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Berendas The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.26 05:40:00 - [1] Hey all, I've read up on the coming changes, and do be honest I'm not quite sure what to make of them. However, I have heard talk that this adjustment could be a positive turn for Assault Ships. I haven't gone too in depth with my analysis of the changes yet, so I would like to open to floor to you all do discuss what the speed changes could mean for this fairly overlooked class of ships. Please, state your opinions, findings, ect. on anything pertaining to Assault Ships and the coming changes. I look forward to your responses. Cheers, Berendas
Slade Hoo Amarr xPlaguex	Posted - 2008.07.26 05:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Slade Hoo on 26/07/2008 05:48:30 post-patch: be able to fly into web range with assault ships without getting webbed to hell and killed. fit scrambler+ AB, orbit at your desired weapon range (fly very close to make cruiser with turrets not hit you). gank and tank the shit out of your opponent ;-) cruisers wont track you well and are slower than you, frigates have less damage and less tank but might be faster than you.
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.07.26 05:47:00 - [3] Pros: Speed increase by quite a bit. 1100-2100m/s per the chart to 2250-2750m/s after the change. Web resistance for all ships. The AF traditionally charges in and fights or dies. Webs at 90% = they get hit and die. Webs at 50% - 60% = more tracking issues for opponents. There's more options too. Is your target large ships? Fit an AB and be scrambler proof. Cons: I still don't like the fact that a fourth bonus is eaten up w/ t2 resistances that should be understood.
Kaito Kurusaki Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.07.26 05:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Kaito Kurusaki on 26/07/2008 06:02:56 Edited by: Kaito Kurusaki on 26/07/2008 05:53:37 Assualt ships will be faster than they are now. Added to that, AB + scrambler + web means that anything that gets into their range is not easely getting out of it. Only intys, EAS or T1 frigates will have a faster AB speed I think. And those arn't the biggest threat to a AS in the first place. It is too difficult to dictate the range with an AS, which this patch has potential to fix. I can see them getting very profitable close range heavy tacklers. Have someone in you gang fit a couple tracking disrupters and you get a mean close range speed tank, even when you get hit by the web. Intys will remain as the long range taclers.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2008.07.26 06:10:00 - [5] The changes to web aside, AF's will be popular again because people will want speed and maneuverability, so they'll turn to frigates...like they should have in the beginning. ----------------- Friends Forever
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.26 07:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg The changes to web aside, AF's will be popular again because people will want speed and maneuverability, so they'll turn to frigates...like they should have in the beginning. I LOVE AF's. I really do. I never really thought they were severely broken - just far to pricy for the performance they gave. I might actually have a reason to finish training minmitar Frig V and Amarr Frig V now. And I've generally been of the opinion that many AF's are better suited to AB's than MWD's but no one would ever listen. Now there won't be much of an argument for the MWD.
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.26 07:40:00 - [7] AFs and blasterboats should still receive a bonus to AB effectiveness.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.26 07:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Dzajic AFs and blasterboats should still receive a bonus to AB effectiveness. I guess it depends - the issue with AB verus MWD in all reality wasn't about going fast enough to evade damage (unless you were silly), it was the fact that a BATTLESHIP with MWD fitted could just plain outrun most AF's with AB's installed (Even FANCY deadspace AB's). MWD's will still be the "burn in close as fast as possible" module as they always have been - AB's will simply be looked at more charitably with regards to ships that might want to be hard to hit.
Siddy Minmatar Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake	Posted - 2008.07.26 07:54:00 - [9] AFs are still outdone by mere stabber in everything.
Minsuki Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.07.26 07:56:00 - [10] Edited by: Minsuki on 26/07/2008 08:02:29 Blaster Harpy is gonna be a beast now. Speed, firepower, and your choice between serious tackle with 9km scram and web with one midslot left to tank, or, two slots to tank and the 9km scram acting as a web. Same for jaguar, really. Wolf and most especially the enyo get a nice little buff with the new 9km scram and speed. Hawk, retribution and vengeance still suck.

Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.26 07:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Siddy AFs are still outdone by mere stabber in everything. I don't particularly care if a cruiser outperforms a t2 frigate as a general on paper fact. If the price of an AF was substantially lower then the issue would be moot in my book. I've long harped on a simple solution to the AF that I won't sully this thread with, and it doesn't involve making the AF better at the sort of things cruisers do well, it involves making the AF good at that whole "assault" thing (especially versus those squishy recons or those slugginst battleships). Trouble has always been a cruiser can do the exact same things an AF can in any situation you care to measure (other than pod sniping now that I thinka bout it) for a fraction of the cost.
