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Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:33:00 - [1] Originally by: Cutesmile Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Cutesmile Edited by: Cutesmile on 29/07/2008 11:02:16 Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Cutesmile Test on Sisi. A half skilled Drake blowing up a Vaga very fast. LOL 35millio isk 10m sp vs 200m isk and 30m sp Very logic. Fck up CCP Drake is an anti-cruiser platform You were in a cruiser go figure. Anticruiser what ? LOL use ur brain, see it the differences 35m isk vs 200m, 10m sp vs 30+m Anti support cruiser lol. BS tank is reality for Drake ? We need stacking for Shield extenders , shield rigs for Caldari, same like the speed modules. Thats would be real. NERF EVERYTHING. WTF KILLERNOOBSHIPS!!!! Idiots like u are the reason this terrible nerf too.... Not, Idiots like u are the reason this nerfs, who say it, this patch is fine, spamming missile for everyone. The stupid no brain users who cant anything just hit F1-F8 button. Passive tank realy good u say, lol seems like u cant use the armor reps or shield booster. Bravo brainless pilots.Your **ing idiotic ideas killing the game balance, and make it blob and lag. Ok so yeah... I tested this on sisi i cant say im happy tanked the vaga what crap :( missile spam FTW dont get me wrong i fly caldari too but as is Minm ships suck the only thing we had on our side was speed we are already out gunned and out tanked now the race compeletly sucks and its the hardest to train... you have effectivly killed the Vaga GJ CCP I'm just gonna sell it maybe I,ll just finish training caldari as all this game is for is all the ****ed noobs who wanna go straight to BS and not train..........
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.07.29 11:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Zarathushtra To balance something why do u need to take away things that many hold dear. I mean really how hard is it to see that speed doesnt give you any advantage in the end. People fly fast ship cause its fun. U can counter Vagas and stuff with Recons and neuting BS. How is it balanced when u counter everything with a drake? I cant understand who got the idea that something is wrong with the current game mechanics. What does it matter if your mission running CNR cant hit crows? Is it really unbalanced if 2 bil Machariel can outran u but throw a web in there and boom there goes 2 bil. And why o why does the AB need to be a viable option? Well lets shoot missiles and fly Ravens then. Great day to be Minmatar. EXACTLY .... now all our ships will be useless the might as well say that the Rapier is being nerfed too finally it was viable there wont be any need for it now cause let me tell ya im really gonna bother to pay a crap load of isk to catch some ceptors that btw dont go as fast as they do now either Im really ****ed about all the money i have spent on useless ships and riggs.....if you were gonna nerf it CCP why put it out there to begin with.....O and while yer nerfing everything eles dont forget the Boosters cant leave them out GJ should rename Caldari race Missiles FTW
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Abrynn on 31/07/2008 17:50:31 Edited by: Abrynn on 31/07/2008 17:49:08 Originally by: Demus DaVet As you can see, the CSM did actually recognize nanofits and speed in EVE as a major problem. That's propably why it's not even in the list. What's more, I can find at least 5 items on that list that can be fixed much more easily and speedily than the proposed atrocity that is the current speed nerf. However, the dev team probably reasoned that is better to waste time and programming power on a very controversial and radical change on the gameplay. I mean... why take 5 hours and spend it on making an overview that is playable by the colorblind ? Let's just devote this time into destroying gameplay for one a half factions and throw their ISK and training down the toilet. Have you ever asked yourselves why every Minmatar pilot you know flys either a vaga or a rapier 9 out of 10 times he undocks ? I mean yes, we are really happy to dish out a whole lot of 200ish dps on a target after about 6.5mil sp in gunnery, with our click finger in suspended animation to get the hell out as soon as anything approaches closer than 15k and we really enjoy being primaried in our flimsy Rapier. Do you honestly not understand that those two ships are the only Minnie ships that are not outgunned and outtanked and generaly outclassed by the respective ships of the other factions - at least when it comes down to what's needed in a gank ? Do you actually realize that minnie pilots take the trouble to train and get into a claymore just to give speed bonuses to the gang and for no other reason ? Edit. Oh, I forgot, we have the Sabre.... which, oh wonder!, it's nanoed for a reason. this affects your blasterboats too imagine your in you mega MWDing to a target your outta range of rep you they use a 9k scrammbler to turn off your MWD your stuck alone you go boom Not only that but Mini already have no good ships we have no damage no tank and track like ass we have less armor and less shields than any other race because we are suppost to be the fastest this nerf makes all of our ships useless. The tempest cant get anywere and the HACS/Recons are shit no speed for the vaga and they tank like ass not to mention they are nerfing the webs as well im really ****ed off about this whole thing not only do i have alot of money into my ships but training as well as its the only race i can fly and it will be nerfed to hell and back Mini is the hardest to train and will now be shit should just rename the damn game Nerf - online missle spam FTW
