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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.02 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 02/08/2008 12:31:41
 Originally by: Verone
Originally by: kryptteacher
contribute to the thread ... state some reasons.
It's a waste of time because the CSM has no real power.
It's a waste of time because there's a big pile of heavily biased people as representatives.
It's a waste of time because the chairman is overzealous, which has been proven.
It's a waste of time because regardless, players should never have the ability to decide on how it's developed.
It's a waste of time because the CSM is a hollow shadow of what it was originally intended to be, after the recent unpleasentness.
It's a waste of time because more than anything people are whinging about nerfing and boosting ships rather than actual game issues.
There are thousands more reasons, but frankly I can't be arsed to type them all.
Thank you for posting this saving me the trouble of writing.
I am going to put this in my bio when its gets un-nerfed.
Agree with Rells.
Actually...hmmm...what if CSM got dumped and folks like Rells and Verone (who actually understand the definition of "cold, dark, harsh universe (et al)" and how to play a game by those three descriptors) were given proper influence?
You know I'm right  .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.02 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
It means that I think you're probably a giant internet poseur who will shrivel up and hide in dark corners rather than come and share "your opinions" face to face in a bar Rule. :~
Actually I do pretty well ingame....and out.
And I actually attended the London EON awards too. And met, chatted, and laughed with quite a few diverse folks. Imagine that .
Judging by your internet posing...I'd probably look you up and down, smile politely, pretend to listen for a minute, and excuse myself politely to return to company that didn't suck .
Thanks for proving what an incredibly shallow individual you actually are though.
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General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.02 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Quin
Originally by: Jade Constantine
It means that I think you're probably a giant internet poseur who will shrivel up and hide in dark corners rather than come and share "your opinions" face to face in a bar Rule. :~
For the record, I'd like to state that RuleoftheBone is one of the scariest internet spaceship pilots I've ever met.
Awwww shucks whoever you are  .
No ransom discount though  .
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General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 03/08/2008 11:13:46
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 03/08/2008 10:56:56
Originally by: Eomar
Originally by: Rells
For all you know RuleOfTheBone is built like Mike Tyson.
Having met the man, not quite.
I would feel confident using the phrase "built like a brick shithouse"
In fairness I wouldnt expect him to ever resort to violence, or even think about it for that matter, least of all over a bloody game.
Even provoked with continual insults and childish behaviour id still expect him to act with far more decorum than our CSM's elected leader is apparently capable of.
Standing next to Verone makes anybody look big. It must be like looking up from the bottom of a well in a crowd .
<3 V+Eomar!
p.s. Latter statements go without saying...
p.p.s. I was (and remain) a Tyson fan. We happen to be the same age and from the same area (Brooklyn NY). I had better influences though  .
p.p.p.s. Thread simply proves that game design is best left to those who do it for a living (a la CCP). Simply delete the CSM-related area of the forums and return the CSM to providing nominal customer oversight over allegations of misconduct per the original intent. Said allegations being ancient history as far as customer churn in-game go anyway.
**EDIT**Thread also proves that Jade Constantine should return to running a virtual *****house where he/she can induldge in all the fantasy power trip games without disturbing the rest of us.
**EDIT**With regard to specific ship issues-If CCP desired intelligent player input towards balancing why not form a private consultation group of experienced and proven combat pilots (heck..chuck Chribba in there as well for the non-pew side) and solicit the opinions of them? Who would have a problem with Rells, Verone, Eddz, the dude with the glasses, Calmdown--basically the tourney commentating team with a couple of smart additions--in that sort of a non-public role?
Example-CCP wants to balance speed. They ask this theoretical private group for individual thoughts and use the feedback as a bit of guidance. It would work far better than the endless nerf/boost threads currently in the CSM areas.
-No more tail-chasing arguments.
-No more wasted bandwidth that usually turns into alt-post flames.
-CCP takes full responsibility.
-The few players involved get private satisfaction knowing they are helping make the game a better experience without having to deal with the public.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Who would have a problem with Rells, Verone, Eddz, the dude with the glasses, Calmdown--basically the tourney commentating team with a couple of smart additions--in that sort of a non-public role?
