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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox yeah i find it funny that alot of the whiners now once did say adapt or die. Good thing you dont need two webs to nail a mwder, if you get in range 1 web and 1 scrammer = 93-95% speed reduction from thier mwd speed, which is better than current webbers.
This point has been totally missed by most blaster point pilots. In fact you probably wont even need a webber, if your flying directly at your target, or steer to match his orbital path the transversal is going to be so minimal blaster turrets will track and hit.
Equally most blaster boats are gallente, the majority have drone bays, so you can always carry webbifier drones to help out - actually giving you a spare mid slot if you want.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 26/07/2008 09:32:34
Originally by: Admiral Farragut Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
Well,then feel free to quit the game anytime. Can we have your stuff? Just escrow it please.
Oh- and it doesnt feel good having your own words "adapt or die" used against you, eh? Tough $hit. I'll say it just for the cheap seats.....YOUR turn to adapt or DIE!
Have a nice day :)
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Wild Rho
Amarr Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: slothe ive played this game for 5 years
ive seen various fotm.
nanos are current fotm
i have flown nanos amongst other ships.
can i just say one thing
"adapt or die"
biggest whiners i have seen on balance are the nano pilots moaning about the changes, which tbh are getting tedious.
and if a nano pilot cannot understand why changes are necessary, he has no idea of game balance tbh.
the changes may see a tad harsh (because instead of just refining nanos, mwd, scramblers, afterburners are also looked at) but all will be good in the end.
the changes affect everyone.
if you put all your eggs in one basket / cross train for fotm, then you risk this happening in eve. in the past other ships have been hit badly, eg the gankaggeddon (everyone seemes to fly at one point) nosdominix (everyone flew) and other ships.
get over it / get overyourself.
Agreed with ole Slothe.
0.0 combat was well on its way to having roaming gangs consist of nothing but the same few ships. The new changes promote more diversity by making other ships viable and other module combinations much more viable (we may actually see some combat AB setups now that aren't dependant on high grade snake implants to function).
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 26/07/2008 10:44:44 I just "fly and avoid dying".
If one starts playing an MMO and expects things to stay the same/not change then there's more dilusion then in my new invention that will destroy those pesky Wrangler and Taera!...ahem i mean...stuff. *runs*
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: McDonALTs on 26/07/2008 10:46:10
Originally by: Admiral Farragut Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
Whats your point? The devs admit themselves that nano's were overpowered. Eve will evolve so Adapt or die. The dual MWD days are over. The 8 heatsink gankageddon days are over. The NOS droneship days are over. The WCS pvp days are over. The Nano Days are over.
Adapt....... Or Die.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:46:00 -
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I don't get it, why are the blaster pilots *****ing? If they're within scram range (say 9km) then... they're also within web and blaster range. ________
Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Equally most blaster boats are gallente, the majority have drone bays, so you can always carry webbifier drones to help out - actually giving you a spare mid slot if you want.
Yeah, it's not a blasterboat nerf, they just have to reduce their DPS in order to catch the same target after the changes go through.
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon I don't get it, why are the blaster pilots *****ing? If they're within scram range (say 9km) then... they're also within web and blaster range.
There are blasters other than BS size. -
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/07/2008 11:13:56 I've got Nav 5/Accel control 5, been speed tanking 90% of my roaming ship and... Adapt or die. Fetchez la vache !
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Stab Wounds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:17:00 -
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why do pvpers cry? because they use borderline exploits to grief people. tehre's more to this game than nanos.
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Cybele Lanier
Amarr The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:34:00 -
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The changes I like are good and necessary. If you could just stop whining for five minutes, you might learn how to adapt. The changes I dislike are evidence that EVE is going to the dogs and CCP has sold out to the whiners. And WoW is involved in some way, I'm not sure how. --------------- ""Minimum collateral damage" and "Entire star system" do not belong in the same sentence." |
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cybele Lanier The changes I like are good and necessary. If you could just stop whining for five minutes, you might learn how to adapt. The changes I dislike are evidence that EVE is going to the dogs and CCP has sold out to the whiners. And WoW is involved in some way, I'm not sure how.
QFT -
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Infinity111
Amarr Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana
Originally by: Admiral Farragut Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Pretty much this. the next time I hear an 'adapt or die' out of a caldari militia member, I swear I will find them and destroy them utterly...And their families.
adapt or die
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:39:00 -
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Just think like we Amarr have been told by our trainers for eons: Go rat or die.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
I'd like to answer you with a quote from the dev blog:
Quote: If one then takes a look at the max velocity on missiles and drones, it is readily apparent that our combat system was never designed for such speeds. Even when we did some basic tests on our internal servers, with special high-speed missiles, we quickly noticed Destiny (our physics engine) behaving very strangely.
How are we supposed to adapt to "broken" speeds if the engine is not actually capable of handling them in the first place? Can't you see the problem there?
