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kieron	Posted - 2004.05.27 22:36:00 - [1] Hellmar has posted another Dev Blog dealing with the account services, pricing and reasons for the pricing. The pricing has changed also, transfering characters between accounts has been reduced to 20$, while the portrait swap has been reduced to 10$. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
cashman	Posted - 2004.05.27 22:42:00 - [2] Edited by: cashman on 27/05/2004 22:47:21 So, what are the new charge going to be then? Quote: I agree with the statements here about portrait swap price being too high. I would say ingame money (isk) would be enough, just a really large amount maybe. Or maybe a choice between those (with a lowered amount of Ç). Also a restriction should be made, eg once every 3 months like someone already proposed. PS: Wouldn't it be a good idea to shut down this "service" untill price and such have been settled. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Nafri	Posted - 2004.05.27 22:43:00 - [3] interesting argumentation, but will be a time restriction a much better limitation to restrict exploiting of Name Changes and Portrait Changes? When you can change your name every 6 month and your portait every 3 month, nearly nobody can use this tool to permanent change his name and portrait to avoid people to remember him im still considering this as a $$ making machined developed by CPP. You may convince me but i doubt you will be able to do this by arguing with ingame exploiting Wanna fly with me?
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.05.27 23:25:00 - [4] I really do think all of this could be handled very well in an "In Game" enviroment, really, all you need to do is add some limits to it. Create shady agents, and only have a high level agent be able to perform a name Change, you tell the agent the new name you want and he then says: "Alright, I will see what I can do, I need to get access to government files and make some changes, I'll let you know if I can do it" What then happens is the name is put into a queue to be checked by a GM to make sure it is appropriate, if it is, the name is changed and the Agent replies: "Great news, [newname], it went through without a hitch, I called in some favours and its done. However, we wont be able to make another name change for at least 6 months (or however long you deem fit) otherwise CONCORD gets wise and we'll both be in a world of hurt. The only "price" to use the service would be to have good standing, the idea is you are saying to the guy "you owe me, and I want this done" after its done, he thinks you two are even and your standing with him is reset to 0 This very same example could work with Character portraits. The agent would say, "which of these two pictures do you want to look like?" and those 'pictures' would be your other character accounts. You would select the name, and a pop-up of the image would show and ask you to confirm, you say yes, and then the agent says "Alright, let me take some X-Rays and photo's of you and I'll see if my plastic surgeons can do it" and again, the whole thing gets put into a queue and if its ok'd by a GM, the agent replies. "Surgery starts today, due to the butchering of your face, dont expect to just get a new one for at least 6 months, we need to let you heal" You could even have the same thing for wiping employment histories. You could then allow agents to, for a price, look at a character and see if they had any plastic surgery done, any name changes, or had their employment history wiped. Why couldnt a system like this be worked out? Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Nomaar	Posted - 2004.05.27 23:57:00 - [5] Edited by: Nomaar on 28/05/2004 00:00:23 The issue is portrait swapping versus portrait alterations. Portrait alterations should be allowed as an in-game feature (different clothes, lighting, background, etc.). This was in fact something the developers originally talked about as being part of the game. It would be VERY easy to implement this. Just blank out certain functions of the character creation screen, so facial structure can't be changed at all, or very little. That should address the exploit problem. I still think it's wrong to charge money for such a feature, regardless of the price. Plainly, bluntly, however you want to describe it, charging bucks for changing appearance blows for $40 or $5.
