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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.25 15:09:00 -
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I love you ccp, this is a great change!
The best part? I'll still be able to hit 8000 m/s which is more than I need with a MWD, why are people super whining about this change? you can still go fast as hell.
Also I love you for
-X-Instinct boosters cause a reduction in signature radius, rather than an increased base velocity.-omg YES FINALLY! -Marauders will probably get their web bonus boosted -BADASS -interceptors aren't getting any slower woohoo!
only bad thing I have to say is feel pity on the blaster boats. maybe replace the tracking bonus the mega has in this new slower world with a 100% boost to afterburner speed? that's what I would do!
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.25 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Arthmandar Valikari As a mission-running carebear who uses the Ishtar as ship of choice, I have a concern with the web nerf -- there are several missions (World's Collide, Shipyard Theft vs. Angels, etc.) where the following situation holds:
1) the jump in point is camped by multiple web/scram tackler frigs and significant DPS 2) loosing drones gets you lots of bonus aggro and a quick, violent death
The only way I have found to handle these is to fit guns an
get on sis and run the missiuon again this monday, if you can't kill them with the web nerf then complain and ccp will listen.
HOwever I don't think PvE is going to change much.d a web, and kill these tacklers without drones before I die, so I can run away and manage drone aggro.
I am concerned that the web nerf will make it very hard for larger ships (non-marauders) to deal with these fast, hard-hitting, lockdown style tacklers in PvE.
If drones weren't able to draw aggro without firing on a target, this would solve my concern, and would be my recommendation of choice, but I'm open to alternatives. Frankly, it would make a lot of PvE better, if drones were ignored by NPCs until they did something violent.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:48:00 -
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Quote: In the current game state, this is mainly achieved with nano setups, which enable you to travel fast, move into enemy territory, hit targets of opportunity, and when the inevitable blob arrives, you run like hell. This is pretty much the only way small corps and gangs have to hurt larger enemies
why the **** do you have to go faster than 9000m/s to fight in a small group?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: XxAngelxX Also, this is the end of people actually wanting to scout in gangs, every time you jump into a camp you will die. No MWDing sniper fleets out of bubbles on jump in, this + cyno jammers is just ******ed. If you jump a similar sized sniper fleet into a bubble sniper fleet, you're going to lose a lot more than you normally would on jump in as the game stands now, and even when you do it now its a considerable risk.
This is not only nerfing small gang nano warfare, this is nerfing fights in general. Even less people will think "sod it lets jump in" because everyone will die.
People used to do this before the nano age. It's difficult but you can do if you are good enough.
You are a dumb shit.
How the **** can you be good at pressing mwd and then moving in a straight line ? Do people magically feel skilled and move 200m/s faster?
Wow ...
I'm sorry but I never had to go faster than 5000m/s to get back to the gate stop whining.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tashiell Gao Having my face on a thread that kills.
Jim with that "door slams on the face" might be right...well i hope.
the boost on missiles seems to be right, i was just going to post something like "missiles are less effective and more restrictng than guns" thread with an alt. seems there is no such need now.
But Speed nerf...seems to be disgusting to the minmatar race from just reading it, even one less reason for me to cross train minnies in the near future.
But anyway, i ll wait till people have tested the changes over a long term of time.
-tash
ok as a minmatar pilot I have to say I will not be effected by any of these changes.
The only thing this does is make speed more important that before. And I for one never used fancy mods before and won't now. in fact look at the interceptor it's nopt nerfed at all. I can still nano it and go 8000m/s
this change is only to stop 30,000 m/s which you can't fight at nayways.
hell now I can't be webbed to death meaning my speed skills are now meven better why would anyone but rich dumb ****ers complain about this change I don't get it.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: XxAngelxX Also, this is the end of people actually wanting to scout in gangs, every time you jump into a camp you will die. No MWDing sniper fleets out of bubbles on jump in, this + cyno jammers is just ******ed. If you jump a similar sized sniper fleet into a bubble sniper fleet, you're going to lose a lot more than you normally would on jump in as the game stands now, and even when you do it now its a considerable risk.
This is not only nerfing small gang nano warfare, this is nerfing fights in general. Even less people will think "sod it lets jump in" because everyone will die.
People used to do this before the nano age. It's difficult but you can do if you are good enough.
You are a dumb shit.
