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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.25 20:26:00 -
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This is quite possibly the worst nerf and the biggest mistake ccp have ever tried to implement, even if you ignore all the points that the experienced players have shown on this and other threads the fact is that a huge percentage of the player base is having what they feel is the most enjoyable style of pvp removed from the game.
This fact alone should give ccp pause before removing such an enjoyable form of game play.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ituralde
Originally by: OVERCOPES 1 I find it amusing that all the people that are crying foul of these changes are the likes of pandemic legion,EXCEED AMD TRI.
They have made there name from this broken game mechanic and are now bleating like stuffed pigs about it getting BALANCED.
Good move CCP dont sway on this one.
Care to explain how nanos were broken?
If you spent 6 bil on implants and mods then fitted them to a hac you could go as fast as a t2 fitted interceptor and drake pilots could not solo kill you.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.25 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 25/07/2008 23:01:24
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean If you spent 6 bil on implants and mods then fitted them to a hac you could go as fast as a t2 fitted interceptor and drake pilots could not solo kill you.
The fact is that most pvpers fly nano ships because its great fun and adds levels of skill to the game that sitting opposite another fleet and plugging away like morons until one side runs out of ships will never achieve.
Who the hell do ccp think they are to remove a fun but harmless form of pvp from the game that many ppl enjoy.
So basically you're arguing that ISK should buy you I-Win buttons? Strangely enough, your alliance has always been an outspoken opponent of people with ISK having titans and caps.... I think I read the terms 'I-Win' and 'ISK' quite a lot from your guys in various discussions.
Ironic, isn't it?
EDIT: Damn. Thread is slowing down. 3 minutes without a post!
Nano is not a i-win button its a i have a lot of fun style of pvp instead of a turkey shoot thats eventually decided by who has the most ships to begin with and so has some left at the end of the battle.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Thorradin
Heavy Assault Ships being turned into giant tanked interceptors for starters?
At the bargin price of only 6 billion isk
Vaga hit 7km/sec with T2 gear+polies easily enough. Most ceptors can't even reach that speed without rigs.
Nor can the vaga without rigs as you clearly stated.
So your problem is that the hac that is designed spoecifically to go fast...goes fast am i correct?.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen Edited by: Haakelen on 26/07/2008 00:19:22
Originally by: Rhamnousia Nano isn't the ONLY method of guerrillas warfare out there atm. The other option is force recons and other cloaking ships.
If you think that this nerf wasn't the result of people crying, you're an idiot.
If you think they haven't been and won't continue to cry about cloaks just as much as they did about HACs, you're an idiot.
Until the game has been nerfed so much that ppl can own all with passivly tanked drakes ppl will continue to cry for nerfs.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: XxAngelxX
People used to do this before the nano age. It's difficult but you can do if you are good enough.
Actually nowadays the snipers in the system will warp off a few titans will uncloak and vaporize every ship in your fleet as they now do not have enough speed to get out of the bubbles. This will happen not only to large fleets but to small gang unless you are maybe flying a interceptor.
Fun small gang combat will be a thing of the past if this nerf is allowed to be put through as with jump bridges and cyno jammers any roaming gang will enter a constellation look around while the guys living there stay docked. But as soon as they start to leave they will find the choke point out gate bubbled to **** and either blobbed by caps + conventional ships or just get DDD'd.
Without speed ever roaming gang will become a 100% leeroy op, well done ccp you have ****ed the enjoyment of pvp for hundreds of ppl.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 13:16:58
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 26/07/2008 13:04:38 Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 26/07/2008 13:04:19 well 1160 dps torp raven with 30km optimal that dont need to track and awlays hit, sounds nice isnt it?
Drake powning all cruisers/frigates with heavy misiles and tanking like hyperion with 2 lar dont using cap this sounds too intresting isnt it?
Caldari era will begin.
PVP with the skill range and equivalent variation of the game snap.....yea great.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: XxAngelxX Also, this is the end of people actually wanting to scout in gangs, every time you jump into a camp you will die. No MWDing sniper fleets out of bubbles on jump in, this + cyno jammers is just ******ed. If you jump a similar sized sniper fleet into a bubble sniper fleet, you're going to lose a lot more than you normally would on jump in as the game stands now, and even when you do it now its a considerable risk.
