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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 06:44:00 -
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Now that Caldari whiners achieved nanonerf i propose a new campaign to EvE community. In a slow Blob vs Blob world of tomorrow Drake is CLEARLY and RIDICULOUSLY OVERPOWERED!!!1!!
I am at work right now so can not use EFT to prove my points. But i am sure that passively tanked faction fitted Drake in a gang with Leviathan (who got maxed out leadership skills with shield links) CAN TANK LIKE NO TOMORROW and can dish out some decent PDS.
Faction fitted is too expensive? So what? Isk should never be an excuse to make ships OVARPOWERRED!!!!!!!!
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Escobar Noreaga
Amarr
F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2008.07.29 06:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Elirel
EFT
Yoda: That, is why you fail...
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Sidewayzracer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 06:49:00 -
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i see no real reason to make cap recharge and sheild recharge mods have a stacking penalty like every other module.
itll remove the cookie cutter drake setups ppl make and those r far worse then any nano setup i have seen
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Escobar Noreaga
Originally by: Elirel
EFT
Yoda: That, is why you fail...
Now that my Ishtar can no longer go OVER 9000 m/s i demand DRAKE to BE NNERERRFED!
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sidewayzracer
i see no real reason to make cap recharge and sheild recharge mods have a stacking penalty like every other module.
itll remove the cookie cutter drake setups ppl make and those r far worse then any nano setup i have seen
QFT!! its too easy to tank with DRAKEZ!
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:02:00 -
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4 replies and 91 views! Still no CCP answer!!!!111
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Saietor Blackgreen
The First Foundation
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:06:00 -
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Well, that was kinda obvious from the very beginning. If speed is to be nerfed down to the point where ships cannot completely outrun the missiles and drones of the same class, Drake, as heavy missile platform, will get a very nice boost.
OFC all the turrets will get it too, but previously heavies were just plain useless against fast HACs, now they do work. Kinda binary boost :)
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Volarius
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:07:00 -
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I am especially worried about this PDS drakes dish out.
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:19:00 -
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how is drake over powered?
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar
how is drake over powered?
It out tanks all other BCs doing OVER 300 PDS, uses no cap and missiles always hit!!!!!!!
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Elirel
Originally by: Zurrar
how is drake over powered?
It out tanks all other BCs doing OVER 300 PDS, uses no cap and missiles always hit!!!!!!!
o_0 stop using eft... myrm does very well. and ive seen more canes in fleet than drakes.
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Elirel on 29/07/2008 07:29:59
Originally by: Zurrar
Originally by: Elirel
Originally by: Zurrar
how is drake over powered?
It out tanks all other BCs doing OVER 300 PDS, uses no cap and missiles always hit!!!!!!!
o_0 stop using eft... myrm does very well. and ive seen more canes in fleet than drakes.
You will see more drakes than myrms and canes combined AFTER the nanonerf.
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Sidewayzracer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zurrar
Originally by: Elirel
Originally by: Zurrar
how is drake over powered?
It out tanks all other BCs doing OVER 300 PDS, uses no cap and missiles always hit!!!!!!!
o_0 stop using eft... myrm does very well. and ive seen more canes in fleet than drakes.
who are you fighting? generally any regular blob if its a BC's in the gang it is 9/10 a drake.
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Zurrar on 29/07/2008 07:43:04
Originally by: Sidewayzracer
Originally by: Zurrar
Originally by: Elirel
Originally by: Zurrar
how is drake over powered?
It out tanks all other BCs doing OVER 300 PDS, uses no cap and missiles always hit!!!!!!!
o_0 stop using eft... myrm does very well. and ive seen more canes in fleet than drakes.
who are you fighting? generally any regular blob if its a BC's in the gang it is 9/10 a drake.
um, anywhere outside empire? i fly drakes cause i have shield tanking skills (and cyclone im not skilled in guns)
ok, doing some eft warrioring myself-
with my skills (crap in armor, can hardly use t2 armor reps and t1 hardners) the myrm with bc 2 tanks- 368 dps, not bad at all. the dmg it pumps out is-349 dps, soooo if drake does 300, myrm outdoes drake.
ok, now the harb-
woops, what is this, 345 dps tanked, and 319dps dished out (pulses t1) i cant even use lazers, so there are 0 bonus there.
ok- now the hurricane-
oh, surprise here- 359 tanked, dps at 303dps dished out
drake now (my skills are all in shield tanking)-
400dps tanked- 235 dps dished out
so all in all, they are pretty even, the only dmg mods i added were on the drake 3x bcull's
so your theory of drake is over powered is ******ed and false...
