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Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Artemis Rose What were HACs used for when they were 400 million ISK plus? Roughly a battlecruiser's firepower in a cruiser package. People use assault frigs now (even I have) but that doesn't make them good, doesn't mean they don't need a boost, and doesn't mean we should cause the same problems for HACs now. People are pointing out this concern ahead of time so that it gets avoided. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Upright Amarr Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Ekrid this is a troll. HACs are tech two cruisers. That means they get more armor, resists, move slightly faster, and have more slots for more modules on the ship, not to mention multiple bonuses. If this isn't enough for you nanotards, then GTFO of eve. Do u even fly a HAC? Come on, just do some quick EFT warrior'n and you will see that any Tier 2 BC outperforms any HAC. HAC's only bonus was their speed and agility.
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.07.27 04:53:00 - [33] He said it was a troll dude. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Herateis	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Upright Originally by: Ekrid this is a troll. HACs are tech two cruisers. That means they get more armor, resists, move slightly faster, and have more slots for more modules on the ship, not to mention multiple bonuses. If this isn't enough for you nanotards, then GTFO of eve. Do u even fly a HAC? Come on, just do some quick EFT warrior'n and you will see that any Tier 2 BC outperforms any HAC. HAC's only bonus was their speed and agility. are you ******ed or something? T2 BCs are TECH II BATTLECRUISERS. they are called command ships, and for good reason. do you not get how the game progression works? frigate<desy<cruiser<BATTLECRUISER<battleship<caps<supercaps. LOOK at where battlecruiser is. above cruiser maybe? Go ahead and ask me why. because they needed an inbetween for cruiser to battleship. thats the only reason. OFC A T2 BC is going to outperform a T2 CRUISER. and you're surprised or upset by this? GG nub.
Tae'Lin Hynd Simply Planned	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Herateis Originally by: Upright Originally by: Ekrid this is a troll. HACs are tech two cruisers. That means they get more armor, resists, move slightly faster, and have more slots for more modules on the ship, not to mention multiple bonuses. If this isn't enough for you nanotards, then GTFO of eve. Do u even fly a HAC? Come on, just do some quick EFT warrior'n and you will see that any Tier 2 BC outperforms any HAC. HAC's only bonus was their speed and agility. are you ******ed or something? T2 BCs are TECH II BATTLECRUISERS. they are called command ships, and for good reason. do you not get how the game progression works? frigate<desy<cruiser<BATTLECRUISER<battleship<caps<supercaps. LOOK at where battlecruiser is. above cruiser maybe? Go ahead and ask me why. because they needed an inbetween for cruiser to battleship. thats the only reason. OFC A T2 BC is going to outperform a T2 CRUISER. and you're surprised or upset by this? GG nub. /me points out how big of a nub above poster is not knowing the difference between TIER 2 and TECH 2 BC....
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:15:00 - [36] lol, Herateis is fail. Go learn the game, nubbins. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Herateis	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:18:00 - [37] ORLY?? ******s, just go into the market. search deimos, look at the variations page, Deimos is listed under TECH II. search your favorite battlecruiser. go to variations page, LOOK! the COMMAND SHIPS ARE LISTED AS TECH II!! F'ng nubs.
Tae'Lin Hynd Simply Planned	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:19:00 - [38] Edited by: Tae''Lin Hynd on 27/07/2008 05:19:51 Edited by: Tae''Lin Hynd on 27/07/2008 05:19:44 Originally by: Herateis ORLY?? ******s, just go into the market. search deimos, look at the variations page, Deimos is listed under TECH II. search your favorite battlecruiser. go to variations page, LOOK! the COMMAND SHIPS ARE LISTED AS TECH II!! F'ng nubs. Quick lesson TIER 2 BC is a Myrmidon, Tier one BC is a brutix TECH 2 BC is an ASTARTE, and other slips my drunk mind atm Tech 1 BC is Myrmidon, Brutix
Tae'Lin Hynd Simply Planned	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:21:00 - [39] Also, before you start swearing and making an ass of yourself, learn the difference in TIER AND TECH!!
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:21:00 - [40] haha - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Artemis Rose What were HACs used for when they were 400 million ISK plus? Roughly a battlecruiser's firepower in a cruiser package. People use assault frigs now (even I have) but that doesn't make them good, doesn't mean they don't need a boost, and doesn't mean we should cause the same problems for HACs now. People are pointing out this concern ahead of time so that it gets avoided. Why should they get a boost? They are specialized combat cruisers, not pwn-mobiles that should be slaying battlecruisers left and right solely because they are t2. You buy a HAC to do something that you can't do with battlecruiser / cruiser. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Tae'Lin Hynd Simply Planned	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:24:00 - [42] I think he finally installed some comps and is tracking now...hopefully TECH 2
Herateis	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Tae'Lin Hynd Also, before you start swearing and making an ass of yourself, learn the difference in TIER AND TECH!! and guess what nub? HACs get 4 bonuses as opposed to 2 on T1 BCs, and MASSIVE resists to their main tank. but you guys dont play this game so its not your fault you're ******s arguing with me, when I know more than you. stupid nubs.
