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Chadley Bradley Gallente aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:06:00 - [1] Often times, I'm feeling like there are two separate spheres to EVE for me: the making ISK sphere and the spending ISK sphere. For example, what I like to do right now is the factional warfare stuff. Unfortunately, there's not much money in that, so what happens is to do what I WANT to do, I have to spend lots of time doing what I DON'T want to do. And I'm not saying there's necessarily something wrong with that, but to me, this GAME is supposed to be leisure. I don't want to come home from work and find I need to spend another few hours making virtual money, so THEN (finally) I can have some fun. It's a giant turn-off that I've been feeling lately, and I wanted to know exactly what I could do about it or if I'm just hosed... I look forward to your sympathy, advice or I'm-a-hard-ass comments. Thanks! -Chadley
kryptteacher	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:09:00 - [2] how are you making your isk out of curiosity?
Aria Seniste	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:09:00 - [3] Agree completely. Unfortunately, a working economy (and ship loss) is core to what makes EVE.. well, EVE. It's interesting on the long term. Without the need to make ISK to replace ships, the need for economic power.. the game would turn into little bursts of space based counter strike. Meaningless, consequence free pewpew. Unfortunately, PVP isn't profitable (usually a loss on the long term), unless you spend your time ganking carebears and cloaking/running from anything risky. Which, frankly, is just as dull as the grind for isk through "legit" means.
Khatred ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:27:00 - [4] It does. Now if I can only convice CCP to let me sell my isk, I'd make a better income than most jobs
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:28:00 - [5] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 25/07/2008 03:29:31 If you aren't looking for Unreal Tournament In Space you will likely find at least one game mechanic which you enjoy which makes you money. If you are only involved in or only enjoy one side of things, the game you are playing is very small and limited compared to the game I am playing. If you really do only want UT in Space, that's fine, but your disinterest in all the other aspects of the game is inevitably going to hurt you, and I do not think there is a way around it. To answer your question more directly: (Insert money-making activity) does not feel any more like a second job to me than being a mayor in Sim City does. - DesuSigs
Schani Kratnorr x13	Posted - 2008.07.25 03:42:00 - [6] I have two accounts, so it's a 2nd and 3rd job for me
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:18:00 - [7] Whenever that happens with a game, it is time to take a break. It's the reason I've quit some other MMOs.
Master Spoonman FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:18:00 - [8] Thanks for this thread. It reminded me I have to empty my mining pos. *** Special thanks to Zurtur to making this signature for me
Zurrar Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:19:00 - [9] i make my iskies off loot from kills, i have a TON of modules i should put on market... Originally by: Malcanis CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Fencer Acrux	Posted - 2008.07.25 04:35:00 - [10] Yes, it is like a 2nd job to me too! I'm a trader, and to be good at it, I have to keep good records. When I do a buying run to Rens or Jita, I typically spend between 400 mill up to a bill or more. I have to write down what I need in low-sec and and 0.0, along with the going price there. Then, as I buy it, I have to record how much I paid for it (Don't want to buy anything I cannot sell for a profit). I usually fill at least 4 or 5 legal pad pages with this information. Then, when I get to the system I'm selling in, I have to consult that list to know how much I can sell it for and make a profit. Its a lot of work, but I am one of the richest players in my alliance because of this attention to detail. The nice thing however, is that I may spend a day or two buying and moving items, but once on the market, its very easy to maintain. and isk flows into my account in small and large amounts. I adjust prices weekly to account for poor sales, competition, plus the occasional sold-out item, but basically, I PvP for 30 days for every buying run I make. BTW, I have perfect trade skills to maximize my profit, and other industrial skills are perfect where it counts the most. Trading rocks, but it is another job, just one that I don't hate as much as my real job!
