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Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:23:00 -
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Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
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Demiurge Ialdaboth
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:27:00 -
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I disagree, with the nerf viable ship options for PvP'ers greatly increase because your fit does not revolve around an MWD.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:29:00 -
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yeah i find it funny that alot of the whiners now once did say adapt or die. Good thing you dont need two webs to nail a mwder, if you get in range 1 web and 1 scrammer = 93-95% speed reduction from thier mwd speed, which is better than current webbers.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Hoo on 26/07/2008 07:30:45
 Originally by: Demiurge Ialdaboth
I disagree, with the nerf viable ship options for PvP'ers greatly increase because your fit does not revolve around an MWD.
this.
A game based around customizing your ship with various types of modules isn't good when single modules become mandatory and aren't meant to be like that
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:32:00 -
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MMmhhmm,
Nano is getting what Nos got and for exactly the same reason.
An MWD became a required module for most ships in PVP, just like a Nos. Now it's getting a nerf. It's been a long time coming now that it's here it's not the end of all nano life. It's just the end of the patently absurd stuff.
Look at what they are doing, a MWD can be deactivated, but only at close range. Most nano ships already avoid close range.
An interceptor can now tackle nearly any nano ship but it will need someone to kill said tackled nano. Hey 2v1 should usually win that's the whole point of bringing a friend. Will that mean blobs? No more than it already does. People blob because numbers trump nearly everything. That's true in every pvp game.
People will still solo and look for small gang fights. Why? Because those fights are fun and people like fun.
As for the adapt or die crap. Everyone who complains about anything will get told adapt or die, cold harsh universe and can I have your stuff? Now that it's your turn to adapt being told to adapt is hypocritical?
Can I have your stuff?
-Galan
The answer to empire ganking |
Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:36:00 -
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hey i keep adapting im quite flexible because of it now.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:40:00 -
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And who's to say that combat won't be richer since more ships are needed with differente roles and more strategy and tactics are needed.
No one knows because we can't test it yet so saying that the game is ruined or will be better is all useless speculation
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
And who's to say that combat won't be richer since more ships are needed with differente roles and more strategy and tactics are needed.
No one knows because we can't test it yet so saying that the game is ruined or will be better is all useless speculation
Ahh but when he says "The game is ruined" what he actually means is "my game is ruined" because he's been training for the FOTM and no one told him that the devs watch to see what everyone is training and what everyone is fitting and that when everyone does the same thing, carriers, nos, mwd...whatever, that thing gets a nasty nerfing. It's why the Caldari tend to suck, too many people play em.
-Galan
The answer to empire ganking |
Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: Vaal Erit
And who's to say that combat won't be richer since more ships are needed with differente roles and more strategy and tactics are needed.
No one knows because we can't test it yet so saying that the game is ruined or will be better is all useless speculation
Ahh but when he says "The game is ruined" what he actually means is "my game is ruined" because he's been training for the FOTM and no one told him that the devs watch to see what everyone is training and what everyone is fitting and that when everyone does the same thing, carriers, nos, mwd...whatever, that thing gets a nasty nerfing. It's why the Caldari tend to suck, too many people play em.
-Galan
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:55:00 -
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"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
Seriously, get over your self, and realize that all game design decisions are taken by CCP alone and they ultimately decides how the playing field is laid out and what aspects to promote and not. The rest of us have two options: Stay on the ride or get off.
I must be getting old because I have lost track on how many times CCP has re-evaluated game play aspects with significant changes, giving hundreds of forum bickering posts quite like the OP here.
And yet, subscriptions continue to increase.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:59:00 -
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Actually MWDs will most likely still be mandatory at least in 0.0 roaming, if only to burn out of bubbles or reapproach gates fast.
But their usefulness for actual combat might be reduced, which is a good.
And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
all game design decisions are taken by CCP alone and they ultimately decides how the playing field is laid out and what aspects to promote and not. The rest of us have two options: Stay on the ride or get off.
Right, which is why in the dev blog they told us they need our help to evaluate decisions... |
Galan Amarias
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.26 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Galan Amarias on 26/07/2008 08:03:58
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Did you not read the part where I said I don't fly nanos?
Yes but I don't believe you.
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Edit,
Interestingly the only entries for you on Battleclinic are a couple pods so aparently you don't fly your main on the forrums.
Put up or shut up?
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Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Did you not read the part where I said I don't fly nanos?
Yes but I don't believe you.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 26/07/2008 08:05:41
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
all game design decisions are taken by CCP alone and they ultimately decides how the playing field is laid out and what aspects to promote and not. The rest of us have two options: Stay on the ride or get off.
Right, which is why in the dev blog they told us they need our help to evaluate decisions...
Yes, in the same way that rats in labs are used to evaluate different kinds of medical treatments.
EDIT: Except the rats do not have the option of getting off the ride though.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Pretty much this. the next time I hear an 'adapt or die' out of a caldari militia member, I swear I will find them and destroy them utterly...And their families.
