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Qduhaf
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Posted - 2008.07.30 18:54:00 -
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There have really been 2 major types of PvP engagements over at least the past 6 months, the blob (I consider a blob anything over 10 people so this includes large fleet warfare, gate camping and roaming blobs) and roaming nano gangs (which are now often over 10 so really a nanoblob, fast gangs that can cover large areas of space quickly and execute hit and run tactics). You ofc also see low sec station campers and much discussed but rarely seen RR gangs.
Now CCP wants people to commit to fights and with the nerf patch seems that nanos will be significantly diminished (remains to be seen if vagas will still be viable, certainly fast enough still but limited agility might kill them).
So what remains? Blobs seem to be the order of the day for roaming, followed closely by sniper/ECM combo, and perhaps an incresae in RR gangs (with ECM, but RR gangs require a great deal of coordination to actually pull off).
But are blobs really what this game needs? At least with nanos you had some people fly in small gangs (1-5) doing hit and runs, I doubt that those guys are going to do same now that they can't run away. If CCP wants you to commit to fights, and remove the most effective small gang tools, what is PVP going to look like?
ofc I'd love some thoughtful discussion, but don't expect it. Nor do I expect CCP to take note, blobs are probably good for their business (just like logoffskis, cloaking ratters, alliance subsidies via moon mining are all designed to increase the number of players not the game playing experience).
Finally and related PVP in this game has taken on a totally different meaning after all the various forms of jump bridges were introduced. Logisitics used to be a huge effort that require ships to move through systems. Now you just need to lock down (blob) a system for a couple minutes, jump everything in/out and your done for a month.
my 2c, this game would be a lot more fun if they removed all forms of jump bridges and introduced complexities that made large fleets (over 10) much more difficult to manage.
If you respond pls do constructively, I already know where WOW is, have got a100 level kitty on HKO, and know you want my stuff.
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justsometrader
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Qduhaf
have got a100 level kitty on HKO
LOL then you must have the bllue kitten, LOL they will get nerfed aswell soon...
btw: since this is the 12323th whinpost about the same thing, you not really expect people to answer constructivly, do you ???
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:05:00 -
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Wow, another thread on this. I was really thinking that we didn't have enough threads on this already.
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: McDonALTs on 30/07/2008 19:09:47
Nano created the blob. Because teh blob can move as fast as its fasted member, a 8k/sec crow means the blob can warp to it thus removing any anti-blob tactics.
Now that nano is nerfed, people can use tactics again because distance now has a meaning in eve, so small lean mean 20 man bs can take out 100man clumsey bs blobs again just like they used to do so back before nano was introduced.
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Jenna Shame
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 30/07/2008 19:09:47
Nano created the blob. Because teh blob can move as fast as its fasted member, a 8k/sec crow means the blob can warp to it thus removing any anti-blob tactics.
Now that nano is nerfed, people can use tactics again because distance now has a meaning in eve, so small lean mean 20 man bs can take out 100man clumsey bs blobs again just like they used to do so back before nano was introduced.
This is a troll right? Its like you vomited stupid on my computer screen.
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Plumpy McPudding on 30/07/2008 19:14:23
Originally by: Jenna Shame
Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 30/07/2008 19:09:47
Nano created the blob. Because teh blob can move as fast as its fasted member, a 8k/sec crow means the blob can warp to it thus removing any anti-blob tactics.
Now that nano is nerfed, people can use tactics again because distance now has a meaning in eve, so small lean mean 20 man bs can take out 100man clumsey bs blobs again just like they used to do so back before nano was introduced.
This is a troll right? Its like you vomited stupid on my computer screen.
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: McDonALTs on 30/07/2008 19:22:59
Originally by: Jenna Shame
Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 30/07/2008 19:09:47
Nano created the blob. Because teh blob can move as fast as its fasted member, a 8k/sec crow means the blob can warp to it thus removing any anti-blob tactics.