Syreen	Posted - 2004.05.28 00:23:00 - [6] Ooh, plenty of material which is downright hillarious in there, CCP. One HUGE article comming up. Syreen, reporter, Warcry News Network (http://www.warcry.com) "Alt" of Maya Rkell
kieron	Posted - 2004.05.28 00:33:00 - [7] I've updated the pricing in my original post, but I wanted to throw one more thing out there. If there is anyone that participated in the account services before the reduction in pricing, please send me an e-mail. I will work with the billing department to refund the difference back to you. I realize that there are some players that will still be upset by the decision to continue charging for these services. Unfortunately, we cannot please everyone, as much as I would like to see that happen. However, the reduction in pricing was a result of the feedback that we received from the players. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Syreen	Posted - 2004.05.28 00:40:00 - [8] There's a difference between "pleasing some of your customers" and "pleasing none of your customers" There are also other issues (relating to the account transfer) which will go in an article I'll link to these boards. Syreen, reporter, Warcry News Network http://www.warcry.com) "Alt" of Maya Rkell
Aelius	Posted - 2004.05.28 00:46:00 - [9] Everything in this service is LAME Personal identitys will be lost. This is like a bad "Face Off" serie Z movie... Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Onubis	Posted - 2004.05.28 00:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Onubis on 28/05/2004 00:50:11 Originally by: Aelius Everything in this service is LAME Personal identitys will be lost. This is like a bad "Face Off" serie Z movie... why? U cant change ur chacater names, u cant chnage there gender or race. Only their piccy. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- "It is better to die on our feet than live on our knees"
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.05.28 01:03:00 - [11] Originally by: kieron I've updated the pricing in my original post, but I wanted to throw one more thing out there. If there is anyone that participated in the account services before the reduction in pricing, please send me an e-mail. I will work with the billing department to refund the difference back to you. I realize that there are some players that will still be upset by the decision to continue charging for these services. Unfortunately, we cannot please everyone, as much as I would like to see that happen. However, the reduction in pricing was a result of the feedback that we received from the players. Can you not address why a system that I outlined above couldnt be used? Hellmar in his Devblog said that the actions need to be limited so they cannot be exploited or overused, he said putting a monetary value to the service was necessary to acomplish a limit. What I just outlined created a limit and makes sure nothing can be exploited. Rebutt my idea on its merits, I just proved that an in game system can be introduced AND limit changes and stop exploitability full stop and not require money to acomplish these goals. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Jan Ors	Posted - 2004.05.28 01:18:00 - [12] Character moving between accounts I can understand having to pay for. Changing your name, I can't see why people would want to, unless they gave themselves a really bad name to begin with, or miss-spelt it - so in a way I can understand having to pay for it. But classing portrait alterations as an out of game action is, in my opinion, wrong. Kalki Nibiru puts a voice to what many people are, and have been thinking for a while. I don't see why his idea -or a variation of it- can't be easily implemented. It's darn a safe bet that it would be a much more popular way of doing it. ________ My chosen sig won't fit. Fah.
Xailia	Posted - 2004.05.28 01:33:00 - [13] These are my ideas on the whole thing that I posed on the dev blog comment page (but not everyone reads that): "I agree with most everyone else, portrait changes should be limited to makeup, lighting, clothing, and orientation. I also don't have any extra money to pay for it, isk is all I can afford. With small changes like that, isk should be enough. Changing a mug shot doesn't impact your identity very much at all. I just want my character portrait to be as perfect as I can get it just in case people click on it. But people really only identify me by my name. Wouldn't it be possible to make the mug shot changes part of a station system. Something like the character creation screen, without certain options, like the bone structure modifiers. Perhaps people could get high stadings with certain organizations that would let you change your bone structure for a large sum of isk. Names should really only be allowed to be changed if there are issues with it. 010001010 for example. Or to change kieron to Kieron, MetalShard to Metal Shard, or add a last name. They should be also isk, and approved by a "CONCORD" official. Character swapping should be the only thing that has a RL$ price tag attached to it. So in my opinion, to sum up: Character Mugs: Small Changes: Small to largish isk fee depending on the type of change made. Makeup is cheaper than clothing. Large Changes: High standing, high priced, black market service. Standing gets lowered down to 1 or so after the operation. Names: Only Critical changes allowed. Odd names (010100010, ****, Puffybigumbrella, etc.) - Last names being added, removed, or changed - Small typos (kieron -> Kieron, TornSoul -> Torn Soul, etc.) - And approval required by a CONCORD official (AKA a GM/Volunteer). Also an isk fee attached. Character Transfer: $20 for a transfer." Portraits, like Nomaar said, should be an in-game service with the portrait screen with certain aspects blocked off. I don't see how charging $ for it is needed. And no dev explainations have been anywhere close to explaining a good reason for charging RL $ for it. Isk, limited changes, and limited time intervals on changes should be more than enough to stop exploitation. "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."*