This is not only nerfing small gang nano warfare, this is nerfing fights in general. Even less people will think "sod it lets jump in" because everyone will die.
People used to do this before the nano age. It's difficult but you can do if you are good enough.
You are a dumb shit.
How the **** can you be good at pressing mwd and then moving in a straight line ? Do people magically feel skilled and move 200m/s faster?
Wow ...
No need to be so agressive to get your point across.
But you need to open your mind new or in fact old tactics to win a fight, rather than clicking your MWD and hitting orbit, takes a lot skill that also, dosen't it.
How about you list a few of those old or new tactics because if you think that clicking a mwd and then orbit is all you need to do when you fly nano's you are a clueless idiot.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: XxAngelxX Also, this is the end of people actually wanting to scout in gangs, every time you jump into a camp you will die. No MWDing sniper fleets out of bubbles on jump in, this + cyno jammers is just ******ed. If you jump a similar sized sniper fleet into a bubble sniper fleet, you're going to lose a lot more than you normally would on jump in as the game stands now, and even when you do it now its a considerable risk.
This is not only nerfing small gang nano warfare, this is nerfing fights in general. Even less people will think "sod it lets jump in" because everyone will die.
People used to do this before the nano age. It's difficult but you can do if you are good enough.
You are a dumb shit.
How the **** can you be good at pressing mwd and then moving in a straight line ? Do people magically feel skilled and move 200m/s faster?
Wow ...
I'm sorry but I never had to go faster than 5000m/s to get back to the gate stop whining.
If thats the case why bother nerfing anything, besides you will have no choice about it if this ******ed nerf goes ahead and that is the real issue here.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
OMG. Laughing at all the Pandemic Legion, Sniggwaffe, Triumvirate, et al whines! AHAHAHAHAHA LOL
You're nothing without your nanos and you know it. LMAO Look at all the tears.
CCP, please don't cave in to Tri and company. They've abused nanos long enough. Count their posts on this thread and see what I mean. As you said, MWD has become a MUST to counter MWD's/nanos. Your ideas just need a little tweaking, other than that it's all good. Two thumbs way up!
And ppl like you are nothing even with them so you try to gain some pathetic satisfaction from others fun style of pvp being removed from the game.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 14:26:04
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean And ppl like you are nothing even with them so you try to gain some pathetic satisfaction from others fun style of pvp being removed from the game.
How about you take off the nanos off your ship and try something different? it's not the end of the world you know. USE YOUR BRAIN! to fit your ships instead of just nanoing even the kitchen sink. If not, can i have your stuffs on your way out? Keep crying noob.
You are a clueless r*tard with no idea how to enjoy the game, and ive killed more ships in non nano ships than i ever have in nano ships.
But then i understand the game and i have flown with ppl who enjoy fun fighting in pvp gangs from nano to sniper BS and all styles in between. Removing any form of gang pvp for the preferred ******ed blob style of skilless crap is always a mistake.
PS: your a moron.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Saori Rei Thinking about it, I'm concerned about the effect all this will have on Gallente blasterboats. I can't help but think this will nerf them heavily. :S
we'll have to test it on sis but I think only the blaster battleships are going to get hurt. I still think the mega should get a change to it's tracking to instead get a bonus to afterburner speed.
I think clearly that youve never flown gallente ever or you would never say such things.
At 5 kills 4 losses ever in eve (over 2 years) he has never flown any thing ever by the looks of it.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Saori Rei Thinking about it, I'm concerned about the effect all this will have on Gallente blasterboats. I can't help but think this will nerf them heavily. :S
we'll have to test it on sis but I think only the blaster battleships are going to get hurt. I still think the mega should get a change to it's tracking to instead get a bonus to afterburner speed.