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:45:00 -
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Did you completely miss the other drake thread where we established that both hurricane and myrmidon can passivetank around 750 dps with only T2 fit? And do significantly more DPS than a shitty drake at the same time.
Naturally, nobody would fit like that, because it's useless, but there you go.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:45:00 -
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Don't worry, they're already contemplating a nerf to missiles.
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: ApaKaka
Did you completely miss the other drake thread where we established that both hurricane and myrmidon can passivetank around 750 dps with only T2 fit? And do significantly more DPS than a shitty drake at the same time.
Naturally, nobody would fit like that, because it's useless, but there you go.
this is the active one, ive not seen the other. but all the bc's are well balanced.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:47:00 -
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You've just 'reasoned with' a troll.
Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
Infinite Covenant
Lords of the Damned
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 29/07/2008 07:53:52
[ sarcasm ]
O NOES, Now I can't flee from those drakes anymore I actually have to fight them, GASP
NOOOOO, I lost my Nano ship on SISI to a drake with a passive shield tank, NOOOOOOOO
I can't NOS or NEUT it either, what is this world comming to.
BUT WAIT!, I'm the GREAT ELIREL, I CAN DEMAND JUSTICE. I DEMAND A NERF.
I ENVISION A WORLD WHERE NO MAN CAN STAND UP TO MY MIGHT, ALL FEAR MY POWERS.
The drake isn't part of this world and thus it MUST be NERFED by my decree!!!
I DEMAND A NERF.
I don't care if passive shieldtanks are a viable tactic, I don't care if Nano's where 10 times more unbalanced than any passive shieldtank ever was. No now I actually have to FIGHT these ships MANO a MANO they are to strong for me!
Now I can't no longer run circles around them and kill them with my missiles and drones while they can't hit me at all its all become so unfair...
I ELIREL DEMAND A NERF WORTHY OF ... well... ME!
[ /Sarcasm ]
With all seriousness... CCP won't do it, get over the damn nano nerf and find another way to fight drakes.
Nano's made to many ships have an I WIN BUTTON.
At least the drake can be hit and BEATEN if pushed hard enough. Nano ships where hard to even get one hit on while they ripped you a new one. speed tank ok, but not on a Battlecruiser or a (name other large Nano ship here).
Get over it, and stop acting like a spoiled little brat cause seriously... You are not the king... or queen of EVE.
The moment you do become that person, I will no longer be playing this game.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:55:00 -
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I frankly cannot believe the amount of people not spotting a very obvious troll. I mean, seriously, what do people need to do? Have "here be trolls" in thread title?
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
I frankly cannot believe the amount of people not spotting a very obvious troll. I mean, seriously, what do people need to do? Have "here be trolls" in thread title?
its not the trolls that im pointing stuff out to, its the ppl who read this and go 'omg, yea hes right', and i had all those fits already in eft, so just open it and bam. altho eft is no substitute for real combat.
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Ioci
Gallente
Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.07.29 07:58:00 -
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Player A: Intell reports a hostile fleet of Drakes 3 jumps away...
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:01:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Ioci
Player A: Intell reports a hostile fleet of Drakes 3 jumps away...
Player B: So?
Player C: HIDE THE VAGAS!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:01:00 -
[24]
I have to agree though, the rake is overpowered compared to other gardening tools. The leafblower is just a hassle, picking up the leaves one by one is a pain in the back, but the rake just comes in and rakes 'em all up no hassle no pain 
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Zinka Z
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:04:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Elirel
Now that Caldari whiners achieved nanonerf i propose a new campaign to EvE community. In a slow Blob vs Blob world of tomorrow Drake is CLEARLY and RIDICULOUSLY OVERPOWERED!!!1!!
I am at work right now so can not use EFT to prove my points. But i am sure that passively tanked faction fitted Drake in a gang with Leviathan (who got maxed out leadership skills with shield links) CAN TANK LIKE NO TOMORROW and can dish out some decent PDS.