Seleene	Posted - 2004.05.28 05:24:00 - [14] I like Kalki Nibiru's idea about an in-game system. Is there a solid reason why we couldn't use something like that? - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.05.28 06:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Kalki Nibiru [Can you not address why a system that I outlined above couldnt be used? It wouldn't make any money. And to all those objecting that they aren't prepared to pay IRL money for such options - has it not occurred to you guys that you can simply NOT DO SO? Like I won't? You sound like people griping about how bad speed cameras are, when they can dodge all of them at a single stroke by just not speeding. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.28 06:28:00 - [16] $10 is a v. cool price - I don't really have a problem with a real money charge for an ingame feature because changing portrait details is pretty nifty! LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Mned Graydroggen	Posted - 2004.05.28 07:02:00 - [17] Edited by: Mned Graydroggen on 28/05/2004 07:09:02 Quote: Change the portrait from one of your characters to another of your characters. Why would I want that. I want to change the portrait of one of my chars if anything, not swap faces. Change postition, maybe hair style, clothes. I mean no way that I can recreate my chars face with the (brilliant) face editor. /confused
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.05.28 07:10:00 - [18] $10 is acceptable :) As for ingame services, people, please, it might still be available in the futute. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.05.28 07:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Kalki Nibiru [Can you not address why a system that I outlined above couldnt be used? It wouldn't make any money. And to all those objecting that they aren't prepared to pay IRL money for such options - has it not occurred to you guys that you can simply NOT DO SO? Like I won't? You sound like people griping about how bad speed cameras are, when they can dodge all of them at a single stroke by just not speeding. Of course it wont make money, but that isnt the issue here. Hellmar stated quite clearly that monetary price was put in place to limit the use of these new 'features' so to keep them from being exploited, the idea being that people could exploit, but its going to cost them a lot of money. I proposed a system that answered all of the issues without needing to resort to a monetary cost to keep the useage limited. Quite honestly they have no defense against my suggestion, except maybe "administrative" work, but even then, if limited to once every 6 months, and you needing to bring a lvl 3 agent to 9.0 (or some other high number), the GM's wouldnt likely have much work to do authorizing the names, just take a quick glance at the name to see if its appropriate, and hit ok. As for the portraits? The game already knows the differnce between Caldari Civre, and Deteis, and male and female, so it could automatically know if the portrait can be switched. So really, this is just a money grab, and with the lack of features and content (things we should have had a year ago--one example is in my signature) I'm none to happy. Though in honesty, if they want to eke out every dime they can from us, the new pricing is "fair", and if I wasnt so against charging for something that could easily and securely be handled in game, I might have even used the services had I wanted to change my name, or Change my portrait. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
meowcat	Posted - 2004.05.28 07:27:00 - [20] Thank you CCP You can have my $10 ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.05.28 07:29:00 - [21] Now I can shop for virtual clothes as well This is not a hijack
meowcat	Posted - 2004.05.28 07:52:00 - [22] Edited by: meowcat on 28/05/2004 07:54:14 aaah Character X does a corp-thief job and steals hundreds of millions of isk Character X sells the isk on ebay making a couple of hundred quid Character X changes piccy and name and carries on playing with no repercussions Charcter X, CCP benefit frtom the above Every other player loses You need to sort this problem out a player can make more RL money than the fee costs and now they can get away with it YOU MUST HAVE A TIME LIMIT OR RECORD THE NAME CHANGES AND HAVE THEM DISPLAYED IN THE CHARACTERS HISTORY ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Nemesis I	Posted - 2004.05.28 08:53:00 - [23] meowcat there is no option to change the name at the moment.... In your example, the player probably would build an alt transfer the money, and sell it with the alt, so its already do able. Still think 10 Euros is steep.
cashman	Posted - 2004.05.28 08:59:00 - [24] Edited by: cashman on 28/05/2004 09:11:47 TBH I don't really see a need for this so called service to be costing real money. Ingame-restrictions would be much more effective against abuse. Don't see how real money are going to keep people that have enough money and are willing to use them to abuse this. Periode restriction, large amount of ingame-money. That should be sufficient. Also. Is the Ç10/$10 now the final price, or are you still considering our ideas and proposals? (Like Hellmar wrote you would) Originally by: Kieron [/b]While we cannot offer the services for free, the pricing should be a lot more palatable Why is that then? Except for the issue of you harvesting money on this. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Agent Shield	Posted - 2004.05.28 09:45:00 - [25] Originally by: kieron However, the reduction in pricing was a result of the feedback that we received from the players. I didn't see the feedback, what thread was that in? Oh, you mean the ridicule. I can see how feedback and ridicule can be mistaken to mean the same thing. Agent Shield
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.05.28 09:51:00 - [26] Yeah, what I dont quite get is why theyre charging money to restrict griefers from using it. I mean, yes youre restricting griefers but only the poor ones... _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Gan Howorth	Posted - 2004.05.28 09:52:00 - [27] Yep. Charging $40 for character transfer is ok to me. Its an out of game function. Changing portrait should remain an ingame function as part of CONTENT. (Sorry every time CONTENT comes up l can't help shouting it). DEV 1. Can we be bothered to code an ingame funtion for this? DEV 2. Well it would involve more than DB number shuffling. Might even have to program a new window gui. DEV 1. Sod that. Lets just make it out of game and charge them. DEV 2. Yep, pub lunch then? OK sounds trollish but you must realise that these thoughts are going through players heads? I seriously hope you will put this in as ingame and the out of game charge is simply to allow people to make changes sooner.
