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Uilliam Nebel Amarr 13th Udorian Rangers	Posted - 2008.08.03 16:09:00 - [1] I just wanted to know if any capsuleers were part of, or know the clan of those two boys who damaged their eyes? News Story I'd like to help them, and their families if I could. So please let me and others know where we might send donations to. Thank you. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.03 16:13:00 - [2] I will be happy to receive your donations and put them to better use. San Matari Official forums
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.08.03 16:27:00 - [3] The boys were Brutor, attempting to emulate a feature a select few Brutor (known as "Defiants") have. The Minmatar cling to signs of their suffering under our rule as symbols of resistance instead of submission as all slaves should.
Uilliam Nebel Amarr 13th Udorian Rangers	Posted - 2008.08.03 16:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Avel Kereka The boys were Brutor, attempting to emulate a feature a select few Brutor (known as "Defiants") have. The Minmatar cling to signs of their suffering under our rule as symbols of resistance instead of submission as all slaves should. And I am sure that is how it will continue to be played out in the media. But at a more simple level, they are kids. Two boys with a history of mental conditions whom did an incredibly irrational thing with no thought for the consequences. If they were clinging to some sign of suffering, I believe they got a good deal more then they planned for now. But more then likely, I'd say this could have less to do with emulating the eyes of a Defiant, then it is simply a couple of troubled youths acting out because of their own problems. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Kathryn Dougans Amarr B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:19:00 - [5] Hmm, what an unfortunate incident. How do you know they are boys though? The news makes no mention, referring to them as "youths" or "teens". The expense of treatment may be significant to their families, but to capsuleers, it will be trivial at the most. I'd help, but given my heritage, and the current political situation, I'm concerned that any assistance I offered may be refused, under pressure from the extremists. I hope these teens don't become a political football.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans I hope these teens don't become a political football. You hope against hope. I would like to make a contribution, should details on how to forward donations be released.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Uilliam Nebel And I am sure that is how it will continue to be played out in the media. But at a more simple level, they are kids. Two boys with a history of mental conditions whom did an incredibly irrational thing with no thought for the consequences. I'm afraid there was no mention of previous mental conditions, and even if there was I'm sure a Republic that can raise a fleet to slaughter thousands of Amarrians can afford simple surgery on two citizens. An Amarrian giving money to these fools is akin to a Minmatar charity drive for an Ardishapur's artifical hand.
Marcus Baviasi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:50:00 - [8] There is a tragedy here to be sure. They are two more victims of the madness that has infected the Minmatar.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:23:00 - [9] You vultures. You make me physically sick. You are all that is wrong with the Amarr - your false sympathy, your condescending nature - you are all the reasons the Amarr Empire is so hated, and all the reasons why it has to burn. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Uilliam Nebel Amarr 13th Udorian Rangers	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Avel Kereka I'm afraid there was no mention of previous mental conditions.. Well, no 'official' mention. But in the news item it does state, 'medical histories for both teens (obtained through undisclosed sources) indicate a long-standing pattern of mental imbalance and self-inflicted injury.' As for your other points. Why, if the reclaiming is an effort to bring people into the fold of the faith first and foremost, is a compassionate effort to show care and well being for those we'd look to bring to salvation so irrational? I think this is a symptom of an underlying sickness in the Amarr Empire. Where greed for profit, and gathering of slaves, has come to matter more then any missionary efforts or the tenants of the faith. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Uilliam Nebel Amarr 13th Udorian Rangers	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris You vultures. You make me physically sick. You are all that is wrong with the Amarr - your false sympathy, your condescending nature - you are all the reasons the Amarr Empire is so hated, and all the reasons why it has to burn. I'd try and have a rational conversation with you, but I'd wager from the xenophobic ranting above that you simply are not unable to do so at this time. All I can say is, it is a truly diseased mind that believes it can know for certainty what another human being they have never met feels or does based simply on their race. And I hope you get treatment for this condition, because you clearly are losing grip on reality with your paranoid hatred of the Amarr, and your continual homicidal rantings of genocide. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Uilliam Nebel As for your other points. Why, if the reclaiming is an effort to bring people into the fold of the faith first and foremost, is a compassionate effort to show care and well being for those we'd look to bring to salvation so irrational? I think this is a symptom of an underlying sickness in the Amarr Empire. Where greed for profit, and gathering of slaves, has come to matter more then any missionary efforts or the tenants of the faith. Those teenagers idolize a blind heretic who is responsible for the deaths of God's children. Amarrians know better than to nurse vipers back to health--if they were reclaimed first, then the possibility might exist provided their holder was particularly merciful.