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.07.31 17:47:00 - [4] Edited by: Abrynn on 31/07/2008 17:50:31 Edited by: Abrynn on 31/07/2008 17:49:08 Originally by: Demus DaVet As you can see, the CSM did actually recognize nanofits and speed in EVE as a major problem. That's propably why it's not even in the list. What's more, I can find at least 5 items on that list that can be fixed much more easily and speedily than the proposed atrocity that is the current speed nerf. However, the dev team probably reasoned that is better to waste time and programming power on a very controversial and radical change on the gameplay. I mean... why take 5 hours and spend it on making an overview that is playable by the colorblind ? Let's just devote this time into destroying gameplay for one a half factions and throw their ISK and training down the toilet. Have you ever asked yourselves why every Minmatar pilot you know flys either a vaga or a rapier 9 out of 10 times he undocks ? I mean yes, we are really happy to dish out a whole lot of 200ish dps on a target after about 6.5mil sp in gunnery, with our click finger in suspended animation to get the hell out as soon as anything approaches closer than 15k and we really enjoy being primaried in our flimsy Rapier. Do you honestly not understand that those two ships are the only Minnie ships that are not outgunned and outtanked and generaly outclassed by the respective ships of the other factions - at least when it comes down to what's needed in a gank ? Do you actually realize that minnie pilots take the trouble to train and get into a claymore just to give speed bonuses to the gang and for no other reason ? Edit. Oh, I forgot, we have the Sabre.... which, oh wonder!, it's nanoed for a reason. this affects your blasterboats too imagine your in you mega MWDing to a target your outta range of rep you they use a 9k scrammbler to turn off your MWD your stuck alone you go boom Not only that but Mini already have no good ships we have no damage no tank and track like ass we have less armor and less shields than any other race because we are suppost to be the fastest this nerf makes all of our ships useless. The tempest cant get anywere and the HACS/Recons are shit no speed for the vaga and they tank like ass not to mention they are nerfing the webs as well im really ****ed off about this whole thing not only do i have alot of money into my ships but training as well as its the only race i can fly and it will be nerfed to hell and back Mini is the hardest to train and will now be shit should just rename the damn game Nerf - online missle spam FTW
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Malachon Draco Edited by: Malachon Draco on 31/07/2008 14:00:10 Edited by: Malachon Draco on 31/07/2008 13:58:50 Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Malachon Draco Have you actually tested the changes? How sure are you that there still is a niche for nanoships? I tried the famous Vaga vs. Drake encounter..... The Vaga could not kill the Drake (neither should it be able to, being a cruiser vs. a battlecruiser). The Vaga took relatively little damage to heavy T2 missiles (speed tanking worked) and had no problem running away when it took too much. The Drake could only kill the Vaga if the Vaga pilot decided to stay until he was dead. Ie. it worked exactly as it should when a fast cruiser comes up against a battlecruiser. If one of them had had help, for example another HAC helping the Vaga, or a tackler helping the Drake, it would have turned out differently. Speed tanking worked for the smaller ship, but it didn't confer invulnerability. This is of.c. not what you want, but it IS balanced! How realistic is it to draw conclusions about balance on the basis of a single 1v1 encounter in a game where there is 40k+ people on a server who could potentially jump in to fight? To add, how would this encounter have ended on TQ today? Exactly the same I bet. A Drake can easily permatank a Vaga. He might do less damage to the Vaga, but the vaga could never pop him. Since the vaga cannot permarun its MWD in any normal nanosetup, the Drake would start damaging him once the MWD ran out. Its called a cap booster and the point is not to kill the drake the point was if need be we can simply disengage and after this nerf we are simply dead end of story
