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Degen Lelmar	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:43:00 - [1] Hi im looking for a Rokh ratting build i need to know what to put in this ship to make it 0.0 ready can someone link me please. www.battleclinic.com << i need a better link as i cant seem to use that site i cant find anything on it. Thanks alot
TheG2 Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.07.29 18:57:00 - [2] You want to rat in a Rokh? Unless you're being convoyed by a large alliance (or depending on where you plan on going) expect to die. Rokhs are slow, slow to warp, slow to move, slow to align, slow. Fly something smaller, a BC or a HAC is pretty much all you should need for 0.0 ratting.
Nikita Alterana Gallente Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:14:00 - [3] 1. Sell Rokh 2. Buy Raven Rokh = Fleet ship Raven = anti-rat ship __________________________________________________
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:18:00 - [4] You'd be better off in a raven, as people have said, but...sure, why not: Highs - blasters Meds - 100MN MWD, generic shield tank Lows - Enough cap power relays to sustain your tank, then i-stabs for when something unpleasant shows up. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:20:00 - [5] The only excuse for ratting in a Rokh is if your in a fleet fit and are ratting when your not supposed to. My advice on how to do it is fit for range (2 x tracking computer 2 /w range script, 1 with no script), use Lead, with MWD it should be no problem maintaining range and the range should be enough tank besides whatever buffer you have. Drones can kill anything small and fast enough to get out to you in time. ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property "You better get down, or you gonna lay down!"
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Tarminic You'd be better off in a raven, as people have said, but...sure, why not: Highs - blasters Meds - 100MN MWD, generic shield tank Lows - Enough cap power relays to sustain your tank, then i-stabs for when something unpleasant shows up. No I-stabs. you should be aligned to a safe in the first place ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property "You better get down, or you gonna lay down!"
Kaakao Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:21:00 - [7] Ships & Modules are that way ->> thank you ----
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.07.29 20:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Kaakao Ships & Modules are that way ->> thank you TBQH, I thought this was ships and modules, then again no Liang...should have known... ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property "You better get down, or you gonna lay down!"
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.29 21:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Salvar Ar'adim Originally by: Tarminic You'd be better off in a raven, as people have said, but...sure, why not: Highs - blasters Meds - 100MN MWD, generic shield tank Lows - Enough cap power relays to sustain your tank, then i-stabs for when something unpleasant shows up. No I-stabs. you should be aligned to a safe in the first place If you're using blasters you'll have a hard time staying aligned if you plan on doing damage for long. With a few i-stabs the rokh should be able to align and hit warp in 5-6 seconds, which is enough time to get yourself safe if you're watching local. Though you could also throw in a nanofiber for faster acceleration. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:02:00 - [10] Edited by: P''uck on 29/07/2008 22:05:24 Haven't flown the Rokh for beltratting, and I'm not sure how it works out with cap eating weapons, but I'd probably try somethign along these lines for a start and work from there: [Rokh, Beltpwn] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Medium Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Cap Recharger II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Power Diags over any other item, because you can actually "buffertank" most belts with that kind of DPS. Only 2, tho, since anything less than 3 dmgmods is ... well... not debatable Web for convenience. You wont need probably, since you will be approaching and they are running, and so transversal is low, and for those frigs it wont be enough anyway. BUT! it keeps them from running all over the place. Tbh, I would actually swap it for another cap recharger. Medium shield booster because you will rarely need a real tank at all, use the correct hardeners, soak up dmg, boost up when yorue done. you could even consider a small faction one, they are not that expensive and can probably be permarun, if you want to. If you run only the guns or only the booster, you should be able to regain enough cap for another burn to the next rat. I set up my phoon for sub 10k in belts and it put out comparable dps, but really, in that case the capless weapons were a huuuge advantage. I have no clue if you can pull it off with cap eating guns. And to end this useless post, let me say this: A raven with torps and some missile rigs will top that performance using MUCH less SP. edit: wait a sec, he only said "0.0 ready", maybe he meant fleets