How the **** can you be good at pressing mwd and then moving in a straight line ? Do people magically feel skilled and move 200m/s faster?
Wow ...
I'm sorry but I never had to go faster than 5000m/s to get back to the gate stop whining.
If thats the case why bother nerfing anything, besides you will have no choice about it if this ******ed nerf goes ahead and that is the real issue here.
actully that is why we have the CSM and I think you'll find more people vote for than agiants.
And the case is to nerf out 30,000 m/s this change doesn't effect anyone but blaster boats. and rich people with too many officer mods trying to go to fast.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Saori Rei Thinking about it, I'm concerned about the effect all this will have on Gallente blasterboats. I can't help but think this will nerf them heavily. :S
we'll have to test it on sis but I think only the blaster battleships are going to get hurt. I still think the mega should get a change to it's tracking to instead get a bonus to afterburner speed.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tashiell Gao
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Tashiell Gao Having my face on a thread that kills.
Jim with that "door slams on the face" might be right...well i hope.
the boost on missiles seems to be right, i was just going to post something like "missiles are less effective and more restrictng than guns" thread with an alt. seems there is no such need now.
But Speed nerf...seems to be disgusting to the minmatar race from just reading it, even one less reason for me to cross train minnies in the near future.
But anyway, i ll wait till people have tested the changes over a long term of time.
-tash
ok as a minmatar pilot I have to say I will not be effected by any of these changes.
The only thing this does is make speed more important that before. And I for one never used fancy mods before and won't now. in fact look at the interceptor it's nopt nerfed at all. I can still nano it and go 8000m/s
this change is only to stop 30,000 m/s which you can't fight at nayways.
hell now I can't be webbed to death meaning my speed skills are now meven better why would anyone but rich dumb ****ers complain about this change I don't get it.
Hi, hi, hopefully i pressed "f5" for once. otherwise i don't think i will ever replie your qoute.
I am talking about minnie recons.
As you have already stated, you don't use expensive mods, well some of us do, every nerf/boost is fine apart from the web nerf and the "max" speed intruduction-some people just want their fricking vaga go 100km/s with 10bn isk just for "i am just plain better than you cause i am faster" moments. They have paid genue american dollars every month for 5 years now, they have the isk to spend, you doesn't and you shouldn't be jealous.
-tash
then lets replace the painter bonus with a bonus to web effect?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Saori Rei Thinking about it, I'm concerned about the effect all this will have on Gallente blasterboats. I can't help but think this will nerf them heavily. :S
we'll have to test it on sis but I think only the blaster battleships are going to get hurt. I still think the mega should get a change to it's tracking to instead get a bonus to afterburner speed.
I think clearly that youve never flown gallente ever or you would never say such things. And for suggesting that the megas tracking bonus get changed to a terrible bonus like ab speed i hope you get cancer (ingame)
how will it hurt the non-blaster battleships if their drones can hit targets?
also with everyone moving slower the tracking bonus is less important.
are you following?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2008 14:42:01
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Saori Rei Thinking about it, I'm concerned about the effect all this will have on Gallente blasterboats. I can't help but think this will nerf them heavily. :S
we'll have to test it on sis but I think only the blaster battleships are going to get hurt. I still think the mega should get a change to it's tracking to instead get a bonus to afterburner speed.
I think clearly that youve never flown gallente ever or you would never say such things.
At 5 kills 4 losses ever in eve (over 2 years) he has never flown any thing ever by the looks of it.
My main ship is a logistics ship ask about in the minmatar alliance, our corp, FDN, and MNTZ. I don't fly with weapons. I fly with 4 large remote reps.
or jsut talk to all the pirate corps in MH and the surrounding area I'm a pain in the ass on my main.
my alt is a goonie and has many more kills :P
speaking of which when with logistics ships get on killmails or something :(
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Saori Rei Thinking about it, I'm concerned about the effect all this will have on Gallente blasterboats. I can't help but think this will nerf them heavily. :S
we'll have to test it on sis but I think only the blaster battleships are going to get hurt. I still think the mega should get a change to it's tracking to instead get a bonus to afterburner speed.
