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Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Stab Wounds on 26/07/2008 11:11:52 [Vagabond] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hobgoblin II x5 The way it's supposed to be fit.
dichroic	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:17:00 - [2] I can only assume, that, because these changes arn't even on sisi yet you have no idea what you are talking about and this is a pretty bad attempt at either being funny or trying to kick up a shit storm. Either way you fail pretty badly
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:21:00 - [3] , why the cap injector?, and it works better passive shield Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:21:00 - [4] Originally by: dichroic I can only assume, that, because these changes arn't even on sisi yet you have no idea what you are talking about and this is a pretty bad attempt at either being funny or trying to kick up a shit storm. Either way you fail pretty badly This.
Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:22:00 - [5] Originally by: dichroic I can only assume, that, because these changes arn't even on sisi yet you have no idea what you are talking about and this is a pretty bad attempt at either being funny or trying to kick up a shit storm. Either way you fail pretty badly not trying to be funny. this is how the ship was probably supposed to be fit but everyone used the nanosploit fit.
Slade Hoo Amarr xPlaguex	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:27:00 - [6] armor rigs because speed nerf isn't enough for ya?
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: dichroic I can only assume, that, because these changes arn't even on sisi yet you have no idea what you are talking about and this is a pretty bad attempt at either being funny or trying to kick up a shit storm. Either way you fail pretty badly not trying to be funny. this is how the ship was probably supposed to be fit but everyone used the nanosploit fit. yea they made a ship with +25% speed bonus supposed to be armor tanked Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Slade Hoo armor rigs because speed nerf isn't enough for ya? no it's real man's fit not the old wcs/style fit.
Xyleya moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:31:00 - [9] postNerf Vagabond: Vagabond (basespeed): 302.5 m/sec Navigation LvL 5: +25% = 378.125 m/sec Rogue CY-1 (+3% speed): 398.46875 m/sec 1st Overdrive: +12.5 % = 448.27 m/sec 2nd Overdrive: +10.875 % = 497 m/sec 3rd Overdrive: +7.125 % = 532.5 m/sec 10MN MWD II: 500% Acceleration Control LvL 5: + 25% = 625% Rogue MY-1: + 3% = 643.75% Zor's Custom Navigation Hyperlink: +5% = 675.93% Result = 532.5 m/sec + 675.93% = 4131.82 m/sec (overheated = 5931.4 m/sec) With Skirmish Warfare LvL 5: 4545 m/sec (overheated = 6524.64 m/sec) With Claymore and Gang-Links: 5197.8 m/sec (overheated = 7461.8 m/sec) With HG Snakes: 5152.3 m/sec (overheated = 7396.5 m/sec) With Claymore and HG Snakes: 6481.7 m/sec(overheated = 9304.9 m/sec) Come again? .
Kunming T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:32:00 - [10] Before WCS or Nanos, ppl still fitted passive shields and some sort of speed. With the webs being lowered to 50-60% vaga can go in and out of the danger zone much easier. If ur clueless to what I mean dig out and watch Wizie's vaga movie "mine.wmv"... abit old but u might find it on eve-files. Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Xyleya postNerf Vagabond: Vagabond (basespeed): 302.5 m/sec Navigation LvL 5: +25% = 378.125 m/sec Rogue CY-1 (+3% speed): 398.46875 m/sec 1st Overdrive: +12.5 % = 448.27 m/sec 2nd Overdrive: +10.875 % = 497 m/sec 3rd Overdrive: +7.125 % = 532.5 m/sec 10MN MWD II: 500% Acceleration Control LvL 5: + 25% = 625% Rogue MY-1: + 3% = 643.75% Zor's Custom Navigation Hyperlink: +5% = 675.93% Result = 532.5 m/sec + 675.93% = 4131.82 m/sec (overheated = 5931.4 m/sec) With Skirmish Warfare LvL 5: 4545 m/sec (overheated = 6524.64 m/sec) With Claymore and Gang-Links: 5197.8 m/sec (overheated = 7461.8 m/sec) With HG Snakes: 5152.3 m/sec (overheated = 7396.5 m/sec) With Claymore and HG Snakes: 6481.7 m/sec(overheated = 9304.9 m/sec) Come again? this is still overpowered
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Stab Wounds not trying to be funny. this is how the ship was probably supposed to be fit but everyone used the nanosploit fit. LOL fail, vagabond has been passive shield and evasion tanked for over 2 years, Quote: yea they made a ship with +25% speed bonus supposed to be armor tanked Quote: no it's real man's fit not the old wcs/style fit. 'Real man's' fit would be 3 gyros 2 OD, damage drones, 5 220s and a HML, a 'real man' would have the 3 braincells to rub together to work out that in a standing fight, the vaga is absolutely useless, it is an overgrown interceptor.
