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Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:05:00 - [31] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 03/08/2008 13:55:05 Originally by: Stab Wounds Can you point me to something you've written that is published that is better than this book? Yeah thought so. Always a fallacious argument in virtually any context. People don't have to be artists or writers to identify bad art or writing. Or rather, they don't have to be such in order to have an opinion that some art or book is bad. From the wording of his post he is giving statements about the book not an opinion. If i was giving my opinion i would of said something to the effect 'In my opinion the book is badly written' etc. not bold statements to be taken as fact like hall monitor did.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:07:00 - [32] Unfortunately hall monitor is suddenly absent from this thread. I still want specific examples of the shortfalls of this book.
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Unfortunately hall monitor is suddenly absent from this thread. I still want specific examples of the shortfalls of this book. No I'm not going to get specific. Also it is inherently obvious that my comments are just my opinion. I will say that like bad wine, poor writing is obvious but again; IMHO.
Streetrip FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:15:00 - [34] Edited by: Streetrip on 03/08/2008 14:14:59 I've read through the book twice and nothing short of pure win. Not afraid to step beyond any boundaries and is just pure masterful. This book should have come with a high age rating like for 18+ only, not because it's lewd in any way, but because if you're younger then you're going to go through life being continually disappointed by never reading anything that quite matches up to it. In itself another plus is because it's EVE based you can even play the universe it's in. As great as Heinlein was, that starship troopers game was an epic fail. (The book was a good read though)
Jamie Hara Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:17:00 - [35] Edited by: Jamie Hara on 03/08/2008 14:18:23 Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII From the wording of his post he is giving statements about the book not an opinion. If i was giving my opinion i would of said something to the effect 'In my opinion the book is badly written' etc. not bold statements to be taken as fact like hall monitor did. I question your reading comprehension. It's blatant that it's his opinion, it would be redundant to add 'I think' in front of every single subjective statement. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Streetrip Edited by: Streetrip on 03/08/2008 14:14:59 I've read through the book twice and nothing short of pure win. Not afraid to step beyond any boundaries and is just pure masterful. This book should have come with a high age rating like for 18+ only, not because it's lewd in any way, but because if you're younger then you're going to go through life being continually disappointed by never reading anything that quite matches up to it. In itself another plus is because it's EVE based you can even play the universe it's in. As great as Heinlein was, that starship troopers game was an epic fail. (The book was a good read though) OK. As a book specifically about a game I guess I must concede on that point. Perhaps I should have been more attentive to the type of book I was interested in. In no way do I wish to denigrate the intelligence of people who bought and read it and I could be completely wrong on all of my opinions. There does that satisfy those accusing me of trolling?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:20:00 - [37] hall monitor's post is horribly written. I mean I thought I was in for a real treat. Instead I got a post geared to maybe 3rd grade level. Poor writing skills. If there was no EVE, it would have had 0 readers. I'm being very honest about this. Read a good post like something by Tarminic...then read this garbage and you'll see. Thanks for hyping it up when in fact it's a horrible waste of time troll post. fixed -------- Ideas for: Mining Ships
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:21:00 - [38] Empyrean Age is not the best-written scifi novel I've ever encountered, granted - that honour goes to Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" - but I still think it's pretty good. You want BAD scifi writing, go check out "The Ship who Sang" - great setting, but the writing quality of the book was terrible, and only picked up later in the series when McCaffrey finally started bringing in co-authors. Or the "Split Infinity" series by Piers Anthony. Personally, I rate Empyrean Age alongside Kevin J. Anderson's "The Saga of the Seven Suns" for writing quality, or the "Last Chancers" trilogy by Gav Thorpe. Not on top of the heap by any stretch of the imagination, but well above halfway up and a long, LONG way from being at the bottom. I certainly enjoyed reading it through twice, and when the person I loaned it to finally gives it back to me, I'll read it again. I don't do that to bad books. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Stitcher Empyrean Age is not the best-written scifi novel I've ever encountered, granted - that honour goes to Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" - but I still think it's pretty good. You want BAD scifi writing, go check out "The Ship who Sang" - great setting, but the writing quality of the book was terrible, and only picked up later in the series when McCaffrey finally started bringing in co-authors. Or the "Split Infinity" series by Piers Anthony. Personally, I rate Empyrean Age alongside Kevin J. Anderson's "The Saga of the Seven Suns" for writing quality, or the "Last Chancers" trilogy by Gav Thorpe. Not on top of the heap by any stretch of the imagination, but well above halfway up and a long, LONG way from being at the bottom. I certainly enjoyed reading it through twice, and when the person I loaned it to finally gives it back to me, I'll read it again. I don't do that to bad books. Fair post and agree.