Faction fitted is too expensive? So what? Isk should never be an excuse to make ships OVARPOWERRED!!!!!!!!
This guy knows what he is talking about. WE all know that drakes are way too overpowered and have been for a while. They have become the standard gang ship because they are soo overpowered. just look at killboards. whats the ship that people fly the most ?
NERF THE DRAKE NOW!!!!!
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Zurrar
Gallente
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
I have to agree though, the rake is overpowered compared to other gardening tools. The leafblower is just a hassle, picking up the leaves one by one is a pain in the back, but the rake just comes in and rakes 'em all up no hassle no pain
its all about the weed eater man, it does the job of the lawn mower, the edger, and the kill your neighbor for peeing on your roses tool.
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Elirel on 29/07/2008 08:12:42
Originally by: Hyperforce99
I don't care if passive shieldtanks are a viable tactic, I don't care if Nano's where 10 times more unbalanced than any passive shieldtank ever was.
Dear Sir, i demand a precise math wher you prove that Nanos are exactly 10 times more unbalanced than passive shieldtank.
Based on which assumptions overpowered passive shieldtanks are fine while hit and run nano tactic is not fine.
Anyway.. this thread is about overpowered DRAKES not about perfectly balanced nanos.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:21:00 -
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You're overdoing it. EFT was enough, but mentionning faction mods and a leviathan make the troll too obvious.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:22:00 -
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Passive tanking need rebalancing from the ground up for all ships. Shield rechargers need a boost as well. I would like to see shield extenders lower shield recharge by x% amount.
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:50:00 -
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Definitely a nerf needed here. No cap weapons? No cap tank? Just ridiculously overpowered.
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:50:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Shadowsword
You're overdoing it. EFT was enough, but mentionning faction mods and a leviathan make the troll too obvious.
Every nanowhiner uses faction mods and snake sets to prove that nanos are broken.
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Manson Forte
Spawns of Thanatos
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Posted - 2008.07.29 08:56:00 -
[32]
He is trolling you guys if anyone hasn't noticed yet.
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 09:22:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Manson Forte
He is trolling you guys if anyone hasn't noticed yet.
Dear Sir, my true intent was to show how imbalanced Drake becomes in light of forthcoming changes. Please do not troll.
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Kaivos
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Posted - 2008.07.29 09:22:00 -
[34]
it starts again.
you got the nanoneft. NOW SHUT THE ****ING **** UP.
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Kano Sekor
Amarr
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.29 09:37:00 -
[35]
geez we need to shut down the forums this is getting out of hand, call in reinforcements.
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Sar Ferredj
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.07.29 09:56:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Sar Ferredj on 29/07/2008 09:58:16
<troll mode = "on">
As Gallenteans had NOS, Drones nerfed & will be Blasters & MWD nerfed
As Minnmatarr are about to be speed nerfed . . .
As Amarr had been boosted same as Caldari.
I suggest to nerf Caldari/Amarr by forbidding missiles & shields.
</troll mode>
The real problem is that instead introducing new items/skill to rebalance game, CCP prefer nerfing races & items.
Can you imagine how happy I am after spending so much time to fly an astarte & learning this ship is about to be nerfed ?
I'm beginning to be upset by CCP behaviour . . . remember theirideas regarding the deimos . . .
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Lt Angus
Caldari
Lt Angus Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:01:00 -
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And the only counter is more drakes 
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:05:00 -
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As this thread shows a VAST MAJORITY of playerbase agrees that Drake is overpowered. Therefore its of paramount importance to take swift actions and to correct unfair imbalance.
I would recommend to make shield mods stack with each other, reduce base reg.rate by 60% and to make all shield affecting implants to fit into the same slot. So player have to chose which attribute he really wants to boost. This will encourage diversity of setups and creativity.
After we are done with Drakes we should continue "balancing" Caldari ships (falcon, raven, etc).
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:08:00 -
[39]
Drakes got a silly big tank since the outset. Has been needing a nerf for ages.
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justsometrader
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:17:00 -
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while they are nerfing the Drake...please nerf the blue kitten in Hello Kitty Online aswell please, insane plant growing speed and stuff, you know?
