Originally by: bloomich

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Edited by: bloomich on 04/08/2008 15:34:20
Because everybody remembers the huge losses they got from the last time they invaded delve and did exactly your tactic. Thousands of pos's were lost. Clonejumps and backup capital fleets means that nobody with a ounce of brain would dare invade solo in todays enviroment.

And thats the key issue, since to defeat bob requires people to be willing to lose caps to defend their pos's. And nobody wants to lose caps vs bob's fleet of dread lvl5 pilots, so putting up POS's is like throwing isk away.

The only chance is if everybody works together and invades delve together and fights constantly till the battle is over, accepting massive losses in the process.

However, 80% of industrial carebear alliances ASCN styled, which means they are basically glorified chatrooms and collection of isk farmer style corps who care for nothing bar their wallets. Most of these alliances are lead by incompetents who use the alliance as slave labour to buy/build themselves pretty toys. There are people in the NC who have over 400bil isk in their wallets. They will refuse to spend a single penny on their corp or alliance to fight in pvp. FOr them, all they want to do is run mining ops etc and keep the isk their members earn.

If you can get these isk farmer style players to actually start working like a alliance to build strong disposable capfleets like gbc's, then invasions make sense. But that involves leadership skills which most alliances lack.

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Originally by: Tassi

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Originally by: bloomich

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Edited by: bloomich on 04/08/2008 15:34:20
Because everybody remembers the huge losses they got from the last time they invaded delve and did exactly your tactic. Thousands of pos's were lost. Clonejumps and backup capital fleets means that nobody with a ounce of brain would dare invade solo in todays enviroment.

And thats the key issue, since to defeat bob requires people to be willing to lose caps to defend their pos's. And nobody wants to lose caps vs bob's fleet of dread lvl5 pilots, so putting up POS's is like throwing isk away.

The only chance is if everybody works together and invades delve together and fights constantly till the battle is over, accepting massive losses in the process.

However, 80% of industrial carebear alliances ASCN styled, which means they are basically glorified chatrooms and collection of isk farmer style corps who care for nothing bar their wallets. Most of these alliances are lead by incompetents who use the alliance as slave labour to buy/build themselves pretty toys. There are people in the NC who have over 400bil isk in their wallets. They will refuse to spend a single penny on their corp or alliance to fight in pvp. FOr them, all they want to do is run mining ops etc and keep the isk their members earn.

If you can get these isk farmer style players to actually start working like a alliance to build strong disposable capfleets like gbc's, then invasions make sense. But that involves leadership skills which most alliances lack.

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What the difference between isk lost while defending or while attacking?

I guess containing your enemy and map(territory) control does not ring a bell for you

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Originally by: bloomich

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Originally by: Tassi

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Originally by: bloomich

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Edited by: bloomich on 04/08/2008 15:34:20
Because everybody remembers the huge losses they got from the last time they invaded delve and did exactly your tactic. Thousands of pos's were lost. Clonejumps and backup capital fleets means that nobody with a ounce of brain would dare invade solo in todays enviroment.

And thats the key issue, since to defeat bob requires people to be willing to lose caps to defend their pos's. And nobody wants to lose caps vs bob's fleet of dread lvl5 pilots, so putting up POS's is like throwing isk away.

The only chance is if everybody works together and invades delve together and fights constantly till the battle is over, accepting massive losses in the process.

However, 80% of industrial carebear alliances ASCN styled, which means they are basically glorified chatrooms and collection of isk farmer style corps who care for nothing bar their wallets. Most of these alliances are lead by incompetents who use the alliance as slave labour to buy/build themselves pretty toys. There are people in the NC who have over 400bil isk in their wallets. They will refuse to spend a single penny on their corp or alliance to fight in pvp. FOr them, all they want to do is run mining ops etc and keep the isk their members earn.

If you can get these isk farmer style players to actually start working like a alliance to build strong disposable capfleets like gbc's, then invasions make sense. But that involves leadership skills which most alliances lack.

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What the difference between isk lost while defending or while attacking?

I guess containing your enemy and map(territory) control does not ring a bell for you

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So you are going to somehow contain gbc by dropping a few comedy pos in a NPC region like delve?

