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slothe	Posted - 2004.05.26 22:39:00 - [1] Perusing the trade channel today saw harvestors selling for 2 mill each w t f? bearing in mind most mining is by newer players- isnt this just a hinderance to developing players? doesnt seem fair to me (tho what do i know) can we not increase supply or bring in elite miners please. give the bp to noob corps and do something fair for once :P Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
Bohr	Posted - 2004.05.26 22:50:00 - [2] Harvester prices cough are seriously inflated cough due to them not dropping cough. Apparently cough they are still in rich cough ..abundance in the trade cough ..channel. Go cough ..buy them while they cough ..last, tho cough-cough have been around since they supposedly cough ..stopped dropping in november.
Totty	Posted - 2004.05.26 22:50:00 - [3] Why??? Noobs already have it much easier than veterans did at the same start of the game, especially if they have any sense and get stuck in with the right corp. Look how quickly some noobs get into a battleship compared to those of us who had to wait months for them to be introduced, for example. That already gives them access to faster mining and wealth accumulation than we ever had at the same 'elapsed time' after starting the game.... Patience is a significant part of this game, Slothe.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.05.26 22:54:00 - [4] Originally by: slothe bearing in mind most mining is by newer players- isnt this just a hinderance to developing players? Not really - developing players use basic drones. Harvesters, need I remind anyone, are "the best mining drones money can buy" - now, how much is a basic weapon (civ light electron blaster) compared to "the best hybrid weapon money can buy" (425mm Prototype railgun)? 2 mill's not that expensive. They can mine that much in less than a day, if you let them loose on dark ochre. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
W1rlW1nd	Posted - 2004.05.26 22:56:00 - [5] OMG, no one, needs harvesters to mine they are rich toys only. your don't even need basics to mine, much better to use combat drones. protect yourself as you mine with both miner1's is better for noobs.
Synex	Posted - 2004.05.26 23:21:00 - [6] Looks at his pile of 67 Harvester Drones... mua ha HA HA!!!
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.05.26 23:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Synex Looks at his pile of 67 Harvester Drones... mua ha HA HA!!! DAMN YOU!!! On a side note, wait until someone gets a standard or improved mining drone BP from a research agent, everyone who fought for the more "popular" fields will be kicking themselves in their asses once they start selling drones for 500k a pop. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.05.26 23:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Synex Looks at his pile of 67 Harvester Drones... mua ha HA HA!!! If you admit the existence of such a big pile, the shortage no longer exists, and they're not worth 2 mill. Economics don't work like that _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
p0ma	Posted - 2004.05.26 23:56:00 - [9] 1 Harvester Drone: 2,000,000 isk 2 Arkonor = 30,000 isk 2,000,000/30,000 = 66(minutes) If you can manage to keep that harvester alive mining arkonor for a mere 66 minutes you will have paid it off. Another 66 minutes later that harvester drone will have earned you 2 million isk. 2 million isk that cannot be made without mining Arkonor/Bistot/Crokite and those are only mineable with harvesters. Your average Cruiser/BattleShip BluePrint costs WAY more than 2 mil, and takes WAY longer to 'pay itself off'. I saw once that someone made a chart for every ore type in relevance to 'paying off' a harvester, I think even Veldspar is a somewhat decent time frame as far as payoff. I've lost maybe 3 or 4 harvies in the last 7 months of mining once every 2 weeks. Be grateful Harvy retailers are not asking for 3 mil(which I have actually sold dozens for 3 mil per in Deep Space arkonor Areas). Good Day ---------------------------------------- "Cry Exploit and let slip the Dogs of War"
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.05.26 23:59:00 - [10] maybe its time to offload the 100 items i have, provided by an convoy long time ago So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.05.27 00:00:00 - [11] there was discussion of there being a Harvester BPO or two in existance... most people saying there was not, but one person swearing six ways from sunday that he saw it. and on escrow I just saw a pile of 50 harv's for 100 mill... and on the inspect window it DID actually show 50 harvester mining drones... and there was like 2 piles of 50, and one of 25 or something. how scarce are these things, really? ::suspects a DeBeers like Harvester Mining drone cartel:: ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Heritor	Posted - 2004.05.27 00:01:00 - [12] I remember having litarally 1000's of things and selling them for 35k each :(
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.05.27 00:22:00 - [13] their rarety seems to be severely overstated. and btw, basic drones do actually mine the rarer ores as well, just not ark or crock afaik.
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2004.05.27 01:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Synex Looks at his pile of 67 Harvester Drones... mua ha HA HA!!! i thought all big members gave up their items and isk to big and didnt have personal wealth... so either those 67 are yours and you shouldnt be telling us you have them or they are bigs and you aint got jack STAN FACTA NON VERBA
Tesk Malloc	Posted - 2004.05.27 01:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Bohr Harvester prices cough are seriously inflated cough due to them not dropping cough. Apparently cough they are still in rich cough ..abundance in the trade cough ..channel. Go cough ..buy them while they cough ..last, tho cough-cough have been around since they supposedly cough ..stopped dropping in november. Seriously man, drink some Tixylix Tesk Malloc - Hired Scum, Murderer and All Round Nasty Piece Of Work "You can't love life too much. Everybody dies."