I think clearly that youve never flown gallente ever or you would never say such things. And for suggesting that the megas tracking bonus get changed to a terrible bonus like ab speed i hope you get cancer (ingame)
how will it hurt the non-blaster battleships if their drones can hit targets?
also with everyone moving slower the tracking bonus is less important.
are you following?
stfu or get a clue
wow it's like you have no idea how the game works.
if your in scram range your in web range and THUS YOUR IN BLASTER RANGE.
coming from pandemic legion I though you would know something about PvP.
Who the **** cares this doesn't effect speed unless your fitting expensive modules. and as a nano scimitar pilot I will still be able to get up to 700m/s easily without extra mods. And with everyone else going slower minmatar ships are getting more powerful.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
My main ship is a logistics ship ask about in the minmatar alliance, our corp, FDN, and MNTZ. I don't fly with weapons. I fly with 4 large remote reps.
or jsut talk to all the pirate corps in MH and the surrounding area I'm a pain in the ass on my main.
my alt is a goonie and has many more kills :P
speaking of which when with logistics ships get on killmails or something :(
My other cars a Ferrari?.
no it's a shity rifter that only gets on killmals because getting on a killmail is pointless and stupid, however tackling is important, keeping ships alive is important, running fleets is important I don't give a shit about killmails. I honestly never posted a single kill mail I've ever gotten so those that are up aren't me anyways.
Besides looking back you won't care but I've got 35 kills so far in FW on my sheet, sorry if I dont' care about waving my e-peen around.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: MotherMoon
if your in scram range your in web range and THUS YOUR IN BLASTER RANGE.
With Null maybe. Faction AM/Void on Ion IIs is 3.8/9.6 (with my skills). Null cuts the DPS and tracking a bit. As it is it would be bad enough, but if your mongoloid suggestion that the tracking bonus is removed and replaced with a ****ing AFTERBURNER SPEED BONUS was entertained, it would be catastrophic.
posting, could you stop it.
sorry I won't stop posting.
anyways, If it had a speed incease it would just be a big thoraxe. what's wrong with a battleship sized thoraxe? I'm being honest here I'll remove my suggestion if you give me a good answer.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
My main ship is a logistics ship ask about in the minmatar alliance, our corp, FDN, and MNTZ. I don't fly with weapons. I fly with 4 large remote reps.
or jsut talk to all the pirate corps in MH and the surrounding area I'm a pain in the ass on my main.
my alt is a goonie and has many more kills :P
speaking of which when with logistics ships get on killmails or something :(
My other cars a Ferrari?.
no it's a shity rifter that only gets on killmals because getting on a killmail is pointless and stupid, however tackling is important, keeping ships alive is important, running fleets is important I don't give a shit about killmails. I honestly never posted a single kill mail I've ever gotten so those that are up aren't me anyways.
Besides looking back you won't care but I've got 35 kills so far in FW on my sheet, sorry if I dont' care about waving my e-peen around.
If you lock a target and shoot anything at it even if it does not hit you get on the KM and just because you do not post yours does not mean others do not post there loss mail or KM's that yoou would have been on.
ok jezz I'll stop talking about blasterboats and just talk about speed, and duh other people might post my killmails but what fun is non-solo PvP when it comes to kills?
running around ammar space solo taking out people running plexes is just fun.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: MotherMoon
if your in scram range your in web range and THUS YOUR IN BLASTER RANGE.
With Null maybe. Faction AM/Void on Ion IIs is 3.8/9.6 (with my skills). Null cuts the DPS and tracking a bit. As it is it would be bad enough, but if your mongoloid suggestion that the tracking bonus is removed and replaced with a ****ing AFTERBURNER SPEED BONUS was entertained, it would be catastrophic.
posting, could you stop it.
sorry I won't stop posting.
anyways, If it had a speed incease it would just be a big thoraxe. what's wrong with a battleship sized thoraxe? I'm being honest here I'll remove my suggestion if you give me a good answer.
There's no answer, accurate or not, that you'd 'accept', because you're a ****ing dipshit. Choosing between spending the time to write up a big :words: post or just telling you to **** off you're stupid will have the same effect: you're still a moron, I'm still right. So, I'll go with the second one.
also way not to reply to anything I said about the megathron. It's even worse on the Brutix/Astarte/Eos/Deimos (lol).
yes it cuts the tracking unless you can get in range for your closer range higher tracking ammo.
oh wow am I thinking to much for you? poor baby.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2008 15:06:35
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
ok jezz I'll stop talking about blasterboats and just talk about speed, and duh other people might post my killmails but what fun is non-solo PvP when it comes to kills?
running around ammar space solo taking out people running plexes is just fun.
