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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:18:00 - [1] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=819225 Cant see any nano whines on the list of thing handed to you by the CSM as being a thing they want you to look at? Perhaps someone should contact the new york times SKUNK
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:21:00 - [2] Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:24:00 - [3] Well spotted!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:26:00 - [4] How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it. SKUNK
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:27:00 - [5] Maybe CCP have their own ideas about the game they created? Just a thought. - DesuSigs
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Le Skunk How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it. SKUNK It does seem strange that this change is so big yet it was not brought up at the time with the CSM, perhaps it shows that CSM is one big joke PR.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Crumplecorn Maybe CCP have their own ideas about the game they created? Just a thought. This is not the place for logic and rational discussions. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:29:00 - [8] Because when taken in context with your posting over the last 6 months (plus the obvious sarcasm), this is obviously part of a larger system of interconnected whines designed to prove your point. What that point is, only you know for sure. But while I'm at it, you aren't crying are you? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:30:00 - [9] Edited by: NeoTheo on 25/07/2008 17:30:55 Originally by: Le Skunk How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it. SKUNK Just because you can dress your consitent whining as a logical point does not mean it is not a whine. the best thing is this whine has a subtle threat with it, woot. you dont need the CSM to tell you how many topics we have had on the subject since the inception of polycarb rigs, cause you are a vet; and youve been playing? right? ;) common man, get it together - we all know it and have seen the way the community has reacted to the situation, CSM or no CSM. Neotheo Dark Materials Linkage
hedfunk Caldari Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:37:00 - [10] Le Skunk perma whines. PERMA. ERMA. RMA. MA. A.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:51:00 - [11] Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 25/07/2008 17:30:55 Originally by: Le Skunk How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it. SKUNK Just because you can dress your consitent whining as a logical point does not mean it is not a whine. the best thing is this whine has a subtle threat with it, woot. you dont need the CSM to tell you how many topics we have had on the subject since the inception of polycarb rigs, cause you are a vet; and youve been playing? right? ;) common man, get it together - we all know it and have seen the way the community has reacted to the situation, CSM or no CSM. If, as you suggest, we dont need the CSM to tell CCP what the players are concerned about, and instead they should look at all the whines on the fourms... what the point of the csm? Which is precisely what many have been asking for the day CCP neutered the CSM ideal. To recap: 1) CCP Employee found to be in cahoots with player alliance. 2) BAD BAD BAD PUBLICITY 3) New York times comes to the rescue quote: Originally by: new york times ôI envision this council being made up of nine members selected by the players themselves, where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis,ö said Mr. Petursson, CCPÆs chief executive. ôThey can see that we did not make this game to win it.ö 4) 1 Year later the CSM is announced as a talking shop. Free holidays, matey beer drinking jokes, nerds sitting around arguing over what font the minutes should be in, and passing on some concerns to CCP for them to action. Totally neutered and nothing like Mr Peturson was quoted as saying would be the role of the CSM (which of course was not told to the new york time) The CSM has morphed from a "ccp anti corrpution watchdog" to A bunch of dudes debating things which then get mostly ignored. SKUNK
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP. That's genius - its going in my sig C. Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
TheG2 Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 25/07/2008 17:30:55 Originally by: Le Skunk How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it. SKUNK Just because you can dress your consitent whining as a logical point does not mean it is not a whine. the best thing is this whine has a subtle threat with it, woot. you dont need the CSM to tell you how many topics we have had on the subject since the inception of polycarb rigs, cause you are a vet; and youve been playing? right? ;) common man, get it together - we all know it and have seen the way the community has reacted to the situation, CSM or no CSM. If, as you suggest, we dont need the CSM to tell CCP what the players are concerned about, and instead they should look at all the whines on the fourms... what the point of the csm? Which is precisely what many have been asking for the day CCP neutered the CSM ideal. To recap: 1) CCP Employee found to be in cahoots with player alliance. 2) BAD BAD BAD PUBLICITY 3) New York times comes to the rescue quote: Originally by: new york times ôI envision this council being made up of nine members selected by the players themselves, where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis,ö said Mr. Petursson, CCPÆs chief executive. ôThey can see that we did not make this game to win it.ö 4) 1 Year later the CSM is announced as a talking shop. Free holidays, matey beer drinking jokes, nerds sitting around arguing over what font the minutes should be in, and passing on some concerns to CCP for them to action. Totally neutered and nothing like Mr Peturson was quoted as saying would be the role of the CSM (which of course was not told to the new york time) The CSM has morphed from a "ccp anti corrpution watchdog" to A bunch of dudes debating things which then get mostly ignored. SKUNK To be fair, they're probably ignored because after scandals and stupidity, they've made themselves largely irrelevant and proved once again that give anyone power and they'll let it get to their heads.