Chadley Bradley Gallente aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.07.25 05:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Chadley Bradley on 25/07/2008 05:22:15 Edited by: Chadley Bradley on 25/07/2008 05:20:06 Yeah maybe that's just the problem... To answer that question up there, to make ISK I've been mission-running and TRYING to get into trade. I made a cool 100 mil from trading, but it was so slow that I found out if I had focused on missions instead, I could have reached that in less than a week (as opposed to the month I spent carting ammo around for a higher price). And upon finding this out, the depression set in because trading is probably the most interesting business in the game to me, but it's incredibly difficult and I lack the capital and/or brains to succeed at it. So what I've got to show for it all is a 3-month-old character with little more than trade skills, some mediocre fighting skills for tackling in FW, a buttload of ammo spread across the Gallente space and a dwindling pocket book. Any ideas on where to go from here? -Chadley
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.07.25 07:12:00 - [12] It has at times. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.25 07:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Chadley Bradley Edited by: Chadley Bradley on 25/07/2008 05:22:15 Edited by: Chadley Bradley on 25/07/2008 05:20:06 Yeah maybe that's just the problem... To answer that question up there, to make ISK I've been mission-running and TRYING to get into trade. I made a cool 100 mil from trading, but it was so slow that I found out if I had focused on missions instead, I could have reached that in less than a week (as opposed to the month I spent carting ammo around for a higher price). And upon finding this out, the depression set in because trading is probably the most interesting business in the game to me, but it's incredibly difficult and I lack the capital and/or brains to succeed at it. So what I've got to show for it all is a 3-month-old character with little more than trade skills, some mediocre fighting skills for tackling in FW, a buttload of ammo spread across the Gallente space and a dwindling pocket book. Any ideas on where to go from here? -Chadley I recommend getting a more efficient means of hauling and as you make more money upgrade to higher profit items. Ammo is entry-level, with 100m you can upgrade a little bit to something better.
Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.07.25 08:00:00 - [14] ISK is a means to an end. I like to mine because it is less time intensive as ratting or mission running, it is much easier to utilise multiple accounts while mining than any other way to make money. At the end of the day, money is just a means to an end. What do you enjoy doing and how much do you need to do what you enjoy doing. You need to have the cost element otherwise there would be no pain for losses and without pain you could just noob grenade by just throwing ridiculous numbers in with no real consequence. Making isk does seem like a second job, but you would lack real consequences if losing ships wasn't painful and that would make EVE less challenging and less addictive. If it was like WoW where failure costs next to nothing then I would lose interest fast.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.25 08:17:00 - [15] Depends what you do really. Fly around in expensive HACs all the time and lose 150-200mil every time you pop and you've got a lot of ISK to make back; fly around in insurable BCs and you don't. If EVE feels like a job then you're doing it wrong ...
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.07.25 08:20:00 - [16] POSs is my thing. . .and its is a second job. . . ---- GO BLUE!!
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.25 08:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Khatred It does. Now if I can only convice CCP to let me sell my isk, I'd make a better income than most jobs
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.25 08:39:00 - [18] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 25/07/2008 08:41:18 Originally by: Chadley Bradley Often times, I'm feeling like there are two separate spheres to EVE for me: the making ISK sphere and the spending ISK sphere. For example, what I like to do right now is the factional warfare stuff. Unfortunately, there's not much money in that, so what happens is to do what I WANT to do, I have to spend lots of time doing what I DON'T want to do. And I'm not saying there's necessarily something wrong with that, but to me, this GAME is supposed to be leisure. I don't want to come home from work and find I need to spend another few hours making virtual money, so THEN (finally) I can have some fun. It's a giant turn-off that I've been feeling lately, and I wanted to know exactly what I could do about it or if I'm just hosed... I look forward to your sympathy, advice or I'm-a-hard-ass comments. Thanks! -Chadley Sell GTCs if you're fed up with ISK-making activies, some poor student will do it for you then. Personally, I'm a pirate so I make ISK and have fun at the same time, but blob-fights and continously fighting PvP-fit opponents only is going to lead to very very little income. Ganking a fair number of haulers/etc/etc (and ransoming some targets instead of just blowing them up!) provides the actual income. Also, look at your ship fitting and ways you can make it provide more bang for (lower) buck. Premium insurance is your friend, T2 ships unless you really really know what you're doing aren't your friend. Minimum firepower to take down a target without losses is ideal, as loot gets split less ways. Ransoming the pods is a nice way to make a few extra bucks, ransoming the ships even better. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
testalt01	Posted - 2008.07.25 08:45:00 - [19] no doesn't feel like a job to me i actually like making isk in EVE, it is part of the game for me ... made over 200 bil since i started playing and that has been keeping me in ships for a while now ... i have to restrain myself from making any more ISK actually
Ackuula	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:07:00 - [20] Sorry can't talk right now, got to get back to work. I'm 12 jumps out from Jita and only 15 minutes left on my RL lunch break.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Chadley Bradley Often times, I'm feeling like there are two separate spheres to EVE for me: the making ISK sphere and the spending ISK sphere. For example, what I like to do right now is the factional warfare stuff. Unfortunately, there's not much money in that, so what happens is to do what I WANT to do, I have to spend lots of time doing what I DON'T want to do. And I'm not saying there's necessarily something wrong with that, but to me, this GAME is supposed to be leisure. I don't want to come home from work and find I need to spend another few hours making virtual money, so THEN (finally) I can have some fun. It's a giant turn-off that I've been feeling lately, and I wanted to know exactly what I could do about it or if I'm just hosed... I look forward to your sympathy, advice or I'm-a-hard-ass comments. Thanks! -Chadley Faction warfare is pretty cheap. 1 evening of solid L4 missioning should easily pay for a week for FW. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.25 11:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky POSs is my thing. . .and its is a second job. . . I've done the corp management / POS thing and I'm not doing it again unless I get paid. And by that I mean in real life. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.07.25 12:15:00 - [23] OF course theres going to be "work" involved with the permanent loss involved in the game. You just need to work on finding the most efficient way of making isk. spend a few days a week doing that then the rest in FW having fun.