Uilliam Nebel Amarr 13th Udorian Rangers	Posted - 2008.08.03 20:18:00 - [13] Edited by: Uilliam Nebel on 03/08/2008 20:18:53 Originally by: Avel Kereka Those teenagers idolize a blind heretic who is responsible for the deaths of God's children. Yes, in their minds they may be looking up to someone whom they think has done something positive, or at least that is the excuse for this tragic act. However, if it is because they know no better, yet we do, who fails God more? The irrational mind whom in ignorrance works against his law, or the faithful who quits because they would rather toss aside what they know and join in the ignorance? Originally by: Avel Kereka Amarrians know better than to nurse vipers back to health--if they were reclaimed first, then the possibility might exist provided their holder was particularly merciful. And if we were talking about snakes, whom by their nature do such things then it would be that simple. However we are talking about human beings, two in particular who have a history of mental problems. We don't put down people whom are mentally ill, we care for them, and help them to receive what help through medical means can be given and lend the support of our faith to nurture them spiritually. If the Reclaiming is indeed an effort to bring all to God's fold, then we should always look to give our mercy on his behalf, as he has done us. / "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do." - Confucius, Chinese philosopher & reformer (551 BC - 479 BC.)
Bob Stuart D. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.08.03 21:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Kathryn Dougans I hope these teens don't become a political football. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris You vultures. You make me physically sick. You are all that is wrong with the Amarr - your false sympathy, your condescending nature - you are all the reasons the Amarr Empire is so hated, and all the reasons why it has to burn. And Andreus has the ball, he's dribbling up the park, he's past the defenders, he shoots, ITS A GOAL!!! Probably an own goal, though. Well done. Such is life, Kathryn. Despite all the humanitarian things you've done, your face simply isn't acceptable to some. They're going to refuse any assistance from you, and let these people suffer, just because they can.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.08.03 23:17:00 - [15] Bah, all this talk of "mental illness" is rediculious. With all due sympathy, they're teenagers. In every world, every day, there are stories of teens whose enthuiasam, idolitry and sometimes rebelliousness outstrips their limited wisdom, to the point where they sometimes end up engaging in a destructive or self destructive activity. Pop stars, older peers, priests and deacons, rebels and rabble rousers, sex, drugs, music, games, you name it. This particular one is only being sensationalized now because of its political nature. Meanwhile, time will tell what sort of leader Shakor will be and whether his elevated status on the galactic stage will bode for good or ill.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.03 23:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Karanth on 03/08/2008 23:58:45 What the hell makes these two morons any more special and deserving of news space than any other teenager engaging in reckless and suicidal activities? The only thing they deserve is scorn for being failures at simple biology, and a public naming and shaming. Millions die across the cluster that might be more deserving of our notice, but instead we get these examples of what happens when one is so far into the shallow end of the gene pool, they might as well just stand on the deck and urinate in. EDIT: Clarity. If these youths are reading (snicker), wouldn't want them getting confused. Warp Speed skill needed!
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.08.03 23:58:00 - [17] ... you know, as tempting as it is to just sneer at their idiocy, I can't help but remember the reason I have a dermal plate on my face, even thirty-one years and six clones after it was first installed. It's a little reminder of my own moment of youthful stupidity. Here's hoping they're smart enough to learn from their mistake. I'll donate something, if only to help ensure that they get the chance to learn. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.08.04 00:00:00 - [18] Stupid Teens. Clearly not thinking ahead there. Blindness is only respected by the Brutor if it is a natural loss of sight, AND THEN that person refuses to have it corrected. It takes bravery to accept a natural defect and accept yourself for who you are, not who you want to be.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.08.04 00:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Stitcher ... you know, as tempting as it is to just sneer at their idiocy, I can't help but remember the reason I have a dermal plate on my face, even thirty-one years and six clones after it was first installed. It's a little reminder of my own moment of youthful stupidity. Here's hoping they're smart enough to learn from their mistake. Hear hear. I was hardly what you'd call a wild child, but I was their age not all that long ago.
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.04 05:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Karanth Edited by: Karanth on 03/08/2008 23:58:45 What the hell makes these two morons any more special and deserving of news space than any other teenager engaging in reckless and suicidal activities? The only thing they deserve is scorn for being failures at simple biology, and a public naming and shaming. Millions die across the cluster that might be more deserving of our notice, but instead we get these examples of what happens when one is so far into the shallow end of the gene pool, they might as well just stand on the deck and urinate in. EDIT: Clarity. If these youths are reading (snicker), wouldn't want them getting confused. Dang. What would we do without the peace-loving and tolerant Gallente? Every time you open your mouth, I remember why we seceded. That said, where can I send my donation? A million ISK should be plenty, many times over. -------- Where I got my great sig...