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:24:00 - [40] I suppose only published authors can critique the book, but any random Joe can come along and praise it? Please. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Arcon Telf Gallente Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:30:00 - [41] hall monitor's previous posts 'nough said? I am so sick of this twit mucking up our forums...
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar Invicta.	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:37:00 - [42] Originally by: Stitcher Personally, I rate Empyrean Age alongside Kevin J. Anderson's "The Saga of the Seven Suns" for writing quality Oh god. Well I'm glad my glance at it in Borders proved accurate then, and I didn't buy it. _
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:31:00 - [43] Originally by: hall monitor Why is an honest critique; trolling? Just because we disagree does not mean I'm trolling. Maybe you should elaborate where the books lacks in your opinion? Just saying 'it is crap' is certainly not good enough. Point out where and what. This would be critique - everything else is trolling.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:31:00 - [44] Originally by: hall monitor Why is an honest critique; trolling? Just because we disagree does not mean I'm trolling. No, it's because what you're doing isn't critique – it's just bashing. You offer no explanation for your statements; no examples to support your position; no arguments for your opinion. You don't provide any counter-examles to show where the author goes wrong and how it could have been done better. You don't situate the work in its genre. There is no mention of theme, plot, character, context, discourse, or narrative. Your (unsupported) claims deal with the editorial and commercial aspects of publishing rather than the work itself. At best, you're grading a shopping experience as if you're filling out a very brief multiple-choice customer satisfaction survey, but even then, your feedback lacks detail to the point of being useless. In short, you're not doing what you set out to do — the content doesn't match the title. Quote: No I'm not going to get specific. Also it is inherently obvious that my comments are just my opinion. I will say that like bad wine, poor writing is obvious but again; IMHO. <yoda>And that is why you failed.</yoda>
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 03/08/2008 13:55:05 Originally by: Stab Wounds Can you point me to something you've written that is published that is better than this book? Yeah thought so. Always a fallacious argument in virtually any context. People don't have to be artists or writers to identify bad art or writing. Or rather, they don't have to be such in order to have an opinion that some art or book is bad. From the wording of his post he is giving statements about the book not an opinion. If i was giving my opinion i would of said something to the effect 'In my opinion the book is badly written' etc. not bold statements to be taken as fact like hall monitor did. Havent read the book and probably never will, but you can identify bad writing without having to go into personal opinions. Vote against the nano nerf!
Aslann Gallente Win and God	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Roc Wieler But as I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even is its wrong ______________________
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:53:00 - [47] well I liked the book now I'm just waiting for the movie. Join The Fight With Promo Today View The North Star!
Brugar	Posted - 2008.08.03 15:54:00 - [48] Originally by: hall monitor Edited by: hall monitor on 03/08/2008 14:29:06 Edited by: hall monitor on 03/08/2008 13:14:48 I mean I thought I was in for a real treat. Instead I got a book geared to maybe 8th grade level. Poor writing skills. If there was no EVE, it would have sold 0 copies. I'm being very honest about this. Read a good SciFi book like something by Heinlein...then read this garbage and you'll see. Thanks for hyping it up when in fact it's a horrible waste of time kiddie book. You're insane. It is one of the best books I have read. /salutes Tony Gonzales

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