Xyleya moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Xyleya postNerf Vagabond: Vagabond (basespeed): 302.5 m/sec Navigation LvL 5: +25% = 378.125 m/sec Rogue CY-1 (+3% speed): 398.46875 m/sec 1st Overdrive: +12.5 % = 448.27 m/sec 2nd Overdrive: +10.875 % = 497 m/sec 3rd Overdrive: +7.125 % = 532.5 m/sec 10MN MWD II: 500% Acceleration Control LvL 5: + 25% = 625% Rogue MY-1: + 3% = 643.75% Zor's Custom Navigation Hyperlink: +5% = 675.93% Result = 532.5 m/sec + 675.93% = 4131.82 m/sec (overheated = 5931.4 m/sec) With Skirmish Warfare LvL 5: 4545 m/sec (overheated = 6524.64 m/sec) With Claymore and Gang-Links: 5197.8 m/sec (overheated = 7461.8 m/sec) With HG Snakes: 5152.3 m/sec (overheated = 7396.5 m/sec) With Claymore and HG Snakes: 6481.7 m/sec(overheated = 9304.9 m/sec) Come again? this is still overpowered Maybe, but definately not a ship ment for armor-tanking .
Andrest Disch Amarr EXILED WINGS	Posted - 2008.07.26 11:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Stab Wounds this is still overpowered Sigh. -.-
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Xyleya postNerf Vagabond: Vagabond (basespeed): 302.5 m/sec Navigation LvL 5: +25% = 378.125 m/sec Rogue CY-1 (+3% speed): 398.46875 m/sec 1st Overdrive: +12.5 % = 448.27 m/sec 2nd Overdrive: +10.875 % = 497 m/sec 3rd Overdrive: +7.125 % = 532.5 m/sec 10MN MWD II: 500% Acceleration Control LvL 5: + 25% = 625% Rogue MY-1: + 3% = 643.75% Zor's Custom Navigation Hyperlink: +5% = 675.93% Result = 532.5 m/sec + 675.93% = 4131.82 m/sec (overheated = 5931.4 m/sec) With Skirmish Warfare LvL 5: 4545 m/sec (overheated = 6524.64 m/sec) With Claymore and Gang-Links: 5197.8 m/sec (overheated = 7461.8 m/sec) With HG Snakes: 5152.3 m/sec (overheated = 7396.5 m/sec) With Claymore and HG Snakes: 6481.7 m/sec(overheated = 9304.9 m/sec) Come again? this is still overpowered Takes 2 max skilled pilots and about 4B to pull off tho.... Not worth the isk, another month or two and just join the super caps online game and buy a mom.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:05:00 - [16] MY VAGABOND IS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING: High: NOTHING Med: 10MN MICROWARPDRIVE Low: OVERDRIVE INJECTOR SYSTEM II x2 Rigs: AUXILLIARY THRUSTERS II x2 FULL SNAKE SET. No special named modules etc.