Tranquil Hegemony Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.26 08:42:00 - [12] poor old Retribution...never gets any luvin'
Zanarkus Amarr Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.26 10:10:00 - [13] problem is the retribution still only has 1 mid. it will forever be useless in tis role as a heavy tackler because of this. and until it gets changed i will not be flying one... vengeance just... well... its made of fail, its trying to be something its not, and as the roles of an ASSAULT frigate goes its completely failed to meet its criteria. im amarr, with assaults lvl5 and i dont fly either, simply because they fail at their roles. end of story.
Emperor Ryan Amarr Imperial Syndicate Forces	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:00:00 - [14] Yeah the Amarr Assult frigs really do SUCK. no role but missions
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Siddy AFs are still outdone by mere stabber in everything. Let's take the wolf w/ that test. Currently I zoom in w/ MWD, orbit at 500m....and see whose skills are best. I'm warp scrambled and webbed. Speed is anemic. Can my tank and DPS outlast his? I'm a bit hard to hit w/ a 33 signature radius. Now I'm up to 75% faster. My ship goes 700m/s w/ an AB currently- guestimate 1225m/s after the "nerf." If you aply one web in the "new world order" I will still orbit the enemy cruiser at 500m/s with a miniscule signature radius. I say the odds in my favor just increased significantly.
Vorga Gar	Posted - 2008.07.26 13:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Zanarkus problem is the retribution still only has 1 mid. it will forever be useless in tis role as a heavy tackler because of this. and until it gets changed i will not be flying one... vengeance just... well... its made of fail, its trying to be something its not, and as the roles of an ASSAULT frigate goes its completely failed to meet its criteria. im amarr, with assaults lvl5 and i dont fly either, simply because they fail at their roles. end of story. Uhm, the Retribution never was intended as a heavy tackler, it's just there to do very heavy damage (on a frigate scale, that is).
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.26 13:44:00 - [17] Still need a proper fourth bonus.
Berendas The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:38:00 - [18] I'm loving all this feedback, and for the most part it seems that Assault Frigates will benefit from these changes. Now I may be able to buy and Enyo for something more than looks :]
Machiko Ruhn	Posted - 2008.07.26 14:45:00 - [19] Yeah, the amarrian ones wont be helped at all with tackling by this change, BUT, hell that's not news, they were never heavy tacklers to begin with, they're heart-breakers and name takers. Now they wont be insta-fragged by every ****** in a cruiser who fits a web, meaning they can do their job of actually KILLING things much better. Now all we lack is that pesky fourth bonus.... I want an ROF bonus on my retri, ultra-sexy gold/red mini zealot anyone?
Nalena Arlath	Posted - 2008.07.26 16:32:00 - [20] I'm in love with my Retribution, but as said, it's not a solo PvP ship at all, and it's not a tackler. It needs to have a gang to be useful, but it has pretty good firepower using T2 pulses w/scorches, as well as good optimal ranges with the range bonus. More so if you rig it. But, the single med slot really is a huge drawback, for any ship really. If they added just 1 more med slot to the Retri, it would be an awesome ship without question. More on topic, I'm all in favour of these comming changes from an AF perspective. It will, hopefully, make non-nano ships a more viable option for small gangs.

Dheorl Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.26 17:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Siddy AFs are still outdone by mere stabber in everything. Theres more cruisers an AF will stand a chance against than a stabber.
Berendas The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:10:00 - [22] I'm not too familiar with the details on ships outside of Amarr or Gallente. Which race's Assault Frigates will benefit the most from these changes? I think the Ishkur will do alright since its a drone based ship and would do ok with rails, and the Enyo only has 2 mids, so using a 7500m scram to also slow people down sounds like a change in its favor. The 2 Amarr AF's probably won't change much since they aren't really built to fit a good tackle. Any thoughts on Caldari/Minmatar AF's?