Aenis Veros Caldari Alphaflight	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Crumplecorn Maybe CCP have their own ideas about the game they created? Just a thought. Yes, not paying attention to customers is a sure-shot way of staying in business. ^^
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:55:00 - [15] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2008 17:55:28 Originally by: Aenis Veros Originally by: Crumplecorn Maybe CCP have their own ideas about the game they created? Just a thought. Yes, not paying attention to customers is a sure-shot way of staying in business. ^^ And listening to customers is a sure-shot way of making a game similar to every other game, killing off whatever it was that made it special to begin with. The customer doesnt know best. Not at all. Never ever. Ever. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Aenis Veros Caldari Alphaflight	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2008 17:55:28 Originally by: Aenis Veros Originally by: Crumplecorn Maybe CCP have their own ideas about the game they created? Just a thought. Yes, not paying attention to customers is a sure-shot way of staying in business. ^^ And listening to customers is a sure-shot way of making a game similar to every other game, killing off whatever it was that made it special to begin with. The customer doesnt know best. Not at all. Never ever. Ever. Fine, have your 5 fighter carriers then. ^^
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:57:00 - [17] I was going to post an actual response. But I have had way too many responses like "Waaaah, a CSM member is harassing me cry". Seriously, stop posting.
ZW Dewitt	Posted - 2008.07.25 17:58:00 - [18] Nano whines predate CSM.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:00:00 - [19] Originally by: LaVista Vista I was going to post an actual response. But I have had way too many responses like "Waaaah, a CSM member is harassing me cry". Seriously, stop posting. go shufle some papers SKUNK
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: LaVista Vista I was going to post an actual response. But I have had way too many responses like "Waaaah, a CSM member is harassing me cry". Seriously, stop posting. go shufle some papers SKUNK Shuffle. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Ayrianna Nagaya	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:03:00 - [21] At first I thought this was gonig to be a whine about the up-coming nano-nerf. But now that I read the posts it seems it was a CSM whine. In that case I agree. The CSM is a joke and Jade is the butt of it.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Le Skunk How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it. SKUNK That's actually a good thing.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:38:00 - [23] Edited by: Jinx Barker on 25/07/2008 18:39:36 Whether you hate him or like him, the man has a point, you know. CSM did not have a mandate on NanoNerf... he he he... Originally by: LaVista Vista I was going to post an actual response. But I have had way too many responses like "Waaaah, a CSM member is harassing me cry". Seriously, stop posting. Whom did you harass? Let me know, I will have my people talk to their POD Hull.
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:43:00 - [24] I feel like the CSM discussions were about things further off in the future. Isn't it possible that this was the first issue raised by the CSM, and CCP immediately noted that the fixes were being implemented soon, and that there was no need to discuss them? I mean, I'm sure they've been coming up with nano fixes for a while now, and the CSM meeting wasn't all that long ago. Its not like we needed the CSM to tell CCP the obvious, which is that speed/nano fits are almost required on every pvp ship now.