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.08.04 09:25:00 - [21] If the clan of these kinda will contact me I will despatch a medical team. Perhaps once they are healed they should consider a term of service in the Republic Fleet. There they may learn to value their lives and those of their kin. The Defiants suffer from blindness due to the horrendous experiments the Amarr carried out on their ancestors in the Human Endurance Program. When a Defiant declines the treatment to restore his or her sight it is a personal choice and one that garners respect whether they wish it or not. It fills me with joy to hear that our next generation of warriors hold such a noble man as Shakor in the esteem he so rightly deserves. The example set by these ill and disturbed children is a poor one and I hope an isolated case. Part of me would see them remain blind as an example, to squander your health when you have the privilidge to be born free and whole is wrong. But they may instead be honoured as Defiants by the unwitting and they do not deserve that. I offer the aid needed to heal this pair but only once. If they wish to do honour to our living ancestors and earn honour for themselves then the scars they carry must be gained in battle as Matari warriors. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.04 10:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Karanth Edited by: Karanth on 03/08/2008 23:58:45 What the hell makes these two morons any more special and deserving of news space than any other teenager engaging in reckless and suicidal activities? The only thing they deserve is scorn for being failures at simple biology, and a public naming and shaming. Millions die across the cluster that might be more deserving of our notice, but instead we get these examples of what happens when one is so far into the shallow end of the gene pool, they might as well just stand on the deck and urinate in. EDIT: Clarity. If these youths are reading (snicker), wouldn't want them getting confused. Dang. What would we do without the peace-loving and tolerant Gallente? Every time you open your mouth, I remember why we seceded. That said, where can I send my donation? A million ISK should be plenty, many times over. I'm sorry, I can't recall exactly why being fundamentally ******ed deserves any sort of compassion from myself. There were much simpler methods available to achieve their goal, and yet, they decided that industrial strength dyes were the absolute best thing to use on their eyes. And seriously. A huge outpouring of support for these nimrods will only result in even more cases of people showing us just how much of a failure at life they are. I for one am sick and tired of having to waste news space on hearing about how someone got caught being molested by their slaver hound at a sporting event or how someone decided that hopping into the Veldspar processing unit to see if there was candy inside. The best way to fight stupid for pod pilots is to kill it. Works even better for everyone else, too, as cloning just isn't there to let them act even stupider in future. Warp Speed skill needed!
Arial Rakon Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.04 10:35:00 - [23] Send these Brutor to me. I shall make sure the effect is permanent.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.08.04 12:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Karanth I'm sorry, I can't recall exactly why being fundamentally *****ed deserves any sort of compassion from myself. That's a very Caldari* attitude you have there. Regardless, Karanth does have a point, here: the procedure for that kind of cellular regeneration only costs about 1.5million ISK. If too many of us donate, then these kids will wind up becoming millionaires off the back of their own idiocy, which might encourage copycats. If we're going to donate, we need to be sure that we donate just enough to cover the medical fees and no more than that. We're giving them a chance to learn, not to profit. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Zekarus Caldari MAIDS	Posted - 2008.08.04 14:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Stitcher That's a very Caldari attitude you have there. Regardless, Karanth does have a point, here: the procedure for that kind of cellular regeneration only costs about 1.5million ISK. If too many of us donate, then these kids will wind up becoming millionaires off the back of their own idiocy, which might encourage copycats. If we're going to donate, we need to be sure that we donate just enough to cover the medical fees and no more than that. We're giving them a chance to learn, not to profit. The ones bearing the burden, financial and social, are their families, the ones who raised them. Let the money go to their families. They shall decide what to do with rest of them should they exceed the medical bill. Personally, I'm hoping for something along the lines of being shipped off to some military academy. Those instructors sure know how to drill things into your head. ----------------- MAIDS. Now with black, frilly uniforms.
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2008.08.04 14:24:00 - [26] I would like to donate a lifetime supply of Vitoc to the slavekin. This way they can become valuable and happy members of society.
Odre Echee Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.08.04 14:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Cpt Constantinus I would like to donate a lifetime supply of Vitoc to the slavekin. This way they can become valuable and happy members of society. I would prefer ejecting those idiots in a jettison tube with... say... a few dozen prisoners with enough soaps to clean themselves. If you know what I mean. I don't really think those bulbs inside their head are bright enough to be 'valuable and happy members' of society you see. ------------------- Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon is recruiting! Take no substitute when it comes to alt-corp
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2008.08.04 15:02:00 - [28] Everyone is happy when he works for me ( free Vitoc \o/ ) and even the dumbest Brutor can be valuable...in some way.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.04 15:07:00 - [29] I have mixed feelings over this. On the one hand, blind dogs are easier to capture, but on the other hand, they're less useful once they've been brought to heel. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.08.04 15:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Karanth I'm sorry, I can't recall exactly why being fundamentally *****ed deserves any sort of compassion from myself. That's a very Caldari* attitude you have there. Regardless, Karanth does have a point, here: the procedure for that kind of cellular regeneration only costs about 1.5million ISK. If too many of us donate, then these kids will wind up becoming millionaires off the back of their own idiocy, which might encourage copycats. If we're going to donate, we need to be sure that we donate just enough to cover the medical fees and no more than that. We're giving them a chance to learn, not to profit. I like the way you put that first part. Whether or not the attitude is stereotypical of one race or another, it is still correct. If those wayward fools wanted to, say, sign binding work contracts to cover the value of their treatment, then that would be a different matter. But charity here, for self-inflicted blindness? Absolutely not. Warp Speed skill needed!

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