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Test your software or your users will!

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Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin

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Was a good change.

No support.

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Originally by: Dannie Trejo

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Dualboxing one character who flies a Falcon and a Buzzard and another who flies a Thanatos is a total nightmare because of this restriction. While it should be just a two click process to switch from one hull to another, instead it takes five minutes of shuffling scan probes and LO around just so I can keep my cargohold full of the things I need to go about my business.

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Originally by: Irongut

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Scan probes are a form of ammunition and can be in the hold of stored ships.

There was a reason for this nerf, carriers had become the Swiss Army knife of EVE. If they undo this nerf then we go back to that and within a few months they'll be looking at another, perhaps bigger carrier nerf. Do you want any of the changes from the infamous reviled dev blog instead?

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Originally by: Irongut

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Originally by: Dannie Trejo

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Dualboxing one character who flies a Falcon and a Buzzard and another who flies a Thanatos is a total nightmare because of this restriction. While it should be just a two click process to switch from one hull to another, instead it takes five minutes of shuffling scan probes and LO around just so I can keep my cargohold full of the things I need to go about my business.

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Scan probes are a form of ammunition and can be in the hold of stored ships.

There was a reason for this nerf, carriers had become the Swiss Army knife of EVE. If they undo this nerf then we go back to that and within a few months they'll be looking at another, perhaps bigger carrier nerf. Do you want any of the changes from the infamous reviled dev blog instead?

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Originally by: Entelechia

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Carriers had become the haulers of EVE because there was nothing else. There is something else, something better, now: Jump Freighters and Rorquals. This change was instituted to force people to switch to those ships: They have. The people that have switched to them aren't all the sudden going to go back to using carriers, because they will never carry as much. Reverting this change makes those of us who use our carriers FOR THE INTENDED PURPOSE, have an easier time of it. That intended purpose is front line logistics and combat support.

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Originally by: Ranerro

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I agree the restriction is a nuisance, but it fixed a real problem, so the new fix should not bring back the old problem. Disallowing haulers in the bay is one option for solving both problems at the same time.

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Originally by: xttz

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Devs, if it really bothers you then just change it to not being able to store a ship with more than 1000m3 in its cargo bay.

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Originally by: Irongut

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Originally by: Dannie Trejo

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Dualboxing one character who flies a Falcon and a Buzzard and another who flies a Thanatos is a total nightmare because of this restriction. While it should be just a two click process to switch from one hull to another, instead it takes five minutes of shuffling scan probes and LO around just so I can keep my cargohold full of the things I need to go about my business.

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Scan probes are a form of ammunition and can be in the hold of stored ships.

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There was a reason for this nerf, carriers had become the Swiss Army knife of EVE. If they undo this nerf then we go back to that and within a few months they'll be looking at another, perhaps bigger carrier nerf. Do you want any of the changes from the infamous reviled dev blog instead?

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Originally by: Luckyduck

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Edited by: Luckyduck on 02/08/2008 07:46:34
now that all the goons have voted:

No, it's ment to add diversity of ships. Carrier gaining this effect again would limit the amount of use of rouqals and jump freighters b/c people w/carriers would solo haul every thing rather than actually train for freighters or ask for help. Why waste time and money on a virtually undefendable ship to move that valuable cargo when you can run a carrier and defend better.

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Originally by: Luckyduck

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Edited by: Luckyduck on 02/08/2008 07:46:34
No, it's ment to add diversity of ships. Carrier gaining this effect again would limit the amount of use of rouqals and jump freighters b/c people w/carriers would solo haul every thing rather than actually train for freighters or ask for help. Why waste time and money on a virtually undefendable ship to move that valuable cargo when you can run a carrier and defend better.

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Originally by: Phillipe d'Rothschild

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Originally by: Luckyduck

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Edited by: Luckyduck on 02/08/2008 07:46:34
No, it's ment to add diversity of ships. Carrier gaining this effect again would limit the amount of use of rouqals and jump freighters b/c people w/carriers would solo haul every thing rather than actually train for freighters or ask for help. Why waste time and money on a virtually undefendable ship to move that valuable cargo when you can run a carrier and defend better.

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As long as it's cheaper to haul mass quantities of stuff via Jump Freighter/Rorqual, they will still see use. My carrier alt trained up jump freighters for this very reason. Carrier got hit hard with the nerf, as it pulled much of the intended ship hauling functionality out of the carrier and also eliminated much of the ISK making potential you got from having one in deep 0.0 space. If you're going to rat in 0.0 and are smart you don't use a carrier. CCP intended JF's for large alliances, so what are the smaller alliances supposed to utilize?

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Originally by: 0mega

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Originally by: Ranerro

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I agree the restriction is a nuisance, but it fixed a real problem, so the new fix should not bring back the old problem. Disallowing haulers in the bay is one option for solving both problems at the same time.

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Originally by: xttz

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Devs, if it really bothers you then just change it to not being able to store a ship with more than 1000m3 in its cargo bay.

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Originally by: Tirk Umpat

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Originally by: Luckyduck

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Originally by: Phillipe d'Rothschild

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Originally by: Luckyduck

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Edited by: Luckyduck on 02/08/2008 07:46:34
No, it's ment to add diversity of ships. Carrier gaining this effect again would limit the amount of use of rouqals and jump freighters b/c people w/carriers would solo haul every thing rather than actually train for freighters or ask for help. Why waste time and money on a virtually undefendable ship to move that valuable cargo when you can run a carrier and defend better.

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As long as it's cheaper to haul mass quantities of stuff via Jump Freighter/Rorqual, they will still see use. My carrier alt trained up jump freighters for this very reason. Carrier got hit hard with the nerf, as it pulled much of the intended ship hauling functionality out of the carrier and also eliminated much of the ISK making potential you got from having one in deep 0.0 space. If you're going to rat in 0.0 and are smart you don't use a carrier. CCP intended JF's for large alliances, so what are the smaller alliances supposed to utilize?

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With the added ship cargo and the jump distance bonus, a carrier would easily replace a rouqal with this change. If they say hey, ok, sure, but no haulers, then i'd support it.

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Originally by: ManOfTeflon

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Not if they haul significantly less per trip which - guess what - they would. Nice try, though.

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Originally by: Ranerro

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Edited by: Ranerro on 03/08/2008 03:17:15
Edited by: Ranerro on 03/08/2008 03:16:48

Originally by: ManOfTeflon

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Not if they haul significantly less per trip which - guess what - they would. Nice try, though.

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Wrong. Without some restriction, a carrier could hold about 120,000 m3 (3 itty5's, expanded and rigged to 35,000 m3 each or whatever it is). When they were nerfed, the SMB was increased in size, so in fact without limiting the role of haulers in the SMB, they could now be very effective at moving cargo without some other way of preventing that.

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Originally by: Orb Lati

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Of coarse you would have to provide warnings indicated cargo exceeding limit when you try to move a ship to a carrier maintenace bay.

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