Now that nano is nerfed, people can use tactics again because distance now has a meaning in eve, so small lean mean 20 man bs can take out 100man clumsey bs blobs again just like they used to do so back before nano was introduced.
This is a troll right? Its like you vomited stupid on my computer screen.
read the thread I created on Anti-blob tactics and also play real game pvp. Look at vids from 2 years ago where 20 bs kills 100 clumsey blobbers etc etc.
Tactics will now return to eve as nano had rendered all anti-blob tactics as obsolete.
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Ron Bacardi
Caldari
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:24:00 -
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Pilots flying nano-fitted ships are more able to dictate the course of an engagement than any other type of gang. They can choose when to engage and when to disengage. This type of control is certainly a key to success for any engagement and not having any degree of this control is frustrating to most pilots. For the most part (there are exceptions....called tactics), other gangs can only act reactively to what a nano gang is doing.
This nerf is going to give some of the power to non-nano-fitted gangs.
Haven't decided if i agree with the nerf or not.
Just my 2 cents.
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.30 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ron Bacardi
Pilots flying nano-fitted ships are more able to dictate the course of an engagement than any other type of gang. They can choose when to engage and when to disengage. This type of control is certainly a key to success for any engagement and not having any degree of this control is frustrating to most pilots. For the most part (there are exceptions....called tactics), other gangs can only act reactively to what a nano gang is doing.
This nerf is going to give some of the power to non-nano-fitted gangs.
Haven't decided if i agree with the nerf or not.
Just my 2 cents.
The latest nano tactic was Nano mach that would jump in with you and MWD 160km away sniping you before you could even get a lock. This and other "GOD MODE" tactics compleatly killed off pvp and I know dozens of people who quit eve due to this.
Since hearing of the fix, they are all going to resubscribe again.
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Deja Thoris
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.30 20:06:00 -
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Dozens of people quit because of the nano machs running riot over eve? Do you even believe the shit you post?
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.07.30 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 30/07/2008 19:22:59
Originally by: Jenna Shame
Originally by: McDonALTs
Edited by: McDonALTs on 30/07/2008 19:09:47
Nano created the blob. Because teh blob can move as fast as its fasted member, a 8k/sec crow means the blob can warp to it thus removing any anti-blob tactics.
Now that nano is nerfed, people can use tactics again because distance now has a meaning in eve, so small lean mean 20 man bs can take out 100man clumsey bs blobs again just like they used to do so back before nano was introduced.
This is a troll right? Its like you vomited stupid on my computer screen.
read the thread I created on Anti-blob tactics and also play real game pvp. Look at vids from 2 years ago where 20 bs kills 100 clumsey blobbers etc etc.
Tactics will now return to eve as nano had rendered all anti-blob tactics as obsolete.
Actually he is not completely wrong. What you are not considering tho is nano allowed smaller gangs to jump into enemy blobs. That will no longer be possible.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.30 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 30/07/2008 21:12:32
Originally by: Qduhaf
There have really been 2 major types of PvP engagements over at least the past 6 months, the blob (I consider a blob anything over 10 people so this includes large fleet warfare, gate camping and roaming blobs) and roaming nano gangs (which are now often over 10 so really a nanoblob, fast gangs that can cover large areas of space quickly and execute hit and run tactics). You ofc also see low sec station campers and much discussed but rarely seen RR gangs.
So, wait, you have the blob and the nanoblob now. Nerfing nanos means they're nerfing half of the blobs, and it's generally the more lethal part since they're able to cover space faster / catch targets easier. So, CCP IS nerfing blobs. Nanoblobs.
Seriously, a few paragraphs later you go on and talk about nano-gangs, even though they're just a blob of another variety. You admitted it in the first part, anyway: nanos are used for blobbing and killing outnumbered opponents more often then not. So cut it with the 'omg, blobs will now rule'. Blobs already rule, they're just going to be slower blobs now.