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Buff Plankchest
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:07:00 -
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I've always said adapt or die, I can't wait to see how this changes things 
I am a nano ***** 
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Dzajic
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:09:00 -
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Kill the nanoes (but leave Minnie ships able to be as fast as a class smaller ships of othe races), save the blasterboats.
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Demiurge Ialdaboth
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:18:00 -
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I've always felt that be all and end all ship fits were detrimental to the game, when everyone fits an MWD because speed = the best defence you only encourage one particular playstyle wherein the ones with the best speed mods and skills win every battle.
I hope this change encourages new strategies where varied ship fittings complement each other and add to the overall group. I think an additional change to the gang mechanic to limit the usefulness of a large group by adding deminishing returns per gang member would encourage smaller but more versatile gangs where every ship is vital to the gang's survival and not just another speed boat orbiting a tackled target.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Did you not read the part where I said I don't fly nanos?
Yes but I don't believe you.
Lol. too bad.
There is nothing bad about it, but you missed my edit.
Sufice to say, I don't believe you and there is no reason I should when you are alt posting, bring your main, link some kills and we'll see what you fly. Otherwise it's pretty obvious you are a nanobunny and can I have your stuff?
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slothe
Caldari
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:28:00 -
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ive played this game for 5 years
ive seen various fotm.
nanos are current fotm
i have flown nanos amongst other ships.
can i just say one thing
"adapt or die"
biggest whiners i have seen on balance are the nano pilots moaning about the changes, which tbh are getting tedious.
and if a nano pilot cannot understand why changes are necessary, he has no idea of game balance tbh.
the changes may see a tad harsh (because instead of just refining nanos, mwd, scramblers, afterburners are also looked at) but all will be good in the end.
the changes affect everyone.
if you put all your eggs in one basket / cross train for fotm, then you risk this happening in eve. in the past other ships have been hit badly, eg the gankaggeddon (everyone seemes to fly at one point) nosdominix (everyone flew) and other ships.
get over it / get overyourself.
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Danjira Ryuujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dzajic
save the blasterboats.
I would like to share some advice that has been passed down through the brotherhood of caldari pilots: "Bring a tackler".
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:36:00 -
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EVE: Online
A new game every six months 
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:36:00 -
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I think it is safe to assume that the Matari speed boats will still be the zoom-zoom compared to the rest. Hell, most of them can outpace an Amarr MWD ship using an afterburners.
Same applies to blaster ships and any ship that has is primary function/feature modified (I am looking at you Min/Gal recons).
CCP may make some unpopular decisions but does anyone really want to return to pre-nos tweak game play or how about the pre-stacking gameplay?
Besides, they are "proposed changes", as in not final. Everyone with concerns should do their duty and hop onto SiSi to help with testing.
CCP got the same response when they wanted to change the Thorax hulls, but testing proved that it was *******s and changes were scrapped, so they are not complete imbeciles.
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Shiho Weitong
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin
Originally by: Dzajic
save the blasterboats.
I would like to share some advice that has been passed down through the brotherhood of caldari pilots: "Bring a tackler".
No actually it's more like: "Bring drones, the living kind, and call them fodder." ^^
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
You're not from Knoxville by any chance are you?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero!  /me bows
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JVol
Amarr
The IMorral MAjority
Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
ive played this game for 5 years
ive seen various fotm.
nanos are current fotm
i have flown nanos amongst other ships.
can i just say one thing
"adapt or die"
biggest whiners i have seen on balance are the nano pilots moaning about the changes, which tbh are getting tedious.
and if a nano pilot cannot understand why changes are necessary, he has no idea of game balance tbh.
the changes may see a tad harsh (because instead of just refining nanos, mwd, scramblers, afterburners are also looked at) but all will be good in the end.
the changes affect everyone.
if you put all your eggs in one basket / cross train for fotm, then you risk this happening in eve. in the past other ships have been hit badly, eg the gankaggeddon (everyone seemes to fly at one point) nosdominix (everyone flew) and other ships.
get over it / get overyourself.
/ signed.... Bravo brother, bravo!!
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JVol
Amarr
The IMorral MAjority
Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.07.26 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Actually MWDs will most likely still be mandatory at least in 0.0 roaming, if only to burn out of bubbles or reapproach gates fast.
But their usefulness for actual combat might be reduced, which is a good.
Will mwd's even work in bubbles now? From the way these changes are comming down they shouldnt.. AmI wrong? arent they warp dissruption bubbles?
""A Medium deployable self powered unit that prevents warping within its area of effect ""
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:07:00 -
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they will.
see devblog...bubble range might be decreased cause of slower BS MWD speeds...so MWD should still work there
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mishkof
Caldari
Finis Lumen
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
ive played this game for 5 years
ive seen various fotm.
nanos are current fotm
i have flown nanos amongst other ships.
can i just say one thing
"adapt or die"
biggest whiners i have seen on balance are the nano pilots moaning about the changes, which tbh are getting tedious.
and if a nano pilot cannot understand why changes are necessary, he has no idea of game balance tbh.
the changes may see a tad harsh (because instead of just refining nanos, mwd, scramblers, afterburners are also looked at) but all will be good in the end.
the changes affect everyone.
if you put all your eggs in one basket / cross train for fotm, then you risk this happening in eve. in the past other ships have been hit badly, eg the gankaggeddon (everyone seemes to fly at one point) nosdominix (everyone flew) and other ships.
get over it / get overyourself.