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:18:00 -
[41]
Originally by: justsometrader
while they are nerfing the Drake...please nerf the blue kitten in Hello Kitty Online aswell please, insane plant growing speed and stuff, you know?
Please do no derail
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Tyson Gallane
Caldari
Political Warfare Executive
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:21:00 -
[42]
With my fitting skills I am quite capable of nerfing my own Drake, cheers.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:21:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/07/2008 10:21:12
Originally by: Elirel
Please do no derail
Oh i think this thread is an accident waiting to happen with or without derailing 
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/07/2008 10:21:12
Originally by: Elirel
Please do no derail
Oh i think this thread is an accident waiting to happen with or without derailing
I appreciate your sense of humor but this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:26:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/07/2008 10:26:37
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/07/2008 10:26:10
Originally by: Elirel
I appreciate your sense of humor but this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff.
Serious? Really serious?!
Ok!! *salutes firm* Hh-m-hm! *stands in attention*
The drake. Hm. Bad drake. Shoot missiles. *waves stick at drake* No more shooting missiles!
Ok, he'll behave now.
I can't help myself 
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:26:00 -
[46]
Can i  ,btw i hearby welcome our new drake ovelords 
Originally by: Elirel
this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff.
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Veldya
Caldari
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:31:00 -
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lol you know to get a dccent tank on the drake you have to boost the sig radius on the drake so much you could hit it with capital weapons. :P
Nice try though. The Myrm has a superior tank and still has superiod dps post-nerf.
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Kano Sekor
Amarr
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:45:00 -
[48]
Eve Online:The Drake-yan Age
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justsometrader
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:47:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Elirel
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 29/07/2008 10:21:12
Originally by: Elirel
Please do no derail
Oh i think this thread is an accident waiting to happen with or without derailing
I appreciate your sense of humor but this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff.
serious Drake issue is serious ?
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Lt Angus
Caldari
Lt Angus Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya
lol you know to get a dccent tank on the drake you have to boost the sig radius on the drake so much you could hit it with capital weapons. :P
Nice try though. The Myrm has a superior tank and still has superiod dps post-nerf.
nuh uh
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Taco Raptorian
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Posted - 2008.07.29 10:54:00 -
[51]
Yes let's introduce missile bandwidth on caldari boats so you can't have so many big missiles anymore.
You already have super passive shield tank so you shouldn't have so many missiles hitting everything. It should balance it.
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Damned Force
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:11:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Elirel
4 replies and 91 views! Still no CCP answer!!!!111
Even on good threads are no devanswer why should be here on such idiotic thread? 
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Gaia Thorn
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gaia Thorn on 29/07/2008 11:23:53
So now that the ships no longer can outrun the missiles but yet manage to keep enough speed to not be tracked, any of you dont see the obvious advantages of being caldari.
ECM and missiles now hitting everytime is gonna be a hassle for pilots flying shield tanked "nano" ships.
And with the speed nerf getting those pesky falcons before they are able to warp off is gonna be hard.
Seeing u can "super tank" a drake and its counterpart cant perma run its tank makes it abit unbalanced in my opinion.
Yes the damage output is low but give it enough time and it will chew through anything.
Im not proclaiming that we should kill the drake but rather find a balance since the other 3 ships require a active tank.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:26:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
So now that the ships no longer can outrun the missiles but yet manage to keep enough speed to not be tracked, any of you dont see the obvious advantages of being caldari.
If you're going 3km/s in a HAC (or anything MWD-ing for that matter!), you're definitely not outrunning the tracking of medium turrets.
Only BS turrets, but hey, torps won't hit you either at 3km/s.
Getting to falcons is going to be a pain now, so we'll just have to use snipers more I guess, even though they're a bloody liability in most situations.
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deadmeet
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:27:00 -
[55]
60% of eve players are caldari, do you think CCP will nerf the drake ? No, the will continue to nerf the others race to enjoy caldari people.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:31:00 -
[56]
Ill agree to swap a drake nerf for more grid on a nighthawk 
poudly annoying fc's since 2007
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:33:00 -
[57]
Originally by: deadmeet
60% of eve players are caldari, do you think CCP will nerf the drake ? No, the will continue to nerf the others race to enjoy caldari people.