Tae'Lin Hynd Simply Planned	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Herateis Originally by: Tae'Lin Hynd Also, before you start swearing and making an ass of yourself, learn the difference in TIER AND TECH!! and guess what nub? HACs get 4 bonuses as opposed to 2 on T1 BCs, and MASSIVE resists to their main tank. but you guys dont play this game so its not your fault you're ******s arguing with me, when I know more than you. stupid nubs. yeah, i think i have never logged in once.. but you were the one confused on the difference of TECH 2 and TIER 2, which is where this argument started. Also, how many more SP are dumped into getting into a hac VS getting into that TIER 1 or TIER 2 TECH 1 BC>?
Celesphira Archangels Assault Force Legion of Honor	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Artemis Rose You buy a HAC to do something that you can't do with battlecruiser / cruiser. Like being the final word in close-range blaster cruiser combat? Oh, snap. My brutix does more damage for less ISK.
Tae'Lin Hynd Simply Planned	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Celesphira Originally by: Artemis Rose You buy a HAC to do something that you can't do with battlecruiser / cruiser. Like being the final word in close-range blaster cruiser combat? Oh, snap. My brutix does more damage for less ISK. yeah, along with the BC you also get the option to go tank and gank, or one or the either.. HaC you are limited to one or the either, and with this day and age of blob blob blob, a hac doesn't have the HP buffer to survive much of anything, so yes, they will become obsolete to a point. there will be better alternitives.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:47:00 - [47] well hopefully with the speed nerf, the sig sizes will get further apart. This will help keep the attractiveness of HACs and other t2 ships over a larger cheaper ships when it comes to taking less or avoiding dmg.
Shin Zu Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.07.27 05:51:00 - [48] HAC's are still going to be hitting 3.5km/s - 6km/s+ depending on race and only using Tech II crap. People with snakes and faction mods are still going to be hitting 8km/s+ in their ***abonds before gang bonuses.
Shogun Archer Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.27 06:04:00 - [49] Meet me in my Deimos with the BC of your choice. Anyone want to wager on a winner?
Stab Wounds Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.27 06:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Shogun Archer Meet me in my Deimos with the BC of your choice. Anyone want to wager on a winner? this. the deimos can kill any bc.
Upright Amarr Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.07.27 06:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Frug He said it was a troll dude. bangs head on table
Upright Amarr Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.07.27 07:31:00 - [52] Originally by: Shin Zu HAC's are still going to be hitting 3.5km/s - 6km/s+ depending on race and only using Tech II crap. People with snakes and faction mods are still going to be hitting 8km/s+ in their ***abonds before gang bonuses. This is the thing, HACS that now go 3.5km/s (in a str8 line) are now going to be going slower, when they already get hit by missles, warrior II's, and turrents. These ships dont need a speed nerf.
Shin Zu Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.07.27 08:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Shin Zu on 27/07/2008 08:12:17 Originally by: Upright Originally by: Shin Zu HAC's are still going to be hitting 3.5km/s - 6km/s+ depending on race and only using Tech II crap. People with snakes and faction mods are still going to be hitting 8km/s+ in their *abonds before gang bonuses. This is the thing, HACS that now go 3.5km/s (in a str8 line) are now going to be going slower, when they already get hit by missles, warrior II's, and turrents. These ships dont need a speed nerf. No because the speed nerf isn't really going to hit the normal fit nanoships all that hard, only the people who went out of their way with complex/high-end faction/officer mods in order to reach levels of unexpected **ation. After nerf with the numbers ccp has given so far, hac's will still be hitting near enough what they used to with techII fittings. Using 3xOverdrive II's, 2x's Nanofibre II's and a Tech I unamed MWD** without implants or rigs gets you a 3.4km/s Deimos, (I chose a Deimos because imo its the most worthless hac worth nanoing) So after ccp gives more numbers and allows testing I'm pretty sure that fit is still gonna be going 4km/s, and thats still the bottom rung of the ships worth nanoing. So going by how I view what CCP has said so far, nanoships are still going to be fast, they just won't go as far into the twilight zone as you start adding more expensive mods. And I still doubt warp scrams will go live with the ability to switch off a MWD fully.