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.05.27 01:37:00 - [16] WTS 300 harvesters @ 2mil each _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Origim	Posted - 2004.05.27 01:59:00 - [17] Edited by: Origim on 27/05/2004 02:07:34 Edited by: Origim on 27/05/2004 02:04:59 Edited by: Origim on 27/05/2004 02:03:12 You all complain about the prices of Harvies, yet you all go "WTS Harvies @ 2 mil each" yourselves. Just consider the fact that only mid-new players use Harvies. Veterans can mine Ark that yeilds insane profit, and newbies can't afford them... the rest buy Harvies in bulk as an investement item. EDIT: it's time I went combat. Had 2 days left on Drones V (wanted to buy 4 more harvies), but 2 each mil is insane. EDIT: corrections. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
MooKids	Posted - 2004.05.27 02:01:00 - [18] Now what I want to see is an Advanced or Improved Mining Drone, those are even rarer. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Origim	Posted - 2004.05.27 02:06:00 - [19] Originally by: MooKids Now what I want to see is an Advanced or Improved Mining Drone, those are even rarer. I believe there will be a level based system for Drones: Basic: 10 M^3 Improved: 15 M^3 Advanced: 20 M^3 Elite: 30 M^3 (I'm certain about the last one, as I saw it on an escrow for 500 mil) Harvies: 30 M^3 -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Styrmir	Posted - 2004.05.27 02:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Bohr Harvester prices cough are seriously inflated cough due to them not dropping cough. Apparently cough they are still in rich cough ..abundance in the trade cough ..channel. Go cough ..buy them while they cough ..last, tho cough-cough have been around since they supposedly cough ..stopped dropping in november. You really should get something for that cold of yours Founder and Manager of The Misneden Shuttle Museum
MooKids	Posted - 2004.05.27 02:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Origim Originally by: MooKids Now what I want to see is an Advanced or Improved Mining Drone, those are even rarer. I believe there will be a level based system for Drones: Basic: 10 M^3 Improved: 15 M^3 Advanced: 20 M^3 Elite: 30 M^3 (I'm certain about the last one, as I saw it on an escrow for 500 mil) Harvies: 30 M^3 I'm confused about what you mean by a "level based system." Besides, as it is right now, Basic is 10, Standard is 15, Improved is 20, Advanced is 25, Elite and Harvesters are 30. As for Standard, Improved, Advanced and Elite, they are no longer viable to use as mining drones, they are merely collectors items at this point. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.05.27 06:06:00 - [22] why aren't they "viable" anymore? do BPO's exist for those mid-level ones? have they ever existed? ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
hatchette	Posted - 2004.05.27 07:46:00 - [23] I remember someone selling 10 elite mining drones about 2 months ago for 2mil each. Too bad i didn't bought them at the time:/
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.05.27 08:14:00 - [24] I've been wondering... For a long time, people sold Harvies in small quantities, say 2-10. These were the ones people had left over from last summer I guess. Suddenly, about two or three weeks ago people started auctioning huge batches, 50-100 of them in the Trade folder. Something tells me they're dropping again somewhere... Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Synex	Posted - 2004.05.27 08:32:00 - [25] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Originally by: Synex Looks at his pile of 67 Harvester Drones... mua ha HA HA!!! i thought all big members gave up their items and isk to big and didnt have personal wealth... so either those 67 are yours and you shouldnt be telling us you have them or they are bigs and you aint got jack I recently inherited them from a friend who has just left the game, and I haven't had time to transport them out to Fountain yet... which I will be doing in an unmarked Iteron V, at exactly 15:00 on the 1st June, travelling through PF-346... But shhh... don't tell anyone I'm taking that route!
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2004.05.27 09:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Totty Why??? Noobs already have it much easier than veterans did at the same start of the game, especially if they have any sense and get stuck in with the right corp. Look how quickly some noobs get into a battleship compared to those of us who had to wait months for them to be introduced, for example. That already gives them access to faster mining and wealth accumulation than we ever had at the same 'elapsed time' after starting the game.... Patience is a significant part of this game, Slothe. I have to say, I kinda agree with you, I'm a semi-nOOb, Just 14% according to a recent thread! 28 days of playing. Now I was introduced to Eve by a RL mate and so I joined his corp and went to work. Because of this, I have can get good cover in 0.0, I run 4 cruisers, no idea how many Frigs, I can make 5/6 mill if i'm not really putting my back into it in 1.0 a night easy (no flaming about ths please I generally don't mine 1.0, it's just if a do I can still make good cash doing very little) and my Mega is already waiting for me... just need the skills, which i will have in 10-15 days. My buddy however who has been play maybe 7 or 8 months only got his Mega (his first BS) A month or so ago. Now alot of this is cos of the help i've had from the corp, the advise about skills and set ups adn of course cover when mining. I'm not sure but that does seem quick to me! (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Xelios	Posted - 2004.05.27 09:27:00 - [27] And to think I sold my stash of 1100 for 700k each... Little did I know 'The harvester bp will be released Soon' meant 'The harvester bp will be released in a few months'.