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:19:00 - [23] I also am optimistic for these changes, and look forward to flying my AF's again... Oh wait, I fly Amarr :P boo Buff the Retribution! 4/2/5 bonuses: cap use / RoF damage / optimal TBH i'd settle for the RoF bonus though, I like being the only ship in the game with 5/1/5 slot layout. It's very Amarr - midslots are for noobs . I don't even mind the last 'utility' highslot - with lowend guns you can cram a Nos in there for more cap, and with higher-end guns you can just offline the nos to act as a heatsink. 2nd mid would be great because after these changes it'd actually be a pretty capable solo ship with just AB/MWD + Scrambler __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Mortuus Minmatar Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:20:00 - [24] Jag was good already, not great but good. After the changes it will be a beast of a ship. MWD into range, scramble, web, orbit slowly under the enemies guns. Occassus Republica <3
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Berendas I'm not too familiar with the details on ships outside of Amarr or Gallente. Which race's Assault Frigates will benefit the most from these changes? I think the Ishkur will do alright since its a drone based ship and would do ok with rails, and the Enyo only has 2 mids, so using a 7500m scram to also slow people down sounds like a change in its favor. The 2 Amarr AF's probably won't change much since they aren't really built to fit a good tackle. Any thoughts on Caldari/Minmatar AF's? The jaguar is designed to be a small sniper boat. Expect more speed for it. The wolf is what I'm excited about. I fought a Thorax recently. I got it into structure while I was still in armor. He came back and won the fight; albeit after defecating on himself. I was stuck orbiting him at 900m at 36.9m/s due to his webber. The wolf's signature radius is only 33m. With an afterburner attached and the new rules......who knows? If I can maintain a transversal speed of 440m/s around a thorax though- AB w/ one web on me I'm guestimating......the tracking guide says w/ full skills the Thorax can't hit me under 5km.....and at best only has a 10% chance of hitting me that close. Now that doesn't take into effect drones, or that my transversal speed probably won't always be that high, or if he has a nuet, or.....you get the point. (BTW- Thorax had a 40% chance of hitting me at 1km before.....)
Mortuus Minmatar Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:34:00 - [26] The reason I am keen on the Jag, is it can fit a nice shield buffer that will recharge once I am under the enemy guns. That and it puts out more DPS than an equally adept Wolf. I'm looking at 3x 150mm t2, 1x rocket, 1x mwd, 9km scram, web, MSE, 3x Gyro t2. Can MWD and run one mod forever, runs it all for about 4min or so. Long enough. 170ish DPS with EMP. Occassus Republica <3
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:44:00 - [27] My preferred wolf setup gets 192 DPS w/ Barrage (Barrage and EMP are equal on EFT). Yes, I use it all the time in combat, not just EFT. Against a Thorax I'll even load Hail. 241 DPS and 277DPS if overheated. Mean little thing.
Mortuus Minmatar Demonic Corp G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.27 00:49:00 - [28] Oh yea, my fit is the same one I used pre-nano age, and it works wonders. Dual Gyro wolf + plate and offlined rep is alright. But I prefer having something that fixes itself while I am running from the hornets nest I stirred up. Occassus Republica <3
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.27 03:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Mortuus Oh yea, my fit is the same one I used pre-nano age, and it works wonders. Dual Gyro wolf + plate and offlined rep is alright. But I prefer having something that fixes itself while I am running from the hornets nest I stirred up. Easy. Worked for me very well for ganking missile ships (hello sig radius), now it's going to be nice for ganking nubbins in turret ships too. 4x150mm AC II Rocket Launcher II 1MN AB (deadspace or best named) warp scrambler II SAR (deadspace or best named) 400mm RT emergency damage control (T2 wont fit) Gyrostab II rof rig + damage rig optionally, halo set ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.07.27 09:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Zarnak Wulf My preferred wolf setup gets 192 DPS w/ Barrage (Barrage and EMP are equal on EFT). Yes, I use it all the time in combat, not just EFT. Against a Thorax I'll even load Hail. 241 DPS and 277DPS if overheated. Mean little thing. I love the wolf and I'm sorely tempted to actually train Minnie Frigate V and the gun skills (I already have the support skills for the most part). As of right now it's one of the best AF's out there and one of the few that has any real merit on the battlefield.

Nijikon Gallente CBC Interstellar	Posted - 2008.07.27 09:50:00 - [31] Edited by: Nijikon on 27/07/2008 09:55:31 what u guys think about ab enyo? 4x ionII with null abII, scramII dc, 2x MFSII cant seem to fit reper/plate couse of cpu problem any advices? edit- ahh 1% cpu implant and it works :P so when we are at editing: any rigs for AFs? or a lil bit overkill?