Yes that is why caldari has been so overly powered for so long!
oh wait, no they havnt, theyve generally been the worst for yrs!
time for bed ya minmi-nano whiner x)
poudly annoying fc's since 2007
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123
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FluterEx
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:43:00 -
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The Drake sacrifices everything else for its tank as long as you are fast enough (even after the changes you will be able to be fast enough) the drake wont be dangerous and for sure th drake has to operate in groups because it cant really do anything else than tanking. |
Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:46:00 -
[59]
Originally by: FluterEx
The Drake sacrifices everything else for its tank as long as you are fast enough (even after the changes you will be able to be fast enough) the drake wont be dangerous and for sure th drake has to operate in groups because it cant really do anything else than tanking.
HAM+MWD+web+point+gank = win. You're doing it wrong. There's no point in tanking with a Drake in PvP. The lows are for BCUs and a damage control, the highs are for HAMs, and the mids are for tackle gear, two invulns and a LSE.
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FOBOS DUNE
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:51:00 -
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No speed, No EW, No DPS (300? dont make me lol), totally useless for pvp but passive tank..."The most overpowered ship in history"...
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Thorek Ironbrow
Caldari
Ironbrow Industries Co.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:53:00 -
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I always thought that if you really do go for the epic deadspace/faction tank, then you generally don't have any DPS. But anyway, Drake is a fleet command ship (well, a Battlecruiser, it's the Command Ships illegitamate child), therefor it deserves to tank.
Whether the pilot decides to use HMLs or sacrifice High slots for the greater good is not overpowered.
Blah
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:54:00 -
[62]
Hey guys, look at how overpowered my Drake is!
6x 425 mm AC II
3x LSE, 2x Inv II
5x SPR II
3x purgers
2x Ogres, 2x HH, 1x Hobgob
That tanks 888 DPS and deals 520 DPS! Please nerf this overpowered monstrosity of a Drake Myrmidon.
Oh wait don't because it's a stupid fitting strategy.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Caldari
Ironbrow Industries Co.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 11:56:00 -
[63]
Okay you Gallente PvPs, I wouldn't get too unhappy. I'm sure you'll still be winning by miles on the K:D Ratio front in FW/Skirmish Warfare.
But anyway, back to the point... I'm awesome :D |
Watyu
Minmatar
Bears Inc
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:07:00 -
[64]
Obvious troll is obvious
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Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 29/07/2008 12:29:41
Now I am not a veteran of the game by any means . . . but . . .
As I understood it nano's were nerfed because they were going at such speeds that weapons could not touch them and webers either barely worked, or did not work at all. Thus for the most part you needed a fleet of nano's to handle another fleet of nano's which went against CCP's idea of a balanced game.
As for missiles, its seems to me that in terms of PVP a Drake would not be my first choice by any means if I was given the option. So nerfing missiles would most likely make it harder for mission runners and not make that great of a difference in PVP anyway.
EDIT: And missiles do hit every time yes, but the damage is still relative to speed and size. Not to mention they don't deal instantaneous damage, so the farther you are away, the longer it takes to hit what your shooting at. So there already is an obvious trade off when using missiles as it is . . .
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Taco Raptorian
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Hey guys, look at how overpowered my Drake is!
6x 425 mm AC II
3x LSE, 2x Inv II
5x SPR II
3x purgers
2x Ogres, 2x HH, 1x Hobgob
That tanks 888 DPS and deals 520 DPS! Please nerf this overpowered monstrosity of a Drake Myrmidon.
Oh wait don't because it's a stupid fitting strategy.
Oh wait it only has 1.5 km optimal range! Wtf it can't shoot as far as a Drake!?!?!?
No worries, I will catch everyone with it's whopping ludicrous speed of 181 m/s!!!111
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Thorek Ironbrow
Caldari
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.07.29 12:42:00 -
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Guys, don't forget a little thing called defenders. Just have 1 or 2 defender launchers decrease DPV from a missile boat lots.
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Red zeon
Caldari
Shades Corp
The OSS
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:12:00 -
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you guys do know that drakes have been nerfed allready? and hawnt missiles been nerfed to sometime?
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.29 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: FOBOS DUNE
No speed, No EW, No DPS (300? dont make me lol), totally useless for pvp but passive tank..."The most overpowered ship in history"...
