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Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.02 00:31:00 - [1] top speeds with t2 and lvl 5: vaga - 3.2kms ishtar - 2kms sac - 2.1kms rapier - 2.2kms curse - 1.8kms crow and other ceptors - 5kish dictors - 3kms seriosly ccp WTF these ships are now useless!!! vaga is too slow in orbit to evade missile damage ishtar, sac, rapier, curse are all too slow to avoid any damage even in a straight line, so there seems no point in flying them when t1 bs's have better dps, tank, and are cheaper Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
Tarminic 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.02 00:47:00 - [2] Why don't you actually take one out for a spin on the test server? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3)
Rejit Arjs	Posted - 2008.08.02 01:18:00 - [3] Edited by: Rejit Arjs on 02/08/2008 01:23:29 TBH those speeds look very nice and NORMAL. Cause right now, yea how normal it is for a ship to outrun missiles. Yea of course perfectly normal... In a world so advanced, people cant build fast missiles but they can build fast ships.... Quote: ishtar, sac, rapier, curse are all too slow to avoid any damage even in a straight line, so there seems no point in flying them when t1 bs's have better dps, tank, and are cheaper welcome to the club where you cant be god by using speed. When flying a cerberus for example, or an eagle, or every single caldari ship..... Continue with the nerf CCP, looks great. EDIT: Btw all of you nanof@@@ u had your time, u had your fun now stop whining and start selling those faction mwd while its still time. This nanojoke lasted way too long. And that close range scrambler idea is great CCP, gj.
Crove Tupperware Party	Posted - 2008.08.02 01:27:00 - [4] Here's what I see: "WAAAA the only tactic that I have ever successfully used which relied on BREAKING the physics engine in a non-realistic way is getting corrected. Queue queue queue queue!" L2p pretty much. There were plenty of other tactics besides nano before it came along, there were plenty of non-nano tactics that were completely viable while everyone was nanoing up every ship under the sun, and there will be plenty long after this fad passes. Inveniam viam aut faciam
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.08.02 01:32:00 - [5] I still don't see cruise or torps hitting and damaging my vaga or stiletto. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
aak88 Caldari CORE Elements Tread Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.02 02:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Red Thunder top speeds with t2 and lvl 5: vaga - 3.2kms ishtar - 2kms sac - 2.1kms rapier - 2.2kms curse - 1.8kms crow and other ceptors - 5kish dictors - 3kms seriosly ccp WTF these ships are now useless!!! vaga is too slow in orbit to evade missile damage ishtar, sac, rapier, curse are all too slow to avoid any damage even in a straight line, so there seems no point in flying them when t1 bs's have better dps, tank, and are cheaper Um this is wrong. My Crow hits 8668 m/s on sisi.
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.02 03:47:00 - [7] QQ = eyes with tears falling from them.
Monticore D'Muertos Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.08.02 03:59:00 - [8] Edited by: Monticore D''Muertos on 02/08/2008 03:59:43 don;t forget the vaga has more mass than any hac, i think the speed nerf/web/mwd nerf is ok the scrambler change is abit much. no point in fitting a mwd on any cruiser sized ship. if the scram only turned off mwd but didnt point it might be passable.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.02 04:02:00 - [9] Minmatar ships need a serious mass reduction if things change to this. ---- GO BLUE!!
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.02 04:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Minmatar ships need a serious mass reduction if things change to this. Minmatar needs bonuses to lasers...

Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.02 04:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 02/08/2008 04:10:46 Originally by: Monticore D'Muertos no point in fitting a mwd on any cruiser sized ship This is rubbish, MWD on cruiser-sized ships is fine and well, and needed at times. Get on SISI and test it. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rumai Ning	Posted - 2008.08.02 06:06:00 - [12] YOUR NANO*** TEARS SUSTAIN ME.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.02 06:08:00 - [13] More surprisingly; dictors go 3km/sec? You must not be talking about my poor flycatcher
Ash Bringer	Posted - 2008.08.02 07:31:00 - [14] If u want to shrug of damage in orbit fly an interceptor... If u wanna kill your target fly a vaga. Why do u think we have 2 LSE??
Naviset	Posted - 2008.08.02 07:48:00 - [15] tbh the game will be a lot more boring now that all the hacs and recons are horribly cost inefficient again, like the old days :-P
zattariss	Posted - 2008.08.02 08:03:00 - [16] Luuuudicrous speed!
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2008.08.02 08:08:00 - [17] So the ships still can go fast, just not fast enough to guarantee you will come back home intact? Seems fine to me... Seriously, you nano*gots are starting to become slightly ridiculous. You can still go fast, you can still go past gatecamps, you can still bail out of fights gone bad. The only thing that changes is that you WILL occasionally take losses on the way. Which seems perfectly fine to me. Ever hear these mantras of 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose' or 'safer but not safe'? If you can't take losing ships because you suck at making iskies or epeen deflation physically hurts you, there are other games catering better to your risk-free ways of life Personally I believe that this might actually boost small gang combat (that is, relatively even fights, nanos were used 99% for killmail collecting, not for real fights) since people with conventional setups will be much more willing to engage intruders without having way superior numbers as they know they have a chance of catching at least one or two. Of course, the people only concerned with killmails and efficiency ratios (i.e. role model nano*s) won't care about this, but for those who enjoy the actual fight more than the killmail this can only be good. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.08.02 08:08:00 - [18] Edited by: The Djego on 02/08/2008 08:14:50 Originally by: Tarminic Why don't you actually take one out for a spin on the test server? This. Would be fare better for all the balancing if more people actualy go to the test server and test things instead of cry out loud. Don¦t try to Nano your Hac, fit for Tank, fit for Damage, test it, its actualy preaty nice for smaller ships that you can survive a bigger ship even in Web Range. Ishtar and Sacrilege, are as fare from useless now as a DD in 1000 Ship Fleet Battle. Actualy they whipe out even smaller ships and BS quite easy(a bit to easy in my Optinion). People only have to stop to the old 3x OD, 2x Interia, 2x Poly Mindset. Speedtanking on HACs fails now, Hacs in general don¦t, since bigger ships are fare less effective against smaller they even got a boost, same as AFs. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
goffer d Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.02 08:33:00 - [19] Originally by: zattariss Luuuudicrous speed!
RayBanJockey	Posted - 2008.08.02 08:37:00 - [20] I'm literally getting a warm tingly feeling down my spine reading this. Dare I hope to actually be able to enjoy the game again? Step one was getting rid of the ****ing NOS hysteria, now this, cmon cmon cmon almost there Too soon to tell for sure I guess, but things are certainly going in the right direction (sorry)

Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.08.02 09:32:00 - [21] Speed looks ok. If you were to complain new agility is unfun you might score some sympathy.
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.02 09:41:00 - [22] well looking at the voting now there is OVER 2 times more people against the nerf than for it hahhahhahahahahahhahaaha Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
Tao Han Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.02 09:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Red Thunder well looking at the voting now there is OVER 2 times more people against the nerf than for it hahhahhahahahahahhahaaha Loads of panicking sheep
Noisrevbus Caldari Breams Gone Wild	Posted - 2008.08.02 09:53:00 - [24] Edited by: Noisrevbus on 02/08/2008 09:53:20 A speedtank was supposed to mitigate damage, not avoid damage. Hopefully all related equations will be rebalanced to meet that ideal with this change. A speedtank should be a good defense against missiles, turrets and drones of the corresponding weapon size. A speedtank should not be a good defense against missiles, turrets and drones with specialized anti-speed mechanics. A speedtank should not be a good defense against missiles, turrets and drones that pertain to a smaller weapon size. Easy enough to correct and rebalance in my eyes.
ImUrDestiny Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.02 10:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Robert Rosenberg QQ = eyes with tears falling from them. Everybody knows that rosenberg, try and keep up, ok? To the OP: HA HA ****ing HAAAA!!!
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.08.02 11:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Red Thunder top speeds with t2 and lvl 5: vaga - 3.2kms ishtar - 2kms sac - 2.1kms rapier - 2.2kms curse - 1.8kms crow and other ceptors - 5kish dictors - 3kms seriosly ccp WTF these ships are now useless!!! vaga is too slow in orbit to evade missile damage ishtar, sac, rapier, curse are all too slow to avoid any damage even in a straight line, so there seems no point in flying them when t1 bs's have better dps, tank, and are cheaper Did it ever occur to you that evading damage is not supposed to happen? I think it is the pilots that will make these ships uselesss after the bug fixes. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Red zeon Caldari Shades Corp The OSS	Posted - 2008.08.02 11:23:00 - [27] what poll? link?
Red Thunder Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.02 11:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Red zeon what poll? link? go to the assembly hall and look for the biggest thread for the against topic Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2008.08.02 11:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Red Thunder Originally by: Red zeon what poll? link? go to the assembly hall and look for the biggest thread for the against topic I don't really know how good a reflection of public opinion these topics are, where the griefer alliances mobilize all their members and alts to post against it while the thread in favor of it only gets votes from passersbys... And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
Skallebank Minmatar Mentis Fidelis Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.08.02 11:52:00 - [30] no matter which side of the argument your on [and i see both sides and fly both nano ships and all the others] you surely must admit the amount of training spent on hacs and nav ect is now basicly useless. go ahead with you nerf ccp , but let me respend my skill points on something usefull . me ducks from the sacred nerfbat FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHATS THAT ?



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