/signed
Looks like some alliances and corps are gonna have to give scanner and scouting classes. I will enjoy the best pilots being assets as scouts again, not just the guy who does 10k +.
I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
yeah i find it funny that alot of the whiners now once did say adapt or die. Good thing you dont need two webs to nail a mwder, if you get in range 1 web and 1 scrammer = 93-95% speed reduction from thier mwd speed, which is better than current webbers.
This point has been totally missed by most blaster point pilots. In fact you probably wont even need a webber, if your flying directly at your target, or steer to match his orbital path the transversal is going to be so minimal blaster turrets will track and hit.
Equally most blaster boats are gallente, the majority have drone bays, so you can always carry webbifier drones to help out - actually giving you a spare mid slot if you want.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic
Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.07.26 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Arlenna Molatov on 26/07/2008 09:32:34
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
Well,then feel free to quit the game anytime. Can we have your stuff? Just escrow it please.
Oh- and it doesnt feel good having your own words "adapt or die" used against you, eh? Tough $hit. I'll say it just for the cheap seats.....YOUR turn to adapt or DIE!
Have a nice day :)
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
ive played this game for 5 years
ive seen various fotm.
nanos are current fotm
i have flown nanos amongst other ships.
can i just say one thing
"adapt or die"
biggest whiners i have seen on balance are the nano pilots moaning about the changes, which tbh are getting tedious.
and if a nano pilot cannot understand why changes are necessary, he has no idea of game balance tbh.
the changes may see a tad harsh (because instead of just refining nanos, mwd, scramblers, afterburners are also looked at) but all will be good in the end.
the changes affect everyone.
if you put all your eggs in one basket / cross train for fotm, then you risk this happening in eve. in the past other ships have been hit badly, eg the gankaggeddon (everyone seemes to fly at one point) nosdominix (everyone flew) and other ships.
get over it / get overyourself.
Agreed with ole Slothe.
0.0 combat was well on its way to having roaming gangs consist of nothing but the same few ships. The new changes promote more diversity by making other ships viable and other module combinations much more viable (we may actually see some combat AB setups now that aren't dependant on high grade snake implants to function).
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:44:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 26/07/2008 10:44:44
I just "fly and avoid dying".
If one starts playing an MMO and expects things to stay the same/not change then there's more dilusion then in my new invention that will destroy those pesky Wrangler and Taera!...ahem i mean...stuff. *runs*
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:45:00 -
[35]
Edited by: McDonALTs on 26/07/2008 10:46:10
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
Whats your point? The devs admit themselves that nano's were overpowered. Eve will evolve so Adapt or die. The dual MWD days are over. The 8 heatsink gankageddon days are over. The NOS droneship days are over. The WCS pvp days are over. The Nano Days are over.
Adapt....... Or Die.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:46:00 -
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I don't get it, why are the blaster pilots *****ing? If they're within scram range (say 9km) then... they're also within web and blaster range.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.26 10:56:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Cailais
Equally most blaster boats are gallente, the majority have drone bays, so you can always carry webbifier drones to help out - actually giving you a spare mid slot if you want.
Yeah, it's not a blasterboat nerf, they just have to reduce their DPS in order to catch the same target after the changes go through.
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
I don't get it, why are the blaster pilots *****ing? If they're within scram range (say 9km) then... they're also within web and blaster range.
There are blasters other than BS size.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:13:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/07/2008 11:13:56
I've got Nav 5/Accel control 5, been speed tanking 90% of my roaming ship and... Adapt or die.
Fetchez la vache !
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Stab Wounds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:17:00 -
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why do pvpers cry? because they use borderline exploits to grief people. tehre's more to this game than nanos.
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Cybele Lanier
Amarr
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:34:00 -
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The changes I like are good and necessary. If you could just stop whining for five minutes, you might learn how to adapt. The changes I dislike are evidence that EVE is going to the dogs and CCP has sold out to the whiners. And WoW is involved in some way, I'm not sure how.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:35:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Cybele Lanier
The changes I like are good and necessary. If you could just stop whining for five minutes, you might learn how to adapt. The changes I dislike are evidence that EVE is going to the dogs and CCP has sold out to the whiners. And WoW is involved in some way, I'm not sure how.
QFT
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Infinity111
Amarr
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:35:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Nikita Alterana
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Pretty much this. the next time I hear an 'adapt or die' out of a caldari militia member, I swear I will find them and destroy them utterly...And their families.
adapt or die 
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:39:00 -
[43]
Just think like we Amarr have been told by our trainers for eons: Go rat or die.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:45:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
I'd like to answer you with a quote from the dev blog:
Quote:
If one then takes a look at the max velocity on missiles and drones, it is readily apparent that our combat system was never designed for such speeds. Even when we did some basic tests on our internal servers, with special high-speed missiles, we quickly noticed Destiny (our physics engine) behaving very strangely.