JanoMark Smoke n Burn Intrepid Proprietary Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:03:00 - [11] The guy was asking for a setup, not to buy a raven, not to tell him he shouldn't do it, not any of that bs. So I'm going to give you what I use in nullsec. [Rokh, Blaster PvE] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Large Shield Booster II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Shield Boost Amplifier I 100MN Afterburner II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Infiltrator II x5 You can perma run your tank, you have speed to get to rats,and you have DPS to tear them a new one. Don't put I-Stabs or any of that bull, just pay attention to local. Enjoy it, the Rokh is awesome and glad to see others are using it =D
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:04:00 - [12] Edited by: Salvar Ar''adim on 29/07/2008 22:05:38 Edited by: Salvar Ar''adim on 29/07/2008 22:05:11 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Salvar Ar'adim Originally by: Tarminic You'd be better off in a raven, as people have said, but...sure, why not: Highs - blasters Meds - 100MN MWD, generic shield tank Lows - Enough cap power relays to sustain your tank, then i-stabs for when something unpleasant shows up. No I-stabs. you should be aligned to a safe in the first place If you're using blasters you'll have a hard time staying aligned if you plan on doing damage for long. With a few i-stabs the rokh should be able to align and hit warp in 5-6 seconds, which is enough time to get yourself safe if you're watching local. Though you could also throw in a nanofiber for faster acceleration. my bad, i didn't read you had put down blasters.... i wouldnt use those either Take advantage of the range bonus, with 350s you have great tracking and very good range. With lead and Antimatter in the cargo you can alter the range as needed... and you can fit MWD + a really good tank and still have room for dmg and cap mods If you want a short range caldari ratting ship, you will be much happier with a raven + it still has slots for tractor beam and cloak with 6 x siege fit.....but you did say that in the first place.... ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property "You better get down, or you gonna lay down!"
JanoMark Smoke n Burn Intrepid Proprietary Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Salvar Ar'adim my bad, i didn't read you had put down blasters.... i wouldnt use those either Take advantage of the range bonus, with 350s you have great tracking and very good range. With lead and Antimatter in the cargo you can alter the range as needed... and you can fit MWD + a really good tank and still have room for dmg and cap mods If you want a short range caldari ratting ship, you will be much happier with a raven + it still has slots for tractor beam and cloak with 6 x siege fit.....but you did say that in the first place.... Yeah it has range but using rails will give you really bad DPS, and in that case you would be better off with a Raven.
d3vo The Space BorderLine United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Tarminic You'd be better off in a raven, as people have said, but...sure, why not: Highs - blasters Meds - 100MN MWD, generic shield tank Lows - Enough cap power relays to sustain your tank, then i-stabs for when something unpleasant shows up. flame CAP POWER RELAYS DESTROY AN ACTIVE SHIELD TANK!!!! /flame sigh __________ \(^.^)/
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:17:00 - [15] Edited by: P''uck on 29/07/2008 22:17:22 Originally by: d3vo flame CAP POWER RELAYS DESTROY AN ACTIVE SHIELD TANK!!!! /flame sigh For closerange belt setups with mwd that cap is more important than the full boost, especially on a ship with resist bonus to shields and, well, lots of shields.
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:25:00 - [16] Edited by: P''uck on 29/07/2008 22:32:19 Originally by: JanoMark That's a decent setup though I don't totally agree with your setup. Agree with switching out hardeners for specific dmg. Also agree Rokh requires a lot of SP invested in making it good, which I have done myself bc I think the ship is amazing. Also my setup comes from experience ;D What part exactly don't you like? edit: after some consideration id really drop the web for another cap charger, to make it even easier: tank and guns can be permarun, after the target pops wait a few til your huge recharge rate kicks in, and youre good to go. you really dont need the web to keep the buggers in place. shortrange targets: move away. long range targets: keep at 2km. drones for everything sub bs, but you probably chain em anyway. About the experience: I ratted very efficiently in an MWD phoon with a 3slot medium shield tank and like 4/2 dmg mods or something Totally weird setup, but it kicked rat-ass like it's going out of fashion. Almost 800dps for like lvl-3 ish skills in the weapon/support skills. If the phoon can do it with less shield hp, the rokh can do it even better. well, if were looking at sansha, id do it differently, but lets just assume its not sanshas.
Dzajic Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:26:00 - [17] Seriously, rat in Rokh only if you have bajillion SP in gunnery and less than 100,000 in missiles.