Albar Gray	Posted - 2004.05.28 09:58:00 - [28] Getting access to plastic surgery ingame, through agents or such would be very good. But realistically, it would require the addition of a completely new agent ability, distribution of that ability to existing or new agents, and a whole ingame interface issue, as well as testing. So although I would prefer an ingame solution, doing it this way must be far easier on dev resources, and atm I would rather they continued to work on Shiva. It's clear that resources are limited, so given a choice between no option and any option, even if it's not the best option, it's still an option I'll option ----------------------------------------------- IÆm not schizophrenic... ThatÆs my alt
Nemesis I	Posted - 2004.05.28 10:05:00 - [29] Thinking about it, I would pay 10 Euros if I could post my own modified picture. The 10 Euros then would be used for a validation check so the naughty gal ladies didnt add nips or anything :)
Albus	Posted - 2004.05.28 10:43:00 - [30] I really can't see the logic behind charging for a name change. Spoilt rich kid griefers will still change their names frequently and be that much harder to keep track of, and people who just want to change their name once but can't afford it are penalised. If it's a case of needing to discourage exploits, then it will fail. My experience is that if something is possible, then someone will do it, no matter how much you attempt to discourage it. Surely the best way to avoid exploits is to put a limit of one name change every six months or something. That way anyone who wants to change their name can, but they cannot do so frequently enough to cause grief. Fair enough it may involve some work from the support team, so maybe it is fair enough that a charge is made, but there MUST still be a time limiting factor involved or you might as well make it free for all the good it will do.
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.05.28 10:54:00 - [31] I don't see how they can change their names =\ [Heterocephalus glaber]
Deadflip2	Posted - 2004.05.28 11:06:00 - [32] what your saying is i need to SELL my isk on e-bay (with the risk of beeing banned!), make the 10$, send it. then change my portrait. its a LOT easier to leave teh first 2 steps, and will save some unfair play and bannings --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.05.28 11:14:00 - [33] You can also get a job! "So, deadflip, why do you want to work for us?" "Uhm, I need to change my char portrait" "Huh?" [Heterocephalus glaber]
Bohr	Posted - 2004.05.28 11:20:00 - [34] mmmh... my barber bill just rose by 10$ a month 8(
Bohr	Posted - 2004.05.28 11:25:00 - [35] Originally by: meowcat Edited by: meowcat on 28/05/2004 07:54:14 aaah Character X does a corp-thief job and steals hundreds of millions of isk Character X sells the isk on ebay making a couple of hundred quid Character X changes piccy and name and carries on playing with no repercussions Charcter X, CCP benefit frtom the above Every other player loses You need to sort this problem out a player can make more RL money than the fee costs and now they can get away with it YOU MUST HAVE A TIME LIMIT OR RECORD THE NAME CHANGES AND HAVE THEM DISPLAYED IN THE CHARACTERS HISTORY Have you noticed it's about the same amount of money a new account costs? Would be none or little incentitive to pay rl money for a name and char change when you can reprocess the char from login menu :)
Styrmir	Posted - 2004.05.28 12:34:00 - [36] Originally by: cashman Edited by: cashman on 27/05/2004 22:47:21 So, what are the new charge going to be then? Quote: I agree with the statements here about portrait swap price being too high. I would say ingame money (isk) would be enough, just a really large amount maybe. Or maybe a choice between those (with a lowered amount of Ç). Also a restriction should be made, eg once every 3 months like someone already proposed. PS: Wouldn't it be a good idea to shut down this "service" untill price and such have been settled. A large amount of isk would not be good since every player has to have equal chances of this. I would say it is more likely that a relatively young character would want to change their name. Founder and Manager of The Misneden Shuttle Museum
Uuldahan	Posted - 2004.05.28 13:24:00 - [37] As others say, changes of portraits/names should stay IN game. Just allow us to modify them twice a year for some ISKs if you want to avoid abuse. For my part, 15 euros/month + time consuming is far enough. And I won't add 1 more euro for any new game service... EVE is a virtual word with virtual services and must stay VIRTUAL. Introducing RL cash just copy original RL differences between players. Wasn't the point of EVE to avoid this ?? But to create a world where all players have equal chances to do the same things. RL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVE !! STOP THIS STUPID TENDENCY !!! You're dividing your player base from their RL situation and it's a very bad thing Well, richer players have now access to an IN game service. What can I say then, I'm happy for us but I'm quite sad for me... Changes of names is also a very bad idea, and if it's implemented should include a time limitation. Please consider the Bounties abuse...it will become a big mess. And in a RP point of view, this change is very stupid. Very bad changes. Worst changes ever I'd say
Deadflip2	Posted - 2004.05.28 13:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Discorporation You can also get a job! "So, deadflip, why do you want to work for us?" "Uhm, I need to change my char portrait" "Huh?" but but i like having no job . bsides, with school AND a job idd have none of the required 8 hours per day playing eve! --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
Rekiem	Posted - 2004.05.28 13:32:00 - [39] Edited by: Rekiem on 28/05/2004 13:34:51 Edited by: Rekiem on 28/05/2004 13:34:08 This is the way I see thos whole thing: Dev1: Hey I found a new way to make more money out of our customers! Lets offer them a name and portrait change like they asked for! Dev2: Hey thats a good idea.. but I don't see how this is going to get us more money. Dev1: You see, all we have to do is make up some story that to make those change it takes time and since its an out of game option, we have to charge for it. Dev2: Wow your a genius. I'm sure some of those online video games addict will be stupid enough to pay for such a simple thing. How much should we charge for this? Dev1: I was thinking that we should offer a stupid price like 40.00$, that way, they will complain and ask us to lower it to something more decent.. like 10.00$. So if we accept this price, it will seems like were making a big sacrifice to make them happy and we'll look like the good guys you know.. Dev2: You're such a genius. This is a great idea. Dev1: I'm going to start to work on this newfeature, I should be finished in 1 hour, see you later. Dev2: See ya!
