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Orm Altgr	Posted - 2008.08.02 17:46:00 - [1] Hangar list was fun. So for another question like the Eve Guiness Record list; 1) what is the worst ship in Eve, meaning the most feared and respected one, and 2) which is the worst one, meaning bad perf, bad look, bad fittings, just worst bad ! By the way, have somebody thinking to make a record list ?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:17:00 - [2] 1) Curse? TBH there's not much that's scarier than a curse. Maybe a domi. 2) Naglfar? I'm going to get stoned to death for this one
Pavlinka Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:18:00 - [3] Originally by: AstroPhobic 1) Curse 2) Naglfar /agree Pavlinka & Pavlinecka
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:19:00 - [4] 1. I'm scared of Curses 2. Bantam? ----
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:24:00 - [5] 1) ham drake 2) tank drake
Falcon Troy Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:29:00 - [6] Edited by: Falcon Troy on 02/08/2008 18:30:02 1. Curse 2. Moa (For being ugly AND useless. There's no excuse for that!) _____________ Hai.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:30:00 - [7] "worst" lists are usually very biased based one's own experience. For instance, I'd argue that the Bellicose and Augoror are utterly useless... but I'm sure someone would counter with some use for either of them and claim that the Breacher or Condor is worst. The reality of the situation is that there are alot of marginalized ships due to the ship tier system. There are ships that used to be good but have been unintentionally marginalized due to indirect nerfs. My best and worst ships are (By ship class) Frigate: Kitsune (Best) / Retribution (Worst, 1 mid ffs?) Destroyer: Sabre (Best) / Coercer (Worst, 1 mid ffs?) Cruiser: Falcon (Best) / Augoror (Worst, omgwtffittings?) Battlecruiser: Damnation (Best, rawr gang mod hp!) / Prophecy (Worst) Battleship: Apoc (Best, 62km Scorch optimal!) / Tempest (Worst) Best Runners Up: Jaguar Heretic Sacrilege Absolution Scorpion Worst Runners Up: Dramiel (3 projectile bonuses for 2 slots is pure fail) Catalyst (2 mids makes blaster setups very poor) Bellicose (TP Effectiveness bonus is virtually useless by itself) Cyclone (Needs some CPU if it's supposed to fit a T2 tank) Bhaalgorn (Nos bonuses ftl.) Overall best ship: Falcon Overall worst ship: Augoror Best Specific Ship Class: Recon Worst Specific Ship Class: T1 destroyer (Slow, high sig radius) -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:48:00 - [8] I really have to agree that the Curse is a frightening ship, but personally, in face of both NOS and nano nerfs, and more such sure to be up and coming, I wouldn't bet on it remaining that way... Either way. The list that Liang made appeals to me, so here's my version: Frigate: Kitsune/Crusader (Best for gang or fleet/best for solo op) / Retribution (Worst; 1 midslot and largely useless for anything but lvl 1 missioning) Destroyer: Flycatcher (Best) / Coercer (Worst; 1 mid and horrible speed) Cruiser: Falcon/Pilgrim (Best for gang or fleet/best for solo op) / Bellicose (Worst; An EWAR ship that can't use EWAR? Pardon?) Battlecruiser: Damnation (Best; holy shit the tank! The tank!) / Prophecy (Worst; It's a flying, useless lump) Battleship: Redeemer (Best; Tachyon lazors out of nowhere! Help!) / Tempest (Worst; Artillery is recognized suck, and with autocannons it is too short-ranged, even with its speed)
