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Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY 11	Posted - 2012.03.20 00:24:00 - [31] - Quote I blame Ammon! SLAPD - Corp Janitor
Julius Foederatus Hyper-Nova 66	Posted - 2012.03.20 01:17:00 - [32] - Quote Eve is real.
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 170	Posted - 2012.03.20 01:27:00 - [33] - Quote Anya Klibor wrote: Vordak Kallager wrote: Ok, I'm sorry (and I don't want to degrade what SOTF and W-BR have done here, I've already said it deserves some big ups), but can you get off their ** please? It's kind of offensive to all the other major players in all four factions saying that the actions of two corps have single-handedly made FW "good" or whatever you were implying about us now being "on the map". ** that, there are lots of good pilots in FW, not just SOTF and W-BR. I never said they make up the militia. I have, however, said they are probably two of the best corporations in the militias, and I won't take that portion back. The point my post made was that these two corporations came together and kicked some ass. So what if "all four" militias weren't represented? They saw an opening, they took it. Plans come and go. They change. If you don't like the fact that opportunity came knocking and they answered, then that's on you. And that is directed at anyone who wants to whine about this. But let's be frank, here. Faction warfare has been viewed as the bastard children of EVE. You all are laughed at because you continue to use a system that has been broken since inception. Congratulations on doing so, but most null sec alliances see you guys come along and just go, "Whatever." Maybe you guys take some juicy ships through and they take notice, but for the most part faction warfare has been ignored by CCP, the CSM, and the null sec blocs. What WBR and SOTF did put you guys - meaning faction warfare and the militias - on the map because they took a fleet in, knowing it was a suicide mission, and walked away with the loot from the titan and with a better ISK ratio than Pandemic Legion did. As someone else said earlier: Pandemic Legion is taking this loss with dignity. It's faction warfare that's bitching over it, because waah, it was an "invitation only" party and most weren't invited. Harden the f*** up. I'm confused... I agree with SOTF/WBR decision to go it alone and make it happen. I just think it is funny that you think this single kill has made FW good all of a sudden, or that it matters that we are somehow "on the map" now. ??? We just here for the killmails, yo. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 170	Posted - 2012.03.20 01:29:00 - [34] - Quote Vordak Kallager wrote: Anya Klibor wrote: Vordak Kallager wrote: Ok, I'm sorry (and I don't want to degrade what SOTF and W-BR have done here, I've already said it deserves some big ups), but can you get off their ** please? It's kind of offensive to all the other major players in all four factions saying that the actions of two corps have single-handedly made FW "good" or whatever you were implying about us now being "on the map". ** that, there are lots of good pilots in FW, not just SOTF and W-BR. I never said they make up the militia. I have, however, said they are probably two of the best corporations in the militias, and I won't take that portion back. The point my post made was that these two corporations came together and kicked some ass. So what if "all four" militias weren't represented? They saw an opening, they took it. Plans come and go. They change. If you don't like the fact that opportunity came knocking and they answered, then that's on you. And that is directed at anyone who wants to whine about this. But let's be frank, here. Faction warfare has been viewed as the bastard children of EVE. You all are laughed at because you continue to use a system that has been broken since inception. Congratulations on doing so, but most null sec alliances see you guys come along and just go, "Whatever." Maybe you guys take some juicy ships through and they take notice, but for the most part faction warfare has been ignored by CCP, the CSM, and the null sec blocs. What WBR and SOTF did put you guys - meaning faction warfare and the militias - on the map because they took a fleet in, knowing it was a suicide mission, and walked away with the loot from the titan and with a better ISK ratio than Pandemic Legion did. As someone else said earlier: Pandemic Legion is taking this loss with dignity. It's faction warfare that's bitching over it, because waah, it was an "invitation only" party and most weren't invited. Harden the f*** up. I'm confused... I agree with SOTF/WBR decision to go it alone and make it happen. I just think it is funny that you think this single kill has made FW good all of a sudden, or that it matters that we are somehow "on the map" now. ??? We just here for the killmails, yo. Also, whoever is whining about them getting the kill by themselves is an idiot. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7
Mr Hyde113 Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 6	Posted - 2012.03.20 02:22:00 - [35] - Quote This is all crimper's fault.