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Malachon Draco Edited by: Malachon Draco on 31/07/2008 14:00:10 Edited by: Malachon Draco on 31/07/2008 13:58:50 Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Malachon Draco Have you actually tested the changes? How sure are you that there still is a niche for nanoships? I tried the famous Vaga vs. Drake encounter..... The Vaga could not kill the Drake (neither should it be able to, being a cruiser vs. a battlecruiser). The Vaga took relatively little damage to heavy T2 missiles (speed tanking worked) and had no problem running away when it took too much. The Drake could only kill the Vaga if the Vaga pilot decided to stay until he was dead. Ie. it worked exactly as it should when a fast cruiser comes up against a battlecruiser. If one of them had had help, for example another HAC helping the Vaga, or a tackler helping the Drake, it would have turned out differently. Speed tanking worked for the smaller ship, but it didn't confer invulnerability. This is of.c. not what you want, but it IS balanced! How realistic is it to draw conclusions about balance on the basis of a single 1v1 encounter in a game where there is 40k+ people on a server who could potentially jump in to fight? To add, how would this encounter have ended on TQ today? Exactly the same I bet. A Drake can easily permatank a Vaga. He might do less damage to the Vaga, but the vaga could never pop him. Since the vaga cannot permarun its MWD in any normal nanosetup, the Drake would start damaging him once the MWD ran out. Its called a cap booster and the point is not to kill the drake the point was if need be we can simply disengage and after this nerf we are simply dead end of story
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Vitrael I've done a bit more testing on Sisi: 1. Cruise missiles and large pulse lasers now easily destroy nano HACs and Recons. 2. Medium pulse lasers and heavy missiles now make interceptors go squish. 3. Even the slowest light drones now have no problems with nanoships. 4. No clear advantage of HAC over BC. 5. No clear advantage of HAC or BC over BS. 6. Minmatar battleships less agile than Caldari battleships. All of these are - at least in my mind - glaring errors. You forgot the fact that we have no damage and we tank like ass even with over 6.5 mill in gunnery so major major issues
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Vitrael I've done a bit more testing on Sisi: 1. Cruise missiles and large pulse lasers now easily destroy nano HACs and Recons. 2. Medium pulse lasers and heavy missiles now make interceptors go squish. 3. Even the slowest light drones now have no problems with nanoships. 4. No clear advantage of HAC over BC. 5. No clear advantage of HAC or BC over BS. 6. Minmatar battleships less agile than Caldari battleships. All of these are - at least in my mind - glaring errors. You forgot the fact that we have no damage and we tank like ass even with over 6.5 mill in gunnery so major major issues
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.01 03:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Abrynn on 01/08/2008 04:00:48 Edited by: Abrynn on 01/08/2008 03:41:21 Ok so i here lots of blah blah but if you guys havent noticed CCP is trying to bury this dev blog However i have to say im still really annoyed at the ****ed noobs/caldari pilots because 1. caldari ones complaining you have the easiest race in the game u dont need to worry about transversal velocity or managing cap exept to run your booster just f1 - f8 and sit there so nuthin from u 2. noobs do some skill training and then we will talk i have tried tanking the vaga its garbage nuthin compaired to a zealot/ishtar ect. If you wanna complain about nano gangs instead of flying that t1 BS how about you train up so u can fly sumthing that might be able to counter them. Asbo's are amazing as are zealots. Nano ships can only go after certain ships. So I'm still trying to figure out why everyone complains so much if you dont like it SKILL UP to fix it the fact that CCP has forgotten that its the higher skill based ppl that have kept this game going es me off as a matter of fact im starting to feel like this nerf online game isnt worth the money i pay every month and i know alot of other mini pilots feel the same. and before u noobs start going off im an all t2 pilot have bs 5 blah blah blah starting cap training i have 2 1/2 yrs into this game add up the RL money thats $809 not including computers and time invested in training/isk so yeah i think i have a right to be **ed this is my race being nerfed and if you guys payed any attention you would notice its gonna affect all races exept the caldari missile spam which btw is the most played race. ok im done on my rant for now but this is the crapiest idea yet CCP i hope you havent forgotten who pays your bills - Cause its the players that have been here a long time that have kept this going and made it possible for the noobs to be here in the first place.......... EDIT - O yeah i also wanted to add there is more to being a good nano pilot than point and click there's alot of micro management cause in a vaga with your MWD on you arent hitting shit cause they track like ass and lets not for get cap issues yes folks if your running a MWD you have cap issues OMG RTFM - I know lots of ppl that get into nano's of any race and die so its not as easy as it looks - and lets not just talk about Mini ships cause this affects all races that use an MWD including BS's EDIT- and another thing if you dont even know how to get on the test server then dont bother posting about shit you have no clue about
