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Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.18 17:41:00 -
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I thought is was about time to create an 'official' EvE Addicts topic, so I can respond to questions etc.
New features: Item lists - You can create a list of items that you can then use to run the item scanner on. You can also get price info of all the items in the list through the API, Just specify your upload key and list number (see the API page for details).
Snarf Aldes
-- If you enjoy sites such as evemarketeer, eve-central, eve.addicts, etc. please consider uploading price date to those sites. They are only useful as long as there is enough fresh data...
Creator of [url]http://eve.addicts.nl/[/url] |

Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2012.03.18 19:45:00 -
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I like the UI.
Expect EVEMon to feed you on its next release. Get prepared for some heavy data managing. |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.19 06:59:00 -
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Cool.
When you say 'feed you on its next release', i assume you mean pull price data from the API, or is there some hidden upload feature in EVEMon that i don't know about? Creator of EvE Addicts |

Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2012.03.19 07:00:00 -
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Patients my friend and you'll see. |

Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2012.03.19 15:26:00 -
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Just another note: Upon resizing the browser the right hand side panel gets dislocated. It's probable a table design issue. |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.20 06:47:00 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:Just another note: Upon resizing the browser the right hand side panel gets dislocated. It's probable a table design issue. I know, it's a side effect of the way i position the div blocks. I assume a minimal browser width of 1280 pixels, on smaller screen it messes up the positioning. I'll have a look at it. Creator of EvE Addicts |

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.20 13:26:00 -
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Snarf Aldes wrote:Desmont McCallock wrote:Just another note: Upon resizing the browser the right hand side panel gets dislocated. It's probable a table design issue. I know, it's a side effect of the way i position the div blocks. I assume a minimal browser width of 1280 pixels, on smaller screen it messes up the positioning. I'll have a look at it.
1280 is too big of an assumption. The safer number is still around 1000px wide (so it works on 1024x768 screens or on people who keep their browser non-maximized).
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Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:48:00 -
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Is there some trick to minimize the market window while the scanning is running? Also is there anything i can do to make it as fast as possible? Some general "noob" proof tutorial would be nice, for the setup, upload and actual scanning tasks. |

Axari
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:53:00 -
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Do you offer a table (csv, mysql, xml, etc) download, of items in Jita 4-4, with an average/median sell price per item? I know you have an API, but for 4-5k items, I imagine a download would be less overhead for both of us?
If you don't, but would consider making something like that available, then you might also consider including the average/median buy price as well.
I really like the site design btw, and the 'new' feel. |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.21 10:15:00 -
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Btw is there a way to see how old the shown data is? |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:26:00 -
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Andy DelGardo wrote:Is there some trick to minimize the market window while the scanning is running? Also is there anything i can do to make it as fast as possible? Some general "noob" proof tutorial would be nice, for the setup, upload and actual scanning tasks.
a) No you cannot minimize the market window as EVE will just re-open it each time the IGB makes the Javascript call to look up an item.
b) You cannot make it "as fast as possible" any faster then about 1 lookup every 3.0-3.5 seconds. If you attempt to call the EVE Javascript functions too fast, the client will just block your request and stop looking up items at all. (3.5 seconds seems to be the "safe" number, the closer you try to get to 3.0 seconds the more likely that you'll get bit.)
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Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.21 15:44:00 -
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Thx Master of uploads Bob :p
Btw are u running on a server, with multiple accounts for scanning? How do i "correctly" setup 2 accounts on the same machine, i noticed i get 2 different keys? Atm i just added 2x uploads in the 0.6 tool api, but i guess i may send redundant data?
Some more questions pls:
Do u also handle daily shutdown manually or u have a tool to relogin and start the scan process again? Is there some "organized" group, on who scans which parts of new eden or is everyone just sitting in jita? How is your setup running atm? Multiple trail accounts or simply a scanner char on one account 24/7? |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:04:00 -
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Axari wrote:Do you offer a table (csv, mysql, xml, etc) download, of items in Jita 4-4, with an average/median sell price per item? I know you have an API, but for 4-5k items, I imagine a download would be less overhead for both of us?
If you don't, but would consider making something like that available, then you might also consider including the average/median buy price as well.
I really like the site design btw, and the 'new' feel. Not at the moment.
I am currently focusing on making the server as stable as possible. Any extra processing (like calculating median price) etc. will have to wait until i'm satisfied with the overall performance.
I will have a look what i can do about the Jita 4-4 items.
Snarf Creator of EvE Addicts |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:07:00 -
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Andy DelGardo wrote:Btw is there a way to see how old the shown data is? On the main page the 'Issued at' column gives the time since the item was modified.
On the API page that data is missing because i want to keep everything as light weight as possible. Extra info means extra processing and extra bytes to transfer. Creator of EvE Addicts |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:19:00 -
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Snarf Aldes wrote:Andy DelGardo wrote:Btw is there a way to see how old the shown data is? On the main page the 'Issued at' column gives the time since the item was modified. On the API page that data is missing because i want to keep everything as light weight as possible. Extra info means extra processing and extra bytes to transfer.
I meant more like how old is this data, i mean isn't "issued at" just the point where the offer was created/modified? Something like "how old is the data i'm looking at". Evemarketeer has this little red/green light which notes how old the data is.
Like a field, icon which states how old the upload data is. |