Simyaldee Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse 20	Posted - 2012.03.20 06:37:00 - [36] - Quote I hope I'm not included among the whiners, the thread I posted was because I wanted someone from FW who was involved to explain the situation, because EN24 an assorted intel was distorted. But yea, I wasn't their or involved in the op at all so I can't make any judgement on any other members of Militia being left out as a result. Plus, people have to remember that the communication channels between SOTF and W-BR are probably better than most others because the used to be alliance mates and all. Not to mention that they probably have the largest concentration of Capital Ships in the Militia, although I'm surprised Q-CATs were left out, seems they've been dropping caps all over the ******* place lately. I'm not really surprised Caldari was left out, were rebuilding and restructuring and everything. The Titan kill will add publicity and will help put us on the map, but it probably won't go as far as say...electing Hans to CSM, or one of the FW alliances putting a good show in the alliance tourney or something. But yea, this is militia ladies and gentlemen, honestly we don't usually squabble this much. Vote for Hans Jagerblitzen
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 225	Posted - 2012.03.20 06:42:00 - [37] - Quote From the looks of it, the best thing to come out of this aside from everyone seeing how organised PL is at countering hotdrops, is that enough bad blood has been created by not involving everyone, that the FW scene might hot up as the hairy lardballs get down and dirty flailing at each other in between ventolin puffs, screaming imprecations because "I WAS NOT THERE!!!!" The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
Stalking Mantis Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 145	Posted - 2012.03.20 09:03:00 - [38] - Quote I was'nt there and RAAAAAAGE. But in all seriousness I am SO PROUD OF WBR I might as well have solo'ed that titan in my opinion. To see WBR make such a noise that ALL OF EVE HEARD IT is enough for me. Being there or not. At least that is how I feel about it.
FIRST GENERAL Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 19	Posted - 2012.03.20 09:08:00 - [39] - Quote Stalking Mantis wrote: I was'nt there and RAAAAAAGE. But in all seriousness I am SO PROUD OF WBR&SOTF I might as well have solo'ed that titan in my opinion. To see WBR&SOTF make such a noise that ALL OF EVE HEARD IT is enough for me. Being there or not. At least that is how I feel about it. There corrected the above. And i'm sure that i speak for both corps when i'm saying that we're happy to provide content.
Stalking Mantis Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet 145	Posted - 2012.03.20 09:27:00 - [40] - Quote FIRST GENERAL wrote: Stalking Mantis wrote: I was'nt there and RAAAAAAGE. But in all seriousness I am SO PROUD OF WBR&SOTF I might as well have solo'ed that titan in my opinion. To see WBR&SOTF make such a noise that ALL OF EVE HEARD IT is enough for me. Being there or not. At least that is how I feel about it. There corrected the above. And i'm sure that i speak for both corps when i'm saying that we're happy to provide content. No offense to SOTF or anyone else on that op but you know as a former WBR pilot that is all I see in that video (which I have probably watched 47 times by now). I know much credit is due to both sides and all pilots involved and I hope no one thinks I am intentionally leaving anyone out.
Rashmika Clavain Revelation Space 0	Posted - 2012.03.20 09:47:00 - [41] - Quote Mystical Might wrote: Lol'd, but seconded. They may be two well organized, strong corps, but they don't represent the militia as a whole. You're absolutely right.... and that's because they're two well organised and strong Corps. See what I did there?
YORK CRAFT KRAFTWERK 2	Posted - 2012.03.20 14:28:00 - [42] - Quote Was not on a week cause of RL stuff, but ... CLAP CLAP CLAP Militia hits PL Titan wrecking for 100% outsmart damage. Well done guys, Im proud of you ps.: and pls, for once and all time, ... get rid of that "militia nubs" tm (eg.Vids title). I see even militia members calling themselfes underdogs. In numbers, compared to PL, yes. But not naturally vice versa when it comes to quality, compared to the rest of EVE pvps. Our KBs are proving a different story.
Deen Wispa Screaming War Eagles Incorporated 182	Posted - 2012.03.20 16:56:00 - [43] - Quote YORK CRAFT wrote: Was not on a week cause of RL stuff, but ... CLAP CLAP CLAP Militia hits PL Titan wrecking for 100% outsmart damage. Well done guys, Im proud of you ps.: and pls, for once and all time, ... get rid of that "militia nubs" tm (eg.Vids title). I see even militia members calling themselfes underdogs. In numbers, compared to PL, yes. But not naturally vice versa when it comes to quality, compared to the rest of EVE pvps. Our KBs are proving a different story. People refer themselves as scrubs and noobs as a form self deprecating sense of humor. That and they always want to be considered underdogs when going up against others who are labeled 'as leet' If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread
Uppsy Daisy 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2012.03.20 19:24:00 - [44] - Quote So let me get this straight. W-BR are more happy to fight alongside their enemies (i.e. Gallente), than their militia mates (e.g. TMFED)? Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this...
