just a minor issue... :)

For the record it's the typeID for "Quafe Zero"

You are doing the right thing.

Item input suggest does not prefer neither prefix match nor full match so it's impossible to input "Morphite" (many different Hemorphite-s show up).

Contact me [email protected] if you need developer help.

After EVEMon release we had to disable Eve Addicts as an endpoint, to ensure the smooth operation of the site, as data flow was surging and bringing the server down.
Now after several hours, things have smoothed out. Currently we are at 33 calls/sec and expecting the rate to drop even further.
So if Snarf wants to enable Eve Addicts again as an endpoint, please get in touch.

The only way i can see this working is a dedicated server, not on a vps.

@Snarf
If you can keep up with the EMDR feed rate then you can easily keep up with EVEMon direct uploading.

I have also added the ability to link to items, for now you have to construct the url yourself.
For example: http://eve.addicts.nl/index.php?typeID=12076&regionID=10000002
In the future i'll place a link somewhere to the item + region you are viewing.

I cant get this to work with IE9, while it works in FF13? The problem is that Excels Web Data import only uses IE, so is there a way around this? I would like to import orders directly from the web-page tables into Excel.

bye


PS: There is a excel/IE error, "Line 439, Char 2, 'console' is undefined code 0", no clue if this has anything to-do with this problem.

I see that the whole page is borked with IE again :(
I see if i can fix it, but no promises, IE sucks, it always has, it always will.

I know, but i prefer Excel over GoogleDocs/OpenOffice, but unfortunately they forget to add a option to choose your web import renderer, i wonder why :)

Thx for trying

bye

[Request] A much needed column at the ''Buy Orders' table, "Range".

Hi,

i just noticed that the 5% sell/buy are "just" the mathematical 5% percentile of the actual buy/sell price entries?
If this is correct, would it be possible to change this to a actual sell/buy simulation of 5% of the total stock?

Thx Andy

Feature request for market browser:
* security status filter
* quantity filter
* custom item list

I could help with programming of these and anything else.

Also i could help to defeat "5 minutes" update delay.

I don't think i understand what you mean or want. Can you give me an example?

I just noticed a difference in the 5% percentile, from your data and other sites. So my assumption was that u build the percentile based on just the price entries per order.
Evemarketdata/Eve-marketeer actually simulate what avg. price u would get, if u buy/sell 5% of the total available volume, using the existing orders.

Example Orders:

price; volume
100; 2
90;2
89;1
50;1000
48;1000
20;2000

5% price percentile = 97,5, while the avg. price to buy 5% volume would be something around 50.
I hope this makes sense.

bye Andy

This is exactly what is supposed to be calculated, unfortunately there is some error in the query i'm doing. I'm trying to figure out how to solve it atm.

I solved it, it was a stupid mistake in the query.

Site down. Looks like it got ganked.
Update: Working again.

May I suggest you switch to NGINX instead of Apache? Although it will not have an impact on the IO (but will on RAM and CPU usage), NGINX is suggested for VPS.

Hi,

unfortunately the math is still of :(

Examples:

http://eve.addicts.nl/api/prices.php?typeID=30562&regionID=10000002&detailed=true
http://api.eve-marketdata.com/api/item_prices2.xml?char_name=demo&type_ids=30562&region_ids=10000002&buysell=a
http://api.eve-central.com/api/marketstat?typeid=30562&regionlimit=10000002

Eve-Addicts list the 5% sell price at: 30000.00
eve-marketdata at: 74926.35
eve-central at: 74926.36

bye Andy


PS: I just noticed that the webpage-api list the correct "74926.36" price, so u might have forgotten to also apply the fix to the xml api?

AFAIK NGINX is very good for static stuff, but not as good for dynamic stuff like php.
Also, Apache has never been a problem so far.

Normally everything is working fine, although MySQL could use more ram...

I don't think that's the case anymore. Have a look at this: http://www.sitepoint.com/php-with-nginx-is-about-to-become-a-lot-easier/

AFAIK PHP-FPM is in PHP core as from 5.3.3.

Btw, EVE Marketeer is using NGINX/MariaDB/PHP setup and it plays quite well.

Not to mention that NGINX handles better (and more) connections than Apache, which as you remember Snarf, caused your service to fail trying to handle market data uploads from multiple EVEMon uploaders.

Edit: DOTLAN also runs on NGINX/MySQL/PHP platform.