GoldSnake The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Xyleya postNerf Vagabond: Vagabond (basespeed): 302.5 m/sec Navigation LvL 5: +25% = 378.125 m/sec Rogue CY-1 (+3% speed): 398.46875 m/sec 1st Overdrive: +12.5 % = 448.27 m/sec 2nd Overdrive: +10.875 % = 497 m/sec 3rd Overdrive: +7.125 % = 532.5 m/sec 10MN MWD II: 500% Acceleration Control LvL 5: + 25% = 625% Rogue MY-1: + 3% = 643.75% Zor's Custom Navigation Hyperlink: +5% = 675.93% Result = 532.5 m/sec + 675.93% = 4131.82 m/sec (overheated = 5931.4 m/sec) With Skirmish Warfare LvL 5: 4545 m/sec (overheated = 6524.64 m/sec) With Claymore and Gang-Links: 5197.8 m/sec (overheated = 7461.8 m/sec) With HG Snakes: 5152.3 m/sec (overheated = 7396.5 m/sec) With Claymore and HG Snakes: 6481.7 m/sec(overheated = 9304.9 m/sec) Come again? this is still overpowered Why don't you post with your main about it? noob
Tomas Ysidro Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:06:00 - [18] MY VAGABOND IS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING: High: NOTHING Med: 10MN MICROWARPDRIVE Low: OVERDRIVE INJECTOR SYSTEM II x2 Rigs: AUXILLIARY THRUSTERS II x2 FULL SNAKE SET. No special named modules etc.
Siddy Minmatar Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:14:00 - [19] snakes will be nerffed so it wont reach the 10km/s But it will easily brake the 5km/s mark 200m vaga can still roll with proper bonuses over 6km/s speeds What i am looking forward is Closerange AB vagas with huge Shield buffer and frack load of DPS. Webbers being down to 50-60%, a AB vaga that brakes 2500m/s goes near 1000m/s speeds at near orbit. This is something that makes many bigger ships cry :D
Mioelnir Minmatar Meltd0wn Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:18:00 - [20] Edited by: Mioelnir on 26/07/2008 12:18:56 If you put a plate on a Vaga, go all the way (needs AWU 5) [Vagabond, 1600mm Rolled Tungsten] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Achura Model	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Siddy snakes will be nerffed so it wont reach the 10km/s But it will easily brake the 5km/s mark 200m vaga can still roll with proper bonuses over 6km/s speeds What i am looking forward is Closerange AB vagas with huge Shield buffer and frack load of DPS. Webbers being down to 50-60%, a AB vaga that brakes 2500m/s goes near 1000m/s speeds at near orbit. This is something that makes many bigger ships cry :D Lol, yes, they gonna nerf snakes. But what about prices? Will they drop and by how much? Spending a couple of billions isks for ship which will be 10 times easier to kill than now doesn't look like a good investment.
Xyleya moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Xyleya postNerf Vagabond: Vagabond (basespeed): 302.5 m/sec Navigation LvL 5: +25% = 378.125 m/sec Rogue CY-1 (+3% speed): 398.46875 m/sec 1st Overdrive: +12.5 % = 448.27 m/sec 2nd Overdrive: +10.875 % = 497 m/sec 3rd Overdrive: +7.125 % = 532.5 m/sec 10MN MWD II: 500% Acceleration Control LvL 5: + 25% = 625% Rogue MY-1: + 3% = 643.75% Zor's Custom Navigation Hyperlink: +5% = 675.93% Result = 532.5 m/sec + 675.93% = 4131.82 m/sec (overheated = 5931.4 m/sec) With Skirmish Warfare LvL 5: 4545 m/sec (overheated = 6524.64 m/sec) With Claymore and Gang-Links: 5197.8 m/sec (overheated = 7461.8 m/sec) With HG Snakes: 5152.3 m/sec (overheated = 7396.5 m/sec) With Claymore and HG Snakes: 6481.7 m/sec(overheated = 9304.9 m/sec) Come again? this is still overpowered Takes 2 max skilled pilots and about 4B to pull off tho.... Not worth the isk, another month or two and just join the super caps online game and buy a mom. Are you a able to read? 4-5km/sec without Snakes or Claymore and without Rigs... sure not worth the ISK .
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Captator on 26/07/2008 12:30:33 Originally by: Siddy snakes will be nerffed so it wont reach the 10km/s But it will easily brake the 5km/s mark 200m vaga can still roll with proper bonuses over 6km/s speeds Have you not noticed the standard fit required to break the 4km/s mark after the changes, the one CCP Dionysus was using? I give you a clue - look for a thread called 'MY VAGABOND WAS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING'. edit: because the post above me does not show any match with that, I am guessing that there is another load of stacking factored in that the poster above me is not able to factor in, as we have not been told about it.