At any rate, I see myself soloing much much more post changes, and mostly in frigate-sized hulls. It's going to be very fun.
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Jenna Shame
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Posted - 2008.08.02 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jenna Shame on 02/08/2008 03:46:35
Originally by: McDonALTs
read the thread I created on Anti-blob tactics and also play real game pvp. Look at vids from 2 years ago where 20 bs kills 100 clumsey blobbers etc etc.
Tactics will now return to eve as nano had rendered all anti-blob tactics as obsolete.
I read it, I think you are completely wrong.
Nanos didn't create the blob, not at all. Warp to zero created the blob most than any single factor but no, not nannos, with warp to zero you can move a BS sniper fleet very quickly, you should try one with a competent group some time. Don't start talking about bookmarks because they were far harder to use, organize, and in a true blob fleet many didn't have them, even in big alliances. The only nanno ships would be a couple of tacklers.
Nanos let you play DESPITE the blob. You jump into a large camped bubble, you still had a chance of escaping.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2008.08.02 03:50:00 -
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...and they did it because they hate you personally. By having confirmed sucess in their goal of frustrating you, the infamous Qduhaf, you have sealed their plans. Celebration party tonight at 8.
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Wen Jaibao
Soul Ripper Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.02 07:06:00 -
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MY NANONERF WHINE THREAD IS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING
1X TL;DR
1X FAIL
9001X TEARS
No new whines/thoughts etc.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.02 07:18:00 -
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OVER NINE THOUSAND!??!
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Xonkra
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.02 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wen Jaibao
MY NANONERF WHINE THREAD IS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING
1X TL;DR
1X FAIL
9001X TEARS
No new whines/thoughts etc.
Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
OVER NINE THOUSAND!??!
WIN
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Krows
Caldari
Resource Reallocators Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.02 07:33:00 -
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This thread sucks.
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Arlenna Molatov
Caldari
The 59th Parallel
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Posted - 2008.08.02 07:37:00 -
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Look out!!
Waaaaaambulance comming through.........
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.02 08:24:00 -
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It's been thoroughly proven, Nano whines the fastest.
Bravo.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.02 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Qduhaf
Now CCP wants people to commit to fights and with the nerf patch seems that nanos will be significantly diminished (remains to be seen if vagas will still be viable, certainly fast enough still but limited agility might kill them).
In addition, blobs means a variety of ships is being used; nano does not.
Variety is good; the same tiny handful of ships using the same setups is not.
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So what remains? Blobs seem to be the order of the day for roaming, followed closely by sniper/ECM combo, and perhaps an incresae in RR gangs (with ECM, but RR gangs require a great deal of coordination to actually pull off).
The thing is, CCP didn't choose blobs – the players did. CCP chose what's described above: committing to combat and combat variety. The players are the ones who will now (supposedly) translate those restriction (for the lack of a better word) into blobbing.
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.02 09:39:00 -
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well so far theres 2x more people playing eve who dont want the nano nerf than those who want it
hahaahhaha noobs, you tell use to adapt or die, yet your the ones who failed to adapt to nanos
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Ioci
Gallente
Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.08.02 10:39:00 -
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Someone in another thread sort of eluded to it. In a nutshell a dozen devs got together in FW and were owned by a nano fleet so out comes the bat because it isn't like Nano fleets are a new thing. I'd like to think it's a rendering and performance issue but it's hard to do that.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:31:00 -
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From what some folks told me blob warfare also got nerfed because of acceleration rates on heavier slugfests ships are deplorable enough to null the advantage of align to and warp out, which is an important aspect in keeping ships from melting instantly which isnt going to be a case anymore.
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Chaos Incarnate
Has No Face
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Posted - 2008.08.02 11:35:00 -
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Can I have your....
Originally by: Qduhaf
...and know you want my stuff.
Oh good! I see someone has already alerted you. Gimme your stuff, then. 
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