Or how about bringing a fleet to attack gbc pos in delve? Well, that would require people to risk capitals. And we go back to the same issues that NC have just now, which is that they are afraid to use caps vs gbc caps.

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Because it is impossible to take down a cynojammer with 4+ titans guarding it.

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Originally by: fairimear

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To be fair i don't understand why Delve is not crawling with RA and every corp that wants a bit of 0.0

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Originally by: fairimear

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It's like BOB said btw if u think you can take advantage of our absence we will come back instantly and wtfpwn u.
AND EVERY 1 BELIEVED THEM.

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Originally by: Vaustrien

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BOB has a big chunk of the market of people that don't need sleep and instead sit in titans round the clock

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Originally by: Vaustrien

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BOB has a big chunk of the market of people that don't need sleep and instead sit in titans round the clock a.k.a. koreans so yeah it can be rough sometimes. :(

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Originally by: Aales Eae

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Originally by: Vaustrien

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BOB has a big chunk of the market of people that don't need sleep and instead sit in titans round the clock

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Its called account sharing and its ok for BoB to do it

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Originally by: Aales Eae

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Originally by: Vaustrien

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BOB has a big chunk of the market of people that don't need sleep and instead sit in titans round the clock

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Its called account sharing and its ok for BoB to do it

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Originally by: Aales Eae

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Its called account sharing and its ok for BoB to do it

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Originally by: Prof Patpending

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Sharing is caring my friend. Which is why I routinely rob charity shops of their shoes.

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Originally by: Aales Eae

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Originally by: Vaustrien

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BOB has a big chunk of the market of people that don't need sleep and instead sit in titans round the clock

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Its called account sharing and its ok for BoB to do it

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Originally by: Rebellion

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If we didn't want people to try and attack Delve while we were away, we wouldn't have made such a big announcement about MAX.

We already saved everyone a lot of speculation by telegraphing our plans. The least people could do is to use the information shared as a chance for more fights.

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Originally by: fairimear

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To be fair i don't understand why Delve is not crawling with RA and every corp that wants a bit of 0.0

There are plenty of empty moons to put poses at.
And the region is full of NPC stations.

It's like BOB said btw if u think you can take advantage of our absence we will come back instantly and wtfpwn u.
AND EVERY 1 BELIEVED THEM.


Now yes bob would respond within 2-3 days to a large scale invasion. And no doubt clear it out.
But if 100 or so 20man pvp corps moved in all over delve and pb putting up 1-3 posses each.
A. it would be fairly unnoticed over a period of 1-2 weeks.
B. it would take bob ages to fight a guerrilla invasion on that scale.
c. It would be 300+ towers they would have to find and gank. many of them in pet systems.
D. each pet would want bob to clear their section of space first of the new invaders.

i am not saying this should or should not be done.
But i flew through 50 systems in delve, PB and querious today and ran into a total of 34 players. 17 of them nearly defiantly docked.
3 of em in hulks mining low ends in 0.0 with a single ishtar for cover.

Be in no doubt this is the weakest bob space has been at for years.

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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr

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Even our alt squad is better than you.

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Originally by: Vampyre Queen

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Edited by: Vampyre Queen on 03/08/2008 11:23:54
So when are people going to start taking all of bobs high end moons in their absence of delve and other regions they hold? anybody, anybody

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Originally by: enjoi

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Originally by: Darriele

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I think BOB and Happy Tree Friends just signed their own death sentince. That, my dear friends, is Maximum Damage

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Darriele
Minmatar
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate

I'm sure the alt squad alone can handle the likes of you.

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Originally by: Aimel

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Originally by: Aales Eae

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Its called account sharing and its ok for BoB to do it

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wat ?!

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Originally by: Tholarim

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Originally by: Aales Eae

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Originally by: Vaustrien

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BOB has a big chunk of the market of people that don't need sleep and instead sit in titans round the clock

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Its called account sharing and its ok for BoB to do it

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Paging Euro timezone Orange Species!

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Originally by: n0sPIG

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You are a genius.

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