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.01 03:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Abrynn on 01/08/2008 04:00:48 Edited by: Abrynn on 01/08/2008 03:41:21 Ok so i here lots of blah blah but if you guys havent noticed CCP is trying to bury this dev blog However i have to say im still really annoyed at the ****ed noobs/caldari pilots because 1. caldari ones complaining you have the easiest race in the game u dont need to worry about transversal velocity or managing cap exept to run your booster just f1 - f8 and sit there so nuthin from u 2. noobs do some skill training and then we will talk i have tried tanking the vaga its garbage nuthin compaired to a zealot/ishtar ect. If you wanna complain about nano gangs instead of flying that t1 BS how about you train up so u can fly sumthing that might be able to counter them. Asbo's are amazing as are zealots. Nano ships can only go after certain ships. So I'm still trying to figure out why everyone complains so much if you dont like it SKILL UP to fix it the fact that CCP has forgotten that its the higher skill based ppl that have kept this game going es me off as a matter of fact im starting to feel like this nerf online game isnt worth the money i pay every month and i know alot of other mini pilots feel the same. and before u noobs start going off im an all t2 pilot have bs 5 blah blah blah starting cap training i have 2 1/2 yrs into this game add up the RL money thats $809 not including computers and time invested in training/isk so yeah i think i have a right to be **ed this is my race being nerfed and if you guys payed any attention you would notice its gonna affect all races exept the caldari missile spam which btw is the most played race. ok im done on my rant for now but this is the crapiest idea yet CCP i hope you havent forgotten who pays your bills - Cause its the players that have been here a long time that have kept this going and made it possible for the noobs to be here in the first place.......... EDIT - O yeah i also wanted to add there is more to being a good nano pilot than point and click there's alot of micro management cause in a vaga with your MWD on you arent hitting shit cause they track like ass and lets not for get cap issues yes folks if your running a MWD you have cap issues OMG RTFM - I know lots of ppl that get into nano's of any race and die so its not as easy as it looks - and lets not just talk about Mini ships cause this affects all races that use an MWD including BS's EDIT- and another thing if you dont even know how to get on the test server then dont bother posting about shit you have no clue about

Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:16:00 - [11] All i gotta say is after you nerf my best PvPer i sure hope you make some of my ships better .... did anyone everthink that maybe the reason Mini's always undock in a HAC/Recon is because they are the best ships mini's have ... and while we are at it have any of you ever noticed that mini ships have less armor and shields of any race because its suppost to be the fastest race? Hensforth the ducktape comments there is a reason ppl say that. Besides time, isk and rl there are other reasons this is a ******ed move it affects all of eve. Its all nano mods so that affects t2 invention, ships (look more t2 invention/ building) cause ppl arent gonna buy them, MWD's cause well tbh these will drop too, lets not forget the webs that just dont seem to work in sisi they wont sell either.So whats this,lets point out that the market is gonna crash not only for the ppl doing invention/building but for the ppl who make the t2 components / and riggs!!! It effects PvP as well as 4 races mini/gall/amarr/caldari because of the ability to web/scram is gonna be crap o yeah it will affect you missile spammers too because if your tanked proper you cant scramble/webb so think about that, this nerf is going to make PvP even more laggy and bloby cause to make up for the things they are nerfing there will be more ppl needed in gang so if you ppl think this is gonna make things better lol think again. This effects us all from industry to PvP from amarr to caldari if you dont believe me do some looking at things and ask indy ppl. Plus ppl always complain about Nano but the thing to think about is when u think of nano /ludacris speed did you ever think of if that ship was able to hit you going full speed? of course they cant exept the ishtar because of the drones and for the ones complaining about ppl running and being a nano pilot ive complained too and still do sometimes im not saying that there shouldnt be a speed nerf because i honestly think there should be but not like this ... this affects WAY WAY WAY too much at once there has to be a better way, You CCP guys better ask your economist about this and really think hard. For all you ppl that just wanna fight with each other back and forth this is stupid do me a favor all of you do you homework and actually think about it and you know CCP isnt paying attention to us anyways so whats the point, Can we adapt and adjust yes we can everyone can!! do we want to lose isk skill training time and just the plain all out time ive put into this game? time we have all put into this game? No we dont. Do i want to have to train another race do i think CCP should make me have to no! In the same manner no one wants to have to train sumthing they dont want to...so do me a favar and just think about things