How are we supposed to adapt to "broken" speeds if the engine is not actually capable of handling them in the first place? Can't you see the problem there? 
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Enacta
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Posted - 2008.07.26 11:53:00 -
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adapt or die? hehe well goood moorning:P, eve is all about adapting to situations, cose nothing is fixed in eve niether we want that, else megathron would be megathron no matter who flys it(its how u train/fit yours),
niether this so called nerfs, seriously its not nerf, what has been in eve is history and new ballance is THE CURRENT SITUATION (ENVIROMENT) to adapt to. should be taken as challange, btw im a nano pilot, nano nerf? bring it on,
ofc it will be a challange to manuver in new establish mechanics, scramb takeing out the mwd, hell yeah, see scramb is now 2 weapons in one, u see that as disadvantage, hek no, its a whole new weapon, more tactics involved, sweetness :P
but!!!
alllll this going on! aint here to contribute to blobs or any no fun large fleet engagments, its bout lil ppl in skirmish gangs getting the fun of eve time, more sort of weapons, less speed more mates in gang, more small/med skirmish mates gangs flying round more encounters more victory, bigger the reward(fun/domination) and the reputation
as much my opinion is or isnt very understandable i think ccp is on right track, ballance yeah, make small skirmish gang double the challange than big nasty "screenshoot" no fun battles, i think in there u at least feel the speed and rush and skills and u do matter as part of squad
blah blah, love ya all, as my mateys says, i dont understand a word u saying, but i love ya :P
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:02:00 -
[46]
on second note: 3 on 1 is ok if u encounter faction/officier fited battleship, u need to fuel your ship, it costs. but personaly beating the odds, takeing out on bigger numbers liek 4 on 7, or 10 against 35 and wining as we do, thats a special touch, thats a battle that each of your mate in squad counts big time. u win souch fight no one cant take u that awesome feeling after u look at feeld of wrecks and few of u still standing, prrrrrrrr
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:07:00 -
[47]
I can't wait for these changes to hit TQ; more variation in setups, more tactics, it will be like the good old days, only better.
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Alurexar
Celestial Ascension
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:16:00 -
[48]
adapt or die. This change was needed.
and yeh i do fly Nano's too
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Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.07.26 12:26:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Cybele Lanier
The changes I like are good and necessary. If you could just stop whining for five minutes, you might learn how to adapt. The changes I dislike are evidence that EVE is going to the dogs and CCP has sold out to the whiners. And WoW is involved in some way, I'm not sure how.
You forgot Hello Kitty Online.
Everyone knows that Hilmar is actually a living Hello Kitty and makes these changes on a whim to **** people off and have them join his true game upon orders from the forum *****s
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
That si a fact comming out from my bran.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:18:00 -
[50]
It's nanoho's turn to pout and cry. Don't dissapoint . I luv your tearz, especially Tri's  .
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:43:00 -
[51]
Originally by: JVol
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Actually MWDs will most likely still be mandatory at least in 0.0 roaming, if only to burn out of bubbles or reapproach gates fast.
But their usefulness for actual combat might be reduced, which is a good.
Will mwd's even work in bubbles now? From the way these changes are comming down they shouldnt.. AmI wrong? arent they warp dissruption bubbles?
""A Medium deployable self powered unit that prevents warping within its area of effect ""
I'm assuming not, even if you just look at the wording of the modules it should be self explanintory. I always tought warp scramblers should disable MWD. After all its got the 'warp' in the module name. Plus I think the changes should make for some interesting combat possibly. But none of us are psychics and will not now 100% until its out and running. So to the OP suck it up and try it out.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:49:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Highwind Cid
I always tought warp scramblers should disable MWD. After all its got the 'warp' in the module name.
Epic failure for balancing modules based on their names.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:50:00 -
[53]
dev already cleared that up. they say no, mwd's will not be affected by bubbles.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.26 13:56:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
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Best post to date.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:15:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Nova Fox
yeah i find it funny that alot of the whiners now once did say adapt or die. Good thing you dont need two webs to nail a mwder, if you get in range 1 web and 1 scrammer = 93-95% speed reduction from thier mwd speed, which is better than current webbers.
omg I just wet my pant.
I can't wait.
I like it because if they have an afterburner instead you might wish you had the other web.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:17:00 -
[56]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2008 14:18:58
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 26/07/2008 11:13:56
I've got Nav 5/Accel control 5, been speed tanking 90% of my roaming ship and... Adapt or die.
besides this change doens't effect you unless you fit to go 20,000m/s
your set up will most likely not change at all.
also everyone is this thread get over the assembly hall and sign for the nerf. or else the other thread will win.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Vorace.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:23:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Leon 026 on 26/07/2008 14:25:09
Nanofgts told everyone else to adapt or die to their tactics. Now its time to walk the talk.
...except this time, "adapting" involves whining.
Any real skirmish pilot would've forseen the nerfing and made provisions to make up for it. Over-reliance on a one-trick tactic seems to be common.
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Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:30:00 -
[58]
The reason people are telling you nano pilots to "Adapt or die" is... well, every "nano whine" thread resulted in "Adapt or Die" being spewed by nano pilots.