I think clearly that youve never flown gallente ever or you would never say such things. And for suggesting that the megas tracking bonus get changed to a terrible bonus like ab speed i hope you get cancer (ingame)
how will it hurt the non-blaster battleships if their drones can hit targets?
also with everyone moving slower the tracking bonus is less important.
are you following?
stfu or get a clue
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
My main ship is a logistics ship ask about in the minmatar alliance, our corp, FDN, and MNTZ. I don't fly with weapons. I fly with 4 large remote reps.
or jsut talk to all the pirate corps in MH and the surrounding area I'm a pain in the ass on my main.
my alt is a goonie and has many more kills :P
speaking of which when with logistics ships get on killmails or something :(
My other cars a Ferrari?.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
My main ship is a logistics ship ask about in the minmatar alliance, our corp, FDN, and MNTZ. I don't fly with weapons. I fly with 4 large remote reps.
or jsut talk to all the pirate corps in MH and the surrounding area I'm a pain in the ass on my main.
my alt is a goonie and has many more kills :P
speaking of which when with logistics ships get on killmails or something :(
My other cars a Ferrari?.
no it's a shity rifter that only gets on killmals because getting on a killmail is pointless and stupid, however tackling is important, keeping ships alive is important, running fleets is important I don't give a shit about killmails. I honestly never posted a single kill mail I've ever gotten so those that are up aren't me anyways.
Besides looking back you won't care but I've got 35 kills so far in FW on my sheet, sorry if I dont' care about waving my e-peen around.
If you lock a target and shoot anything at it even if it does not hit you get on the KM and just because you do not post yours does not mean others do not post there loss mail or KM's that yoou would have been on.
If your gonna preach about summat its a good idea to know wtf your talking about pal.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
sory I still don't care enough anyways back to the game forums are boring. The respect I hold in game is more important than here anyways :P
even with over 8000 posts which give me respect here too doesn't mean I'm always right but this has nothing to do with kills or killmails. what a waste or time.
How fortunate that you do not care about the very thing that could actually help validate what you are talking about.
Still not to worry anybody with any actual knowledge about the game knows your a clueless moron anyway.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 15:11:01
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: MotherMoon
sory I still don't care enough anyways back to the game forums are boring. The respect I hold in game is more important than here anyways :P
even with over 8000 posts which give me respect here too doesn't mean I'm always right but this has nothing to do with kills or killmails. what a waste or time.
How fortunate that you do not care about the very thing that could actually help validate what you are talking about.
Still not to worry anybody with any actual knowledge about the game knows your a clueless moron anyway.
haha yes you make a great case for yourself.
Post your uber solo kms or stfu.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=831860
Originally by: TheG2 I've seen lots of complaints that blasterboats would be nerfed by these changes, however I don't think it changes much.
For example: Battleship is moving at 800m/s towards its target, it comes within 10km, web hits, it slows to 500m/s by the time he hits the 7.5km/s scrambler where his MWD gets cut, he continues to drift closer to his target (because he has also cut off his targets MWD and webbed him with his own web/scrambler) and well within to optimal range. The fight is now exactly as before except web is slightly less effective, so if the smaller ship is using an AB instead of a MWD, they choose their fit correctly and therefore should have an advantage in this case.
How fortunate that you and this r*tard never fight ships that burn away from you at the same speed or faster and that they all sit still so your totally absurd scenario may actually work.
PS: I suggest you and this other paer tiger login do some pvp cos you have no clue wtf you are talking about
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 15:32:55
Originally by: kOZMIC sNIPER I would have to say I learned alot these last two days seeing PL right all this intel on ships and what they do. I beat most people have no idea on these numbers and that is why they lose to good PVP groups like PL. PL you guys are truly top notch and you have my repect after this is all said and done.
Im not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but your closer to the truth about things than you realize.
Experienced pvpers learn about there ships capabilities and fits plus they group up to make the best of those bonuses and fitting styles.
While those who are either too stupid or lazy to learn those capabilities and styles run str8 to the forums and cry for nerfs and make claims about broken game mechanics instead of admitting to their incompetence or laziness.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: NoX PL Why you are nerfing high speed in every aspect? I was perfecting speed and nano ships for a long time and now i see that time spend on this would be a waste of time. I would understand little changes but this is insane.
And this'll happen everytime you train for FOTM!
You have, like so many others, trained for speed because you saw it gave you an almost unbeatable advantage to people who didn't. And you wonder why they're nerfing it???
If you train for the next FOTM I-Win button, you'll be caught out again when that is balanced down the line!