Anya Klibor Error-404 10	Posted - 2012.03.20 19:38:00 - [45] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: So let me get this straight. W-BR are more happy to fight alongside their enemies (i.e. Gallente), than their militia mates (e.g. TMFED)? Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Pred also has no idea how to keep a secret. Just ask him about his whole carrier idea about a year back.
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 84	Posted - 2012.03.20 21:03:00 - [46] - Quote Anya Klibor wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: So let me get this straight. W-BR are more happy to fight alongside their enemies (i.e. Gallente), than their militia mates (e.g. TMFED)? Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Pred also has no idea how to keep a secret. Just ask him about his whole carrier idea about a year back. /popcorn.
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY 11	Posted - 2012.03.20 21:08:00 - [47] - Quote Anya Klibor wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: So let me get this straight. W-BR are more happy to fight alongside their enemies (i.e. Gallente), than their militia mates (e.g. TMFED)? Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Pred also has no idea how to keep a secret. Just ask him about his whole carrier idea about a year back. OOOOO!!!! SLAPD - Corp Janitor
The Lynxpardinus Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 0	Posted - 2012.03.20 21:41:00 - [48] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Well, then somebody needs to tell Pred (and you and everyone whining) that this is not little league baseball, where every single kid gets to play and everyone is a winner at the end of the game. Grow the F up
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 84	Posted - 2012.03.20 21:44:00 - [49] - Quote The Lynxpardinus wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Well, then somebody needs to tell Pred (and you and everyone whining) that this is not little league baseball, where every single kid gets to play and everyone is a winner at the end of the game. Grow the F up Think I'm going to need more popcorn.
Anya Klibor Error-404 10	Posted - 2012.03.20 22:46:00 - [50] - Quote Mystical Might wrote: The Lynxpardinus wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Well, then somebody needs to tell Pred (and you and everyone whining) that this is not little league baseball, where every single kid gets to play and everyone is a winner at the end of the game. Grow the F up Think I'm going to need more popcorn. /offers popcorn
Mystical Might The Imperial Fedaykin 85	Posted - 2012.03.20 23:34:00 - [51] - Quote Anya Klibor wrote: Mystical Might wrote: The Lynxpardinus wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Well, then somebody needs to tell Pred (and you and everyone whining) that this is not little league baseball, where every single kid gets to play and everyone is a winner at the end of the game. Grow the F up Think I'm going to need more popcorn. /offers popcorn Why thank you, Kind Ser. I'll be sure to salt them with the tears of my enemy. .
Uppsy Daisy 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2012.03.20 23:58:00 - [52] - Quote The Lynxpardinus wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Well, then somebody needs to tell Pred (and you and everyone whining) that this is not little league baseball, where every single kid gets to play and everyone is a winner at the end of the game. Grow the F up I think you misunderstood me. I am not whining, I can perfectly well understand why the op was run how it was. I was just making an observation that's all.
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY 11	Posted - 2012.03.21 00:41:00 - [53] - Quote The Lynxpardinus wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Well, then somebody needs to tell Pred (and you and everyone whining) that this is not little league baseball, where every single kid gets to play and everyone is a winner at the end of the game. Grow the F up OHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! SLAPD - Corp Janitor
Salicaz Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 6	Posted - 2012.03.21 00:41:00 - [54] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: So let me get this straight. W-BR are more happy to fight alongside their enemies (i.e. Gallente), than their militia mates (e.g. TMFED)? Bet pred is well happy. He seems to be one of the few FCs happy to lead all of the militia not just his own corp, then he gets shut out of this... Yes. We were once in an alliance with SOTF. Also, the general militia consider W-BR as "elitist pricks" because we dont allow the general militia in a W-BR armour abaddon fleet with their drakes..... When we first came to the bleaklands we were quite fond of the general militia. But our higher organisation/discipline meant that we wouldn't let ** fit wrong ships into our gangs. The general militia got bitchy and cried. Now they hate us. I'm, along side Sync, not a diplomat so can say personally that the general militia in general can go off. A man can only take this ** so many times: FC > "nano-bc's now!" Random militia > "I have a meta armour harbinger, will that do?" However general militia can join our roaming gangs as much as they like if they bring the right stuff. More often that not general militia are on our coms.