Carpo Roolie	Posted - 2004.05.28 13:37:00 - [40] Name changes will NOT be possible!
csebal	Posted - 2004.05.28 14:21:00 - [41] Edited by: csebal on 28/05/2004 14:25:07 Originally by: Rekiem Edited by: Rekiem on 28/05/2004 13:34:51 Edited by: Rekiem on 28/05/2004 13:34:08 This is the way I see thos whole thing: Dev1: Hey I found a new way to make more money out of our customers! Lets offer them a name and portrait change like they asked for! Dev2: Hey thats a good idea.. but I don't see how this is going to get us more money. Dev1: You see, all we have to do is make up some story that to make those change it takes time and since its an out of game option, we have to charge for it. Dev2: Wow your a genius. I'm sure some of those online video games addict will be stupid enough to pay for such a simple thing. How much should we charge for this? Dev1: I was thinking that we should offer a stupid price like 40.00$, that way, they will complain and ask us to lower it to something more decent.. like 10.00$. So if we accept this price, it will seems like were making a big sacrifice to make them happy and we'll look like the good guys you know.. Dev2: You're such a genius. This is a great idea. Dev1: I'm going to start to work on this newfeature, I should be finished in 1 hour, see you later. Dev2: See ya! Why am i also feeling like CCP thinks we were born with a single brain cell dedicated to play EVE? Point 1: I'm not going to pay for something like this. Its virtually free to do, takes no work on their side, as every feature they need is already in the game. Point 2: I'm not going to pay for it, unless i can pay in USD, as 10 USD is substantially less than 10 EUR, Point 3: I'm not going to pay for it, as for this money i can play for another month, and these features are nowhere near that in value. Point 4: I'm not going to pay for it, as I dont really need these features. I would love to change my name to give it a better RPG feel, but thats not worth 20USD for me. All in one, CCP can go an sc*w itself as far as im concerned. Maybe once they regain my trust by acting reasonably, releasing on time (and decent quality) or not making promises they cant hold, i'll consider giving them money above the bare minimum i have to give them for my accounts. Maybe its just me, getting a bit bored with the game, and starting to be annoyed by smaller things because of that, but my internal 'respect for CCP' graph is just about to fall trough the zero line, into the negative. ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
Jake Pliskin	Posted - 2004.05.28 14:29:00 - [42] "We are going to add for the possibility of changing name also (once we have added the option showing all old names in the client so that this isn't used for identity hopping)." Quoted from the DevBlog, so that seems to have the options covered
meowcat	Posted - 2004.05.28 14:44:00 - [43] Originally by: Carpo Roolie Name changes will NOT be possible! oooh LOOK who didn't read the DEV BLOG ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
csebal	Posted - 2004.05.28 14:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Jake Pliskin "We are going to add for the possibility of changing name also (once we have added the option showing all old names in the client so that this isn't used for identity hopping)." Quoted from the DevBlog, so that seems to have the options covered They should simply show the account name next to the character name, as so many other games do. Bang, identity hopping and 50% of alt abuse solved in one move. ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
Galk	Posted - 2004.05.28 14:53:00 - [45] Edited by: Galk on 28/05/2004 14:56:31 So what hellmar said yesterday in the comments page was a load of fudge then. Something along the lines of we are charging X amount to keep it limited because we don't want every man and his dog doing it, because it is of vital importance. 24hrs later we have a 30 bucks reduction, and those words go out of the window. I think it stinks anyway, nothing to do with the cost ect.... but changing peoples whole idents. You kinda get to know people as they are ect... I do like the ideas of changing decor thou, clothing ect... Maybe then i can finaly get this visor off, open up the shirt a little and impress the ladies ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2004.05.28 15:10:00 - [46] Why isn't this an ingame service? I can see the need to charge people to swap a character from one account to another, that is totally reasonable. What I don't understand is why you are charging real world money for what is essentially cosmetic surgery. Why not make the portrait change cost 10-100mil isk? Cost should be high to prevent abuse and there could be a time limit on it as well if you decide it is necessary. You could even loose attribute points if you have "plastic surgery" too many times or too often. I can't see how this would be hard to encorporate into the game. Just have the game take the price from the character's wallet then send the player to the character screen where you create your inital avatar, allow the player to change it as they want while staying in the same skill/bloodline selection they made initally. Nothing new needs to be created here, all that needs done is that a button needs to be added to the medical bay. As soon as the player updates his portrait the database entry they had previously is simply overwritten. How hard is that to do? ------------------------------ <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.28 15:19:00 - [47] Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 28/05/2004 15:23:25 Hmm Damn both options are expensive. I dont like the background and the clothes in my pic... $10 seems a but much for changing just those. Originally by: csebal Point 2: I'm not going to pay for it, unless i can pay in USD, as 10 USD is substantially less than 10 EUR, Actually 10 USD is about 8 Euro. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Andvari	Posted - 2004.05.28 15:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Kalki Nibiru ...and you needing to bring a lvl 3 agent to 9.0 (or some other high number) No. Forcing me spend two months of constant missions just to change my portrait is worse than having to spend $10 to change it. My biggest gripe right now? I have to have a free character slot open to change the picture. As all of my character slots are occupied, I am effectively blocked from taking advantage of this new feature. I would rather pay $10 (though it really really should be ingame ISK and ingame changed) and when I login next, have a button next to my character in the character select screen that takes me to the face generation of my race/gender/bloodline. Then hit submit and the face change is complete.
