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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Mia Archer
I just thought i would point this out too, if Nanos are so incredibly awesome and invicible and theres NO way ou can kill them look on outbreak's killboards for a battle in 1p-wgb on 2007-05-03 at around 14:19 and explain how if nanos are so awesome you can kill them (including interceptors) with a ****ing dreadnought
Lag
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:38:00 -
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So whos KB can I go visit to see a kill mail of a ship set up like that. I am sure with it being so similar to nano ships that someone PVPing must be using it.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: MilowFV
So whos KB can I go visit to see a kill mail of a ship set up like that. I am sure with it being so similar to nano ships that someone PVPing must be using it.
most people use fits like that for mission running 
which is exactly why ravens need to be nerfed.
also this lets the people yelling adapt or die at the anti-nano-nerf whiners adapt or die, as they clearly haven't adapted to the nano warriors 
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teh punisher
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.31 03:56:00 -
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if someone is willing to spend 25+ billion to get that setup they deserve that tank
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:11:00 -
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I just want to add I think CCP is going a bit overboard on the nano nerf. I though it need to be look at, but the approch that CCP is taking seem way overboard to me, but o well thier game in the end if I dont like it I can alway quit (not that I plan to).
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
but nanos can run away from battle no matter what. sure they have to slow down to shot you and do damamge but then zoom they are invinable but deal 0 damage.
Strange that - my corps killed over 200 vagas/ishtars etc. Killed a vaga and an ishtar today alone.
And my corps got like 5 active guys in it. 2 Of which were active today.
Strange that these invulnerable ships get popped so frequently isnt it?
SKUNK
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.31 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: MotherMoon
but nanos can run away from battle no matter what. sure they have to slow down to shot you and do damamge but then zoom they are invinable but deal 0 damage.
Strange that - my corps killed over 200 vagas/ishtars etc. Killed a vaga and an ishtar today alone.
And my corps got like 5 active guys in it. 2 Of which were active today.
Strange that these invulnerable ships get popped so frequently isnt it?
SKUNK
you are just lucky you were fighting nanos and not shield tanked ravens 
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: MotherMoon
but nanos can run away from battle no matter what. sure they have to slow down to shot you and do damamge but then zoom they are invinable but deal 0 damage.
Strange that - my corps killed over 200 vagas/ishtars etc. Killed a vaga and an ishtar today alone.
And my corps got like 5 active guys in it. 2 Of which were active today.
Strange that these invulnerable ships get popped so frequently isnt it?
SKUNK
you are just lucky you were fighting nanos and not shield tanked ravens
lolololol :)
SKUNK
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TOD hamm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: teh punisher
if someone is willing to spend 25+ billion to get that setup they deserve that tank
then why ppl spend 5.5b for a nano hac and dont deserve the higher speed??
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TOD hamm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 05:20:00 -
[70]
Originally by: MilowFV
I just want to add I think CCP is going a bit overboard on the nano nerf. I though it need to be look at, but the approch that CCP is taking seem way overboard to me, but o well thier game in the end if I dont like it I can alway quit (not that I plan to).
in sisi the ratting ship with gun may killed by rat, bkz you never gonna hit them and they run faster then you
hahahaha
GJ CCP
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.07.31 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 31/07/2008 06:51:51
Originally by: Emperor Aeoth
lets see how ccp stupxxx
CCP Atropos > sigh
CCP Atropos > it's simple really
CCP Atropos > when it becomes the de facto method for fighting
CCP Atropos > it needs ot be nerfed
CCP Atropos > simple as really
hmm that would mean guns/launchers/drones have to be nerfed, everyone uses it! YEAH NERF ALL WEAPONS, TOO MUCH DMG, THEY NEED BE TAKEN OUT OF THE GAME!
I flew nano myself and I dont care about the changes, I like some, some are strange BUT this argumentation is just OGRE CRAP.
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Caldrion Dosto
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:02:00 -
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Quote:
Strange that - my corps killed over 200 vagas/ishtars etc. Killed a vaga and an ishtar today alone.