Ghengis Tia Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:30:00 - [24] The mechanics of being a successful trader can be tedious. I took a 3 month sidetrack into trading shortly after I started playing Eve. Many,many trips to Jita and hours poring over the market screen researching prices. I put aside certain days of the week to concentrate on that, saving weekends for missions, etc. I wish I could have the same intensity chasing money in RL, but I don't. There isn't any stuff I want in RL as much as I wanted a battlecruiser or fancy mods as in Eve. I just mission and mine now to keep up my stash, as trading can indeed feel like a second job. But for awhile, it was great fun watching that Isk pile up.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:32:00 - [25] 2nd job, more like my life -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Randibuggah	Posted - 2008.07.25 14:53:00 - [26] I'd have to agree with this thread..... Granted the making of isk / ship loss is indeed what makes Eve... Eve..but the feedback I've been hearing from many corp mates AND those who have left the game is much the same. They love the game, but it turns into a "second job" the necessity of funding your "fun" can turn the game into a huge time sink. This has caused quite a few people to drop out because they can't afford to spend the hours necessary to have their "fun". Ah well, I don't think there will ever be any move on CCP's part to look into this growing issue, not until they have incontrovertable proof that it's affecting the player base. But, I know it has caused a great many people to leave due to the "burn out" factor.... never a good thing for any MMO. Just my 2 isk worth anyway..
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky POSs is my thing. . .and its is a second job. . . I'm currently running a chain of POS and its feeling like a job. Originally by: Galliana Foresta And sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cos I wouldn't eat the filthy mother ****er.
Ordon Gundar Caldari Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.07.25 15:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Fencer Acrux Yes, it is like a 2nd job to me too! I'm a trader, and to be good at it, I have to keep good records. When I do a buying run to Rens or Jita, I typically spend between 400 mill up to a bill or more. I have to write down what I need in low-sec and and 0.0, along with the going price there. Then, as I buy it, I have to record how much I paid for it (Don't want to buy anything I cannot sell for a profit). I usually fill at least 4 or 5 legal pad pages with this information. Then, when I get to the system I'm selling in, I have to consult that list to know how much I can sell it for and make a profit. Its a lot of work, but I am one of the richest players in my alliance because of this attention to detail. The nice thing however, is that I may spend a day or two buying and moving items, but once on the market, its very easy to maintain. and isk flows into my account in small and large amounts. I adjust prices weekly to account for poor sales, competition, plus the occasional sold-out item, but basically, I PvP for 30 days for every buying run I make. BTW, I have perfect trade skills to maximize my profit, and other industrial skills are perfect where it counts the most. Trading rocks, but it is another job, just one that I don't hate as much as my real job! This is me ^^ but on a smaller scale at the moment. I tend to PvP when I am not hauling, and just monitor sales the rest of the time. But, to trade well means making a 2nd job of it..it is just part of the territory! Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.25 16:31:00 - [29] Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 25/07/2008 16:32:43 Yes, that's scandalous, how dare they to make pvp cost isk. Whenever you lose a ship you should wake up at some kind of space graveyard, then travel wih your ghost to the wreck of your ship and once there you get back your whole ship. This way you don't have to make ISK and can pvp all day ... err ... that's an awsome new idea and groundbreaking mmo-concept i should have asked money for

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