Now it's the nano's turn to adapt. And you're no longer, spewing adapt or die, for some reason...
Instead, now it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah the sky is falling the sky is falling.
It's rather delicious to prove that your "Adapt or Die" mentality only applies when it's other people doing the adapting.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:36:00 -
[59]
To those who say "adapt or die:"
NO U!!!1111eleven
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Veldya
Caldari
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.07.26 14:52:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Admiral Farragut
Many of you guys are telling other players who are upset about the nano nerf to "adapt or die". I find this ironic because the only reason this change is getting brought about is that many of you could not adapt to kill the fast ships in the first place. Stop being hypocritcal.
Also, I am disturbed at what this game is going to become with this new nerf. I think that the viable ship options for pvpers is going to diminish greatly, and that the new FotM is going to be remote repping bs's with many falcons for support. This kind of warfare is not exciting to me... but hey, i am not the one "balancing" the game.
Also, before you say that I am whining because my ship is going to get nerfed, realize this. I can fly nanos, but I hardly ever do. I instead enjoy fighting against nano gangs though, and the thought of fighting against huge blobs instead of nano gangs makes me a sad panda.
I find it ironic that that is all I ever heard from nano***s when I complained that rockets do zero damage to nano ships moving at engagement speed.
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LastTraitorStanding
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:00:00 -
[61]
The "Waaaahh" is strong with this thread.
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Semper ubi sub ubi
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:25:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
EVE: Online
A new game every six months
This is so sadly true.
Dont bother to set yourself training goals; dont train for anything specific, your gonna get hit with the nerf bat (usualy sooner rather than later)
GO GO ALL T2 weapons and ships, a nice 2 year train time to avoid your character being under par when your shipclass/race gets its turn in the "whining inspired dev loving lottery"
Dont bother seting virtaul material targets by investing billions in pods/ships/fittings as a few hundred whiners with 50M ISK drakes will have the game changed so they dont have to skill up/learn how to fly.
Dont bother thinking outside the "sand"box either; The sandbox is getting smaller and smaller, and f00king huge walls built round it.
waste. of. time.
And in answer to the common question. No; stuff is already earmarked for folks I know in game.
Tears are already mixed with rum and drank down while singing a hearty sea shanty.
(I will excerice my sub money to whine on the forums; seems to be where the real game is played)
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:25:00 -
[63]
Originally by: LastTraitorStanding
The "Waaaahh" is strong with this thread.
The fail with your tacklers is srong young one.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:30:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Demiurge Ialdaboth
I disagree, with the nerf viable ship options for PvP'ers greatly increase because your fit does not revolve around an MWD.
Ship fits universally fit a mwd not because of nanos, but because of bubbles.
No mwd? Ok, you die at the first gatecamp.
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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:35:00 -
[65]
CCP does it again, while we're at it lets go ahead with that carrier nerf to.
You are taking away the only defence against a ridiculous blob. My particular hesitation about the patch is scramblers turning off mwd, sure it may make sense on the drawing board but who the hell cares. Its absolutely ridiculous, arazu's and lachesis's will be unbelievably overpowered. If you want to reduce speed, fine, but for gods sake dont overstep the mark like you always seem to do.
If something is tipped one way on your balancing scales u just move the same weight to the otherside. People moan about speed and all this other crap but all you are doing is promoting numbers in an environment that cannot handle them.
Again i find myself asking whether these changes are brought about by people who play/know the game or people who think logic+imagination (ie. huge fleet fights are epic and lag free) = fun.
Normally i dont like to complain eve is a very unique game, but these kinds of decisions just turn this game upside down, small combat is being eroded away by blobs and lag and these kinds of nerf just twist the knife.
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Shubs
Gallente
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:41:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Darknesss
CCP does it again, while we're at it lets go ahead with that carrier nerf to.
You are taking away the only defence against a ridiculous blob. My particular hesitation about the patch is scramblers turning off mwd, sure it may make sense on the drawing board but who the hell cares. Its absolutely ridiculous, arazu's and lachesis's will be unbelievably overpowered. If you want to reduce speed, fine, but for gods sake dont overstep the mark like you always seem to do.
If something is tipped one way on your balancing scales u just move the same weight to the otherside. People moan about speed and all this other crap but all you are doing is promoting numbers in an environment that cannot handle them.
Again i find myself asking whether these changes are brought about by people who play/know the game or people who think logic+imagination (ie. huge fleet fights are epic and lag free) = fun.
Normally i dont like to complain eve is a very unique game, but these kinds of decisions just turn this game upside down, small combat is being eroded away by blobs and lag and these kinds of nerf just twist the knife.
This /Signed....
Pack it up, Pack it in, come on let it begin!
*- Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo -*
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:46:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 26/07/2008 15:46:27
Only defense against a blob?
What about a blob of nano's you toon?
Defense agaisnt a 'blob' is avoiding the frickin blob, using scouts to dodge camped systems, and being smart about choosing targets in a non-nano world.