Smart people use things that aren't modified missionrunning setups because they work in organized gangs of skilled PvPers, lead by competent FCs. They do this to overcome numbers advantages. Your premise is that anything that skilled organizations can use to overcome larger, unskilled enemies is unbalanced. If CCP agrees with you, god help this game.
Did you read the patch notes...we are here bud.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean If that was the case ppl would be flying them moron.
but you have to give it a chance lima bean (from Pandemic). Right now its going to seem crazy and undo-able for PL and Tri. And believe me, I understand. It'll take time getting used to. Us carebears go through this all the time and we just move on and adapt. But you know what? Pandemic Legion and Tri can do it as well. It's what makes Eve great, trust me :)
FYI ive never flown a nano ship in PL ever so dropping my alliance name like i am biased makes you look like a idiot, and if your a carebear why would you care unless your a wannabe bitter pvper who tried and failed so gets his pleasure from others being nerfed.
Removing any form of pvp from a pvp game is a bad idea but having to listen to a ******ed carebear preaching about pvp and how nefs are a good thing is a joke and so are you.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Kalvin Braunberg
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: Archetype02 nano ships compensate by lower dps compared to any tanking ship of the same value.. if you fit a propper tank no nano can solo your bs, but with your uber fitting and player experience i find this highly unlikely.
The first step is to let go of "nanos this nanos that". Nano ships are a fit that we as players use. It has become THE ONLY FIT almost and exclusively. Try something other than the vaga or ishtar. If you can't then you should be thinking to yourself, "wow, if these are the only ships I'm willing to use because the rest just aren't as good, maybe there is a problem". See?
Or maybe they are popular ships because they require a high amount of SP and skill to fly well. Ever think of that?
And I don't know what game you play, but hacs are hardly "THE ONLY FIT". Not to mention the large number of people flying these ships because they "think" they ar an I win button, and then mess up and die easily because they find the ship is anything but that.
Skill to orbit at 100km and only approach gates at warp? Yea right. You dont have to scout in a nano, just enter system and soom from gate. Then scury around looking for solo kills or other nano-gangs, avoiding any kind of conventional defense fleet because you're pathetic against it.
So, teh nano-gang just sits at 100km flying or moves on, unless the defense gang brings their own nano's or huginns. At that point its most often then not a chase, cause who wants a real fight in a nano.
You have no clue BUT after the nerf we will a roaming gang enter hostile space the space holders jump bridge a blob to the choke point, bubble the crap out of the gate and wait until the gang leaves and a total **** ensues.
Welcome to the new eve.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: Dray
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: Dray 10 out of 10 for missing the point...
i know i was thinking the same thing. but i don't think pandemic and tri get it. hehe, let's not tell them yet though. theyre good people sersiously though.
I meant you tbh....
ummm what do you mean? i dont think calling pandemic and tri names is going to help, we HAVE to try and help them adapt! not insult them you see my point?
How often do you need to be called a total ****** before you realise that aside from a few bitter mission runners and game trolls that nobody either likes you or thinks this is a good idea.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean How often do you need to be called a total ****** before you realise that aside from a few bitter mission runners and game trolls that nobody either likes you or thinks this is a good idea.
i know i know. its just that all these other guys (from pandemic and tri) think that nanos aren't overpowered and i get frustrated telling them to see things like you and me. but they just dont get it through their thick heads. it seems only us smart ones can see through the doom and gloom . have you tried explaining it to them? they don't listen!
They are right its ppl like you who are unwilling to learn piloting skills that are reducing the game and its content.
Here is a way for the morons who want eve to be perfectly "BALANCED" as thats the word they like to use.
Remove every ship apart from one from the game give it a single available fit and also give everybody perfect skills in it.
There perfect "BALANCE".
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Clone 231D Well I guess one final post won't hurt.
Hopefully if and when this balancing goes thru, it will become plainly obvious which pilots/alliances are all they say they are.
Reminds me of when remote DDDs got nerfed. Sure, BoB is pretty badass, but they weren't that badass (taking regions like candy from a baby.)
yea its not like 3--40 thousand players attacked them all at the same time and yet still failed to destroy them...............
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 18:29:41
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean They are right its ppl like you who are unwilling to learn piloting skills that are reducing the game and its content.