True, nano pilot myself, and all it takes to lose the ship is that you make a little mistake.. Then your ****ed.. And that is expensive.
But hey why donŠt we nerf Armour tanks, almost all PvPTrs use them, its the "Defacto" way of fighting in Fleet battles, Some thing must change!!!
I propose scrapping all tanks exept Structure tank so we can have "balance" and no one will be different, since we all know "different" is DANGEROUOS................
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:01:00 -
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The OP's fit is unrealistic as it run out of cap in a few moments due to solidifyer rigs.
Nobody uses a fit like the OP's since they cannot run mission or tank in pvp at all with it. Find me a single eve player that has ever used that fit.
Its like people putting a capital shield booster on a malestrom. Just because you can does not mean to say people do.
The nano fits, however, were used regularly. Heck nano mach that would jump in with you then mwd 170km away and snipe you by the time you lock it with sensor boosted rapier is a example of how broken nano made this game.
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TOD hamm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: TOD hamm on 31/07/2008 09:12:39
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TOD hamm
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: McDonALTs
The OP's fit is unrealistic as it run out of cap in a few moments due to solidifyer rigs.
Nobody uses a fit like the OP's since they cannot run mission or tank in pvp at all with it. Find me a single eve player that has ever used that fit.
Its like people putting a capital shield booster on a malestrom. Just because you can does not mean to say people do.
The nano fits, however, were used regularly. Heck nano mach that would jump in with you then mwd 170km away and snipe you by the time you lock it with sensor boosted rapier is a example of how broken nano made this game.
Heck nano mach that would jump in with you then mwd 170km away and snipe you
lol,could plz tell me which hac can do these??
and i also post a 4.5b worth fit with raven and still have8-10 times eh/s then normal fit .
so the ppl spend 4.5b for these desire awesome tank
but the nano do not.
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ImUrDestiny
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:16:00 -
[76]
Originally by: TOD hamm
Originally by: Karanth
MY RAVEN IS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING:
cant see
LMAO, what a ******
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Elirel
Alpha.Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: teh punisher
if someone is willing to spend 25+ billion to get that setup they deserve that tank
So just because someone has isk he is allowed to play on /godmode_on? Riiiight? Right! Why someody willing to spend 10 billions on nanostuff isn't allowed to have his 10km/s?
To everyone saying that neutralizer will take care of this shield... please refer to general nanowhine counter argument #5432 stating that "neutralizer will disable nanos".
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Karl Luckner
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Posted - 2008.07.31 09:58:00 -
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Dear OP, drugs are bad. Your setup will instapop if pitted against 20 Fleetships. No boost amount in the world would change this.
So please feel free to fit a ship with those mods on TQ, send me an ingame message with a location, and demonstrate your imbaness to me. 
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:47:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Elirel
Originally by: teh punisher
if someone is willing to spend 25+ billion to get that setup they deserve that tank
So just because someone has isk he is allowed to play on /godmode_on? Riiiight? Right! Why someody willing to spend 10 billions on nanostuff isn't allowed to have his 10km/s?
To everyone saying that neutralizer will take care of this shield... please refer to general nanowhine counter argument #5432 stating that "neutralizer will disable nanos".
Because the 25 bil ship will be locked down and then killed after enough people show up and the fast ship (which was a fraction of the cost, anyway) will just fly away giggling?
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.31 10:51:00 -
[80]
Edited by: McDonALTs on 31/07/2008 10:51:32
Originally by: Karl Luckner
Dear OP, drugs are bad. Your setup will instapop if pitted against 20 Fleetships. No boost amount in the world would change this.
So please feel free to fit a ship with those mods on TQ, send me an ingame message with a location, and demonstrate your imbaness to me.
The OP's setup would die in any lvl4, Lol. It only has enough cap for less than a minute worth of boost.
Thats the problem with solidifyer rigs. Massive capacitor requirements due to shorter cycle time.
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General Paul
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.07.31 11:52:00 -
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''12716 eh/s ''
No ones mentioned alpha strike yet ?