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:48:00 -
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Andy DelGardo wrote: Btw are u running on a server, with multiple accounts for scanning? How do i "correctly" setup 2 accounts on the same machine, i noticed i get 2 different keys? Atm i just added 2x uploads in the 0.6 tool api, but i guess i may send redundant data?
Quad Core system with 16GB of RAM (I need to upgrade to a 6-core or 8-core unit next year).
As for running multiple accounts.
1) Install EVE 2) Fire up EVE shortcut, login on 1st account 3) Fire up EVE shortcut, login on 2nd account
You only need 1 upload key.
If you want the two different EVE instances to have different graphical settings, then you need to setup "junction" points and run the first EVE from directory A and the second EVE from directory B.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multiple_clients#Method_1_-_Junctions |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:51:00 -
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oki, with this rig u could run like 14 clients :)
my 4GB media PC seems to handle 2 clients pretty well for scanning, so that was my idea. Since i don't think i can run eve on my windows VPN server since no d3d gpu. ( i demand a headless eve server)
For the 2 keys, i tried to use the same key for the 2 clients and noticed that only one client got updated on the Api statistic info site, so i assumed this wont work? |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:53:00 -
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Andy DelGardo wrote:
I meant more like how old is this data, i mean isn't "issued at" just the point where the offer was created/modified? Something like "how old is the data i'm looking at". Evemarketeer has this little red/green light which notes how old the data is.
Like a field, icon which states how old the upload data is.
I guess i can put 'last update xx minutes ago' somewhere. Creator of [url]http://eve.addicts.nl/[/url] |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.21 16:57:00 -
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Andy DelGardo wrote:oki, with this rig u could run like 14 clients :)
my 4GB media PC seems to handle 2 clients pretty well for scanning, so that was my idea. Since i don't think i can run eve on my windows VPN server since no d3d gpu. ( i demand a headless eve server)
For the 2 keys, i tried to use the same key for the 2 clients and noticed that only one client got updated on the Api statistic info site, so i assumed this wont work?
The upload count from both clients will be added to the char name of the key you are using. Creator of Eve Addicts |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.22 23:23:00 -
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I would also like the feature to display more regions at once. |
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Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:55:00 -
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Andy DelGardo wrote:I would also like the feature to display more regions at once. I'll have a look at that.
You can select 'any region' and get all available prices. Creator of Eve Addicts |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:13:00 -
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Snarf Aldes wrote:Andy DelGardo wrote:I would also like the feature to display more regions at once. I'll have a look at that. You can select 'any region' and get all available prices.
Ah nice thx, also noticed the update timer. |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:35:00 -
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Andy DelGardo wrote:Ah nice thx, also noticed the update timer
Now there is a small problem using both of those functions, since the timer is only valid per region. So if i check for a item to buy in all regions, i have no indicator how old the shown data is. I would like some separate table field per shown region or some color coded price, since basically all the "good" offers are likely 30+ days old.
What also could help is a settable filter to only show data if it is 5min, 30min, hour, day old .... so we can filter ourself? For now i have added a column called 'Updated' when 'any region' is selected. I like the idea of a filter, will try to put that in. Could take a while though, I don't have a lot of time the comming weeks... Creator of Eve Addicts |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:48:00 -
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Ah this would be great, i also think a filter will work best.
Now the only thing i basically always miss on any eve market site is the ability to filter out all those "bad/garbage" sell/buy offers. I mean all entries that are way to high or to low. I wish i could set a ignore filter on those sites like if any entry strives 200% away from the median or avg price. |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:07:00 -
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I'm working on some underlying database tables atm, so weird stuff might (read as will) happen.
Things will probably break, but i hope to have everything back to normal asap. Creator of Eve Addicts |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
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I would like to suggest a other great feature :p
I like the clean and fast way the personal scan lists work, so here are my 2 improvement suggestions:
1) Make the list nameable, so if we have multiple lists we know which has what items in it. 2) Allow to use the categories names from the browser tree to create scan lists, as examples: Drones, Materials, Frigates.
I know the second feature is more complex since u need to pull the ids from your api, but my guess is they are used in the market tree view anyway.
thx and keep up the good work |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:48:00 -
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Andy DelGardo wrote:I would like to suggest a other great feature :p
I like the clean and fast way the personal scan lists work, so here are my 2 improvement suggestions:
1) Make the list nameable, so if we have multiple lists we know which has what items in it. 2) Allow to use the categories names from the browser tree to create scan lists, as examples: Drones, Materials, Frigates. 3) Maybe add some production grouped default scanning lists like Marketeer (T2+mats, T3, T1) 4) The ability to run a given list only once or only once in a given time period, aka once per hour/day..? Maybe even scan enable multiple list and cycle through them in a set way. So that we can have high frequency list scans and low frequency list scans, but be able to hit one button and keep all lists updated.
I know the second feature is more complex since u need to pull the ids from your api, but my guess is they are used in the market tree view anyway.
thx and keep up the good work I ran into the list naming thing myself as well :) I will look at the other stuff as well, can't promise when though... Creator of Eve Addicts |

Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:29:00 -
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Hi again and again more ideas!
1) Pls can u add more "logical" regions for the region filter? I would like a "Empire" and "TradeHubs" region filter option, similar to the "any region"? Similar to what u can select in the IskPerHour tool.
2) The ability to use the region filter, with the production calculation tab? This comes in handy to filter out all those null, low sec regions. The price button is then just for sell/buy/median price switch. Often jita has much higher prices and it is tedious to update all prices manually, so i normally would prefer a "tradehubs" or "empire" calculation over a jita one.
3) The option to select a minimum "sell" amount to consider production prices. Since i don't care about this one special component priced 200% under the "median" price, but i do care about the sell offer with 200 normal priced items for my production calculation. Atm i always have to double/triple check every single component, adding this option would grantee a valid and more realistic production calculation.
thx Andy |

Snarf Aldes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.09 12:59:00 -
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Added empire and trade hubs to the region selector.
I updated some stuff in the market scanner as well, see top post for info. Creator of Eve Addicts |

Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2012.04.09 13:05:00 -
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Nice work. Prioritize on making a dark theme. People always complain (for EVEMon too) that so much white burns the eyes after spending hours in space. And they are right, you know. |
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