Here is a way for the morons who want eve to be perfectly "BALANCED" as thats the word they like to use.
Remove every ship apart from one from the game give it a single available fit and also give everybody perfect skills in it.
There perfect "BALANCE".
I was thinking more along the lines of CCP actually fixing the imbalances such as nanos and letting the tards from Pandemic and Tri die off, since obviously they cannot live without hugging nanos .
Just quit and move on already. I have enough tears from you alone to power my satisfaction that you suck at Eve. Bye bye.
Isnt it odd the these imbalances that you claim need fixing also happen to boost ships and crappy tactics that useless tards like you fly..........
PS: Around 500 kills in the last month none in a nano ship fyi.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Isnt it odd the these imbalances that you claim need fixing also happen to boost ships and crappy tactics that useless tards like you fly..........
"OH NOE4S! ITS NOT MY FAULT IDIOTS USE OTHER SHIPS THAT ARENT OVERPOWERED"
Go read a book or two. It should improve your IQ. Cant help you with your crappy 3-you-old tantrums though. You'll need to go back to mom for that, Mr. Bean.
NANO is not overpowered ppl are just under trained and unwilling to improve when crying for a nerf is easier.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 18:53:54
Originally by: gandrig
Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean NANO is not overpowered ppl are just under trained and unwilling to improve when crying for a nerf is easier.
That's YOUR ******ed opinion. You know very dam well they're overpowered. It's why your alliance PL and TRI are so vehemently against this nerf. But keep sobbing and calling people stupid and idiots as long as it makes you feel better
And yes, I am a carebear, tell me how much you hate and despise me, I love your whines. I only wish I could harness the tears right off your cheeks, while they're fresh and still warm.
Your disliked cos your a ******* it has nothing to do with your eve carrier tbh.
If this was a nerf carebear thread you would not see me or others posting in it cos i could not give a toss as im a pvper in fact if i had to id actually vote for what ever the carebears enjoyed to do most as thats what playing the game is all about.
Your problem is you enjoy seeing other ppl pi*sed off about stuff they enjoy being removed from the game even though it does not effect you one little bit and that makes you a real ******* and exactly why me and others do not like you tbh.
You hit the nail right on the head buddy.
PS: LOL the tard cut out your explanation then asked for one in the same post ffs.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Thanks alot CCP, now it truely will be BLOBS ONLINE or BOB's ONLINE, which ever one fits.
BOB'S BLOBS?.
Say it seven times fast.
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sophisticatedlimabean
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 19:33:19
Originally by: MotherMoon
so going 45,000 m/s isn't overpowered or game breaking?
ok now I get it your an exploiter unhappy your cheat has been found. I understand I was able to walk through any wall in archlord in the beta by spamming forward and click but they took it awya :(
was fun to pk and run away through a wall by cheating to not die :P
Ive never done or seen anybody do close to 45kms ever (although im not sure its possible tbh) and i really doubt that you have seen anybody do it either tbh.
And i have never seen a gang of ships do it either but if your saying that its prevalent around eve to see gangs doing these sort of speeds id be interested to see your evidence.
Originally by: Motaka sophisticatedlimabean look m8 your overpowered solo pwn mobile is going,your just going to have to do it the old fashioned way to get your fun,you know all get into interceptors and you know actually take some risk.
You are sounding like a spoilt little child whose had his favorite toy taken away from him.
Apt or die,and quit your crying.
I do not fly nano in fact my last 500 kills were in a caldari ship.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana For those of you against this change, I'm curious how you would kill the following little gang using 12 ships:
3 x 6km/s Rapiers 3 x 6km/s Curses 3 x 6km/s Ishtars 3 x Falcons
This sort of question is posed by paper tigers and proves nothing tbh cos if those ships are piloted by morons they will be ineffectual while a highly skilled gang of fewer ships could kick there butts.
The fact is that it in a lot if not all cases of gang fights it comes down to individual pilot skill, the skill and effectiveness off how each of the gangs work together and even a little luck for the jammers as falcons can be quite hard to jam.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Motaka
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Mashie Saldana For those of you against this change, I'm curious how you would kill the following little gang using 12 ships:
3 x 6km/s Rapiers 3 x 6km/s Curses 3 x 6km/s Ishtars 3 x Falcons
This sort of question is posed by paper tigers and proves nothing tbh cos if those ships are piloted by morons they will be ineffectual while a highly skilled gang of fewer ships could kick there butts.