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:34:00 -
[82]
Edited by: McDonALTs on 31/07/2008 12:36:21
Originally by: Emperor Aeoth
Edited by: Emperor Aeoth on 30/07/2008 22:36:12
for the ppl who are using faction/deadspace tank, they got 7897 effiency tank/sec, after overheat thats 10173 EH/s
and if they use drug ,they will get 12716 EH/s
skills
shield operation V (5 % bonus on recharge spped )
implants
* Pirate Implants - CRYSTAL - 53.63% bonus shield amount
Modules
invul field (shield resistances +50%)
x-large shield booster 840hp/4sec
shield boost amplifier (shield boost +45%)
Rigs
core defence operational solidfier II(duration -20%)
Gang Bonus
Module:
Siege WArefare Link- Active Shielding---Duration -23.52%
Siege WArefare Link- All resist +23.52
Boosters
blue pill bosster (shield boost bouns 25%)
Over heat
shield boost +10%
duration -15%
From these we know the shield tank realy need a big nerf, 12716 eh/s is realy unbeatable.
Your Fit is impossible since a Raven lacks Calibration to fit 3 x Solidifyers II. Invuls also do 25% not 50%.
You got your whole setup incorrect and it repairs 0 E/HP due to being unable to undock after fitting.
Even if it were possible you have a hacked Raven with overheat to get your numbers, it would be a total of 5 Effective HP/Sec excluding natural regen since it would run out of cap by the time you lock a cruiser due to cap drain from rigs etc.
Your raven has a Cap Drain of 8 Heavy Neuts!
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: General Paul
''12716 eh/s ''
No ones mentioned alpha strike yet ?
No Need. Such a raven cannot fire its booster for long, since it has a effective cap drain of 8.5 Heavy neuts if it uses its X-large Bosoter II
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Lily Cole
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Posted - 2008.07.31 12:46:00 -
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Juicy juicy nanonubble tears... so sweet.
So juicy....
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Bfoster
Minmatar
Rising Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:05:00 -
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For the OP... My idea of the nerf.. Nerf Punishment
Death to the nerf bat!
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Exlegion
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.31 14:28:00 -
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I agree with the OP. There just isn't a reasonable counter to shield tanks. They're the new nano. They choose to engage and disengage from fights. They're the hardest tanks to kill. The only things that can even come close to breaking a shield tank is guns and missile launchers, and maybe neuts and nos. Other than that they're pretty much invincible. They're just way over-powered.
CCP, please fix.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Ms Vanity
Caldari
Hulk Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:03:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Mia Archer
I just thought i would point this out too, if Nanos are so incredibly awesome and invicible and theres NO way ou can kill them look on outbreak's killboards for a battle in 1p-wgb on 2007-05-03 at around 14:19 and explain how if nanos are so awesome you can kill them (including interceptors) with a ****ing dreadnought
Good point. In over a year how many times did that occur?
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Randibuggah
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:28:00 -
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Dear OP... To get any kind of an UBER sheild tank.. or Armour tank for that matter.. you pretty much have to sacrifice everything that makes you usefull in a gang / fleet. Essentially you become a big fat .. slooowww target.
A Nanoship can tackle and be effective with even the most basic of "nano" setups.
I am sorry you're logic fails.. you don't get a doughnut..
And your logic makes Baby Jeebus cry.. shame on you...
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Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:35:00 -
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MY RAVEN IS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING
HIGHS: NOTHING
MIDS: 2x LSE II
3X INVULN II
1X SHIELD RECHARGER II
LOWS: 5X SPR II
RIGS: 3X CORE DEFENCE FIELD PURGER II'S
NO SPECIAL NAMED MODS
PASSIVE TANKS 778 DPS!!!
5X MEDIUM SHIELD REP DRONES BRINGS IT TO 874DPS
FIT 6X TORP II'S FOR AN ASSURED 500DPS/3.7K VOLLY AT 30KM.
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.07.31 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: McDonALTs on 31/07/2008 15:37:14
Hey, lets put on 5 Estamel X-Large Boosters, and 2 Estimal Amps, 1 Estamel Invul on a scorp with Solidifyer rigs and call the resuting 20,000DPS tank overpowers
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