Gark32 Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.07.27 10:42:00 - [32] Edited by: Gark32 on 27/07/2008 10:45:23 well right now i use a buffer-tanked harpy which is a beast for any ship without a web : [Harpy, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Shield Extender II Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I 1MN MicroWarpdrive I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S OE-5200 Rocket Launcher, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I and it does fine, pushing about 200 dps. its orbit, however, is a bit wide. i'm hoping part of the buff is a reduction in mass, to allow tighter circles, quicker acceleration, and an overall less cruiserlike response. this is one of my favorite ships, and i'm excited that it's getting a buff. ________________________________________________
Kano Sekor Amarr The Movement	Posted - 2008.07.27 11:21:00 - [33] No you are missing the uber-AF the ishkur! [Ishkur of d00m] 3 x Light Ion Blaster II w/ Null 1 x Remote Rep 1 x AB II 1 x Warp Disruptor 1 x Cap Booster II w/ 200's or 100's 1 x SAR II 1 x DCU II 1 x EANM II Drones: 5 x Hobgoblin II, 4 x light ECM drones (5 if you got lvl AF lvl V) You can switch for railguns and try to keep range if you want to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Desu Sigs
Nijikon Gallente CBC Interstellar	Posted - 2008.07.27 12:01:00 - [34] havent forgotten about it ;) back to the question - rigs: worth it? example: anti exp/em pump to get a litle more ehp or maybe speed rigs? their price might lower a bit so maybe its worth considering
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.07.27 12:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Nijikon havent forgotten about it ;) back to the question - rigs: worth it? example: anti exp/em pump to get a litle more ehp or maybe speed rigs? their price might lower a bit so maybe its worth considering Definitely put rigs on an assault frigate. Just be sensible about it. I usually put two projectile dmg rigs on my wolf- total cost of 6 million isk to 9 million depending on location.
easei Trident Enterprises Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.07.27 16:13:00 - [36] Everyone in this thread knows that it's webs and nano's getting nerfed not energy neuts...right?
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.07.27 16:20:00 - [37] Originally by: easei Everyone in this thread knows that it's webs and nano's getting nerfed not energy neuts...right? There are many ways for a small ship to die to a larger. Now they at least have a role. And there are some small ways around the nuet....cap booster, small vampire, ect.
Minsuki Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.07.28 03:44:00 - [38] Edited by: Minsuki on 28/07/2008 03:45:14 Originally by: easei Everyone in this thread knows that it's webs and nano's getting nerfed not energy neuts...right? Yes, but now heavier ships can't simply activate their web and instantly win. Rather, they'll have to rely on drones, neuts, or what have you.
lootcollection Balls Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.28 05:03:00 - [39] AF's seem like they could be fun post-patch
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2008.07.28 12:59:00 - [40] Originally by: easei Everyone in this thread knows that it's webs and nano's getting nerfed not energy neuts...right? I have to agree with this. With so many ships fitting a neut in that "extra high slot" I doubt this will really end up being a buff for AF's. And even with a cap injector 1 med neut still pretty much screws you. I was really excited for this change when I first heard it but then when I got to thinking about neuts I was sad again :(

SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.28 13:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Ignatious Mei Originally by: easei Everyone in this thread knows that it's webs and nano's getting nerfed not energy neuts...right? I have to agree with this. With so many ships fitting a neut in that "extra high slot" I doubt this will really end up being a buff for AF's. And even with a cap injector 1 med neut still pretty much screws you. I was really excited for this change when I first heard it but then when I got to thinking about neuts I was sad again :( Gotta use cycle time to your Advantage. If your tackling say a battleship and he has a Heavy Neut. You should be able to run your guns / Point of a small Nos inbetween his cycle times. Medium Neuts to a lesser degree.
Ignatious Mei	Posted - 2008.07.28 13:40:00 - [42] Originally by: SuiJuris Originally by: Ignatious Mei Originally by: easei Everyone in this thread knows that it's webs and nano's getting nerfed not energy neuts...right? I have to agree with this. With so many ships fitting a neut in that "extra high slot" I doubt this will really end up being a buff for AF's. And even with a cap injector 1 med neut still pretty much screws you. I was really excited for this change when I first heard it but then when I got to thinking about neuts I was sad again :( Gotta use cycle time to your Advantage. If your tackling say a battleship and he has a Heavy Neut. You should be able to run your guns / Point of a small Nos inbetween his cycle times. Medium Neuts to a lesser degree. Aye, thats what I was saying. Heavy neuts and a injector I don't think will be so much of a issue. Medium neuts on the other hand are going to cause serious problems.
SuiJuris	Posted - 2008.07.28 13:42:00 - [43] Most BS will use a Heavy Neut for the range so they can get a traditional tackler off, IE kill a Inty's cap. Maybe if you plan on Tackling a Cruiser you should pack 2 nos's and stagger the cycles...
Butterless Toast	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:18:00 - [44] So has anyone been able to play around with AFs on SiSi yet today? I'd be interested to know roughly how fast AFs can go now with an AB.