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Enacta
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:53:00 -
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adapt or die? hehe well goood moorning:P, eve is all about adapting to situations, cose nothing is fixed in eve niether we want that, else megathron would be megathron no matter who flys it(its how u train/fit yours),
niether this so called nerfs, seriously its not nerf, what has been in eve is history and new ballance is THE CURRENT SITUATION (ENVIROMENT) to adapt to. should be taken as challange, btw im a nano pilot, nano nerf? bring it on,
ofc it will be a challange to manuver in new establish mechanics, scramb takeing out the mwd, hell yeah, see scramb is now 2 weapons in one, u see that as disadvantage, hek no, its a whole new weapon, more tactics involved, sweetness :P
but!!! alllll this going on! aint here to contribute to blobs or any no fun large fleet engagments, its bout lil ppl in skirmish gangs getting the fun of eve time, more sort of weapons, less speed more mates in gang, more small/med skirmish mates gangs flying round more encounters more victory, bigger the reward(fun/domination) and the reputation
as much my opinion is or isnt very understandable i think ccp is on right track, ballance yeah, make small skirmish gang double the challange than big nasty "screenshoot" no fun battles, i think in there u at least feel the speed and rush and skills and u do matter as part of squad
blah blah, love ya all, as my mateys says, i dont understand a word u saying, but i love ya :P
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Neill Kerry
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:02:00 -
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on second note: 3 on 1 is ok if u encounter faction/officier fited battleship, u need to fuel your ship, it costs. but personaly beating the odds, takeing out on bigger numbers liek 4 on 7, or 10 against 35 and wining as we do, thats a special touch, thats a battle that each of your mate in squad counts big time. u win souch fight no one cant take u that awesome feeling after u look at feeld of wrecks and few of u still standing, prrrrrrrr
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:07:00 -
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I can't wait for these changes to hit TQ; more variation in setups, more tactics, it will be like the good old days, only better. --------------
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Alurexar
Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:16:00 -
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adapt or die. This change was needed.
and yeh i do fly Nano's too _______________________________________________________
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Zinras
Caldari Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cybele Lanier The changes I like are good and necessary. If you could just stop whining for five minutes, you might learn how to adapt. The changes I dislike are evidence that EVE is going to the dogs and CCP has sold out to the whiners. And WoW is involved in some way, I'm not sure how.
You forgot Hello Kitty Online.
Everyone knows that Hilmar is actually a living Hello Kitty and makes these changes on a whim to **** people off and have them join his true game upon orders from the forum *****s
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:18:00 -
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It's nanoho's turn to pout and cry. Don't dissapoint . I luv your tearz, especially Tri's .
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: JVol
Originally by: Leandro Salazar Actually MWDs will most likely still be mandatory at least in 0.0 roaming, if only to burn out of bubbles or reapproach gates fast. But their usefulness for actual combat might be reduced, which is a good.
Will mwd's even work in bubbles now? From the way these changes are comming down they shouldnt.. AmI wrong? arent they warp dissruption bubbles?
""A Medium deployable self powered unit that prevents warping within its area of effect ""
I'm assuming not, even if you just look at the wording of the modules it should be self explanintory. I always tought warp scramblers should disable MWD. After all its got the 'warp' in the module name. Plus I think the changes should make for some interesting combat possibly. But none of us are psychics and will not now 100% until its out and running. So to the OP suck it up and try it out.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Highwind Cid I always tought warp scramblers should disable MWD. After all its got the 'warp' in the module name.
Epic failure for balancing modules based on their names. -
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:50:00 -
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dev already cleared that up. they say no, mwd's will not be affected by bubbles.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun EVE: Online
A new game every six months
Best post to date.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox yeah i find it funny that alot of the whiners now once did say adapt or die. Good thing you dont need two webs to nail a mwder, if you get in range 1 web and 1 scrammer = 93-95% speed reduction from thier mwd speed, which is better than current webbers.
omg I just wet my pant.
I can't wait.
I like it because if they have an afterburner instead you might wish you had the other web.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2008 14:18:58
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/07/2008 11:13:56 I've got Nav 5/Accel control 5, been speed tanking 90% of my roaming ship and... Adapt or die.
besides this change doens't effect you unless you fit to go 20,000m/s
your set up will most likely not change at all.
also everyone is this thread get over the assembly hall and sign for the nerf. or else the other thread will win.
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Leon 026
Caldari Vorace.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Leon 026 on 26/07/2008 14:25:09 Nanofgts told everyone else to adapt or die to their tactics. Now its time to walk the talk.
...except this time, "adapting" involves whining.
Any real skirmish pilot would've forseen the nerfing and made provisions to make up for it. Over-reliance on a one-trick tactic seems to be common.
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Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:30:00 -
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The reason people are telling you nano pilots to "Adapt or die" is... well, every "nano whine" thread resulted in "Adapt or Die" being spewed by nano pilots.
Now it's the nano's turn to adapt. And you're no longer, spewing adapt or die, for some reason...
Instead, now it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah the sky is falling the sky is falling.
It's rather delicious to prove that your "Adapt or Die" mentality only applies when it's other people doing the adapting.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:36:00 -
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To those who say "adapt or die:"
NO U!!!1111eleven ___________________________________________
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Veldya
Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
I find it ironic that that is all I ever heard from nano***s when I complained that rockets do zero damage to nano ships moving at engagement speed.
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