The fact is that it in a lot if not all cases of gang fights it comes down to individual pilot skill, the skill and effectiveness off how each of the gangs work together and even a little luck for the jammers as falcons can be quite hard to jam.
Yet you answer without actually answering the bloody question.
That is because as i said the question only has relevance to EVE fitting tool warriors who have spent most of their life in eve in missions or spinning their ship watching their skill training tick over.
Piloting and in gang teamwork skill + a little luck when both gangs are skilled is virtually always the deciding factor in a fight.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 23:03:00 -
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The for and against nano nerf threads seem to be telling the story of how ppl feel.
AGAINST THE NERF 15 PAGES SO FAR:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
FOR THE NERF TO GO AHEAD 5 PAGES:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832369
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Posted - 2008.07.28 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Pookie
Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 28/07/2008 13:57:58
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Andnowthenews
MM are the biggest gate bubblers in the game its what you do with your caps titans and bridges so please this nerf will suit your blob style of defense down to the ground.
Unrealistic my arse its MM'S only real tactic for dealing with roaming gangs ffs.
Nice attempt to avoid the point however.
Its you who is avoiding the point and the point is that 0.0 alliances will move into choke pointed areas or those covered by jump bridge networks and that will be the virtual end of roaming pvp as we know it cos a quick JB a few bubbles and a blob or titan and the roaming gang may as well log off or self destruct.
o/ sophisticatedlimabean
Hey look it my stalker.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/07/2008 21:07:29 1. Nothing is stopping any ship nano or not from warping off if as you say:
"When you see the hostile list on the overview start to grow, just align/MWD/warp.... There is NO way to catch you, since the incoming ships will be visible on the overview for several seconds (final part of their warp) before they can start locking".
This is about ship alignment and pilot skill and awareness and has nothing to do with nano fits as any ship can warp off when a blob comes up on their overview.
Ive done the same thing in sniper BS, falcons tbh pretty much every ship i have flown.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/07/2008 21:15:30
Originally by: Malachon Draco
You don't get it. Its not about scouts. Its about getting fights. If a gang can jump through the gate, MWD off and then engage we got a fight.
If they can't jump through without MWDing off, you dont get a fight because they wont jump in at all. They will either go the other way, or logoff if cornered. Woohoo. Now that is so much fun.
This change will reduce the number of fights, will increase blobs as the only viable fighting style and will lead to more frustrating tactics like logging off to avoid battle.
What he said.
This nerf supports mindless and skilless blobbing instead of encouraging ppl to improve their piloting skills and use and fit the many and a fore mentioned well documented counters in ships modules and tactics.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/07/2008 21:25:08
Originally by: Tzrailasa
Try a small non-nano gang yourself (and pray you don't run into a nano-gang). Proper scouting and not loitering in the same system for more than a few minutes will most of the time see you perfectly safe.
Unless of.c. you make mistakes, but then you deserve to die. The difference is right there. Even if a nano-gang makes mistakes, they'll most likely still survive because they can disengage faster than the opponent can lock you.
In other words roaming has been reduced by this nerf to ganking solo ratting ships and running away from gangs that have equal or greater numbers even if they fly crapply fitted ships.
Instead of having the ability to take on larger fleets while taking a few losses but getting a few kills as well.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 28/07/2008 21:39:20
Originally by: Tzrailasa
If you didn't understand "Proper scouting and not loitering in the same system for more than a few minutes will most of the time see you perfectly safe.", there really isn't much I can do to explain it to you.....
I love this LOL your response to what this nerf will do and how roaming a gang will deal with another larger gang is they will need to....wait for it...LEAVE BEFORE THEY GET INTO A FIGHT????.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tzrailasa
Originally by: Malachon Draco ....All I see from you is bullshit and innuendo...
Your perfect argumentation skills at work again I see.
Please use a civil tone, and maybe try to read my post on the previous page? You know the one where I laid out the REAL INGAME experience of our alliance against PL in Delve....