If you're sitting there, with your gang, playing 'you cant catch me' to a 50 man 'blob' on a gate, are you really playing the game? Wouldnt it be better if everyone didnt have to resort to the same low slot/rig setup??? People began to tank again??? Use scouts to see if there's a camp in the next system??? Use--gasp--frigates again to go fast?
These nano'ers have not a god damned argument.
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Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:54:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 26/07/2008 15:46:27
Only defense against a blob?
What about a blob of nano's you toon?
Defense agaisnt a 'blob' is avoiding the frickin blob, using scouts to dodge camped systems, and being smart about choosing targets in a non-nano world.
If you're sitting there, with your gang, playing 'you cant catch me' to a 50 man 'blob' on a gate, are you really playing the game? Wouldnt it be better if everyone didnt have to resort to the same low slot/rig setup??? People began to tank again??? Use scouts to see if there's a camp in the next system??? Use--gasp--frigates again to go fast?
These nano'ers have not a god damned argument.
right, frigates still go fast I don't see the issue here.
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Murdoch Morf
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:56:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Darknesss
Edited by: Darknesss on 26/07/2008 15:44:20
CCP does it again, while we're at it lets go ahead with that carrier nerf to.
You are taking away the only defence against a ridiculous blob. My particular hesitation about the patch is scramblers turning off mwd, sure it may make sense on the drawing board but who the hell cares. Its absolutely ridiculous, arazu's and lachesis's will be unbelievably overpowered. If you want to reduce speed, fine, but for gods sake dont overstep the mark like you always seem to do.
If something is tipped one way on your balancing scales u just move the same weight to the otherside. People moan about speed and all this other crap but all you are doing is promoting numbers in an environment that cannot handle them.
Normally i dont like to complain eve is a very unique game, but these kinds of decisions just turn this game upside down, small combat is being eroded away by blobs and lag and these kinds of nerf just twist the knife.
edit: im fine with you reducing speed a bit, say 10-15% maybe a bit more, but like i said its never just a slight alteration its just shifting weights.
Signed
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AshtarDJ
Filthy Scum
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Posted - 2008.07.26 15:57:00 -
[70]
In my oppinion this nano-nerf comming is the best balance made to this game since they removed the cruise kestrels. Now a "normal" pvp gang will be made of more then 5 types of hacs and 2 types of recons. Keep up the good work CCP!!!!!
Next - remove the capitals from the game so ppl can go back to having fun in 0.0 again...
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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:00:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 26/07/2008 15:46:27
Only defense against a blob?
What about a blob of nano's you toon?
Defense agaisnt a 'blob' is avoiding the frickin blob, using scouts to dodge camped systems, and being smart about choosing targets in a non-nano world.
If you're sitting there, with your gang, playing 'you cant catch me' to a 50 man 'blob' on a gate, are you really playing the game? Wouldnt it be better if everyone didnt have to resort to the same low slot/rig setup??? People began to tank again??? Use scouts to see if there's a camp in the next system??? Use--gasp--frigates again to go fast?
These nano'ers have not a god damned argument.
You're stuck in the past, that would have been fine about 2 years ago, with the current eve population no it doesnt work you will have gangs staring at eachother through a stargate.
Im actually a huge fan of slow moving tankable ships but you theory drawing board guys dont have a clue, the game you talk of only exists in your heads, taking 2 large gangs against eachother isnt much fun at all, its a bit of a coin flip really.
Nano ships die all the time, there are already methods to combat it, ontop of that people pay for the privilige of their speed at a very high cost, yet those ships do still get caught out.
I wish it wasnt this way but an eve filled with slow tanking ships isnt an eve at all. Now i know this isnt a COMPLETE speed nerf but its too much and too soon, its changing the shape of eve combat in 1 move.
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Shubs
Gallente
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:11:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 26/07/2008 15:46:27
Only defense against a blob?
What about a blob of nano's you toon?
Defense agaisnt a 'blob' is avoiding the frickin blob, using scouts to dodge camped systems, and being smart about choosing targets in a non-nano world.
If you're sitting there, with your gang, playing 'you cant catch me' to a 50 man 'blob' on a gate, are you really playing the game? Wouldnt it be better if everyone didnt have to resort to the same low slot/rig setup??? People began to tank again??? Use scouts to see if there's a camp in the next system??? Use--gasp--frigates again to go fast?
These nano'ers have not a god damned argument.
Quiet Tool
Pack it up, Pack it in, come on let it begin!
*- Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo -*
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Canock
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:17:00 -
[73]
EVEolution
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Napro
Caldari
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:17:00 -
[74]
Can someone explain to me how Nanos can both prevent blobs and "only" require falcons, rapiers, battleships with Neuts, etc. to be countered at the same time?
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Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:21:00 -
[75]
The arazu is now overpowered, because it can reduce your speed by 85% at shorter range than the rapier can use it's webs?
And the rapier has not been overpowered for all this time, reducing your speed by 99% (2 webs, you cant stack scrams to turn off MWD twice), at a longer range?
There us a delicious amount of "waah" in this thread. If you're so obsessed with speed and agility, use a frigate. You shouldn't get a 5 km/s ship that does 500 DPS with a decent tank due to resists / shield extenders.