ZzZzZzZz
Properly fit drake is a great gang ship.
Tackling gear mids+2 invuls and LSE. HAM or HML highs. 3 BCUs and a DCU in low. You can also fit some cheap shield rigs that barely cost anything to improve hp.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.07.29 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
Don't worry, they're already contemplating a nerf to missiles.
Interestingly, the Heavy Missile was nerfed long ago. If you look at the Precision Heavy Missile you'll note that it's base explosion velocity is 1250 m/s - the same as a precsision cruise missile. This occured because when nanoing first became popular (before rigs and such) the Precision Heavy Missile ripped nano boats apart with ease.
Really, the ONLY missile left to nerf in this regard is the precison light - but nerfing IT'S explosion velocity means missile using interceptors no longer have a way to hit other intys.
Unless they make the penalty for using them even more severe than -4% speed per tube loaded with precisions (not to mention -25% damage)
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Dzajic
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.29 14:31:00 -
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Oh yes. If a ship with bonuses to armor tank is too good with passive shield tank, NERF it, Myrm needs more nerfing, NOW. Remove highslots, cut grid, change drone bandwith to 50.
Or you could reduce its shield amount and increase recharge time.
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Salvar Ar'adim
State Property
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Posted - 2008.07.29 14:33:00 -
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1/10
tbqh
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[RLLUP]State Property
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.29 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Elirel
Now that Caldari whiners achieved nanonerf i propose a new campaign to EvE community. In a slow Blob vs Blob world of tomorrow Drake is CLEARLY and RIDICULOUSLY OVERPOWERED!!!1!!
I am at work right now so can not use EFT to prove my points. But i am sure that passively tanked faction fitted Drake in a gang with Leviathan (who got maxed out leadership skills with shield links) CAN TANK LIKE NO TOMORROW and can dish out some decent PDS.
Faction fitted is too expensive? So what? Isk should never be an excuse to make ships OVARPOWERRED!!!!!!!!
time to nerf your posting ability, tbh
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.07.29 14:42:00 -
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I'm honestly impressed with peoples abilities to actually legitimately sit here and talk about a HML Drake being "overpowered". Have you guys even tried fighting one? You're right, you MIGHT not be able to kill it (amarrian pilots - go nuts - EM is still the weak resist) but without a point or any speed to speak of (most people don't fit ANYTHING to make it go faster) and often no damage mods it isn't exactly going to rip you apart either.
Are we concerned about the 300 DPS (kinetic) from missiles the drake can deliver at 80km when well skilled? Is the concern the range in general?
What ever happened to all the laughing at Caldari fighting at range with missiles anyway? Did that suddenly become a badass tactic when I turned my back for a moment?
Seriously, god forbid you can't become immune to a cruiser class weapon in a cruiser, but you people are acting like it's the ONE thing standing between the Drake and unstoppability.
Besides - let's set the record straight. The Drake, in it's short life in the game has ALREADY been nerfed twice (Precsion Heavy Nerf, Shield Recharge Nerf)
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:48:00 -
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HERE IS THE PROFF THAT DRAKES ARE OVERPOWERED!!! TAKEN FROM JITA LOCAL!!!!!!!111
[15:44:13] Barsexual > I killed like 3 vagabonds on sisi with a drake lol
[15:44:20] Barsexual > so awesome
A NOOB IN DRAKE KILLS VETS!! WHAT OTHER PROFFS DO YOU NEED!! WAKE UP CCP!!!!!!!
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari
ACE'S OVER 8'S
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:58:00 -
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O no not the drake:(
the dps is crap on the drake.....the only one's you would hurt in doin this are mission runners......who gives a shit!!!!!!
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DaJokr
As Soon As Possible
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Posted - 2008.07.29 16:14:00 -
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With all the whining (I don't care whether the drake is nerfed again or not and I used to fly them), you realize then that you can use a BS to break the drake, right? And if you find a solo drake that has fit tackle, he's gonna be easy to destroy anyways.
I'll never forget when a nano gang of ceptors from the Atomic Battle Penguins attacked me while I was in my onyx...there reply because there little interceptors (which my missles couldn't hit buy the way) couldn't break the tank was OMGWTF 0v3rP0w3rd! nerfBAT111!!11!1 All HICs have great tanks...but pathetic DPS, there designed specifically to field tanks from hell.(I suppose the next rant that will show up is people wanting HICS nerfed because of there tanks :\ )
Like I said though, they can nerf the drake again if they want, I never found it useful for anything but missions, ratting, or baiting.