Lickin Lenny Around the Rim	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:19:00 - [45] Passive tanked ab-fitted interceptors will pwn them
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Vorga Gar Originally by: Zanarkus problem is the retribution still only has 1 mid. it will forever be useless in tis role as a heavy tackler because of this. and until it gets changed i will not be flying one... vengeance just... well... its made of fail, its trying to be something its not, and as the roles of an ASSAULT frigate goes its completely failed to meet its criteria. im amarr, with assaults lvl5 and i dont fly either, simply because they fail at their roles. end of story. Uhm, the Retribution never was intended as a heavy tackler, it's just there to do very heavy damage (on a frigate scale, that is). ive got my ret fitted with tracking enhancers and a tracking comp, all interceptors run or die when that first volley completely rips apart their shields
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.28 17:57:00 - [47] Dont have the skills on SISI to fly them. But here are the stats. Enyo M:1.171Mkg I:4.54 BSpeed: 278ms Ishkur M:1.216Mkg I:4.51 Bspeed: 287ms. Dont take me 100% on the numbers, wrote them down in a hurry. NO AB BOOST, faction and deadspace ones even got nerfed.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:02:00 - [48] Originally by: Dzajic NO AB BOOST, The dev blog never said there would be. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim! Or was that the other way around?
Megan Maynard Minmatar Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:11:00 - [49] So, the wolf might get some more teeth, that's a good thing. And the minmatar ceptors were in need of some love as all they could do was tackle. Small AC's really aren't long range at all, and arty's are PG hungry.
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:22:00 - [50] I'm fully aware that no AB boost was announced. But its not like it was not asked for (since forever)

Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.07.28 18:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Tranquil Hegemony poor old Retribution...never gets any luvin' ok, it aint a solo ship - but when your sniping at 70km im not complaining. I have one sitting in my hangar fitted for that right now. The vengeance is a monster for solo, the tank is BLING. ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Butterless Toast	Posted - 2008.07.28 21:31:00 - [52] Edited by: Butterless Toast on 28/07/2008 21:32:18 Since no one else was collecting numbers, I went and got some for a few of the ships to give people an idea of the changes we're dealing with. I have no clue how to calculate the speed when using an AB, so the numbers I got for the minnie AFs were direct results of testing. I only have complete numbers for them because those are the only AFs my SiSi copy can fly. First off, a few of the new mods and rigs: Polycarbon Engine Housing: ò +5.5% velocity ò -9.1% agility Nanofiber Internal Structure II: ò +9.4% velocity ò -15.8% intertia Overdrive II: ò +12.5% velocity Now, the new stats for a few of the ships, along with their old stats (displayed as new / old): Retribution ò Velocity: 278 / 240 ò Mass: 1,170,000 / 1,950,000 ò Inertia: 4.54 / 3.1 Harpy ò Velocity: 264 / 225 ò Mass: 1,155,000 / 2,125,000 ò Inertia: 4.12 / 2.6 Jaguar ò Velocity: 357 / 325 ò Mass: 1,366,000 / 1,750,000 ò Inertia: 3.73 / 3.1 Wolf ò Velocity: 329 / 295 ò Mass: 1,309,000 / 1,825,000 ò Inertia: 3.98 / 3.1 Trial velocities with the Jag and Wolf, using the new Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters (126% speed boost vs. the old 120%) and my SiSi copy's skills of Acceleration Control I and Navigation III: Jag ò AB alone: 847 ò Old w/ old Cold-gas: 688 ò AB w/ 3x new Nano IIs: 1056 Wolf ò AB alone: 793 ò Old w/ old Cold-gas: 615 ò AB w/ 3x new Nano IIs: 989 Does anyone know the formula for how to calculate the velocity gained from an AB / MWD? I can't figure out how "thrust" factors in.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.07.28 22:43:00 - [53] I fitted a Hawk up for a heavy tackle role and tried it on Sisi. The fit was: 4x Rocket II, small dim Nos AB II, Scrambler II, MSE II, SSB II DC II, MAPC 2x EM shield rigs Nos for neut defence and to keep point running. Focus on tank rather than gank. Nice shield buffer, nice passive regen, and the SSB can use excess cap from the Nos. AB gives ~820 m/s. First up was a Vaga. He was casually outspeeding me, but I was tanking him ok. We manoeuvred manually, he trying to cut transversal and I trying to get within 10.8 km scrambler range. He deployed drones - I started shooting them, then noticed that he was only ~12 km away. A burst of overheated AB and the scrambler hits him - as I got a face full of AC fire. But I just managed to get into a close manual orbit and kill the drones, with 11% hull and massive heat damage. After that it was just a case of grinding through shield... After that I tried against an Ishtar. He came straight for me and webbed and neuted me. I started on drones, running the SSB off the Nos, but without cap to run the AB I was casually popped by Berserkers.


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