Speed and "nano" tactics are still viable for the ships they were intended for: Frigates. HACs no longer take over the frigates role.
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Delichon
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:23:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
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This is going straight into my sig, thanks :)
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The Night Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.26 16:42:00 -
[77]
"Adapt or die" is a corollary of "EVE is a cold, harsh place." We all can disagree about the implementation of the two, but it's an undeniable fact.
So I would argue that it's hypocritical to claim that nerfs are bad, per se. A nerf is a nerf. Deal with it.
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Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:03:00 -
[78]
ITT:
;-; I trained FOTM instead of what I like, now it's nerfed, and I can't keep flying these ships because I must now train the new FOTM.
I don't enjoy my ships enough to fly them now  I only trained them because everyone else was nano-ing.
Halp.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:12:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/07/2008 17:14:09
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/07/2008 17:13:09
Originally by: Sorted
Dont bother to set yourself training goals; dont train for anything specific, your gonna get hit with the nerf bat
Investing in something very popular has always been a good way to lose your investment. Over-specialization was always risky too, even though it can provide better payoff for a while.
However, in EvE, your skillpoints towards certain things can always easily be used towards something else.
Hey, you trained Minmatar specifically for a Vagabond and now are training something else of a different race, you wasted, what, 3M SP at most (all other stuff like generic gunneries, navigations etc translate to all races). And that's if you were dumb enough to train a race for just one ship.
Also, if you fail to see the ways to adapt to this change, it just means you have no imagination and were a FOTM follower.
I thought anti-nano whiners sucked because of their horrible failure to adapt, but nano whiners suck equally bad for their failure to adapt tbh.
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Upright
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:20:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Aria Seniste
Speed and "nano" tactics are still viable for the ships they were intended for: Frigates. HACs no longer take over the frigates role.
So what role should HACs have?
DPS and tank?
I can out DPS, out tank a HAC in a insurable ship for third of the price.
So what the hell should i do in my HAC now?
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Syniztur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:23:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
And who's to say that combat won't be 'laggier' since more blobs are needed with different roles and more blob-strategy and blob-tactics are needed.
Fixed 4 u. 
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:24:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Upright
Originally by: Aria Seniste
Speed and "nano" tactics are still viable for the ships they were intended for: Frigates. HACs no longer take over the frigates role.
So what the hell should i do in my HAC now?
rely on cruiser speed+signature radius while having nearly BC gank/tank. Its a big advantage over BCs post-patch
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Mrs Amadeus
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:26:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Upright
Originally by: Aria Seniste
Speed and "nano" tactics are still viable for the ships they were intended for: Frigates. HACs no longer take over the frigates role.
So what role should HACs have?
DPS and tank?
I can out DPS, out tank a HAC in a insurable ship for third of the price.
So what the hell should i do in my HAC now?
I think this more points to issues with battlecruisers than HACs.
When all the tier 2 BCs came out they just stomped on alot of HAC roles.
This speed nerf is an important first step... I think signature radius should be boosted in importance so that there is a decent divide between applicable targets for weapon classes.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:29:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Mrs Amadeus
This speed nerf is an important first step... I think signature radius should be boosted in importance so that there is a decent divide between applicable targets for weapon classes.
Importance of Signature WILL be much higher with the "introduction" of viable Afterburner Fittings.
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Upright
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:31:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Upright on 26/07/2008 17:32:15
Are u guys serious?
Really are u f****n serious?
Agreed about Tier 2 BC, but it is a eg. Of how with this nerf a lot of other things will need to be nerfed, and others boosted, for this to work anywhere near properly.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:36:00 -
[86]
Apparently the devs don't realize that very few people have t2 polycarbons or snake sets  All the idiot nano-whiners seem to think that ships are hitting like 5 km/s+. Barring the vagabond and interceptors, the average nano-ship with a good fit and good skills will go 3.5-4 km/s IN A STRAIGHT LINE (much less orbit, thus why you have to manually control it). That is not only very killable, but it shows that the devs haven't a clue and they just used all the snazzy stuff to construct a flawed argument.
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:45:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Matrix Skye on 26/07/2008 17:49:52
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Demiurge Ialdaboth
I disagree, with the nerf viable ship options for PvP'ers greatly increase because your fit does not revolve around an MWD.
Ship fits universally fit a mwd not because of nanos, but because of bubbles.
No mwd? Ok, you die at the first gatecamp.
use a scout 
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:47:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Darknesss
Edited by: Darknesss on 26/07/2008 15:44:20
CCP does it again, while we're at it lets go ahead with that carrier nerf to.
You are taking away the only defence against a ridiculous blob. My particular hesitation about the patch is scramblers turning off mwd, sure it may make sense on the drawing board but who the hell cares. Its absolutely ridiculous, arazu's and lachesis's will be unbelievably overpowered. If you want to reduce speed, fine, but for gods sake dont overstep the mark like you always seem to do.
If something is tipped one way on your balancing scales u just move the same weight to the otherside. People moan about speed and all this other crap but all you are doing is promoting numbers in an environment that cannot handle them.