Andvari	Posted - 2004.05.28 15:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Barth3zzzNL Originally by: csebal Point 2: I'm not going to pay for it, unless i can pay in USD, as 10 USD is substantially less than 10 EUR, Actually 10 USD is about 8 Euro. The funny thing about CCP is that they charge the same number of currency regardless of exchange rate values. For example, to start a new account, it's $19.99 USD if you live in the US, or Ç19.99 EUR if you live in any country that uses the Euro, or ú19.99 GBP if you live in England, etc. etc. Even there there is a pretty big difference between the values of these currencies.
Deadflip2	Posted - 2004.05.28 16:29:00 - [50] Edited by: Deadflip2 on 28/05/2004 16:30:28 ccp logics: basics: 1+1=3, obvious. 51125=-42, the 1 looks like a -, cool. 41/9=0, deviding is always 0 right? Now for eve:* Wife+kids=wßnking, wßnking+option to make money=exploit every way. in other words: -42^2 = -312... you see? --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
meowcat	Posted - 2004.05.28 16:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Deadflip2 Edited by: Deadflip2 on 28/05/2004 16:30:28 ccp logics: basics: 1+1=3, obvious. 51125=-42, the 1 looks like a -, cool. 41/9=0, deviding is always 0 right? Now for eve:* Wife+kids=wßnking, wßnking+option to make money=exploit every way. in other words: -42^2 = -312... you see? my psychiatrist says he wants a word with you ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2004.05.28 17:01:00 - [52] What about people who use gametimecards? Mai's Idealog
Bella Verde	Posted - 2004.05.28 18:13:00 - [53] I was just checking it out, to see how it worked, but secure-eve is down, and has been for a while.
Still Hunter	Posted - 2004.05.28 18:48:00 - [54] doesnt seem to work right. the origianl didnt change, the character i was changing from, changed to the original!!
kieron	Posted - 2004.05.28 18:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Still Hunter doesnt seem to work right. the origianl didnt change, the character i was changing from, changed to the original!! If there is a problem, send in a petition for assistance. If the GMs are unable to assist, send me an e-mail and I'll do what I can to assist. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.28 20:13:00 - [56] Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 28/05/2004 20:14:23 Originally by: Andvari The funny thing about CCP is that they charge the same number of currency regardless of exchange rate values. For example, to start a new account, it's $19.99 USD if you live in the US, or Ç19.99 EUR if you live in any country that uses the Euro, or ú19.99 GBP if you live in England, etc. etc. Even there there is a pretty big difference between the values of these currencies. OMG youre right... Originally by: My Profile Subscription Type: 1 Month, Ç14.95 WTF? Thats a ****load of money Nice rip off... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.05.28 20:37:00 - [57] Hahahaha yeah, you EU members like to brag about how strong the Euro is compared to the dollar, but it means that I pay less for this game than you! _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.28 20:53:00 - [58] Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 28/05/2004 20:54:53 Originally by: Del Narveux Hahahaha yeah, you EU members like to brag about how strong the Euro is compared to the dollar, but it means that I pay less for this game than you! Well arent you special... The Euro being strong doesnt force CCP to charge us extra in any way. Hell for as far as i know theyre the only ones doing this. Bah.... Edit: And the Euro still owns your ass --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Nemesis I	Posted - 2004.05.28 21:03:00 - [59] Europe enforces CCP to charge VAT thus the difference.