Xyleya moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Xyleya on 26/07/2008 12:30:37 Originally by: Captator Originally by: Siddy snakes will be nerffed so it wont reach the 10km/s But it will easily brake the 5km/s mark 200m vaga can still roll with proper bonuses over 6km/s speeds Have you not noticed the standard fit required to break the 4km/s mark after the changes, the one CCP Dionysus was using? I give you a clue - look for a thread called 'MY VAGABOND WAS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING'. And have you looked at my post-nerf calculations? No Rigs, No Snakes, No Claymore, No Faction-Mods... still easily over 4km/sec. I don't know what Dyonisos did there, but he did it absolutely wrong and probably without any Skills applied. .
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Xyleya Edited by: Xyleya on 26/07/2008 12:30:37 Originally by: Captator Originally by: Siddy snakes will be nerffed so it wont reach the 10km/s But it will easily brake the 5km/s mark 200m vaga can still roll with proper bonuses over 6km/s speeds Have you not noticed the standard fit required to break the 4km/s mark after the changes, the one CCP Dionysus was using? I give you a clue - look for a thread called 'MY VAGABOND WAS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING'. And have you looked at my post-nerf calculations? No Rigs, No Snakes, No Claymore, No Faction-Mods... still easily over 4km/sec. I don't know what Dyonisos did there, but he did it absolutely wrong and probably without any Skills applied. sorry edited after reading, but the CCP testbed fit has more speed mods than yours and more implants and goes slower
Xyleya moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Captator Originally by: Xyleya Edited by: Xyleya on 26/07/2008 12:30:37 Originally by: Captator Originally by: Siddy snakes will be nerffed so it wont reach the 10km/s But it will easily brake the 5km/s mark 200m vaga can still roll with proper bonuses over 6km/s speeds Have you not noticed the standard fit required to break the 4km/s mark after the changes, the one CCP Dionysus was using? I give you a clue - look for a thread called 'MY VAGABOND WAS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING'. And have you looked at my post-nerf calculations? No Rigs, No Snakes, No Claymore, No Faction-Mods... still easily over 4km/sec. I don't know what Dyonisos did there, but he did it absolutely wrong and probably without any Skills applied. sorry edited after reading, but the CCP testbed fit has more speed mods than yours and more implants and goes slower Like I said... maybe he did not apply any skills ^^ .
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Xyleya Like I said... maybe he did not apply any skills ^^ But assuming he isn't that much of a pillock ... what if he did? You got a way of working out how that would occur?
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:35:00 - [28] yea his setup getting 4k when a vaga goes over 3k with just a tech1 mwd doesnt make much sence Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Siddy Minmatar Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:41:00 - [29] people are such a drama queens... And lack math skills... And are annoying to the point, that causing them physical pain seems like a viable option, all in game strictly... ofcorse.
Siddy Minmatar Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake	Posted - 2008.07.26 12:50:00 - [30] Edited by: Siddy on 26/07/2008 12:49:57 Originally by: Xyleya Originally by: Captator Originally by: Xyleya Like I said... maybe he did not apply any skills ^^ But assuming he isn't that much of a pillock ... what if he did? You got a way of working out how that would occur? Vagabond base-speed with Cruiser LvL 5: 302.5m/sec + Navigation LvL 5 (25%) = 378m/sec + Snake-Set (24.7%) = 471.5m/sec + 1st OD II (12.5%) = 530.4m/sec + 2nd OD II (10.875%) = 588.1m/sec + 1st AuxThruster II (8.55%) = 638m/sec + 2nd AuxThruster II (4.2%) = 665.25m/sec + 10MN MWD II (500% without Acc Control!) = 3991.5m/sec So yeah... I can only guess, that he forget to add the Acceleration Control skill, as this is pretty close then. maybee... you try to reduce some mass, too?

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