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.01 19:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Abrynn on 01/08/2008 19:38:56 All i gotta say is after you nerf my best PvPer i sure hope you make some of my ships better .... did anyone everthink that maybe the reason Mini's always undock in a HAC/Recon is because they are the best ships mini's have ... and while we are at it have any of you ever noticed that mini ships have less armor and shields of any race because its suppost to be the fastest race? Hensforth the ducktape comments there is a reason ppl say that. Besides time, isk and rl there are other reasons this is a ******ed move it affects all of eve. Its all nano mods so that affects t2 invention, ships (look more t2 invention/ building) cause ppl arent gonna buy them, MWD's cause well tbh these will drop too, lets not forget the webs that just dont seem to work in sisi they wont sell either.So whats this,lets point out that the market is gonna crash not only for the ppl doing invention/building but for the ppl who make the t2 components / and riggs!!! It effects PvP as well as 4 races mini/gall/amarr/caldari because of the ability to web/scram is gonna be crap o yeah it will affect you missile spammers too because if your tanked proper you cant scramble/webb so think about that, this nerf is going to make PvP even more laggy and bloby cause to make up for the things they are nerfing there will be more ppl needed in gang so if you ppl think this is gonna make things better lol think again. This effects us all from industry to PvP from amarr to caldari if you dont believe me do some looking at things and ask indy ppl. Plus ppl always complain about Nano but the thing to think about is when u think of nano /ludacris speed did you ever think of if that ship was able to hit you going full speed? of course they cant exept the ishtar because of the drones and for the ones complaining about ppl running and being a nano pilot ive complained too and still do sometimes im not saying that there shouldnt be a speed nerf because i honestly think there should be but not like this ... this affects WAY WAY WAY too much at once there has to be a better way, You CCP guys better ask your economist about this and really think hard. For all you ppl that just wanna fight with each other back and forth this is stupid do me a favor all of you do you homework and actually think about it and you know CCP isnt paying attention to us anyways so whats the point, Can we adapt and adjust yes we can everyone can!! do we want to lose isk skill training time and just the plain all out time ive put into this game? time we have all put into this game? No we dont. Do i want to have to train another race do i think CCP should make me have to no! In the same manner no one wants to have to train sumthing they dont want to...so do me a favar and just think about things EDIT : you guys should post here too btw http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=833782&page=1
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.03 01:44:00 - [13] everyone still neglects to remark on the fact of what this is going to do to minm invention and the market these are also valid points
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.03 01:44:00 - [14] everyone still neglects to remark on the fact of what this is going to do to minm invention and the market these are also valid points
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.04 19:35:00 - [15] its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so.... in any event i agree with you matari's are going to be ruined and almost all the HAC but like 3 are going to be shite not to mention what this will do to minm invention so.... there is alot more to think about besides just PvP, industry will be effected as well. I agree nano does need a change... but this is over doing it. Speed caps are the best way no super speeds if a ship can only go so fast / as for u noobs/carbears if you cant missle spam us cry about it and train like we did.
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.04 19:35:00 - [16] its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so.... in any event i agree with you matari's are going to be ruined and almost all the HAC but like 3 are going to be shite not to mention what this will do to minm invention so.... there is alot more to think about besides just PvP, industry will be effected as well. I agree nano does need a change... but this is over doing it. Speed caps are the best way no super speeds if a ship can only go so fast / as for u noobs/carbears if you cant missle spam us cry about it and train like we did.