Again i find myself asking whether these changes are brought about by people who play/know the game or people who think logic+imagination (ie. huge fleet fights are epic and lag free) = fun.
Normally i dont like to complain eve is a very unique game, but these kinds of decisions just turn this game upside down, small combat is being eroded away by blobs and lag and these kinds of nerf just twist the knife.
edit: im fine with you reducing speed a bit, say 10-15% maybe a bit more, but like i said its never just a slight alteration its just shifting weights.
itll be hard for triumvirate, but you'll get over it 
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.26 17:56:00 -
[89]
Edited by: McDonALTs on 26/07/2008 17:56:59
Originally by: Darknesss
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 26/07/2008 15:46:27
Only defense against a blob?
What about a blob of nano's you toon?
Defense agaisnt a 'blob' is avoiding the frickin blob, using scouts to dodge camped systems, and being smart about choosing targets in a non-nano world.
If you're sitting there, with your gang, playing 'you cant catch me' to a 50 man 'blob' on a gate, are you really playing the game? Wouldnt it be better if everyone didnt have to resort to the same low slot/rig setup??? People began to tank again??? Use scouts to see if there's a camp in the next system??? Use--gasp--frigates again to go fast?
These nano'ers have not a god damned argument.
You're stuck in the past, that would have been fine about 2 years ago, with the current eve population no it doesnt work you will have gangs staring at eachother through a stargate.
Im actually a huge fan of slow moving tankable ships but you theory drawing board guys dont have a clue, the game you talk of only exists in your heads, taking 2 large gangs against eachother isnt much fun at all, its a bit of a coin flip really.
Nano ships die all the time, there are already methods to combat it, ontop of that people pay for the privilige of their speed at a very high cost, yet those ships do still get caught out.
I wish it wasnt this way but an eve filled with slow tanking ships isnt an eve at all. Now i know this isnt a COMPLETE speed nerf but its too much and too soon, its changing the shape of eve combat in 1 move.
20 t2 snipers + cov ops vs 100 bs clumsy blob camping a gate. The cov ops sets up position and snipers warp in outside of the rage of most of the enemy blob, gank a few and use drones to force a couple cepters to disengage and warp out if more dangerous enemy come near. The clumsy blob gets peeled like a onion though several weak spots that get set up by cov ops baised on whatever tactic is the most appropriate one.
However, since nano got beyond a joke, then tactics like the above became more and more harder to do since in 5 seconds the enemy is already on top of you with 80% of their DPS. Now with nano's nerfed, people can start using tactics again to massacre clumsy blobs.
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Veldya
Caldari
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.07.26 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Darknesss
Edited by: Darknesss on 26/07/2008 15:44:20
CCP does it again, while we're at it lets go ahead with that carrier nerf to.
You are taking away the only defence against a ridiculous blob. My particular hesitation about the patch is scramblers turning off mwd, sure it may make sense on the drawing board but who the hell cares. Its absolutely ridiculous, arazu's and lachesis's will be unbelievably overpowered. If you want to reduce speed, fine, but for gods sake dont overstep the mark like you always seem to do.
If something is tipped one way on your balancing scales u just move the same weight to the otherside. People moan about speed and all this other crap but all you are doing is promoting numbers in an environment that cannot handle them.
Again i find myself asking whether these changes are brought about by people who play/know the game or people who think logic+imagination (ie. huge fleet fights are epic and lag free) = fun.
Normally i dont like to complain eve is a very unique game, but these kinds of decisions just turn this game upside down, small combat is being eroded away by blobs and lag and these kinds of nerf just twist the knife.
edit: im fine with you reducing speed a bit, say 10-15% maybe a bit more, but like i said its never just a slight alteration its just shifting weights.
You need to let go of the past. Nano Online is dead.
The regions are setup so they have choke points for a good reason, it was never intended for you to trivially bypass these choke points. It was never intended for people to trivially bypass regional defenses to strike at defenseless targets.
Coverts and the like are designed to be the ships you take behind enemy lines, they however, they have very real weaknesses when you engage in combat. Nano's are not invulnerable but they are extremely hard to take down compared to any other ship build option.
Eve mechanics were just not designed with those kinds of speeds in mind. Tracking and explosion velocity are not remotely coded in a way that they function at all vs ships that go ridiculously fast. Everyone who has abused nano ships do so because they know the mechanics are broken and look to gain an advantage from it.
Nano ships still die, of course they do. They either die to other nano ships or it is because of pilot error, it has nothing really to do with the skill level of the other pilot. How good the defending pilot is should be a significant element in any PvP encounter.
Some elements of the changes seem extremely dubious, like knocking out MWDs in addition to a significant reduction in speed, but that is what sisi is for. I want to see a good balanced system in play where multiple styles of play are viable. I don't like it that I am a Caldari pilot and my specialization is missile combat yet it is utterly worthless against nano ships.
You just need to accept that the days of abusing speed are soon to be numbered and focus on ensuring the new mechanics that come into place create a better environment. That is the only thing the anti-nano community wants, balanced gameplay. If the nano community had the same intention things would have never got to this point.
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