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.28 22:13:00 - [60] CCP is located in Europe right? Didnt all our damn countries become part of the EU so we could have a better flowing economy and other political bs like that? --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
csebal	Posted - 2004.05.28 23:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Barth3zzzNL Originally by: csebal Point 2: I'm not going to pay for it, unless i can pay in USD, as 10 USD is substantially less than 10 EUR, Actually 10 USD is about 8 Euro. Actually, thats 2 EUR (or 20%) more i have to pay, just because i happen to live in europe. ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
csebal	Posted - 2004.05.28 23:47:00 - [62] Edited by: csebal on 28/05/2004 23:50:54 Edited by: csebal on 28/05/2004 23:49:02 Originally by: Nemesis I Europe enforces CCP to charge VAT thus the difference. Don't get me wrong, but im pretty sure they have to charge VAT for whatever they sell, no matter where they sell it, unless of course they make the US sales trough a US company, which i highly doubt. Additionally, i wouldnt think, that the VAT is just exactly the same ammount by which EUR is stronger than USD. Its just a convinient way for them to charge more, without actually 'raising their prices'. To be honest, i don't care much, as i can live without that 2 EUR anyway, but if they start to charge for other things as well, i may reconsider this standpoint. Especially if they continue to charge more for europeans. EDIT - I havent seen them sell anything for GBP, then again, im not from the UK, but if they really do charge the same ammount of GBP than they charge in USD, that would be the biggest ripoff i've seen in a long time. USD is bout half in value compared to GBP, as far i know. ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
Krast	Posted - 2004.05.29 01:46:00 - [63] Just make it allowed that you can modify 1 aspect of your appearance for 1 million ISK ingame. This would be a great way to get extra money out of the economy, as well as allowing for automation of this process while keeping people from total face swapping day to day. Plus as far as a rollplaying aspect. Oh, I had my chin done (plastic surgery) for 1 mil isk. Maybe even have a slight random chance of a botched job that looks grotesque Just my 2 isk. The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.~Mark Twain
Sophiale	Posted - 2004.05.29 10:21:00 - [64] I am cool with some minor alterations with to the potrait whether as an in game feature or an out of game one. I would only accept the name change for this game if ALL other players had FULL access to the list of names that character had used and discarded for another one. I don't care if you do it out of game or ingame. Just so long as I can track the *****. If there will be no full access, you will be hearing an earful from me.
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.05.29 10:42:00 - [65] Originally by: Sophiale I am cool with some minor alterations with to the potrait whether as an in game feature or an out of game one. I would only accept the name change for this game if ALL other players had FULL access to the list of names that character had used and discarded for another one. I don't care if you do it out of game or ingame. Just so long as I can track the *****. If there will be no full access, you will be hearing an earful from me. I assume people in your friends list will just have their name updated. So add everyone you dont like to your buddy list and put them in a sub folder, you aint losing them then :) --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Djengis Knudde	Posted - 2004.05.29 10:53:00 - [66] Well didnt we all get sooo exited when we started playing this game that we didnt take the time to create our character. Blam! hit random, go through it all fast so we can get into the game and check it out. First you think "Hey, i dont care, it looks oke". After a while you meet more and more ppl and see what you could have done if you took your time and then you start thinking "Should i just delete this one and start a new one ? But i have invested so much time allready. I dont want to start all over again". Hey, lets all petition for a character change feature. Let CCP solve my impatiance. I want to look sooo cool like the rest. Naa, ppl dont have to judge me by my actions, that's not important. Seriously, just messing with you all a bit. To be able to change cloathing, lighting or hair would be oke. Even change the position your character is facing would be good. Changing the face entirely would be a bad idea though. And changing your name is the worst thing ever. Changing names is a griever tool, no matter if you can do that only once in a while. If CCP wants to charge RL cash for this service then by all mean let them. It's a bussiness and they want to make profit. It's up to us all if they get that profit though. If you cant or wont pay for that feature then ignore it and play the game as you would have done if there was no such thing. Chaos is such a sweet state of mind. Nothing is as chaotic as the mind off a sane person. Pats his ZX200 Ultra delux pod. 2 Windows, flowers and airco.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.29 11:21:00 - [67] kieron, can you please ask someone to blog something about HOW the function of swapping works. personally, i'd like to know.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2004.05.29 11:36:00 - [68] How do ppl pay if they don¦t have a credit card like myself? I pay by Bank transfer. Can u add a bank transfer option to the account service? Otherwise i can¦t benefit from it --------------------------------------------- Eve is not game, it¦s a way of life!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.05.29 13:00:00 - [69] Originally by: Hellspawn01 How do ppl pay if they don¦t have a credit card like myself? I pay by Bank transfer. Can u add a bank transfer option to the account service? Otherwise i can¦t benefit from it Same here LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.30 01:28:00 - [70] when is the forum pic supposed to change?
Falbala	Posted - 2004.05.30 06:14:00 - [71] Edited by: Falbala on 30/05/2004 06:37:44 It didn't work . Now my two characters have the old pic... The new one should have been this: Linkage Edit: it works in game but not in forums lol.