Shin Zu Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.07.27 08:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Shin Zu Edited by: Shin Zu on 27/07/2008 08:12:17 Originally by: Upright Originally by: Shin Zu HAC's are still going to be hitting 3.5km/s - 6km/s+ depending on race and only using Tech II crap. People with snakes and faction mods are still going to be hitting 8km/s+ in their *abonds before gang bonuses. This is the thing, HACS that now go 3.5km/s (in a str8 line) are now going to be going slower, when they already get hit by missles, warrior II's, and turrents. These ships dont need a speed nerf. No because the speed nerf isn't really going to hit the normal fit nanoships all that hard, only the people who went out of their way with complex/high-end faction/officer mods in order to reach levels of unexpected **ation. After nerf with the numbers ccp has given so far, hac's will still be hitting near enough what they used to with techII fittings. Using 3xOverdrive II's, 2x's Nanofibre II's and a Tech I unamed MWD** without implants or rigs gets you a 3.4km/s Deimos, (I chose a Deimos because imo its the most worthless hac worth nanoing) So after ccp gives more numbers and allows testing I'm pretty sure that fit is still gonna be going 4km/s, and thats still the bottom rung of the ships worth nanoing. So going by how I view what CCP has said so far, nanoships are still going to be fast, they just won't go as far into the twilight zone as you start adding more expensive mods. And I still doubt warp scrams will go live with the ability to switch off a MWD fully. Went to re-read the ideas CCP has put forward again and noticed I forgot to try the new overdrive numbers they put forward, but still that Deimos is looked at 3km/s before rigs and gang bonuses. HAC's were never meant to travel at interceptor speeds though and the numbers ccp have given aren't final either. Still have yet to be shown anything other than tech1/tech2 figures as well as my math being estimates since I'm not a nanopilot and don't care enough.
Bald Rikk The Legendary Fleet	Posted - 2008.07.27 08:36:00 - [55] Edited by: Bald Rikk on 27/07/2008 08:36:36 Originally by: Herateis Originally by: Tae'Lin Hynd Also, before you start swearing and making an ass of yourself, learn the difference in TIER AND TECH!! and guess what nub? HACs get 4 bonuses as opposed to 2 on T1 BCs, and MASSIVE resists to their main tank. but you guys dont play this game so its not your fault you're ****s arguing with me, when I know more than you. stupid nubs. /me puts up a sign politely requesting the troll not be fed any more. Trollscore Lack of accurate information -9 Use of 'swear' words to get the point across -6 Poor diversinary tactics when the knowledgeable players point the fundemental flaws in your arguement -7 Which all adds up to failure at eve and trolling. -- Baldrikk Originally by:** CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Gajowy	Posted - 2008.07.27 08:52:00 - [56] Edited by: Gajowy on 27/07/2008 08:53:04 Originally by: Herateis Originally by: Upright Originally by: Ekrid this is a troll. HACs are tech two cruisers. That means they get more armor, resists, move slightly faster, and have more slots for more modules on the ship, not to mention multiple bonuses. If this isn't enough for you nanotards, then GTFO of eve. Do u even fly a HAC? Come on, just do some quick EFT warrior'n and you will see that any Tier 2 BC outperforms any HAC. HAC's only bonus was their speed and agility. are you ******ed or something? T2 BCs are TECH II BATTLECRUISERS. they are called command ships, and for good reason. do you not get how the game progression works? frigate<desy<cruiser<BATTLECRUISER<battleship<caps<supercaps. LOOK at where battlecruiser is. above cruiser maybe? Go ahead and ask me why. because they needed an inbetween for cruiser to battleship. thats the only reason. OFC A T2 BC is going to outperform a T2 CRUISER. and you're surprised or upset by this? GG nub. When i see this kind of people supporting nerf im sure im against it, if someone dont know that tier 2 isnt tech 2... well i can imagine that he have problems with fighting nanos, but is it reasonable to make this game friendly to such a agressive- not willing to think noobs?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2008.07.27 09:01:00 - [57] T2 is the one with the Sarah Connor mod on right? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.27 09:08:00 - [58] Originally by: Sheriff Jones T2 is the one with the Sarah Connor mod on right? Yes, but when they use the T2 Sarah Connor mod then they're T4, and that's clearly overpowered. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Lee Thrace Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.27 09:17:00 - [59] The point to hacs is to pew pew. just because your nano is less effective it doesnt mean your ship is useless! try to think out of the box. as they said in Jurassic park: "Life will find a way" people are resourcefull and will find a new use for em, as they're just really funky ships :D btw i nano all my ships and i'm loving the proposed speed "nerf". WTS nanoishtar, nano-oneiros, nano...erm...convo me for prices :p i'm lovin it guys and so should you...enjoy the game! have a laugh! dont take (eve) life so serious o/
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.27 09:21:00 - [60] Pff! Screw your nano-HACs. What's going to happen to my nano-Badger‽

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