OVERCOPES 1 Amarr Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Le Skunk How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it. SKUNK Your tears,more plz. Technolisa>those yellow things work better than platinum insurance :P
Wen Jaibao Soul Ripper Consortium	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:46:00 - [26] Originally by: hedfunk Le Skunk perma whines. PERMA. ERMA. RMA. MA. A. DOING IT WRONG
OVERCOPES 1 Amarr Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Aenis Veros Originally by: Crumplecorn Maybe CCP have their own ideas about the game they created? Just a thought. Yes, not paying attention to customers is a sure-shot way of staying in business. ^^ Staying in buisness for 5 years and still growing, even with nerf after nerf of FOTM ships. Yep CCP suck at buisness cus you say so. Technolisa>those yellow things work better than platinum insurance :P
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Khandara Seraphim I feel like the CSM discussions were about things further off in the future. Isn't it possible that this was the first issue raised by the CSM, and CCP immediately noted that the fixes were being implemented soon, and that there was no need to discuss them? I mean, I'm sure they've been coming up with nano fixes for a while now, and the CSM meeting wasn't all that long ago. Its not like we needed the CSM to tell CCP the obvious, which is that speed/nano fits are almost required on every pvp ship now. Right, it was a complete given that the nano stuff, CCP was already aware. But you can bet we discussed nano a lot, when we had a break from the meetings.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.25 18:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Aenis Veros Originally by: Crumplecorn Maybe CCP have their own ideas about the game they created? Just a thought. Yes, not paying attention to customers is a sure-shot way of staying in business. ^^ The balance will happen BECAUSE ccp pays attention to customers. If CSM didn't notice the nano problem then they either don't look at the important things in Eve, or didn't bring this up deliberatly, since they enjoyed to use this i-win feature themselves.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:04:00 - [30] Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/07/2008 19:05:24 Originally by: LaVista Vista Right, it was a complete given that the nano stuff, CCP was already aware. But you can bet we discussed nano a lot, when we had a break from the meetings. So you are trying to tell us they were not "aware" about suicide ganking, or skill queue training, or war dec changes? All of these they were most defiantly "aware of" through the 100 page forum whines. Yet they still made it into your list of "most wanted player concerns" SKUNK
Roku Kotaki Caldari Celestial Command Operations	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:08:00 - [31] Originally by: ZW Dewitt Nano whines predate CSM. Which obviously means, that the CSM didn't need to bring this up or discuss/debate about it, when CCP already had it on the drawing board before the CSM was even elected. If it was already being discussed and implemented internally by CCP, we don't need the CSM to make it obvious to us that it needs to be taken care of if the devs are taking care of it! Besides, if the devs were already coding and developing (which is their job, I'm assuming ) the changes to nano before the CSM was made official, then the CSM couldn't stop it from happening, and they certainly didn't need to make it happen, based on the fact it's already happening. Who really cares if this was an idea with the CSM first or the devs? I think it was going to be taken care of, either way.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/07/2008 19:09:03 Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/07/2008 19:07:28 Originally by: LaVista Vista Right, it was a complete given that the nano stuff, CCP was already aware. But you can bet we discussed nano a lot, when we had a break from the meetings. So you are trying to tell us they were not "aware" about suicide ganking, or skill queue training, or war dec changes? All of these they were most defiantly "aware of" through the 100 page forum whines. Yet they still made it into your list of "most wanted player concerns" As for what "you discussed" in your coffee break, er hang on a minute.... who gives a shit what you discussed. You were voted in by the player base to bring a set of concerns which themselves were voted on to CCP. YOU WERE NOT VOTED IN TO SIT AROUND THE WATERCOOLER DISCUSSING AND PURSUING YOUR OWN PRIVATE AGENDAS THAT WERE NOT ON THE LIST SKUNK Why didn't you raise an issue on the assembly hall then? Seriously, do you even understand how the CSM works? We bring up what people in the COMMUNITY support. If an issue was raised, and supported, we would have brought it up. You are trying too hard. But by all means, keep on making me laugh. It's nice.