Probably the same people who don't like Rells, Verone, Eddz, the dude with the glasses, Calmdown, and etc. 
Like or dislike....they know the ships and how to fly them. And being a private consultation group you wouldn't know who they were anyway .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
**EDIT**With regard to specific ship issues-If CCP desired intelligent player input towards balancing why not form a private consultation group of experienced and proven combat pilots (heck..chuck Chribba in there as well for the non-pew side) and solicit the opinions of them? Who would have a problem with Rells, Verone, Eddz, the dude with the glasses, Calmdown--basically the tourney commentating team with a couple of smart additions--in that sort of a non-public role?
So basically you are for having the CSM election results declared void and having the CSM replaced by a group of your mates to become the unseen eve balancing Illuminati running things from behind the scenes? Are people supposed to vote for this or you just want to forget all that voting stuff and have your decision hold sway over everyone Rule?
Chribba=Illuminati  ?
Nerf the feared mining dread  .
Mr/Miss/Whatever Constantine...selective quoting and mis-reading/understanding my rather plain statements is doing you zero favors.
Illuminati eh? How exactly would CCP developing a bit of common sense and having a small pool of proven and experienced players as a private and realistic sounding board turn into a grand scheme of subversion and secret admission into the CCP "Order of the Holy Chamberpot-no guests allowed"?
CCP saw fit to select certain individuals to oversee and provide expert commentary for the alliance tourney. And given that they are all amateurs with nothing more than excellent knowledge of the game I thought they did a rather nice job (ok--could have lived without annoying hat dude and his evil cell-phone-to-ear "sekrit plans afoot" sidekick as guests ).
CCP seemed able to select those folks without resorting to silly campaigns. And strangely enough-you weren't picked.
And for the record:
Verone-yep...I would consider him a pal having flown for him under the Veto banner for over a year and met him IRL. And oh my does he ever know the game.
Rells-I took two of AU's classes when I was new to the game. He was the main FC both times and comparing what I saw then with what I know now-he knows his stuff. And hundreds of AU grads would agree.
Eddz-Don't know him personally. But his reputation, knowledge, and obvious love of the game came through loud and clear during the tourney.
Calmdown-Gee...he only runs SHC (where certain players have probably forgot more about the game than you will ever know).
And so on....is it sinking in now? It's not about elections or popularity contests. If CCP sees fit to include players as a sounding board/advisory panel then it should be done on the basis of ingame expertise. Period. No politics, hidden agendas, or self interest.
By all means keep the CSM if it keeps you quiet. And quiet is what you should be while seeing to the original mandate of oversight into potential interference in the game by other-than-players (polite way of saying dev/GM/whatever)...and insofar as CCP is willing to allow this.
And if that means draconian measures...well...I say long live the king!
p.s. The "glasses-wearing dude" I refer to was in the commentary box with Verone quite a bit. Dark hair, tall, and well-clued up. Apologies for not remembering the name.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 03/08/2008 14:46:31
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Where do you guys get off suggesting that an elected council should be replaced by a bunch of political appointees chosen by RuleofBone?
I said "selected by CCP". No politics. No bullshit. No spin.
The latter three happen to be exactly what YOU are made of.
**EDIT**Did you miss the part where I suggested Chribba?
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General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
So do you agree with the principle that the CSM should be disbanded and replaced by an unelected group of "super players" in charge of balancing chosen by the various outspoken luminaries of this thread out of interest?
Deliberate misquoting again Jade. You are getting repetitive and boring now.
"In charge"
"unelected"
"chosen by the various outspoken luminaries"
ad naseum
In original form this was "selected" and "CCP sounding board". Also "selected by CCP".
You may have a future in RL politics (if the fact you enjoy pretending to be some futuristic cyber-**** is overlooked by RL voters). But this is a game and I can freely call you out in that context....especially as an active player of said game .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Nope looks fine to me. I realize you are trying to back peddle wildly now but what you said on this thread stands on the record and just unleashing the veto forum hordes to change the subject won't really cut it.