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2004.05.30 11:24:00 - [72] Hmm, my new portrait hasn't come up in-game yet, but on the forums my alt has my old face now and I have...my old face! What the hell is going on?! How long should I expect to wait until it is working in-game and on the forums? Cheers Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
darth solo	Posted - 2004.05.30 11:33:00 - [73] Ok... sooooo i can change my chars name for a fee??... all i would have to do is leave my corp, pay CCP to change it to whatever, get back into corp... i say thats good... im totally bored with my name, and would jump at the chance for a change. and why o why dont CCP take switch?... most of my cards are switch...
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.30 11:55:00 - [74] Dash, clear your cache in-game, (dir/cache/pictures/portraits) On the forums...well...i dont think anyone knows
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2004.05.30 12:49:00 - [75] Originally by: Negotiator Dash, clear your cache in-game, (dir/cache/pictures/portraits) On the forums...well...i dont think anyone knows Cheers - that worked, although you shouldn't have to do that. Everyone who knows me will see my old face anyway unless they clear their cache as well, which is a bit labourious really. Oh well, hopefull this will get fixed too. Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
Medreena	Posted - 2004.05.30 22:08:00 - [76] Yea another problem here, been more that 24 hours still no sign of any change. My alt has her face and i have mine. Money has been taken out my account. Come on CCP if I pay for it I expect it to work! Done a petition ingame under other ==> Graphic bug. No word yet Im a patient type so ill hang on a bit longer Dont make me come out and gank TomB.... The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is for Good Men to Do Nothing...
Macca	Posted - 2004.05.30 22:34:00 - [77] I processed my order for portrait change on friday, 1hr before downtime. Its 11pm GMT on sunday and no sign of anything. time to start e-mailing people --------
Falbala	Posted - 2004.05.31 17:11:00 - [78] Any info if/when the forum avatar is going to be updated?
Ka'ira	Posted - 2004.05.31 19:16:00 - [79] Originally by: Falbala Any info if/when the forum avatar is going to be updated? Soon?
Opalfruit	Posted - 2004.05.31 22:30:00 - [80] Edited by: Opalfruit on 01/06/2004 08:34:20 yeah i cleared the cache and the swap took place, but like before doubt anyone else can see it... would be nice to see this actually working and showing up for everyone else and on forums
Falbala	Posted - 2004.06.01 08:07:00 - [81] Originally by: Opalfruit nice to see this actually working and shoing up for everyone else and on forums What do you need to do to make it work on forums?
Opalfruit	Posted - 2004.06.01 08:33:00 - [82] Edited by: Opalfruit on 01/06/2004 11:15:39 no what i meant was: it would be nice to see it working on the forums and so everyone else can see it in-game without having to clear their cache Now on the forums my two portraits are now my original, the one i didnt want
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.01 11:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Opalfruit Edited by: Opalfruit on 01/06/2004 11:15:39 no what i meant was: it would be nice to see it working on the forums and so everyone else can see it in-game without having to clear their cache Now on the forums my two portraits are now my original, the one i didnt want Will you get your name changed to Starburst? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.06.01 17:22:00 - [84] Change went live in-game. Not on the forums though [Heterocephalus glaber]
Falbala	Posted - 2004.06.01 18:25:00 - [85] Forums have just been updated^^.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.06.01 22:42:00 - [86] Edited by: Negotiator on 01/06/2004 22:43:36 WOOT
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.06.01 22:43:00 - [87] Disco, ur uglier then evah :D
Opalfruit	Posted - 2004.06.02 15:45:00 - [88] Hmm my portrait still appears to be the old one to other people in-game...
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2004.06.02 15:57:00 - [89] Originally by: Hellspawn01 How do ppl pay if they don¦t have a credit card like myself? I pay by Bank transfer. Can u add a bank transfer option to the account service? Otherwise i can¦t benefit from it Kieron, ETA on an answer? --------------------------------------------- Eve is not game, it¦s a way of life!
Tarm	Posted - 2004.06.02 18:22:00 - [90] Originally by: Opalfruit Hmm my portrait still appears to be the old one to other people in-game... Any idea if they can force a change of cache? Maybe it will effect only those who have gone through the process? I have a couple friends that changed that looked the same until I cleared my cache. Just askin.... :) -------------------
Opalfruit	Posted - 2004.06.03 11:57:00 - [91] That would be nice to clear everyone's cache for new portraits.. Not sure how long that would take though =/
Koda	Posted - 2004.06.03 16:34:00 - [92] Seems like a good service for a reasonable price. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Swift	Posted - 2004.06.08 02:40:00 - [93] Edited by: Swift on 08/06/2004 02:47:16 Any update on the cache situation - does your face still look like your old one unless other people clear their cache or will it get updated? :/ Is there no way for the game to replace the data in the cache with the new info? ----- --- 'The truth about low sec space is that it reveals humanity - the 'essence' of all the races, in its purest form. A place where Concord no longer polices or protects, 'human nature' thrives in all its distilled destructive self-serving glory. Welcome to hell ladies and gentlemen, welcome to what it really is to be human.' -Swiftare 'Swift' Sarum.

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