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.04 20:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Doctor Mabuse Originally by: Abrynn its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so.... Yep, between my mains I can fly all four races HAC and recon. I can shield, armour and speed tank and use all the weapon systems and ECM. So I'm not really bothered what they nerf or boost because I'll just fly something else and fly in a different way. It's called adapting. When the next nerf hits I'll just change again. So your right, I have no clue whatsoever... so anything t2 there exept the ships LOL And i agree you little troll you have no clue so keep blabing. I have a caldari alt as well that this doesnt affect at all so who cares the point here is that this nerf is too big no ones saying that it doesnt need a nerf just saying this nerf effects too much. They are also making it a huge deal when it doesnt need to be its called a speed cap plain and simple bring everything in line due to its mass, this seems to be the best action
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.04 20:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Doctor Mabuse Originally by: Abrynn its ok red thunder he's just a noob who has no clue whats going on and has prolly never ever pvp'd because he's using an alt to post so.... Yep, between my mains I can fly all four races HAC and recon. I can shield, armour and speed tank and use all the weapon systems and ECM. So I'm not really bothered what they nerf or boost because I'll just fly something else and fly in a different way. It's called adapting. When the next nerf hits I'll just change again. So your right, I have no clue whatsoever... so anything t2 there exept the ships LOL And i agree you little troll you have no clue so keep blabing. I have a caldari alt as well that this doesnt affect at all so who cares the point here is that this nerf is too big no ones saying that it doesnt need a nerf just saying this nerf effects too much. They are also making it a huge deal when it doesnt need to be its called a speed cap plain and simple bring everything in line due to its mass, this seems to be the best action
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.06 09:01:00 - [19] Well they did a good job burying this post and a Dev hasnt commented since page 30 i think so...... can we get an answer here or at least a comment i dont even think the carrier nerf has this many pages
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.06 09:01:00 - [20] Well they did a good job burying this post and a Dev hasnt commented since page 30 i think so...... can we get an answer here or at least a comment i dont even think the carrier nerf has this many pages

Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.10 18:36:00 - [21] Edited by: Abrynn on 10/08/2008 18:38:40 Originally by: Patch86 What was it nano fans were fond of saying? "Adapt or die"? Yep, thats the one. A Battleship being able to out-pace a Frigate is and always will be ridiculous, and evidence of unintended game mechanics. Anyone who didn't see this fix coming must have been living in a dream world. Just because it was your favourite ship setup does not mean it was good for the game. you correct that is stupid but this nerf is also stupid....i agree a speed nerf is needed but not like this this nerfs alot of game mechanics not just one or 2 and a whole race...instead of all this crazy crap this Dev who has prolly never played the game wants to do (/me points to carrier nerf proposal) it simply takes a speed cap thats it your ship cant go no faster than whatever speed it should go due to mass .... no way should a BS be able to catch anything that isnt a BS totally agreed....
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.10 18:36:00 - [22] Edited by: Abrynn on 10/08/2008 18:38:40 Originally by: Patch86 What was it nano fans were fond of saying? "Adapt or die"? Yep, thats the one. A Battleship being able to out-pace a Frigate is and always will be ridiculous, and evidence of unintended game mechanics. Anyone who didn't see this fix coming must have been living in a dream world. Just because it was your favourite ship setup does not mean it was good for the game. you correct that is stupid but this nerf is also stupid....i agree a speed nerf is needed but not like this this nerfs alot of game mechanics not just one or 2 and a whole race...instead of all this crazy crap this Dev who has prolly never played the game wants to do (/me points to carrier nerf proposal) it simply takes a speed cap thats it your ship cant go no faster than whatever speed it should go due to mass .... no way should a BS be able to catch anything that isnt a BS totally agreed....
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.10 18:44:00 - [23] i just wanted to point this out this is the actual discription of the vaga ingame Hull: Stabber Class Role: Heavy Assault Ship The fastest cruiser invented to date, this vessel is ideal for hit-and-run ops where both speed and firepower are required. Its on-board power core may not be strong enough to handle some of the larger weapons out there, but when it comes to guerilla work, the Vagabond can't be beat. Developer: Thukker Mix Improving on the original Stabber design, Thukker Mix created the Vagabond as a cruiser-sized skirmish vessel equally suited to defending mobile installations and executing lightning strikes at their enemies. Honoring their tradition of building the fastest vessels to ply the spacelanes, they count the Vagabond as one of their crowning achievements. Minmatar Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to max velocity per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff range and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage per level notice the bonus to SPEED!!!!! CCP get your heads out your ass.............
Abrynn Minmatar CCCP INC	Posted - 2008.08.10 18:44:00 - [24] i just wanted to point this out this is the actual discription of the vaga ingame Hull: Stabber Class Role: Heavy Assault Ship The fastest cruiser invented to date, this vessel is ideal for hit-and-run ops where both speed and firepower are required. Its on-board power core may not be strong enough to handle some of the larger weapons out there, but when it comes to guerilla work, the Vagabond can't be beat. Developer: Thukker Mix Improving on the original Stabber design, Thukker Mix created the Vagabond as a cruiser-sized skirmish vessel equally suited to defending mobile installations and executing lightning strikes at their enemies. Honoring their tradition of building the fastest vessels to ply the spacelanes, they count the Vagabond as one of their crowning achievements. Minmatar Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to max velocity per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff range and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage per level notice the bonus to SPEED!!!!! CCP get your heads out your ass.............

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