Onward and upward.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.29 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/07/2008 16:25:42
Originally by: DaJokr
With all the whining (I don't care whether the drake is nerfed again or not and I used to fly them), you realize then that you can use a BS to break the drake, right? And if you find a solo drake that has fit tackle, he's gonna be easy to destroy anyways.
Tbh, I fear the day I meet a HAM gank drake with full tackle and MWD in my plated Hurricane, because I simply cannot match its effective HP which is considerably bigger then my DPS advantage, even if I'm in optimal.
It's hardly easy to destroy. A gank Hurricane has about 48K effective HP (non-trimarked, 58K trimarked) and about 710 DPS tops with RF EMP M (more with hail, but then you're firing a very unattractive damage type at a drake). A gank Drake has about 67K (cheap, and can be overloaded for extra 10K) to 82K (more expensive, overloads to over 90K) effective HP and 610-ish DPS, and DPS is constant in webrange. There is simply no possible way to gank the extended drake, even with trimarking.
The fact you don't know how to fit a Drake doesn't make it any less fearsome. 610 DPS is a lot of gank for a ship which has tons of effective HP and full tackle, and happens to deliver said DPS very reliably up to 17-18km.
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Sj01
No Slack
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Posted - 2008.07.29 16:30:00 -
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I thought everyone hated the caldari? That's all I ever hear around here.
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Max CAOD
Caldari
MAX INTEL Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Passive tanking need rebalancing from the ground up for all ships. Shield rechargers need a boost as well. I would like to see shield extenders lower shield recharge by x% amount.
Pottsey is they guy to learn from. On Sisi his super-duper navy mega (passive shield tank) got some killmails(!). All ships should be passive shieldtanked clearly. Especially ships with only 1-4 midslots. If you do this you make the world brighter for the rest of us (literally by emitting a large blueish explosion after a short while).
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LoneFox3
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: LoneFox3 on 29/07/2008 19:20:32
my only problem with the drake is that
it can tank even more then a damnination.
try it on eft if you fully tank both ships
the drake always has the better tank
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/07/2008 19:23:31
Originally by: LoneFox3
Edited by: LoneFox3 on 29/07/2008 19:20:32
my only problem with the drake is that
it can tank even more then a damnination.
try it on eft if you fully tank both ships
the drake always has the better tank
Repeat after me:
Nobody cares what the Drake can tank. The only fearsome Drake is a buffer-tanked Drake with a gank fit. The only relevant Drake setups fit for balance discussions are these.
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LoneFox3
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:27:00 -
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i care, and I believe I am some buddy
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/07/2008 19:36:54
Originally by: LoneFox3
i care, and I believe I am some buddy
Why care about a utterly useless ship? Call me stupid, but I really don't understand it. A tanked Drake is 100% useless, except as bait, and when you get more then you bargained for, it explodes extremely fast, faster then a plated thingy.
Basically, it goes like this when you meet a full passive drake:
-tackle drake
-laugh at its loldps
-if other hostiles arrive, get out
-if neccesary, wait 5 minutes till friend(s) arrive while laughing at its loldps
-gank drake
Yay, extremely useful.
Or, in case if it's bait:
-scout reports drake. everyone knows its bait, too.
-gangs forms up if it can gank the other gang
-gang warps in on drake
-Drake explodes before friendlies land on grid because alpha and massive DPS > recharge/rep tanks
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:36:00 -
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Let me clarify. No-one with a clue cares what the Drake can tank.
Hope that helps.
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LoneFox3
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:45:00 -
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all im saying when maxed tanked, it still only does 20 dms less the a damnation to me that personally says alot.. and sense when does everyone have to be ass to someones oppintion
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.29 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: LoneFox3
all im saying when maxed tanked, it still only does 20 dms less the a damnation to me that personally says alot.. and sense when does everyone have to be ass to someones oppintion
But:
(a) Damnation focusing on tank alone isn't too good; a 1600mm RT is what makes it really nice. Anyway, the Damnation has a reason to tank. It gives out gang bonuses, providing important utility outside of DPS.