1-Leave Veto out of it. That group of fine players has nothing to do with this.
2-My comments stand on the record without your intrusion and selective mis-quoting.
3-Unlike you-my message is loud, clear, and free of bullshit, politics, and spin. Readers of this thread can make their own decisions.
Don't like the heat? Tough *****.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 03/08/2008 16:55:39
Oho...what do we have here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832729
Tsk tsk.....
**EDIT**You'll need to do a bit better than that. But cheers for underlining your delusional self-importance and attempted suppression of alternate opinions.
Power corrupts-and apparently a little gold box labled [CSM]corrupts absolutely.
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General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
..... The CSM was supposed to distill public opinion and present the remaining 5% of good ideas to CCP.
Hilmar Petursson, CCPÆs chief executive, said in a telephone interview. ôEve Online is not a computer game. It is an emerging nation, and we have to address it like a nation being accused of corruption...
where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis"
From the NY Times. Just FYI.
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 20:04:00 -
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[ 2008.08.03 19:08:17 ] Darius JOHNSON > How many 0.0 sov contests have you been in ankh?
[ 2008.08.03 19:08:33 ] Bane Glorious > "It may only work half way, and halfway isn't all the way, but half of the way is still part of the way, and that's worth something"
[ 2008.08.03 19:08:52 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Remember I took a tour through 0.0 to ask dozens of people their opinions on that, Darius.
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:09 ] Ankhesentapemkah > So I got quite a good view what joe average in 0.0 thinks.
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:12 ] Darius JOHNSON > Man I wish I could do a survey and make sweeping statements about what is good or bad
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:31 ] Ankhesentapemkah > Well at least I talk to joe averages.
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:31 ] Darius JOHNSON > Fact: You have 0 experience
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:39 ] Bane Glorious > I don't mean to be rude, but a few hours (maybe?) in 0.0 is really not a comprehensive understanding
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:39 ] Darius JOHNSON > So don't tell me what's boring
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:44 ] Dierdra Vaal > guys, we are getting off track here...
[ 2008.08.03 19:09:57 ] Ankhesentapemkah > If 50 RANDOM people in game say so, who are you to question that?
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Yep....I for sure want she-whose-name-sounds-like-sneeze to be involved in anything to do with ship/game balancing.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I kinda agree tbh. I think it was pretty poor not even to issue a statement advising people to go on the test server. COP-OUT collectively. Still read the whole log and see what you think.
I read the whole log. I fixed a small bit of your comment for you.
Oh well...maybe I can play harmonica in EvE Ambulation. Maybe not given that I have had sound turned off in EvE for 18 months  .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.03 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I kinda agree tbh. I think it was pretty poor not even to issue a statement advising people to go on the test server. COP-OUT collectively. Still read the whole log and see what you think.
I read the whole log. I fixed a small bit of your comment for you.
First thing you and I agree on for a long time
Tossing out a one-liner in the way I chuck a scrap of fat to my dog in no way, shape, or form excuses you from the previous ten or so pages of pure distortion on your part.
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General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.05 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Miz Cenuij
The leaked thread showed them for the joke they are.
Linkage please.
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.05 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Edited by: Gone''Postal on 05/08/2008 08:37:27
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Miz Cenuij
The leaked thread showed them for the joke they are.
Linkage please.
Linkage
ty.
I lol'd.
And who is Hardin? Never mind...not important.
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RuleoftheBone
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Posted - 2008.08.05 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nuyan Zahedi
Why exactly did this topic actually get deleted?
It doesn't really add anything beyond illustrating various points made in this thread. I know I could care less what folks say in chat channels beyond "warp to me to kill xxxx" .
This particular thread is:
1-Ditch the CSM
2-Reasons for and alternate suggestions to the above.
3-Reasons against #1 and attempted squashing, distortion, and general political bullshit spouted by the current chairperson. Not to mention the expressed desire of said chairperson to meet various individuals IRL for unspecified reasons.
Good enough summary thus far?
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