All your name-calling and misrepresentations about the supposed vulnerability of nano-gangs fall flat on their face when taken ingame as most people fighting against nano-gangs will testify......
I read it. You said that PL could align and warp so fast that it was no point in engaging. I don't see why you should be the primary authority on fighting small gangs of PvPers. I bet the likes of CVA got a lot more nanogangs roaming their space. You could see it with BRUCE. When we first engaged em they sucked at fighting nanoers. But you could see em learn step by step. I also said that any gang worth its salt can align and warp out as long as you pay attention. Nanos dont warp faster. So what is the difference? Any gang who wants to disengage fast can do so, it does not require nanos.
BE do it all the time and they fly ravens.
And i can assure you aside from wilds CNR efforts the standard BE raven fit aint nano.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tzrailasa
A nano-gang can escape almost unscathed even when they make (many) mistakes.
Only if the ppl they are flying against suck or its a 1 mistake insta pop for any nano ship that makes a mistake in combat against any sized gang.
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Posted - 2008.07.28 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
[ 2008.07.28 21:58:34 ] CCP Atropos > sigh [ 2008.07.28 21:58:45 ] CCP Atropos > it's simple really [ 2008.07.28 21:58:52 ] CCP Atropos > when it becomes the de facto method for fighting [ 2008.07.28 21:58:55 ] CCP Atropos > it needs ot be nerfed [ 2008.07.28 21:59:02 ] CCP Atropos > simple as really
God forbid CCP allows the enjoyment to continue.........
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 29/07/2008 13:12:42
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
I never complained that Nanoships are invincible. Only that they get to choose their fights at will and could not really being forced to stay and slug it out. It personally bothered me, that my personal choice of ships (Close Range Turret BS) was nearly, extinct.
So why not nerf station and gate huggers or cloakers or the ability to be aligned and insta warp or sitting inside or near a POS bubble, cos all of these things give pilots the ability to "choose their fights at will" and "not be forced to stay and slug it out".
The nano nerf is about reducing the overall skill level in EVE because the ppl who wish this stupid nerf are too lazy, stupid or incompetent to improve their personal and team work skills.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Luckyduck
Maybe sure it could use a tweak, but honestly, if I see vagas get much higher than 5km/s and any other hac beyond 2200m/s (3km with snakes), it's just not gonna be enough. Hacs were ment to be harder tanked, heavier hitting ships... hense the "heavy assault ship" title. Recons were ment to be ECCM ships. Neither were ment to be interceptors.
The vaga should max out at around 7kms the others at around 5kms at least or you may as well scrap the entire line of HAC's. And playing with the name to justify reducing them to utter worthlessness is just pathetic btw.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Luckyduck
Maybe sure it could use a tweak, but honestly, if I see vagas get much higher than 5km/s and any other hac beyond 2200m/s (3km with snakes), it's just not gonna be enough. Hacs were ment to be harder tanked, heavier hitting ships... hense the "heavy assault ship" title. Recons were ment to be ECCM ships. Neither were ment to be interceptors.
The vaga should max out at around 7kms the others at around 5kms at least or you may as well scrap the entire line of HAC's. And playing with the name to justify reducing them to utter worthlessness is just pathetic btw.
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Posted - 2008.08.03 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Otellus
Originally by: Red Thunder
er vagas do deal damage, they are one of the most useful nanos in fights since they do instant, undestroyable damage. Also i can see what he means, small alliances who live in npc regions etc will die since the enemy can just blob them all the time
At what range do vagas do damage? How smart is it to go that close?
i just wanted to say:
INSTANT, UNDESTROYABLE DAMAGE
LOL has somebody been flying the caldari dwead against a few SBing carriers?.
Or is he jus shoooopid?.
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Posted - 2008.08.03 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Otellus
Originally by: Red Thunder
er vagas do deal damage, they are one of the most useful nanos in fights since they do instant, undestroyable damage. Also i can see what he means, small alliances who live in npc regions etc will die since the enemy can just blob them all the time
At what range do vagas do damage? How smart is it to go that close?
i just wanted to say:
INSTANT, UNDESTROYABLE DAMAGE
LOL has somebody been flying the caldari dwead against a few SBing carriers?.
Or is he jus shoooopid?.
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