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 168	Posted - 2012.03.21 03:11:00 - [55] - Quote I took out a general Miltia fleet once. Never checked fits or even ask. Had an untanked BB in fleet that sat at 0 on a gate with the rest of us to engage the coming Minnies. Always inspiring to know that a person is flying a ship with next to no idea how is in your fleet. Alas General Militia you guys are truly why people will forever say Noob FW guys. FYI, Being Elitist is something im proud off. It means I wont put up with people who settle for just being their. We're not null sec bodies whos mine set has at times been bring everyone now! Join fleet or log! Fleets is 20 MINUTES Train L1 BS NOW and buy a Scorp.(Actual know someone that was told that twice.) So yeah, If Im one of the people that doesn't want some L1 blind sheep next to my 1.4 Billion Loki makes me Elitist. Then huzzah for being Elitist and long may it continue. However just so you know. What people call us Elitist for is what I call being perpared. If joining W-BR and then being ask to go buy 3 Abaddon, A T3, Couple random doesn't matter if it dies BS. 6 Armor/Shield BCs Couple of Nados, 1 Faction and/or Navy Geddon and then a dozen Plexing(Dessi, Cruisers) ships is too much to ask. What in gods name do you wanna pvp for. Im not waiting for people to fly to JIta before a pick up fleet. This isn't ******* 2009! Edit - In FW you have mission that earn you stupid amounts of isk. Having No isk for ships is not a valid reason not to have ships in your hanger. Get a bomber go spend 4 hours grinding and come back One Billion isk richer.
Anya Klibor Error-404 10	Posted - 2012.03.21 03:36:00 - [56] - Quote Salicaz wrote: Yes. We were once in an alliance with SOTF. Also, the general militia consider W-BR as "elitist pricks" because we dont allow the general militia in a W-BR armour abaddon fleet with their drakes..... When we first came to the bleaklands we were quite fond of the general militia. But our higher organisation/discipline meant that we wouldn't let ** fit wrong ships into our gangs. The general militia got bitchy and cried. Now they hate us. I'm, along side Sync, not a diplomat so can say personally that the general militia in general can go off. A man can only take this ** so many times: FC > "nano-bc's now!" Random militia > "I have a meta armour harbinger, will that do?" However general militia can join our roaming gangs as much as they like if they bring the right stuff. More often that not general militia are on our coms. Anyone who knows W-BR should know they don't play around when it's a real fleet. Sure, the roaming gangs might be for crap and giggles, but when you guys say to bring a specific type of ship, you expect that type of ship. So if I was still in general militia, I'd understand if you didn't want to include me. But see, the issue is that there are people in the militias who think they are somehow God's gift to this game (like Predator Elite/Soulless Brutor or FlyingHotPocket) and when they are left out, the hissy fits are incredibly amusing to watch. They don't get that there will always be ops they are not welcome on, and the lack of an invitation isn't intended to be a slight, but rather to ensure their op goes of properly. W-BR and SOTF are two of the best FW corporations out there, because they are organised and intelligent. Enough said, stop whining.
Galatica789 Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 26	Posted - 2012.03.21 03:43:00 - [57] - Quote Me, A child figured out what was happening before the fleet did (Got yelled at for it XD) sadly - fun fact, Fun kill, good tears for Mitlia's, foes and PL alike. I took down my POS's.
Steel Wraith 0	Posted - 2012.03.21 03:49:00 - [58] - Quote As a new-ish/returning player who had written off FW from any future plans, hearing about this has inspired me to reconsider, and I'm no doubt not the only one. Whether WBR and SOTF are representative of FW or who was or was not involved is mostly irrelevant as far as impact of the event goes. It's hearing stories like these via word of mouth that brought many of us into this game. All the squabbling/bickering/drama, not so much.
Galatica789 Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 26	Posted - 2012.03.21 03:53:00 - [59] - Quote BITCHES!!!!!!!!! BITCHES!! CALM DOWN! Look SOTF decided to kill a PL Titan (Minor roles by W-BR, 0000, Qcat) we did, Vordak, Mystie, others, PL still have a few Titans, Now go form a fleet together and kill one, or just stop :3 Im like so butthurt I got on the kill and the Devoter that W-BR gave me blew up :( 29mil PROFIT.
Tekitha Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 3	Posted - 2012.03.21 04:40:00 - [60] - Quote Galatica789 wrote: BITCHES!!!!!!!!! BITCHES!! CALM DOWN! Look SOTF decided to kill a PL Titan (Minor roles by W-BR, 0000, Qcat) we did, Vordak, Mystie, others, PL still have a few Titans, Now go form a fleet together and kill one, or just stop :3 Im like so butthurt I got on the kill and the Devoter that W-BR gave me blew up :( 29mil PROFIT. 789's views here are purely his own and do not in any way represent those of SOTF on the whole. You'll have to excuse him, he's rather "special" and rest assured, we ridicule him for it daily. That is all edit: Trolling the Troll ... iWin?

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