(b) The Drake, if it wants to give out gang bonuses too, has to drop a considerable amount of its tank for command processors. Else, bringing a Drake to a fight, tanked, to do lolDPS is harming your own gang. Tank only is 100% useless.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: LoneFox3
all im saying when maxed tanked, it still only does 20 dms less the a damnation to me that personally says alot.. and sense when does everyone have to be ass to someones oppintion
The opinion that "ship x in configuration y is good" is a valid opinion statement. The opinon that "ship x in configuration y is good and therefore needs to be nerfed" is not a valid argument.
You take an opinion, package it as fact and tack on an assertion that it should be changed.
Here's the Facts on MY Drake fit for a "tanky" configuraton. I have 21 million SP - and can actually toe the line on those "All Level V" stats EFT spits out:
428 DPS
505 DPS "omni tank"
Cap last 14 minutes.
175m/s top speed.
Yep - that's with faction kinetic missiles, 2 BCS, HML Operation V, HML Spec IV, BC V, Warhead Upgrades IV, Rapid Launch V.
So, what can I do with the fitting? Well, I can insta pop drones. If an interceptor is nice enough to stop I could alpha it to death in one volley. Aything else? No point, no speed means how will I keep them from leaving when they get bored?
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Opertone
Caldari
SIEGE.
The Border Patrol
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Posted - 2008.07.29 21:57:00 -
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drakes aren't overpowered, it takes 4 BS to bring down a drake, carriers are very helpful against big and clumsy tanks; a drake can tank, but it can't tackle and deliver DPS too well.
a drake's tank is easy to break, without cap the omni tank shuts down, a single falcon can keep a drake jammed, so even FoF missiles won't help.
a drake is as scary as a brick wall, you can still hurt yourself if you aren't careful.
i don't see how drakes are overpowered when it takes 2 blaster megathrones to finish one drake
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 29/07/2008 22:24:42
Originally by: FOBOS DUNE
No speed, No EW, No DPS (300? dont make me lol), totally useless for pvp but passive tank..."The most overpowered ship in history"...
ZzZzZzZz
Learn to fit your drakes
Heavy launcher drake does 500~ dps
Originally by: Opertone
drakes aren't overpowered, it takes 4 BS to bring down a drake, carriers are very helpful against big and clumsy tanks; a drake can tank, but it can't tackle and deliver DPS too well.
One torp raven can solo any drake tank.
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Rodanine
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.29 22:52:00 -
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no talk of nerfing Minmatar ships they can passive tank and they fire projectiles which like missile boats have no cap usage. just wondering projectiles do hit a lot faster then missiles you know
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Thorek Ironbrow
Caldari
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.07.30 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 30/07/2008 07:33:50
Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: LoneFox3
all im saying when maxed tanked, it still only does 20 dms less the a damnation to me that personally says alot.. and sense when does everyone have to be ass to someones oppintion
The opinion that "ship x in configuration y is good" is a valid opinion statement. The opinon that "ship x in configuration y is good and therefore needs to be nerfed" is not a valid argument.
You take an opinion, package it as fact and tack on an assertion that it should be changed.
Here's the Facts on MY Drake fit for a "tanky" configuraton. I have 21 million SP - and can actually toe the line on those "All Level V" stats EFT spits out:
428 DPS
505 DPS "omni tank"
Cap last 14 minutes.
175m/s top speed.
Yep - that's with faction kinetic missiles, 2 BCS, HML Operation V, HML Spec IV, BC V, Warhead Upgrades IV, Rapid Launch V.
So, what can I do with the fitting? Well, I can insta pop drones. If an interceptor is nice enough to stop I could alpha it to death in one volley. Aything else? No point, no speed means how will I keep them from leaving when they get bored?
I've got roughly same Missile Op skills as you and two BCS on my Drake and I did insta-pop a nano-rifter that crashed into me.
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Haio
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:53:00 -
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Caldari ships do look like next FOTM.
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Robin Chuwan
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:29:00 -
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Hmmz. wonder why i keep flying my hurricane and harbinger wich both can kill a drake, instead of flying the "overpowered" drake everyone is talking about. Afteral i am caldari who crostrained into the other races.
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