Lex Alandar	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:48:00 - [9] #2 without a doubt goes to the navy exequror...overpriced (a navy comet is MUCH better) undergunned, and lacking any viable sort of setup. as for #1 I would have to say curse for smaller ships, and the moros for everything else.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren "worst" lists are usually very biased based one's own experience. For instance, I'd argue that the Bellicose and Augoror are utterly useless... but I'm sure someone would counter with some use for either of them and claim that the Breacher or Condor is worst. The reality of the situation is that there ae alot of marginalized ships due to the ship tier system. There are ships that used to be good but have been unintentionally marginalized due to indirect nerfs. My best and worst ships are (By ship class) Frigate: Kitsune (Best) / Retribution (Worst, 1 mid ffs?) Destroyer: Sabre (Best) / Coercer (Worst, 1 mid ffs?) Cruiser: Falcon (Best) / Augoror (Worst, omgwtffittings?) Battlecruiser: Damnation (Best, rawr gang mod hp!) / Prophecy (Worst) Battleship: Apoc (Best, 62km Scorch optimal!) / Tempest (Worst) Best Runners Up: Jaguar Heretic Sacrilege Absolution Scorpion Worst Runners Up: Dramiel (3 projectile bonuses for 2 slots is pure fail) Catalyst (2 mids makes blaster setups very poor) Bellicose (TP Effectiveness bonus is virtually useless by itself) Cyclone (Needs some CPU if it's supposed to fit a T2 tank) Bhaalgorn (Nos bonuses ftl.) Overall best ship: Falcon Overall worst ship: Augoror Best Specific Ship Class: Recon Worst Specific Ship Class: T1 destroyer (Slow, high sig radius) -Liang I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. I'll admit the bellicose is crappy from an EWAR type standpoint but at least it has decent damage for an ewar cruiser. It could have some uses when teamed with a Torp Raven. Still I admit there's better cruisers out there. Also you've never faced a well fit Aurogur have you? I don't fly the ship itself but i've gone up against them in my Rupture and they're a #@$# to kill. They don't do a lot of damage but it takes forever to kill with a 1600mm plate while they just slowly pelt away at your armor. The kitsune is the best frigate? It's too damn expensive for what you get. Some people argue for it, but i'll take a fully insurable blackbird over a kitsune any day. Kitsune just isn't worth the T2 pricetag for something so vulnerable. Then there's putting T2 ships even in the same league as T1? I'm sorry but i couldn't disagree with any more then I do. _______________ CCP Atropos > I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE	Posted - 2008.08.02 18:57:00 - [11] Go bellicose!
Pavlinka Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.02 19:09:00 - [12] Originally by: HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE Go bellicose! afk kill? Pavlinka & Pavlinecka
Kon Pepper	Posted - 2008.08.02 19:14:00 - [13] i usually gtfo when i see an astarte, but for caps id say a moros and the worst ship has to be the moa (useless)
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.02 19:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Kon Pepper i usually gtfo when i see an astarte, but for caps id say a moros and the worst ship has to be the moa (useless) Yeah, well you know that anyone who's in a blaster-fitted Gallente boat of that size or larger is most likely a gank-craving maniac... I am not entirely sure that I can agree on the Moa. It does seem to be rather redundant with that pricetag and that speed though. To me though, the Bellicose has always been the poorest choice, because it fails both fitting-wise and in having that damn target painter bonus... I swear, we need some new forms of EWAR so that Minmatar can get at least something on that front, even if they lack CPU.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.02 19:25:00 - [15] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 02/08/2008 19:25:37 1. Astarte or Sleipnir. After the speed changes Command Ships are going to be killing things left and right. Currently you don't really hear a lot about nano CS's, since they can't really catch nano HAC's. 2. Maller. Holy crap. The only ship in the game without any point defenses against smaller targets. Originally by: Falcon Troy 2. Moa (For being ugly AND useless. There's no excuse for that!) Nanofiber'd Target Jamming Moa with a 1600mm plate. Nobody expects it and you can cause about as much mayhem as a 1600mm plated Rupture if you pick your fights right.