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Le Skunk http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=819225 Cant see any nano whines on the list of thing handed to you by the CSM as being a thing they want you to look at? Perhaps someone should contact the new york times SKUNK shouldnt this not bother you too much? seeing as your primary pvp tactic is to sit on low sec gates with smart bombs active, trying to cach said nano ships coming out of warp? crawl back in your hole, and shut your piehole. Nanos needed to be nerefe, stop your whining.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:33:00 - [34] Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/07/2008 19:33:37 Originally by: LaVista Vista You are trying too hard. But by all means, keep on making me laugh. It's nice. If we assume the following: 1) CSM members were voted into a postion of some power, in order to present to CCP the playerbases concerns 2) The playerbase selected a list of concerns to be presented to ccp via its elected officials ... you. 3) There was not enough support for a "nano whine" to go ontot the CSM list of things to present to CCP. 4) In your own admission, you "you can bet we discussed nano a lot, when we had a break from the meetings" 5) Why were you using your elected position to "discuss nanos" when it was not deemed to be one of the things the playerbase were concerned about. 6) Does this seem to you to be an incredibly stupid/naive/corrupt admission when a large percentage of the player base already views the CSM as self serving. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:38:00 - [35] Originally by: SexxxSlave Originally by: Le Skunk http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=819225 Cant see any nano whines on the list of thing handed to you by the CSM as being a thing they want you to look at? Perhaps someone should contact the new york times SKUNK shouldnt this not bother you too much? seeing as your primary pvp tactic is to sit on low sec gates with smart bombs active, trying to cach said nano ships coming out of warp? crawl back in your hole, and shut your piehole. Nanos needed to be nerefe, stop your whining. Oh dear massive fail. 1)You have to activate the bombs as they warp in - not sit with them active 2) Smartbombing kills intys/frigates/cov ops ships. These will still be flown post nerf - and will still be killed by smartbombs post nerf Smartbombing does not kill nano cruisers, and still wont after the nerf So your smart bombing whine means nothing to the issue at hand except perhaps proving that I gave you a damn good pwning once. SKUNK
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Le Skunk stuff SKUNK Oh please. That is just silly. Go whine somewhere else.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:49:00 - [37] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Le Skunk stuff SKUNK Oh please. That is just silly. Go whine somewhere else. 4) In your own admission, you "you can bet we discussed nano a lot, when we had a break from the meetings" 5) Why were you using your elected position to "discuss nanos" when it was not deemed to be one of the things the playerbase were concerned about. SKUNK
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:54:00 - [38] Originally by: Le Skunk How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it. SKUNK CCP said speed was a problem before the CSM ever existed. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:55:00 - [39] I bet CSM are sworn to secrecy.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.25 20:09:00 - [40] "How is this a whine? Its more of an observation. Im mearly pointing out that it appear the much vaunted Council of Stellar management did not put forward speed as something that concerned the player base.. Yet CCP are messing with it." Going to go out on a limb here and guess that they had been looking at this far before CSM came around. Plus, the CSM does not drive the exclusive list of issues the DEVs themselves think need correcting. CSM merely brings concerns of the playbase to the forefront. No where has it ever been stated that only the issues the CSMs bring up would be on the agenda for fixing. Either way, change is coming. Signature removed. Exceeds maximum allowed size of 400 x 120. Navigator
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.25 20:18:00 - [41] i absolutely luv Skunkie whines! \o/ he dresses them with sophisticated dictionary words which he himself doesn't know the meanings to \o/ and when he's caught on his own web of lies he pretends like he's won anyway. YAY for Le SkUnKiE bOy!
Major Stallion The Dark Horses	Posted - 2008.07.25 20:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Le Skunk stuff SKUNK Oh please. That is just silly. Go whine somewhere else. 4) In your own admission, you "you can bet we discussed nano a lot, when we had a break from the meetings" 5) Why were you using your elected position to "discuss nanos" when it was not deemed to be one of the things the playerbase were concerned about. SKUNK because persumably people have a right to free speech in those meetings, especially when theyure off the record?
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.25 20:31:00 - [43] Wow Skunk I can see why Privateers got rid of you.
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2008.07.25 20:33:00 - [44] They didn't need to put speed on the table because it was already being examined and reacted to. Read your dev blogs.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.07.25 20:42:00 - [45] LaVista Vista is by FAR the easiest CSM member to troll, right Le Skunk? -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

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