And your trying to make us believe that out of every one of those bazillions of plex kills you got none of them posted a loss mail?.
Keep talking your making a great case for why its only clueless ******s who want this nerf and how it is not needed.
ok instead I'll point at the fact that only 30% of all players have ever posted a kil mail or even looked at a forum don't be so full of yourself.
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-MotherMoon-kills.html
Here you go post away all your solo km's and prove me wrong.
Or you could stfu its up to you.
sory I still don't care enough anyways back to the game forums are boring. The respect I hold in game is more important than here anyways :P
even with over 8000 posts which give me respect here too doesn't mean I'm always right but this has nothing to do with kills or killmails. what a waste or time.
doesn't mean much but at least I've never lost my logtisics ship. http://nmtzkill.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=3856
I did lose an ashimmu unfitted ugh that was terrible lol.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
sory I still don't care enough anyways back to the game forums are boring. The respect I hold in game is more important than here anyways :P
even with over 8000 posts which give me respect here too doesn't mean I'm always right but this has nothing to do with kills or killmails. what a waste or time.
How fortunate that you do not care about the very thing that could actually help validate what you are talking about.
Still not to worry anybody with any actual knowledge about the game knows your a clueless moron anyway.
haha yes you make a great case for yourself.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:10:00 -
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oh noes I made 3 people in the world hate me!
what will I ever do, oh wait the outside world ooo shiny.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:12:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=831860
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 18:53:54
Originally by: gandrig
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean NANO is not overpowered ppl are just under trained and unwilling to improve when crying for a nerf is easier.
That's YOUR ******ed opinion. You know very dam well they're overpowered. It's why your alliance PL and TRI are so vehemently against this nerf. But keep sobbing and calling people stupid and idiots as long as it makes you feel better
And yes, I am a carebear, tell me how much you hate and despise me, I love your whines. I only wish I could harness the tears right off your cheeks, while they're fresh and still warm.
Your disliked cos your a ******* it has nothing to do with your eve carrier tbh.
If this was a nerf carebear thread you would not see me or others posting in it cos i could not give a toss as im a pvper in fact if i had to id actually vote for what ever the carebears enjoyed to do most as thats what playing the game is all about.
Your problem is you enjoy seeing other ppl pi*sed off about stuff they enjoy being removed from the game even though it does not effect you one little bit and that makes you a real ******* and exactly why me and others do not like you tbh.
You hit the nail right on the head buddy.
PS: LOL the tard cut out your explanation then asked for one in the same post ffs.
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
ok now I get it your an exploiter unhappy your cheat has been found. I understand I was able to walk through any wall in archlord in the beta by spamming forward and click but they took it awya :(
was fun to pk and run away through a wall by cheating to not die :P
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2008 21:05:35
Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
What ****ing ship in this game can go 45,000m/s? A completely maxed out, snaked, mindlinked claymore boosted gistii a-type t2 poly rigged stiletto overheating the MWD? You are throwing around strawmen like the ****** you are. That does not apply to 99.9% of situations in this game, and you know it.
no duh it doesn't, didn't you read the blog?
Quote: Speed must never reach ludicrous speed, which is defined as speeds where missiles and drones don't intercept the class of ship they were intended for.
also more importantly a cruiser shouldn't be an interceptor.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot
Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2008 21:06:52 Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2008 21:05:35
Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
What ****ing ship in this game can go 45,000m/s? A completely maxed out, snaked, mindlinked claymore boosted gistii a-type t2 poly rigged stiletto overheating the MWD? You are throwing around strawmen like the ****** you are. That does not apply to 99.9% of situations in this game, and you know it.
no duh it doesn't, didn't you read the blog?
Quote: Speed must never reach ludicrous speed, which is defined as speeds where missiles and drones don't intercept the class of ship they were intended for.
also more importantly a cruiser shouldn't be an interceptor.
Quote: Combining all of the above with a faction MWD results in as much as an eightfold increase in speed over what a vessel can reach with a normal tech2 MWD. If one then takes a look at the max velocity on missiles and drones, it is readily apparent that our combat system was never designed for such speeds.
Well we know 2 things about you, you fly in a blob and don't have enough balls to post with your main.
and this is a reply to the dev quotes how?
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