xHalcyonx Amarr Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.02 19:26:00 - [16] Badass: Nightmare Lol: Pilgrim -------------------
Maeltstome Minmatar Suicidal Office Clerks	Posted - 2008.08.02 19:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Pavlinka Originally by: HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE Go bellicose! afk kill? Buffer tank slaves > all. If you think snakes are bad, guess whats getting nerfed next? ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Minsuki Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.08.02 19:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 02/08/2008 19:25:37 1. Astarte or Sleipnir. After the speed changes Command Ships are going to be killing things left and right. Currently you don't really hear a lot about nano CS's, since they can't really catch nano HAC's. 2. Maller. Holy crap. The only ship in the game without any point defenses against smaller targets. Originally by: Falcon Troy 2. Moa (For being ugly AND useless. There's no excuse for that!) Nanofiber'd Target Jamming Moa with a 1600mm plate. Nobody expects it and you can cause about as much mayhem as a 1600mm plated Rupture if you pick your fights right. LSE moa with ion blasters can be pretty nasty. Gonna agree with navy exequeror(...oror) as the worst ship. Worse then a thorax at 10x the price. Curse is still a pretty nasty ship to fight solo, no two ways about it. Wouldn't want to fight it in anything less than a ham drake or 1600 plated hurricane.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.08.02 20:46:00 - [19] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 02/08/2008 20:47:16 Originally by: Liang Nuren Bhaalgorn (Nos bonuses ftl.) -Liang The bonus also applies to Neuts, it can be very nasty. Just has some of the tightest fitting on any battleship, with chronic CPU problems. As for worst ship, none really. Everything has it's uses even if it's only to be cheap as chips so you can easily afford to throw it away. As for the Navy Exeq, a corpy of mine just got one and he's loving it. It's astoundingly agile and that double damage bonus isn't half bad either.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.02 21:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Meiyang Lee Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 02/08/2008 20:47:16 Originally by: Liang Nuren Bhaalgorn (Nos bonuses ftl.) -Liang The bonus also applies to Neuts, it can be very nasty. Just has some of the tightest fitting on any battleship, with chronic CPU problems. As for worst ship, none really. Everything has it's uses even if it's only to be cheap as chips so you can easily afford to throw it away. As for the Navy Exeq, a corpy of mine just got one and he's loving it. It's astoundingly agile and that double damage bonus isn't half bad either. Well, that may be. But it's still a damn pricey ship. Not to mention that unless you want to buy it auctioned, you have to sc**** together all that damn LP. That makes it effectively tedious and inferior to Gallente HACs.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.08.02 21:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Aleus Stygian Well, that may be. But it's still a damn pricey ship. Not to mention that unless you want to buy it auctioned, you have to sc**** together all that damn LP. That makes it effectively tedious and inferior to Gallente HACs. Never said it was cost effective (because it's not) but that doesn't mean it's a bad ship. If it's fun to fly it's no longer useless.
Aleus Stygian	Posted - 2008.08.02 21:44:00 - [22] Well, it doesn't have as many bonuses or as much use, and costs more. That sort of rules it out for both fleet action and when you want to go hunting solo, because it's too pricey an investment to throw out there...
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.02 22:35:00 - [23] Originally by: DubanFP I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more. I'll admit the bellicose is crappy from an EWAR type standpoint but at least it has decent damage for an ewar cruiser. It could have some uses when teamed with a Torp Raven. Still I admit there's better cruisers out there. See, my example of someone saying that the ship is not useless. Quote: Also you've never faced a well fit Aurogur have you? I don't fly the ship itself but i've gone up against them in my Rupture and they're a #@$# to kill. They don't do a lot of damage but it takes forever to kill with a 1600mm plate while they just slowly pelt away at your armor. Did you die or did he take forever to... die. And honestly, it also is ignoring its logistics bonus (which it cannot really effectively use). Quote: The kitsune is the best frigate? It's too damn expensive for what you get. Some people argue for it, but i'll take a fully insurable blackbird over a kitsune any day. I didn't say that the Kitsune was the best ewar platform, Duban. I said it was the best frigate. Quote: Then there's putting T2 ships even in the same league as T1? I'm sorry but i couldn't disagree with any more then I do. Ok, so suppose we do it your way: - Best/Worst Cruiser - Best/Worst Logistics - Best/Worst HAC ... Oh, but wait: we need a best/worst sniper hac and a best/worst ganker hac and a best/worst medium range hac and a best/worst nano hac and a... This leads us to the natural conclusion: it's far easier (and more informative) to merely lump all cruisers together. To go any further than this would be to break the game down by roles and have some pre-agreed upon discussion of which ships are useful at which roles, and then rank the ships based on their performance within their roles. So then we could have: - Best/Worst Close Range Ganker (Frigate, T1) - Best/Worst Close Range Ganker (Frigate, T2) - Best/Worst Medium Range Ganker (Frigate, T1) - Best/Worst Medium Range Ganker (Frigate, T2) - Best/Worst Long Range Ganker (Frigate, T1) - Best/Worst Long Range Ganker (Frigate, T2) - Best/Worst Damage Suppression (Frigate, T1) - Best/Worst Damage Suppression (Frigate, T2) ... (the list goes on, and on. Literally) Eh, I'll pass, especially for a thrown together "fun" thread. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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