FZappa	Posted - 2004.05.27 10:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Origim Elite: 30 M^3 i think elites take less room then harvs , i got 5 of those stashes somewhere :) -------------------------
Earthan	Posted - 2004.05.27 11:23:00 - [29] Edited by: Earthan on 27/05/2004 11:24:56 Yea CCP you took away harvesters drop , please dont make look stupid all those that trained drones and mining drones , please introduce at least something better then basic mining drones, adv. mining drones or something. It cant be that hard , we desperately need something better then basic drones , the basic cant even mine high end ore like crock or bistot. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
ErrorS	Posted - 2004.05.27 11:24:00 - [30] there has to be a BPO for these things.. or maybe something is dropping them again? when i first joined up noone was selling them, they were rare. Now it seems every other station i look at has harvesters for sale. They're for sale on ebay (they werent a month ago). People in trade channels selling them, etc. I'm still a newb but I hadn't saw a single person wanting to sell them 2 weeks after I joined. I bought 2 the FIRST time I saw someone selling some. Now it seems like everyone has them to sell. I sold mine once I realised what was going on. I would bet every dime that I have that there is a new source of harvester mining drones. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Athene	Posted - 2004.05.27 11:49:00 - [31] here
Earthan	Posted - 2004.05.27 11:53:00 - [32] No offence athene , but we would like to see mining drones at reasonable prices. 2 milions for a harvester , even when mining crock, is long time to pay back, especcailly athat you get to loose one from time to time. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Henka	Posted - 2004.05.27 14:32:00 - [33] well, they do drop. some dude sold them for 500k each, he said they dropp from tradesmens going TO stations in amarr space (he didnt specify what region). I bet they drop there, havent had time checking that ouy..
Bohr	Posted - 2004.05.27 15:38:00 - [34] Edited by: Bohr on 27/05/2004 15:57:27 Edited by: Bohr on 27/05/2004 15:42:53 Originally by: Henka well, they do drop. some dude sold them for 500k each, he said they dropp from tradesmens going TO stations in amarr space (he didnt specify what region). I bet they drop there, havent had time checking that ouy.. Well.. they stopped dropping twice, and the matter of a harvie BPO. Think it's safe to say they still drop. Tho buyers, not the ones watching prices, can act like a flock of sheep at times :P Anyway.. Mining a harvie at 2mil back with: Crokite: Should be done in an hour effective mining. You'd have to scoop several times at each rat spawn and risk is high as spawns sometimes happen 2-3kms from you, meaning harvie death. Hemorphite: About 9 hours, still, effective mining. Possible to mine with in 0.1-0.2, but expect losses and you'll have to use a dom or similar to have enough drones for defense. Omber: About 24 hours. Is easier cause you can do with one or 2 ogres protecting the harvies with range and no need to scoop. Effective mining: Meaning you can mine undisturbed, found a sweet spot with juicy roids within 1-2 kms of your ship, no ctds and rats are friendly and never comes close to you, so you never have to scoop. I could be wrong in my calculations, if so please tell me. Editted for spelling and a single miscalculation.
Ezra	Posted - 2004.05.27 18:53:00 - [35] Edited by: Ezra on 27/05/2004 18:58:40 Originally by: Kel Shek there was discussion of there being a Harvester BPO or two in existance... most people saying there was not, but one person swearing six ways from sunday that he saw it. and on escrow I just saw a pile of 50 harv's for 100 mill... and on the inspect window it DID actually show 50 harvester mining drones... and there was like 2 piles of 50, and one of 25 or something. how scarce are these things, really? ::suspects a DeBeers like Harvester Mining drone cartel:: There used to be thousands and thousands of them. They dropped 1000 units at a time, but the drops were nerfed and it's been 7-8 months since ANY new Harvesters were put into the game. There are a few people still with large stock (I have 400 I'm saving for a rainy day, at one point I was selling them in batches of 500 when they dropped in large quantities), but as people's supply runs out, the price goes up because there is no new supply. Once a harvester is destroyed, it is gone FOREVER. I once got one as an agent reward, but that was in the time immediately after Castor's release, agent rewards were nerfed significantly in value within a week of that. I've heard a slight rumor that they drop rarely off of rats in Geminate, but I cannot confirm that, if they do drop they are so rare that if that were the only supply, harvs would be 10-20mill each. As to convoys - It has been many months since anyone saw a convoy ship drop anything other than normal market loot. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.05.27 21:12:00 - [36] hang on, what's a n00b need with harvesters?? Might as well give them Miner IIs straight off too Realize that a lot of folks out there CONTINUE TO MINE... some, even as a PRIMARY INCOME! I know, it's shocking and hard to picture for many of us forum whor^H^H^H^H regulars. But for those folks, shouldn't they be allowed to have a chain of progression too, something shinier and glitzier to outfit their Dominix with? won't someone please think about the children You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.

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