Originally by: XxAngelxX

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basically PVPers should decide how PVP in eve evolves, not the carebears or Devs who clearly havn't and won't have had the time to spend the last 2+ years PVPing every day.

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I am on the receiving end of (AAA) nano-hacs daily.
I have had an invasion of the old TRI in my space.

Observations from me fighting nano gangs:
-nobody takes booster pills
-Claymores are quite rare to see, and tend do die a lot.
-Hardly anyone uses snakes
-There are plenty of ways to kill (part of) a nanogang, without everybody being in a Rapier or Huginn. They bring a specialized ship to do something, so you have to do something specialized to counter them. Nothing wrong with that. No standard gang (some inties, ewar and DPS) should be able to counter 95% of enemy gang types. Eve should be rock-paper-scissors
-I like fighting them. Some people have even begun to count their kills in polycarbs/week.

I think there is nothing wrong with HACs going 3-5km/s.

I think there is nothing wrong with players investing 1Bn isk in snakes and going 8km/s.

I agree there is something wrong that practically every single HAC can go faster than a standard fitted inty.

There is nothing wrong with having speeds that makes you more or less immune to missiles and drones. These offensive weapons take minimal player skill to use (hence their popularity for mission runners), while good players can avoid the damage of turrets, simply by manual piloting (and vice versa, a good player in a turret boat can maximize his damage potential). A better solution would be to have significantly reduced damage, but not 0, for hurling missiles and drones at fast targets.

I think you should never ever nerf warfare links, as they are really a team-based module, and nerfing decreases the incentive to field one is bad. A good nano gang has a Claymore, so they go even faster. So what? Kill the Claymore first.

Nerfing all at once is bad (damps anyone?).
Just start by adjusting the polycarbs to be worse than t2 nanofibers, and modify the 3 "speed" stats (mass, max velocity, agility) into 2, so more stacking penalties get applied.

Making warp scramblers useful is good (maybe do something with warpcore stabs too).

Changing a web from 90% to 60% is a 400% nerf (max speed of webbed target from 10% to 40%); nothing in the history of eve has been nerfed so hard.

Once again, I fear that the Devs are listening too much to whines, without seeing the real problem. I think they should have focussed their time solely on their last "mission statement":
Guerrilla warfare must remain a viable combat tactic.
Please make more ways to make this possible, than simply nano'ing it up.

Cause:
Skilled players should be better than defending blob in crap ships.
Skilled defenders should be able to beat cookie-cutter setups.

Areo

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Originally by: Divus

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Edited by: Divus on 29/07/2008 00:33:23
People keep saying everyone is flying nano-gangs these days. I can not confirm this. In reality people field the fallowing (against our long range hac gangs - which aint no nano-gangs lol)

1. Carriers
2. Motherships
3. Titans
4. Mixed gangs
5. Battleship Gangs
6. Cruiser/HAC-Gangs
7. ....
9. ....
10.
2345. Nano Gangs <--
87899. Smartbombing Battleships
455646. Battlebadgers

To be honest i remember exactly 1 nanogang in the last 6 month.

So i aint see the problem, someone pls enlighten me, cheers

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Originally by: Markas Crais

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Originally by: Pheleus

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- Scripted Web's hello this is good 20km range at say -30% effect best solution by a long shot.

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Yep. The only problem that people will argue is that "then the nano ship can run out of web range".

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Originally by: Kira Novia

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CCP, you are going to kill your game with these changes.

Best Advice: Fire the idiotic developers...

~Looks at Nozh~

...who have not played this game and don't know what the hell they're changing.

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Originally by: Arcane Carnage

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Edited by: Arcane Carnage on 29/07/2008 02:11:17
Edited by: Arcane Carnage on 29/07/2008 02:09:40
SRS POST

ok me and a corp m8, Goldsnake, have been testing now for what seems like more than long enough on the new sisi build. We tried alot of 1v1 setups and some gang ones with the help of lots of friends and randoms (props to you all).

However the most game breaking comparison we could find was as follows.

Arcane Carnage - Vagabond
Goldsnake - Rifter
(Tarnag - Claymore)

Vaga -
High grade snake set - 4 bil
shaquils speed enhancer - 800 mil
Deadspace mwd - 500 mil
T1 polycarbons - 75 mil
faction other fittings 350 mil (2 gyro 1 nano od + point)

Rifter -
no implants
full t1 fitting (t2 guns) - 1.2mil

(I will not be telling you the setup incase this game ruining patch actually goes through)

Claymore -
max skilled running 3 x gangmods + mindlink

vaga topspeed - 4.9km/s
rifter topspeed - somthing less
claymore - it could have been a station

(assume max spec skills all involved pilots)

ok rifter started off popping drones, then managed to get an overloaded web on during slow 14k orbit (so i could actually hit it with guns) followed by a overloaded scram. It then proceeded for the next 12 minutes to orbit me while i couldnt actually hit it with anything but a hml which was hitting for around 30 damage and being easily passive tanked unable to mwd or well do anything except watch myself die.

2 mil rifter > 6 bil vaga...

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Originally by: Sanis Jalthar

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Complete Load of Tripe

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Originally by: Sanis Jalthar

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Complete Load of Tripe

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