JanoMark Smoke n Burn Intrepid Proprietary Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:34:00 - [18] Originally by: P'uck Originally by: JanoMark That's a decent setup though I don't totally agree with your setup. Agree with switching out hardeners for specific dmg. Also agree Rokh requires a lot of SP invested in making it good, which I have done myself bc I think the ship is amazing. Also my setup comes from experience ;D What part exactly don't you like? About the experience: I ratted very efficiently in an MWD phoon with a 3slot medium shield tank and like 4/2 dmg mods or something Totally weird setup, but it kicked rat-ass like it's going out of fashion. Almost 800dps for like lvl-3 ish skills in the weapon/support skills. If the phoon can do it with less shield hp, the rokh can do it even better. well, if were looking at sansha, id do it differently, but lets just assume its not sanshas. We'll your getting full DPS, which is nice, but personally I don't think the tank will hold well against top level spawns. But you know what I'm going to give it a try when I can and I'll let you know how it turns up ;D
P'uck	Posted - 2008.07.29 22:46:00 - [19] Originally by: JanoMark But you know what I'm going to give it a try when I can and I'll let you know how it turns up ;D sweet
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.07.29 23:39:00 - [20] Edited by: Salvar Ar''adim on 29/07/2008 23:39:21 Originally by: d3vo flame CAP POWER RELAYS DESTROY AN ACTIVE SHIELD TANK!!!! /flame sigh I didnt even catch that the first time around, tarminic; no offense but I disagree with everything on that setup except the MWD and tank ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property "You better get down, or you gonna lay down!"

Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.07.29 23:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Salvar Ar'adim Edited by: Salvar Ar''adim on 29/07/2008 23:39:21 Originally by: d3vo flame CAP POWER RELAYS DESTROY AN ACTIVE SHIELD TANK!!!! /flame sigh I didnt even catch that the first time around, tarminic; no offense but I disagree with everything on that setup except the MWD and tank You could go blasters (its kind of "the hard way") to make money ratting. Rails might be low DPS but you can sit outside NPC's engagement range. As for the Cap Power Relay; I'd use a flux coil over that and given the choice, neither. Go with PDU,s and choose between CCCs or an injector (or both), I fight a lot of NOS'ing rats so i would go injector just to be safe anyhow.... -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.30 16:16:00 - [22] Edited by: Tarminic on 30/07/2008 16:16:47 Originally by: Salvar Ar'adim Edited by: Salvar Ar''adim on 29/07/2008 23:39:21 Originally by: d3vo flame CAP POWER RELAYS DESTROY AN ACTIVE SHIELD TANK!!!! /flame sigh I didnt even catch that the first time around, tarminic; no offense but I disagree with everything on that setup except the MWD and tank Harm, yes. Destroy? Not so much. Their penalty, interestingly enough, is stacking-nerfed. With an XL booster and a shield boost amp he'd still be able to tank 0.0 rats. 3 cap power relays hurt your boost by about 27%, and get you a much better regen then swapping your shield boost amp for a cap recharger. Go ahead, run the numbers yourself. Yeah, you could use PDUs or flux coils to maintain cap and tank 27% better, but I didn't think that tanking the rats would be a big problem, especially with the Rokh's resistance bonus and the speed at which you'll chew through the rats. EDIT: And I went with blasters over rails because they'll still benefit a bit from the optimal boost and I assumed that he was looting. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Salvar Ar'adim State Property	Posted - 2008.07.30 19:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 30/07/2008 16:16:47 Originally by: Salvar Ar'adim Edited by: Salvar Ar''adim on 29/07/2008 23:39:21 Originally by: d3vo flame CAP POWER RELAYS DESTROY AN ACTIVE SHIELD TANK!!!! /flame sigh I didnt even catch that the first time around, tarminic; no offense but I disagree with everything on that setup except the MWD and tank Harm, yes. Destroy? Not so much. Their penalty, interestingly enough, is stacking-nerfed. With an XL booster and a shield boost amp he'd still be able to tank 0.0 rats. 3 cap power relays hurt your boost by about 27%, and get you a much better regen then swapping your shield boost amp for a cap recharger. Go ahead, run the numbers yourself. Yeah, you could use PDUs or flux coils to maintain cap and tank 27% better, but I didn't think that tanking the rats would be a big problem, especially with the Rokh's resistance bonus and the speed at which you'll chew through the rats. EDIT: And I went with blasters over rails because they'll still benefit a bit from the optimal boost and I assumed that he was looting. I'd still say go with 2 x SBA IIs and an injector, PDUs in the lows. That way you have more shield, more cap, it recharges faster and more PG to use for fitting.....don't need as many resist mods due to the natural bonus and i like to use resist rigs to keep things cheap ______ Salvar Ar'Adim [RLLUP]State Property Originally by: CCP Wrangler Get Chribba to publically denounce Veldspar, then we can start discussing winning EVE...


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